[EmperorIS]

Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Loses Contact' (http://news.sky.com/story/1222674/malaysia-airlines-plane-loses-contact)

on its way to Beijing, never made contact with Beijing airspace.



awww fuck did I really just write "love" on the thread title.....

[RS_Pat]

Hoping all will turn out well. Strange it has gone this long with no substantial news.

[rsx]

I doubt it's hijacking or terrorism, with a catastrophic communication failure, it most likely went down =(

Tragic.

[EmperorIS]

last reported contact at 35,000 feet... it is likely it blew up in mid air....

[rsx]

Could we change the title?

[noclue]

last reported contact at 35,000 feet... it is likely it blew up in mid air....

and if it was a terrorist explosive in the luggage hold + Malaysia is a muslim nation... guess what American media is going to say?

[scottsman]

Reports are that they lost contact when passing through Vietnam. Unless it happened in a very remote area, chances are someone would have reported seeing debris and fire falling if it blew up mid air.

[EmperorIS]

According to the Vietnamese media, search & rescue crews have detected signals from the plane 120 nautical miles southwest of Cà Mau Province.

[JSALES]

this is crazy

[RS_Pat]

Unlikely it would still be in the air now no? Would it have run out of fuel already?

[meme405]

If the OP goes into "advanced" mode when editing the original post he should be able to edit the title...

[JesseBlue]

And imona be riding this airline in the next two weeks...dun dun duuuunnnnn...
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[shawnly1000]

Malaysia Airlines Plane, Flight MH370, Loses Contact With Air Traffic Control (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/malaysian-airlines-plane-_n_4922705.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067)

The passengers were comprised of 14 different nationalities, and 2 were infants.

Malaysia Airlines posted the following pilot information on their Facebook page:

The flight was piloted by Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a Malaysian aged 53. He has a total flying hours of 18,365 hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981.

First officer, Fariq Ab.Hamid, a Malaysian, is aged 27. He has a total flying hours of 2,763 hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 2007.

[EmperorIS]

Unlikely it would still be in the air now no? Would it have run out of fuel already?

Fuel ran out 2 hours ago.

[EmperorIS]

Vietnam maritime search and rescue director says information on local media about a signal from the missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing B777-200 aircraft is 'inaccurate' - @Reuters

Just when you thought there was a little hope....

[HonestTea]

This is so eerie.. a plane suddenly loses contact and goes missing.

[v_tec]

Got to love this thread's title

Malaysian Airline loves contact with passenger airline

[v_tec]

NBC just posted a timeline of events:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...nes-jet-n47641

A Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 239 people lost contact with air traffic control and was still missing hours after it had been scheduled to land in Beijing. Here is a timeline:

12:41 a.m. -- The Boeing 777-200 -- carrying 227 passengers from 14 countries along with 12 crew members -- took off from Kuala Lumpur.

2:40 a.m. -- Air traffic control in Subang, a suburb of Kuala Lumpur, lost contact with the plane. The airline has not said where the aircraft was at that time.

6:30 a.m. -- The flight was scheduled to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m.

7:24 a.m. -- Malaysia Airlines announced it had lost contact five hours earlier with the flight.

11:14 a.m. -- Malaysia Airlines held a news conference confirming the loss of contact with its aircraft. Four Americans, including an infant, were aboard, a spokesman said. "Our focus now is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize its full support," he added. Most of the passengers — 153, including one of the infants — were Chinese, the airline said Saturday. The other infant was an American, one of four on the plane. Thirty-eight people were from Malaysia, and 12 were from Indonesia.

(All times are local, Eastern Standard Time plus 13 hours.)

[Manic!]

And whats on CNN right now? Something about the Redsox baseball team. CNN is not the place to go for breaking news anymore.

[dangonay]

And whats on CNN right now? Something about the Redsox baseball team. CNN is not the place to go for breaking news anymore.
Just went to cnn.com, main article on the top was about the missing plane.

[Teriyaki]

And whats on CNN right now? Something about the Redsox baseball team. CNN is not the place to go for breaking news anymore.

Only if it is relevent to the good ol u s of a.

By the way, super fail thread title.:failed:

[twitchyzero]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O_xRU8SoBXk/UXuSJQM6oAI/AAAAAAAALdA/JcqtXPQZItU/s1600/we-have-to-go-back.gif

[shawnly1000]

@YahooSG: Vietnam media now reporting their navy has confirmed that #MalaysiaAirlines flight #MH370 crashed into the ocean

[v_tec]

Fucking reporters, can you leave those that are affected alone :fulloffuck:

Malaysia Airlines loses contact with Flight MH370 carrying 239 people ? including two Canadians ? from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/07/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-flight-mh370-carrying-239-people-from-kuala-lumpur-to-beijing/)


http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/malaysia-family2.jpg?w=620
http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/malaysia-family1.jpg?w=620&h=464

[EmperorIS]

UPDATE [12:37]: Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean. According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.

[shawnly1000]

And whats on CNN right now? Something about the Redsox baseball team. CNN is not the place to go for breaking news anymore.

In their perspective, as cynical/"bad" as it sounds, it probably won't garner viewers; it's 12AM EST, 9PM PST in the US

[multicartual]

and if it was a terrorist explosive in the luggage hold + Malaysia is a muslim nation... guess what American media is going to say?


LiveLeak.com - GRAPHIC(21+): Syria: A leaked video shows Isis terrorists carrying on a mass execution including children

[HonestTea]

@YahooSG: Vietnam media now reporting their navy has confirmed that #MalaysiaAirlines flight #MH370 crashed into the ocean

UPDATE [12:37]: Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean. According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.

Tragic :(

[EmperorIS]

Would be insane if the Vietnamese Navy mistakenly shot it down and didn't report it until now.

[JSALES]

very tragic news, I wonder what could have happened

[shawnly1000]

Would be insane if the Vietnamese Navy mistakenly shot it down and didn't report it until now.

LOL; what are the chances...quite the speculation

[twitchyzero]

disappearing from the radar then ending up at sea...sounds a lot like China Airlines 611 TPE to HKG in 2002 which was the last 747 to cause passenger casualties

[GotRice?]

Would be insane if the Vietnamese Navy mistakenly shot it down and didn't report it until now.

early this week... China Southern Airlines Jet In Near Miss With North Korean Missile - TIME (http://time.com/13599/chinese-passenger-plane-near-hit-north-korean-missile/)

[Gnomes]

Sad and tragic. Hope they find that black box and find the cause (and prevent this happening in future)

[kkthind]

http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/3218146.jpg

[EmperorIS]

http://i.imgur.com/D7hGHwn.jpg

[Gh0stRider]

Altogether, 239 passengers & crew, from 14 different nationalities, including two infants. Passengers were from:
1. China - 152 plus 1 infant
2. Malaysia - 38
3. Indonesia - 12
4. Australia - 7
5. France - 3
6. United States of America - 3 plus 1 infant
7. New Zealand - 2
8. Ukraine - 2
9. Canada - 2
10. Russia - 1
11. Italy - 1
12. Taiwan - 1
13. Netherlands - 1
14. Austria - 1

[mb_]

Holy fuck!!!!!!


Here's to hoping that there are at least survivors :/

[EmperorIS]

Holy fuck!!!!!!


Here's to hoping that there are at least survivors :/

There is no confirmation of deaths or location of the aircraft yet

[maxxxboost]

nvm.

[jepho]

RIP.

Must have been something catastrophic and fast, for the pilots not to radio in any issues.
So weird, I was just watching the show "Mayday" and was thinking how horrible it would be to go though something like this...Then I hear this news :(

[yray]

^Because they were likely out of VHF contact, communication would've been done via sat link.

[Roach]

RIP.

Situations like this remind me that I will never know how or when I'm going to go. Will be hugging my loved ones tight tomorrow. Gotta cherish the good times.

Kev

[rsx]

Good job, mod for changing title.

so tragic.

[meme405]

Good job, mod for changing title.

Mods aren't needed to change thread titles in this forum...The OP did so...

Tragic indeed however, i guess the chance of finding survivors is thing. RIP...

[Manic!]

Just went to cnn.com, main article on the top was about the missing plane.

I'm talking about the channel. It use to be the place for breaking news.

[v_tec]

Update from Malaysian Local News:
"Next of kin requested to be at airport at 6pm today, says brother of passenger"

Missing MAS flight: Next of kin requested to be at airport at 6pm today, says brother of passenger - Nation | The Star Online (http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/08/Missing-MAS-flight-Next-of-kin-asked-to-be-at-airport-at-6pm-today-says-brother-of-passenger/)
#PrayForMH370: Elderly lady weeps for missing daughter-in-law (http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html)

Prayer to all passengers and their family

[PLUJ]

Such sad news, can't imagine what the families are going through right now.

[moldex]

How is Malaysian airlines past safety record? Aren't they associated with japan airlines?

[v_tec]

Official Press Release from MAS Website:

Saturday, March 08, 04:20 PM MYT +0800 Media Statement - MH370 Incident released at 4.20pm

Sepang, 8 March 2014: Malaysia Airlines is still unable to establish any contact or determine the whereabouts of flight MH370. Earlier today, Subang ATC had lost contact with the aircraft at 2.40am. The last known position of MH370 before it disappeared off the radar was 065515 North (longitude) and 1033443 East (latitude).

We are still trying to locate the current location of the flight based on the last known position of the aircraft. We are working with the International search and rescue teams in trying to locate the aircraft. So far, we have not received any emergency signals or distress messages from MH370. We are working with authorities and assure that all sources are deployed to assist with the search and rescue mission.

The passenger manifest will not be released until all families of the passengers have been informed. The flight was carrying a total number of 239 passengers and crew – comprising 227 passengers (including 2 infants) and 12 crew members.

We are deploying our “Go Team” to Beijing which will depart Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 4.30pm with a team of caregivers and volunteers to assist the family members of the passengers.

The passengers are of 14 different nationalities. All crew on-board are Malaysians.

Our focus now is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize our full support.

Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members.

The public may contact +603 7884 1234.

For media queries, kindly contact +603 8777 5698/ +603 8787 1276.

The airline will provide regular updates on the situation. There are many unvalidated reports out in the media and Malaysia Airlines strongly urges the media and the public at large to only report from official statements from Malaysia Airlines and the Government of Malaysia.

[ae101]

my dad has a malay friend that works in bejing, he goes back to Malaysia every 4 months to report to the company (he does want pay outsiders tax for working in china as i heard) & he was suppose to come back this month.around this time

we hope its not him
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[nabs]

This is really sad news :( my heart hurt when I heard about this.

My prayers for the family members of everyone on board.

[v_tec]

my dad has a malay friend that works in bejing, he goes back to Malaysia every 4 months to report to the company (he does want pay outsiders tax for working in china as i heard) & he was suppose to come back this month.around this time

we hope its not him
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PM me if you want the flight's manifest.
Don't think it's too appropriate to post it here publicly.

[ae101]

thanks vtec
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[XplicitLuder]

RIP =[

[nah]

They're started listing the manifest...

MISSING MH370 : List of missing passengers - Latest - New Straits Times (http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-list-of-missing-passengers-1.502492)

[godwin]

Their safety record is good.

also the safety record for the type 777 is good too, 3 hull losses over ~20 years and two of them were non fatal accidents (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777#Incidents_and_accidents). The fatal one was the screwup of the Asiana airlines last year at SFO.

How is Malaysian airlines past safety record? Aren't they associated with japan airlines?

[westopher]

Ugh. Air travel, when it goes wrong is the scariest shit in the world. My grandpa was an air traffic controller for 40 years. I can't imagine the feeling everyone feels when this goes down.

[godwin]

At cruising height, you will pass out so fast you won't feel a thing.

Ugh. Air travel, when it goes wrong is the scariest shit in the world. My grandpa was an air traffic controller for 40 years. I can't imagine the feeling everyone feels when this goes down.

[boostfever]

This is horrible. Hopefully there are survivors. :(

[j.f0ng]

They're started listing the manifest...

MISSING MH370 : List of missing passengers - Latest - New Straits Times (http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-list-of-missing-passengers-1.502492)

MAS included a passenger manifest in their latest update on their website as well.

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

[4444]

weird, getting alerts from Austrian Ministry, that a passenger on board was using a stolen Austrian passport - something is definitely fishy about that - not saying that has anything to do with the sad events, but definitely odd

[jaguar604]

weird, getting alerts from Austrian Ministry, that a passenger on board was using a stolen Austrian passport - something is definitely fishy about that - not saying that has anything to do with the sad events, but definitely odd

Apparently someone was flying with a stolen Italian passport as well in addition to the Austrian one. Is this a common thing for people to be flying with stolen passports?

[Mr.HappySilp]

Apparently someone was flying with a stolen Italian passport as well in addition to the Austrian one. Is this a common thing for people to be flying with stolen passports?

I would say no?!

[rsx]

I hope this isn't related to the recent terrorist stabbing attacks in China.

BBC did report 2 stolen passports were used to board the flight.


edit: Stolen Passports Prompt Terror Concerns in Missing Jet, Officials Say - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/stolen-passports-prompt-terror-concerns-missing-jet-officials-say-n47861)

[JSALES]

hopefully the stolen passports aren't linked to terrorism but the chances of having 2 stolen passports to board the flight? I don't know..

[Gululu]

I think this is another terrorist attack by the same group of Uyghurs islamic terrorists

[XplicitLuder]

didnt the earlier link state that the plane was found in the ocean? but cnn reporting it hasnt been found yet..or am i reading blind ? haha

[scottsman]

going from attacking people with knives to a sophisticated terrorist bombing on board a plane is a big stretch. Not that it couldn't happen but still a stretch.

[Infiniti]

Before we start speculating about crash causes, its appropriate that searchers find actual concrete evidence that in fact the plane crashed. At this point they have located no evidence at all. The purported "oil slick" Vietnamese officials found might in fact be just sea foam. Most recently it has been reported that a canvas was floating by rescuers, however, they are unsure on whether it is in fact from the doomed airliner.

[StylinRed]

Apparently someone was flying with a stolen Italian passport as well in addition to the Austrian one. Is this a common thing for people to be flying with stolen passports?

hopefully the stolen passports aren't linked to terrorism but the chances of having 2 stolen passports to board the flight? I don't know..

cnn spoke to the former head of the FAA and she said its not uncommon to have stolen/fake passports on flights and listed various reasons why they typically see this especially in that part of the world

they also said catastrophic failures can happen in a split second without any prior warning on flight systems

basically telling armchair detectives to hold your horses and just wait


surprised no ones mentioned aliens or something sci fi related back in the day there were a lot of scifi films/books about flights disappearing

[CP.AR]

horrible
this hits home really hard.

honestly though. it would be something absolutely catastrophic. No maydays, no prior warnings of any trouble. just suddenly off the blip

[Vansterdam]

surprised no ones mentioned aliens or something sci fi related back in the day there were a lot of scifi films/books about flights disappearing

speaking on the topic whats going down in the Bermuda Triangle these days

[v_tec]

Although not frequent, using stolen passport, is unfortunately still uncommon in air travel. Especially in less developed countries where corruption is still high.

It's still too early to conclude anything at this point, but I would say terrorism is unlikely.

Terrorists would want forged passports, not stolen ones. Forged passports that might be ultimately destroyed, unidentifiable, or never recovered. Just another set of John Does. Stolen passports are recorded and run the risk of having their proper owners identified immediately or be caught at security or boarding.

[Vale46Rossi]

:(

[v_tec]

FBI to investigate disappearance of a Malaysian Airlines jet

FBI to investigate disappearance of a Malaysian Airlines jet - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-fbi-disappearance-malaysian-airlines-jet-20140308,0,5571373.story#axzz2vQO5epud)

[CharlesInCharge]

Who will investigate the FBI?

[bobbinka]

Who will investigate the FBI?

you

[StylinRed]

Who will investigate the FBI?

the fbi isnt taking over the investigation they're just doing their own or assisting the FBI often assists in foreign investigations if so requested by respective governments or if US citizens are involved.

and from the article

U.S. officials said they are looking at whether this could be terrorism, as they would with any plane crash until proved otherwise. Though two passengers apparently used stolen passports, “there is no indication this is a terrorist attack; stolen passports are certainly not indicative of a terrorist attack,” a senior counter terrorism official said.
The official said there was "no evidence" of terrorism thus far. Law enforcement officials were not authorized to speak publicly.

...

But he emphsized that no known terrorist link has surfaced, and no organization has claimed responsibility for downing the plane...

...

An official at the Department of Homeland Security said it would be a first if the plane was brought down by two terrorists who boarded the jet carrying stolen passports. "We've never seen that," he said.

...

"Just because they were stolen doesn't mean the travelers were terrorists," the Homeland Security source cautioned. "They could have been nothing more than thieves. Or they could have simply bought the passports on the black market."

[Obsideon]

I just watched this last weekend ... then I see this news ... 2 people with stolen passports ... :pokerface:
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BOTI3NzcxMjkzMl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMDY0NTQ0MDE@._ V1_SX214_.jpg

[CharlesInCharge]

To StylinRed, I kind of figured that, I meant seeing the pattern of terrorism from the Latin American countries, to the Middle East, and currently Russia saying it was being blackmailed over Syria then the pre-Olympic bombs killing people... I wouldnt be surprised if this has something to do with our evil empire intimidating China.

Latest news
China won’t compromise with Japan on sovereignty: FM
PressTV - China won?t compromise with Japan on sovereignty: FM (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/08/353798/china-wont-compromise-on-sovereignty/)

China never allows war on Korean Peninsula: Chinese FM
PressTV - China never allows war on Korean Peninsula: Chinese FM (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/08/353826/china-never-allows-war-between-koreas/)

[twitchyzero]

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight: World's 10 most mysterious plane disappearances and strangest aircraft crashes - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-worlds-3220716)

[shawnly1000]

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight: World's 10 most mysterious plane disappearances and strangest aircraft crashes - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-worlds-3220716)

3 - Alive: The Andes disaster of flight 571

A chartered Uruguayan Air Force plane carrying 45 passengers and crew - including a Rugby Union team from Montevideo - crashed into the Andes mountains in bad weather.

Of the 45 people on the plane, 12 died in the crash.

Six more died in the days afterward, and a further eight in an avalanche that ran through the plane's wreckage, where they were taking shelter.

The remaining 16 passengers only survived by resorting to cannibalism, feeding on the corpses of their dead friends.

They were not found until 72 days after the crash, when two passengers made a ten-day trek across mountainous terrain, eventually finding a Chilean travelling salesman who gave them food and alerted authorities.

The story was immortalised in the 1993 film Alive.


holyyyyy

[StylinRed]

They're now looking at if the plane had turned back around before/after disappearing

BBC News - Missing Malaysia Airlines plane 'may have turned back' (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26502843)

Radar signals show a Malaysia Airlines plane that has been missing for more than 24 hours may have turned back, Malaysian officials have said.

Rescue teams looking for the plane have now widened their search area.

...

But Malaysia's civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman told a press conference in Kuala Lumpur that the search area had been expanded, to include the west coast of Malaysia.

He also said five passengers booked on to the flight did not board, though their luggage was removed.

lucky 5 ppl

[EmperorIS]

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.nst.com.my/w1.nst.com.my/polopoly_fs/1.503471.1394300611!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_454/ximage.jpg.pagespeed.ic.IFv_mF2N3f.webp

The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.
"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.
"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.
"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.
"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times.


Read more: MISSING MH370: Pilot: I established contact with plane - General - New Straits Times MISSING MH370: Pilot: I established contact with plane - General - New Straits Times (http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-pilot-i-established-contact-with-plane-1.503464#ixzz2vRfVFztq)


this is getting scary shit

[CP.AR]

Yes, relaying position reports is as common as taking a shit, and on its own shouldn't draw any sort of flags... but if you are on the emergency frequency (121.75) that that itself should have prompted the guys on the narita bound flight to probe deeper and ask them if they are in distress - since the relaying of messages under normal ops uses normal control frequencies... you will NEVER use 121.75 unless you are in danger or really have zero idea of what is going on.

[Harvey Specter]

I feel for the families who have no idea what happen to their loved ones.

And I wonder if this incident was a dry run with suicide bombers for a terror group to see if the explosives they had worked, maybe that's why no terror group has claimed responsibility (if terrorism related). That to me is scary as fuck because you potential have explosive material out there that can be brought onto planes without any detecting.

[EmperorIS]

Nevermind a bomb, the fact that a plane can disappear and not be found in almost two days is scary as fuck enough.

[badboy]

Ahmad and Abdul those are arab names right? hmmmm...:suspicious:

[twitchyzero]

I feel for the families who have no idea what happen to their loved ones.

And I wonder if this incident was a dry run with suicide bombers for a terror group to see if the explosives they had worked, maybe that's why no terror group has claimed responsibility (if terrorism related). That to me is scary as fuck because you potential have explosive material out there that can be brought onto planes without any detecting.

didn't aircraft lose contact first but didn't go off radar for almost another hour?

[mb_]

Ahmad and Abdul those are arab names right? hmmmm...:suspicious:

Muslim. Malaysia is a pre-dominantly Muslim country.

[hud 91gt]

Yes, relaying position reports is as common as taking a shit, and on its own shouldn't draw any sort of flags... but if you are on the emergency frequency (121.75) that that itself should have prompted the guys on the narita bound flight to probe deeper and ask them if they are in distress - since the relaying of messages under normal ops uses normal control frequencies... you will NEVER use 121.75 unless you are in danger or really have zero idea of what is going on.
Using 121.5 is fairly normal in day to day operation. Although not really recommended, it's completely understandable to use it when out of range from a controller. An aircraft would normally be speaking to ATC on one radio, and monitor 121.5 on the other. If they have lost contact on radio 1, usually they would try and contact someone on the same frequency, but using 121.5 is also an option as every airliner/ATC should be monitoring. The fact they made a position report is null, and this doesn't draw any flags in my mind.

As a widebody pilot, this one confuses the shit out of me. The fact there was no Mayday call, signs of distress or anything just tells me whatever happened, happened fast…. or was planned all along.

[Harvey Specter]

^
Pilot suicide could be possible. It's happen before, I believe Egypt Air?

And supposedly Richard Quest of CNN filmed a segment aboard a MS plane with the same two pilots that were on the plane that went down last week.

[Manic!]

holyyyyy

They made a mavie about it called alive. Watch it it's really good.

[shawnly1000]

I feel for the families who have no idea what happen to their loved ones.

And I wonder if this incident was a dry run with suicide bombers for a terror group to see if the explosives they had worked, maybe that's why no terror group has claimed responsibility (if terrorism related). That to me is scary as fuck because you potential have explosive material out there that can be brought onto planes without any detecting.

^
Pilot suicide could be possible. It's happen before, I believe Egypt Air?

And supposedly Richard Quest of CNN filmed a segment aboard a MS plane with the same two pilots that were on the plane that went down last week.

So much speculating lol

[bballguy]

They made a mavie about it called alive. Watch it it's really good.

kind of says that right in his post....

[CP.AR]

Using 121.5 is fairly normal in day to day operation. Although not really recommended, it's completely understandable to use it when out of range from a controller. An aircraft would normally be speaking to ATC on one radio, and monitor 121.5 on the other. If they have lost contact on radio 1, usually they would try and contact someone on the same frequency, but using 121.5 is also an option as every airliner/ATC should be monitoring. The fact they made a position report is null, and this doesn't draw any flags in my mind.

As a widebody pilot, this one confuses the shit out of me. The fact there was no Mayday call, signs of distress or anything just tells me whatever happened, happened fast…. or was planned all along.

it is 121.5 isn't it :whistle:

[Vansterdam]

They made a mavie about it called alive. Watch it it's really good.

I remember the Simpsons reference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_Flying_(The_Simpsons)

can't believe its from 94 lol

[Harvey Specter]

Richard Quest flew with first officer and supposedly the captain a few days before the accident;

Quest: I flew with missing first officer - CNN.com Video

[doritos]

could be like the bermuda triangle shit... or other out of world shit. Just sayin, anythings possible. This universe is full of strange fucked up shit we cannot even think of on this earth yet.

[rexsomnii]

.

[EmperorIS]

latest update:

They found a strange floating object off Tho Chu Island. Boats are going to investigate.

[1exotic]

starting to sound more like a hijacking to me
the fake passport thing Is sketchy as hell

[cdizzle_996]

How the fuck do you hide a 777.. Something isn't adding up.

After 48hrs there has to be a sign, crashed or not..

[v_tec]

Boeing 777
March 7
Flight MH 370

:suspicious: :fulloffuck:

[nabs]

It's a large area of water as well, it could technically be anywhere because if it was hijacked, the hijackers could have turned the plane in any direction and nobody would know. This is getting and making me sadder and sadder by the hour, I really hope they find it soon for the sake of the family members.

I thought there was no way of turning off the radar on an airplane as a safety measure. And if it was a manual shut down, why wouldn't they have an emergency backup, or just one always running in a secret location in case of emergency. Has anyone thought of this? or am I just speaking out of my ass.

[CP.AR]

Radar is ground based. You can turn off the ident (the return data encoded signal) but you can't turn off the raw radar echo's. Not sure how the radar coverage is in that part of the world though
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[Bouncing Bettys]

They made a mavie about it called alive. Watch it it's really good.
The acting is shit. Of course the book of the same name is far better. The survivors had a camera with them and took a number of pictures during their ordeal, some of which were included in the book. Also included are maps of the crash site, the location of various sections of the plane, and the various expiditions to reach the other plane sections or routes to a way out of the mountains.

Striking the water at night likely means there weren't visual witnesses. A plane isn't going to leave much wreckage floating on the surface so it's like losing a needle in a gigantic haystack, especially if it altered its coarse from its assigned fligh path.

[EmperorIS]

UPDATE [6:59pm]: Vietnamese media reports that suspicious object is not related to flight MH370 reports. Jacky Ly Thang, a defense cooperation official in US Embassy Hanoi, told VN Search & Rescue Center just now that US search party has confirmed that the object - seen by Singaporean search plane earlier - had nothing to do with the missing plane.

[adambomb]

Five passengers booked on the flight did not board, he added. Their luggage was consequently removed.

I find this the oddest piece of the puzzle. Since the airline removed the luggage from the plane, it means the airport had the luggage in their possession, then those passengers technically should have checked in with gate staff. For the passengers to miss a flight, after all the boarding calls and final boarding calls broadcast over the airport public-address systems seems suspicious. I mean its one thing to completely miss a flight, people do it in Las Vegas all the time. But to show up to check in, check in luggage and miss the flight all together doesn't add up for me. I find it pretty hard to forget you have a flight to catch after you have already checked in. And this is for 5 people as reported, not just one drunk idiot.



:suspicious:

[rsx]

Gets stranger by the minute

[Harvey Specter]

They're looking at 4 passengers who boarded the plane including two with the stolen passports...


KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Military radar indicates that the missing Boeing 777 jet may have turned back before vanishing, Malaysia's air force chief said Sunday as authorities were investigating up to four passengers with suspicious identifications.

The revelations add to the uncertainties surrounding the final minutes of flight MH370, which was carrying 239 people when it lost contact with ground controllers somewhere between Malaysia and Vietnam after leaving Kuala Lumpur early Saturday morning for Beijing.

A massive international sea search has so far turned up no trace of the plane, which lost contact with the ground when the weather was fine, the plane was already cruising and the pilots didn't send a distress signal — unusual circumstance for a modern jetliner operated by a professional airline to crash.

Vietnamese air force jets spotted two large oil slicks Saturday, but it was unclear if they were linked to the missing plane, and no debris was found nearby.

Air force chief Rodzali Daud didn't say which direction the plane veered when it apparently went off course, or how long it flew in that direction.

"We are trying to make sense of this," he told a media conference. "The military radar indicated that the aircraft may have made a turn back and in some parts, this was corroborated by civilian radar."

Malaysia Airlines Chief Executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said pilots were supposed to inform the airline and traffic control authorities if the plane does a U-turn. "From what we have, there was no such distress signal or distress call per se, so we are equally puzzled," he said.

Authorities were checking on the suspect identities of at least two passengers who appear to have boarded with stolen passports. On Saturday, the foreign ministries in Italy and Austria said the names of two citizens listed on the flight's manifest matched the names on two passports reported stolen in Thailand.

Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said that authorities were looking at two more possible cases of suspicious identities. He said Malaysian intelligence agencies were in contact with their international counterparts, including the FBI. He gave no more details.

"All the four names are with me and have been given to our intelligence agencies," he said. "We are looking at all possibilities."

The stolen passports, and the sudden disappearance of the plane that experts say is consistent with a possible onboard explosion, strengthened existing concerns about terrorism as a possible cause for the disappearance. Al-Qaida militants have used similar tactics to try and disguise their identities.

Despite that, other possible causes would seem just as likely at this stage, including a catastrophic failure of the engines or the plane itself, extreme turbulence and pilot error or even suicide. Establishing a cause with any certainty will need data from flight recorders and a detailed examination of any debris, something that will take months if not years.

European authorities on Saturday confirmed the names and nationalities of the two stolen passports: One was an Italian-issued document bearing the name Luigi Maraldi, the other Austrian under the name Christian Kozel.

A telephone operator on a China-based KLM hotline on Sunday confirmed "Maraldi" and "Kozel" were both booked to leave Beijing on a KLM flight to Amsterdam on March 8. Maraldi was then to fly to Copenhagen on KLM on March 8, and Kozel to Frankfurt on March 8.

She said the pair booked the tickets through China Southern Airlines so she had no information on where they bought them.

Having an onward reservation from Beijing would have meant the pair, as holders of EU passports, would not have needed a visa for China. Beyond that, it was unclear whether this had any possible implications for the investigation.

A total of 22 aircraft and 40 ships have been deployed to the area by Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, China and the United States, not counting Vietnam's fleet.

Two-thirds of the jet's passengers were Chinese. The rest were from elsewhere in Asia, North America and Europe.

After more than 30 hours without contact with the aircraft, Malaysia Airlines told family members they should "prepare themselves for the worst," Hugh Dunleavy, the commercial director for the airline told reporters.

Finding traces of an aircraft that disappears over sea can take days or longer, even with a sustained search effort. Depending on the circumstances of the crash, wreckage can be scattered over many square kilometers (miles). If the plane enters the water before breaking up, there can be relatively little debris.

A team of American experts was en route to Asia to be ready to assist in the investigation into the crash. The team includes accident investigators from National Transportation Safety Board, as well as technical experts from the Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing, the safety board said in a statement.

Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record, as does the 777, which had not had a fatal crash in its 19-year history until an Asiana Airlines plane crashed last July in San Francisco, killing three passengers, all Chinese teenagers.

Jason Middleton, the head of the Sydney-based University of New South Wales' School of Aviation, said terrorism or some other form of foul play seemed a likely explanation.

"You're looking at some highly unexpected thing, and the only ones people can think of are basically foul play, being either a bomb or some immediate incapacitating of the pilots by someone doing the wrong thing and that might lead to an airplane going straight into the ocean," Middleton said. "With two stolen passports (on board), you'd have to suspect that that's one of the likely options."

But Clive Williams, a counter-terrorism expert at Australia's Macquarie University and a former military intelligence officer, said he doubted the two stolen passports aboard the flight were related to the disaster. The latest Interpol data showed there were 39 million lost or stolen passports reported as of Dec. 2013.

"Any flight of that size in Asia would be carrying a couple of people with false passports," he said. "When you think about the number of passports that have been stolen or gone missing around the world ... it could be related, but it's probably not."

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[StylinRed]

I find this the oddest piece of the puzzle. Since the airline removed the luggage from the plane, it means the airport had the luggage in their possession, then those passengers technically should have checked in with gate staff. For the passengers to miss a flight, after all the boarding calls and final boarding calls broadcast over the airport public-address systems seems suspicious. I mean its one thing to completely miss a flight, people do it in Las Vegas all the time. But to show up to check in, check in luggage and miss the flight all together doesn't add up for me. I find it pretty hard to forget you have a flight to catch after you have already checked in. And this is for 5 people as reported, not just one drunk idiot.



:suspicious:

could just be a connecting flight, happens all the time

The acting is shit. Of course the book of the same name is far better. The survivors had a camera with them and took a number of pictures during their ordeal, some of which were included in the book. Also included are maps of the crash site, the location of various sections of the plane, and the various expiditions to reach the other plane sections or routes to a way out of the mountains.


the acting wasn't bad at the time :/ some of the survivors worked as advisers for the film too iirc there was talk that the studios wanted them to act in the movie too

[adambomb]

could just be a connecting flight, happens all the time

Good point. Didn't think of that. :thumbsup:
The luggage made the connection but not the passengers. :squint: It could happen I guess.


The other thing that bothers me is the use of the stolen passports. Anybody who has ever been on a plane or watched the "Bourne Supremacy" knows a passport can get flagged. Every airport I have ever been in has scanned my passport via customs agents. How did these two passengers get on the plane with stolen passports? Where there any warnings that popped up when these passengers went through security with the stolen passports?

An aussie counter-terrorism expert basically said "fugettabouit" :suspicious:

[CP.AR]

I find this the oddest piece of the puzzle. Since the airline removed the luggage from the plane, it means the airport had the luggage in their possession, then those passengers technically should have checked in with gate staff. For the passengers to miss a flight, after all the boarding calls and final boarding calls broadcast over the airport public-address systems seems suspicious. I mean its one thing to completely miss a flight, people do it in Las Vegas all the time. But to show up to check in, check in luggage and miss the flight all together doesn't add up for me. I find it pretty hard to forget you have a flight to catch after you have already checked in. And this is for 5 people as reported, not just one drunk idiot.



:suspicious:
This happens all the time man.
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[StylinRed]

^^^^
it was discussed earlier but if the flight was headed to the usa they're certain the stolen pp would have been flagged as all passports would have to be run through some US computer system

and
cnn spoke to the former head of the FAA and she said its not uncommon to have stolen/fake passports on flights and listed various reasons why they typically see this especially in that part of the world

they also said catastrophic failures can happen in a split second without any prior warning on flight systems

basically telling armchair detectives to hold your horses and just wait


surprised no ones mentioned aliens or something sci fi related back in the day there were a lot of scifi films/books about flights disappearing



They're looking at 4 passengers who boarded the plane including two with the stolen passports...

'Suspect'
Malaysia's Transport Minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, initially said at least four names on the passenger list were "suspect" but later told the BBC there were in fact only two suspect names.

The BBC has confirmed that a man falsely using an Italian passport and a man falsely using an Austrian passport purchased tickets at the same time, and were both booked on the same onward flight from Beijing to Europe on Saturday.

Both had purchased their tickets from China Southern Airlines, which shared the flight with Malaysia Airlines, and they had consecutive ticket numbers.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73464000/gif/_73464773_china_malaysia_plane_464_v2.gif

They're looking on the West Coast too (malacca strait) it's sounding like it may have turned back due to failures maybe? coming back for an emergency landing?

The wing of this particular Boeing was damaged a couple years ago as it clipped another plane while on the ground and people are wondering if maybe the repair finally failed

what is evident at this point is there are allll sorts of possibilities that's why the authorities aren't laying any definite suspicions and keeping an open mind

but the public is going to latch onto what they find most interesting

[v_tec]

The other thing that bothers me is the use of the stolen passports. Anybody who has ever been on a plane or watched the "Bourne Supremacy" knows a passport can get flagged. Every airport I have ever been in has scanned my passport via customs agents. How did these two passengers get on the plane with stolen passports? Where there any warnings that popped up when these passengers went through security with the stolen passports?

You haven't been through enough airports.

[StylinRed]

The 2 with stolen passports had booked flights to Amsterdam and Beijing was just a stop

If that's where they were really headed i'm assuming drug smuggling/illegal immigrants

[v_tec]

Vietnamese Newspaper: http://www.thanhnien.com.vn/pages/20140309/tiep-can-duoc-vung-nghi-may-bay-malaysia-mat-tich.aspx
Looks like they something that resembles the window of a plane...

- They will send a ship out tonight (Vietnam time) to retrieve this object for further analysis
- They also found another object, suspected to be part of the tail of the aircraft
- Vietnamese authorities have informed Malaysian and Singaporean authorities about the findings.

http://www.thanhnien.com.vn/Pictures201403/DinhHuan/vatthela_malaysiaairlines.jpg

[4444]

this all seems so odd to me:

1) how do people with stolen passports get through security - everything is online and connected now, right? so wouldn't they be flagged? this bit really bothers me (i'm flying to and around asia in a week, though i know by the numbers this is a one in a million thing)

2) if there was a mechanical or other fault, surely the pilots would have called it in, does that mean we can slightly discount mechanical failure? but why did they turn around, and if they turned around, why not radio it in?

3) if it is a hijacking - how? unless it's an inside job (that guy recently from Africa who landed in europe as he wanted asylum) - but the pilots are locked in their cabin, i'm pretty sure it's tough to bring weapons on board nowadays (even for skilled 'terrorists')

4) the only other thing i could think of it a mid air crash - but that's not an issue as the risks are so low for that and there would, of course, be a second plane involved.

this whole thing is such a wild and shocking mystery - in this connected world, how does this happen, why can't we find it - i assume we have the capability to view the earth in good definition, live, from space - how good is that technology? (Urthecast, for one) - i would think we should have some drones used at super high altitude with super high def. cameras to scan the areas to find evidence of where the plane came to land.

[4444]

couple other thoughts:

approx. 50% of crashes are human error - air france flight that went down between south america and france in the ocean, the recent SF crash... but nothing indicates that here, but we really don't know

if it were terrorism, does this make sense, to attack a muslim asset / people? I appreciate there are some super crazies out there who are parts of sects that beleive some muslims aren't pure enough b/c they're not as crazy as they are, but normally attacks in the name of religious extremism is done against 'the other side' - so it strikes me as odd, or maybe not, maybe this is a malaysian group of crackpots who want to show they have 'power' in malaysia?

so many questions

[v_tec]

this all seems so odd to me:

1) how do people with stolen passports get through security - everything is online and connected now, right? so wouldn't they be flagged? this bit really bothers me (i'm flying to and around asia in a week, though i know by the numbers this is a one in a million thing)
One can travel from airport A (and use his real identity/passport) and transit through KUL for his flight to PEK without going through security again.
This could even have been a completely different ticket / itinerary.

4) the only other thing i could think of it a mid air crash - but that's not an issue as the risks are so low for that and there would, of course, be a second plane involved.
Next to impossible given the modern age of radar and flight plans.
You're better off believing the 0.0000000001% chance of being hit by something like a meteorite.

[4444]

Next to impossible given the modern age of radar and flight plans.
You're better off believing the 0.0000000001% chance of being hit by something like a meteorite.

totally respect that, but there was an episode of maybe where in south america a private plane hit a jumbo, clipping its wing, the jumbo went down, i think the private jet was fine... (not sure when this was, 80's or early 90's? episode was a while ago

i agree, very very very unlikely, but then again, everything with flying is dealing such small chances - again, humans, they're the weakness in the system!

[v_tec]

1) how do people with stolen passports get through security - everything is online and connected now, right? so wouldn't they be flagged? this bit really bothers me (i'm flying to and around asia in a week, though i know by the numbers this is a one in a million thing)

One can travel from airport A (and use his real identity/passport) and transit through KUL for his flight to PEK without going through security again.
This could even have been a completely different ticket / itinerary.

and no, it's not 'online and connected'. It really depends at which point you were checked. For example, airline check in counters cannot validate a passport, they just need to check if the passport match the name / DOB / if it has been forged and if it has applicable visa to the destination's country.

Interpol has data for stolen/lost passports. That data is accessed mostly on an individual query-by-query basis (by passport control authorities mainly) and it is far from commonly done to check all or even most passports of most passengers flying internationally.

Just think about YVR (and most CAN/USA airports) for example. At which point did you go through passport control? Not at departure...and only upon arrival.

[4444]

right, but your passport is scanned before departure. either way, it would be so easy to set up a connected system for passports to be verified vs. interpol information

[beatdownvictim]

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[shawnly1000]

right, but your passport is scanned before departure. either way, it would be so easy to set up a connected system for passports to be verified vs. interpol information

UPDATE 1-Interpol says use of stolen passports on flights of great concern | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/malaysia-crash-interpol-idUSL6N0M60DP20140309)

Interpol said no checks of its database had been made by any country on an Austrian and an Italian passport between the time that they were stolen and the departure of the flight.

"Whilst it is too soon to speculate about any connection between these stolen passports and the missing plane, it is clearly of great concern that any passenger was able to board an international flight using a stolen passport listed in Interpol's databases," Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said in a statement.

The police agency said it was in contact with its offices in the countries involved to try to establish the true identities of the passengers who boarded the flight with the stolen documents.

It said it is also checking all other passports on the flight "which may have been reported stolen".

Noble expressed frustration that few of Interpol's 190 member countries "systematically" search the database to determine whether documents being used to board a plane are registered as lost or stolen.

[MDMA]

The plane could have got sucked into a vortex, other planes have gone missing leaving no trace behind as well. Places like the Bermuda Triangle are known for this sort of activity. Very erie to say the least.
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[m3thods]

^LOL I hope you were joking man. Numerous studies have shown that there's nothing fishy about the Bermuda Triangle, nor do 'vortices' show up out of nowhere.

I find that in this day and age, it's almost unbelievable to lose a plane. Even Air France 447's story is 2009 is unbelievable, yet 5 years later it can still happen.

I hope for the potential victims' families sake they find out what happened sooner rather than later..

[JD¹³]

The plane could have got sucked into a vortex, other planes have gone missing leaving no trace behind as well. Places like the Bermuda Triangle are known for this sort of activity. Very erie to say the least.
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The Bermuda Triangle is equivalent to people telling ghost stories. The stories from that region are predominantly from the early ages of flight to just after the Second World War. Though it's possible there may be some kind of natural magnetic field distortion or other phenomena that would throw off an aircrafts instruments.... it's also a breeding ground for severe weather due to air and ocean currents. Back in those days the instrumentation was not very sophisticated and neither was our knowledge of the regions weather. Aircraft didn't have crash-proof black boxes with GPS transmitters coordinating with the powerful radars and radios we have today.

The point is aircraft don't simply vanish, get sucked into a vortex, fly through a blackhole, or get zapped by aliens. In the Bermuda Triangle they all got disoriented either due to pilot error, instrument failure, weather, or a combination of all of the above. For example a sudden change in weather such as the formation of a severe thunderstorm or hurricane drastically alters the atmospheric pressure, if a pilot doesn't compensate now their altimeter is way off, they stop trusting their altimeter and now question the other instrumentation, but that island looks like one they recognize from a different region that they saw 25 minutes ago on a different heading, they're not lost but think they are and start guessing, no GPS, too far out for local radar or radio to help, weather is reducing visibility, it all looks the same, flying in disoriented circles..... Those men and women are all buried at sea. There's a reason you haven't heard fables of vanishing aircraft in the Bermuda Triangle for decades and that's thanks to our modern technology, understanding of weather phenomenon, and safety standards.

As for Flight MH370 unfortunately all signs are pointing towards a hijacking or terrorist attack. The odds of a modern aircraft (brand new by industry standards) operated by an international carrier simply coming apart mid-air due to a structural malfunction are beyond extremely low. An experienced Captain and FO wouldn't go radio silent through any other emergency.

[nah]

Boeing 777
March 7
Flight MH 370

:suspicious: :fulloffuck:

Close...the fight actually departed on March 8, early Saturday morning.

[multicartual]

The Bermuda Triangle is equivalent to people telling ghost stories.


There is a lot of evidence for the existence of ghosts. Shit, I even saw a floating wet, black ball at Hycroft Manor years ago.

[Hot Karl]

There is a lot of evidence for the existence of ghosts. Shit, I even saw a floating wet, black ball at Hycroft Manor years ago.

i don't think you know what the word "evidence" means.

[bballguy]

There is a lot of evidence for the existence of ghosts. Shit, I even saw a floating wet, black ball at Hycroft Manor years ago.

lol, yeah....and Grizzly Adams had a beard...

[multicartual]

i don't think you know what the word "evidence" means.


Would you say capturing disembodied voices on digital recorders evidence when people have claimed a location is haunted? It happens. Years ago I captured "Leave us alone" on my video camera's audio at Mountainview Cemetery.

I won't argue in this thread but there are a massive amount of people world-wide that have had paranormal experiences that are completely unexplainable. Things like the Bermuda Triangle have much more logical explainations for why planes crash there.

[twitchyzero]

i find it shocking they haven't found any lugguages/bodies within 50 nautical miles 48 hours later
it's only 100 miles off the coast too not in the middle of the pacific

[underscore]

1) how do people with stolen passports get through security - everything is online and connected now, right? so wouldn't they be flagged? this bit really bothers me (i'm flying to and around asia in a week, though i know by the numbers this is a one in a million thing)

If your passport was stolen, how long would it take you to notice and then report it? It's not like the passport gets flagged the instant someone steals it.

[v_tec]

Close...the fight actually departed on March 8, early Saturday morning.

The incident is described as March 7 due to GMT time.

[v_tec]

If your passport was stolen, how long would it take you to notice and then report it? It's not like the passport gets flagged the instant someone steals it.

Both reports were missing 1.5-2 years ago.
Not sure if it's confirmed but I think only one or the two passport was only reported to the Interpol.

[Infiniti]

The third day of search and rescue efforts are about to get underway and there is still no sign of MH370. From the various sources I have been reading on the situation, there appears to be a lack of coordination between the different governments involved in the operation. Vietnamese officials have been quoted as saying that the Malaysian authorities have been extremely tight lipped regarding their operations. Perhaps its time for these agencies to conduct a more cohesive operation by coordinating efforts and sharing pertinent information so that the operation can become more effective.

It boggles my mind that Malaysian authorities are now devoting--at least in part--their operation to scour the straights of Malacca!? This suggests that MH370 in fact deviated from its flight plan and made its way back across the malay peninsula without being detected by radar!? Are the Malaysians withholding some information?

[Shorn]

It boggles my mind that Malaysian authorities are now devoting--at least in part--their operation to scour the straights of Malacca!? This suggests that MH370 in fact deviated from its flight plan and made its way back across the malay peninsula without being detected by radar!? Are the Malaysians withholding some information?

They found evidence on military and civilian radar that the flight actually deviated from it's normal flight path similar to a u-turn before it disappeared.

Source: News from the Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MALAYSIA_PLANE_WHAT_COULD_HAVE_HAPPENED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-09-19-02-18)

[1exotic]

its a terrorist hijacking for sure

[Harvey Specter]

If it was a hijacking that it might suggest that the hijackers took over the controls and didn't know how to fly the plane.

[EmperorIS]

I doubt the hijackers knows how to turn off all radar detection though

[knight604]

The plane could have got sucked into a vortex, other planes have gone missing leaving no trace behind as well. Places like the Bermuda Triangle are known for this sort of activity. Very erie to say the least.
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Too much mdma

[Infiniti]

I doubt the hijackers knows how to turn off all radar detection though

Regardless of whether or not you manually switch off the ADS transponders, the aircraft would still show up on radar, hence the unlikely-ness of the aircraft making its way across land undetected (which I mentioned in my last post ).

I am clearly spitballing here, but I think at this point its clear that the aircraft is not tucked away on some remote dirt landing strip somewhere in South East Asia. There has likely been a catastrophic event which has led to a rapid and uncontrolled crash into the surrounding seas. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, searchers have been unable to locate any major debris fields due to a number of possibilities: The aircraft and any other parts belonging to it have sunk to the bottom of the ocean or that searchers are not looking in the right areas.

[Ch28]

Watched Non-Stop this weekend and then I came out of the theatre to hear about this news.

Definitely felt very weirded out.

[multicartual]

There has likely been a catastrophic event which has led to a rapid and uncontrolled crash into the surrounding seas.


Those poor people. :(

[EmperorIS]

UPDATE [8:11am]: A video clip of a man dialling the number of his elder brother was shown on a Beijing Television's news bulletin. The call got connected, but no one picked up. He made the phone call three times. Full story here.

[E60_M5]

UPDATE [8:11am]: A video clip of a man dialling the number of his elder brother was shown on a Beijing Television's news bulletin. The call got connected, but no one picked up. He made the phone call three times. Full story here.

This is news from yesterday. Its already confirmed by the cell network provider the phone number is not reachable and all they were hearing was the international ring tone before being connected.

[Infiniti]

UPDATE [8:11am]: A video clip of a man dialling the number of his elder brother was shown on a Beijing Television's news bulletin. The call got connected, but no one picked up. He made the phone call three times. Full story here.

I've had occasions where my cellphone has been off and during that time people trying to reach me have said that my number was ringing even though it was off (I was traveling at the time)

[MR_BIGGS]

How likely is it that the airplane disintegrated 35,000 ft in the air preventing any large debris falling into the water?

[E60_M5]

Floating object that was spotted yesterday is not from the missing plane. So still no sign of the plane...

Floating object not related to MH370: U.S. rescuers | Tu?i Tr? news (http://tuoitrenews.vn/society/18186/floating-object-not-related-to-mh370-us-rescuers)

[Verdasco]

Watched Non-Stop this weekend and then I came out of the theatre to hear about this news.

Definitely felt very weirded out.

guess i wasn't the only one... and i saw south park the same day i heard about this news. It was an episode on zimmerman and the plane crashing on the mountains....... disturbing indeed.

[i-vtecyo]

^ Watched World War Z on Friday night with the zombie on the airplane scene and when i came across this thread, it gave me chills and goosebumps.

[JaPoola]

Aliens?

[hud 91gt]

Interesting, but totally true article.
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 makes it clear: we need to rethink black boxes | Stephen Trimble | Comment is free | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/09/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-black-box)

[StylinRed]

wonder if governments like the US are using their spy satellites to search for the plane or would that be considered a waste of resources

[JD¹³]

How likely is it that the airplane disintegrated 35,000 ft in the air preventing any large debris falling into the water?
Is that a serious question? Absolutely zero. If the aircraft broke apart or a bomb was set off at that altitude there would be thousands of pieces of debris floating on the surface spread over a very large area. From fuselage to luggage to seat cushions and bodies (or body parts).

If the aircraft was put in to an intentional dive it may be a different scenario. The aircraft would be supersonic very quickly even at idle throttle. If it "penciled in" ie. hit the water nose first straight down the impact would be devastating though much of the fuselage itself might remain intact trapping luggage and bodies inside and carrying them down. However the wings and probably tail would shear off and there would still be debris but it may be very localized. Without knowing the aircrafts exact location it would be like finding a needle in a haystack before the evidence eventually sinks and is carried away by the current. As it is the debris has already had 2-3 days to drift or sink.

Evidence of the aircraft will eventually be found. But with such a wide search area and no real starting point they may never find the black box of this one, and we will subsequently never know what happened onboard.

[multicartual]

If it "penciled in" ie. hit the water nose first straight down the impact would be devastating though much of the fuselage itself might remain intact trapping luggage and bodies inside and carrying them down. However the wings and probably tail would shear off and there would still be debris but it may be very localized.


Isn't that what happened with the plane that hit the Pentagon? It went in at such a speed that it pulled the wings in and made that small hole where most of the wreckage got sucked inside. :(


My guess is that it got hijacked by terrorists and the controls were fought over, causing a nose-dive, or the captain/co-pilot locked the other pilot out of the cabin and then suicided the entire plane. :(


It is so sad to think about all of those innocent people. I don't pray often but I will pray again for them tonight.

[JSALES]

Isn't that what happened with the plane that hit the Pentagon? It went in at such a speed that it pulled the wings in and made that small hole where most of the wreckage got sucked inside. :(


My guess is that it got hijacked by terrorists and the controls were fought over, causing a nose-dive, or the captain/co-pilot locked the other pilot out of the cabin and then suicided the entire plane. :(


It is so sad to think about all of those innocent people. I don't pray often but I will pray again for them tonight.

I don't believe an aircraft actually hit the pentagon, more like a missile or something but that's what I think.

[JD¹³]

Isn't that what happened with the plane that hit the Pentagon? It went in at such a speed that it pulled the wings in and made that small hole where most of the wreckage got sucked inside. :(
There is absolutely no way a commercial airliner hit the Pentagon or went down in a field in Pennsylvania and completely vaporized. But that's another discussion for another thread.

This Greek Air Force Mirage hit the water and remained almost completely intact, sinking to the ocean floor. It is however a much smaller and more rigid fuselage than a commercial airliner.

http://www.diseno-art.com/news_content/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/crashed-Greek-Air-Force-Mirage-2000-jet-fighter.jpg

[EmperorIS]

Since there was a group of semi conductor workers on the plane... maybe it was a planned terrorist hijack to kidnap these people to make bombs for them

:suspicious:

[Stealthy]

wonder if governments like the US are using their spy satellites to search for the plane or would that be considered a waste of resources

Not completely what you were asking however this adds to the story

Pentagon Data Suggests Jet Didn't Explode: New York Times - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/pentagon-data-suggests-jet-didnt-explode-new-york-times-n48186)

"Preliminary surveillance data" examined by the Pentagon suggests the missing Malaysia Airlines jet did not explode over the South China Sea, according to The New York Times.

The newspaper cited a U.S. government official who spoke on the condition of anonymity as suggesting "a system that looks for flashes around the world" had not identified any sign of a blast. NBC News could not immediately confirm the report.

[Klobbersaurus]

Not completely what you were asking however this adds to the story

Pentagon Data Suggests Jet Didn't Explode: New York Times - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/pentagon-data-suggests-jet-didnt-explode-new-york-times-n48186)

if there is no debris field, isnt it obvious that the plane didnt explode or disintegrate unless the plane was completely vaporized

maybe the plane landed in the water and sank, sort of what happened in that new york river plane landing

[hud 91gt]

if there is no debris field, isnt it obvious that the plane didnt explode or disintegrate unless the plane was completely vaporized

maybe the plane landed in the water and sank, sort of what happened in that new york river plane landing

If they laid it in there as nicely as Sully, I'd assume you'd have a debris field of life jackets and people floating around the ocean after the plane sunk.

[Soundy]

If the aircraft was put in to an intentional dive it may be a different scenario. The aircraft would be supersonic very quickly even at idle throttle. If it "penciled in" ie. hit the water nose first straight down the impact would be devastating though much of the fuselage itself might remain intact trapping luggage and bodies inside and carrying them down. However the wings and probably tail would shear off and there would still be debris but it may be very localized. Without knowing the aircrafts exact location it would be like finding a needle in a haystack before the evidence eventually sinks and is carried away by the current. As it is the debris has already had 2-3 days to drift or sink.
Something similar (at least initially) happened with a plane that nose-dived into the Everglades several years ago: the whole thing was essentially swallowed by the swamp, with practically no floating debris and almost no visible impact crater.

Other cases have had planes going down in thick jungles that literally close back in over them, making the wrecks extremely difficult to find.

[MikeHB]

If it was an act of terror similar to this, (SilkAir Flight 185 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185)) would the outcome of scattered debris be the same?
My father has actually been flying in Asia for the last three years, I was speaking to him about it and he said often times there are lots of 'no radar' zones through out the area.
Hope they figure this out soon.
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When I say similar to this in no way am I accusing crew of anything, more so the aircraft being hijacked.
Another point my Dad made was if this was an act of terrorism, why hasn't any one claimed to be responsible?

[Teriyaki]

If it was an act of terror similar to this, (SilkAir Flight 185 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185)) would the outcome of scattered debris be the same?
My father has actually been flying in Asia for the last three years, I was speaking to him about it and he said often times there are lots of 'no radar' zones through out the area.
Hope they figure this out soon.
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When I say similar to this in no way am I accusing crew of anything, more so the aircraft being hijacked.
Another point my Dad made was if this was an act of terrorism, why hasn't any one claimed to be responsible?

You don't necessarily need to have a group or organization take credit for something to terrorize the public. Afterall, some people just want to watch the world burn.

[Harvey Specter]

What a horrific few days it's been for the families of the victims. It's unimaginable not knowing what happen or if they'll ever recover the bodies. And authorities will probably be reconstructing and collecting debris from this crash for years.

[StylinRed]

if there is no debris field, isnt it obvious that the plane didnt explode or disintegrate unless the plane was completely vaporized

maybe the plane landed in the water and sank, sort of what happened in that new york river plane landing

Some experts were discussing that on tv just now they believed it was possible for this pilot to land it in the water but noted that it was at night and suggested that would make it unlikely

[haymura]

Ive been meaning to ask members here for an honest answer to this question:
If terrorism did happen in your flight,would you have the courage to try and do something to stop it? Ask yourselves honestly...
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[westopher]

Thats a pretty broad question better fitted for somewhere other than a thread that has been pretty relevant to the situation so far other than a few absolutely retarded theories. Obviously, like anything, it depends on a multitude of factors.

[JaPoola]

Ive been meaning to ask members here for an honest answer to this question:
If terrorism did happen in your flight,would you have the courage to try and do something to stop it? Ask yourselves honestly...
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Doesn't matter what you answer, nothing counts until you are faced with that situation.

[Gumby]

Doesn't matter what you answer, nothing counts until you are faced with that situation.
Agreed. You'll never know until you are in that situation.

[Soundy]

Some experts were discussing that on tv just now they believed it was possible for this pilot to land it in the water but noted that it was at night and suggested that would make it unlikely
Let's not forget reports that the plane may have turned around before it disappeared... if that's so, depending on how far it got, it may have been back over land. Given the subtropical jungles in that part of the world, any debris (IF there is any) may be well camouflaged.

And yes, there's always the chance the plane set down somewhere outside the search area, or is even being intentionally hidden (hey, we're getting into the realm of James Bond here, but why not?)

Fact is, nobody knows yet where it went down, how it went down, or even IF it went down... only that it disappeared from radar and all contact was lost. Among all the other speculation, you might just as well add...

http://memeimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ancient-aliens-guy-big-hair-giorgio-tsoukalos.jpeg

[Harvey Specter]

A 777 could glide for about 20 minutes without 2 engines but factor weather conditions, weight from the fuel which takes some to dump, passenger load and cargo plus the time of day it would be very unlikely you would be able to land a 777 on water without it ripping a part. Here;s what would most likely happen if a water landing was attempted on a large plane like the 777;

Ethiopian Airline B767 hijack - YouTube

And the miracle on the Hudson was just that, a miracle.

[NKC ONE]

Another point my Dad made was if this was an act of terrorism, why hasn't any one claimed to be responsible?

I don't recall Bin Ladin and the Al Qaeda claiming responsibility for 9/11. Well not at least till Oct 2004 but definitely not right away. Not sure if its the strategy for terrorist or if they actually did it or not, they usually don't claim their acts.

[StylinRed]

actually the MO is they usually do claim responsibility
that's also one of the points that the truthers use in their claim of inside job

[AzNightmare]

:heckno:

This is like some modern day "Bermuda Triangle" mystery...

[Ch28]

Malaysia Air saying they are considering the possibility of a turn back and hostage situation.

At this point, I don't know what to think of anymore.

http://i.imgur.com/v5WcgwC.png

Apparently, this is the area that the plane would've been able to travel to

[underscore]

Interesting, but totally true article.
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 makes it clear: we need to rethink black boxes | Stephen Trimble | Comment is free | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/09/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-black-box)

I'm sorry, but this article just screams "written by someone with no concept of technology". Just because the author thinks it should be possible, doesn't mean it is possible. You might be able to get wifi on a domestic flight, but I doubt both the ability for a system like this to work in an area such as this, and the difficulty in getting the tech into the field in large-scale use.

Some experts were discussing that on tv just now they believed it was possible for this pilot to land it in the water but noted that it was at night and suggested that would make it unlikely

Something similar (at least initially) happened with a plane that nose-dived into the Everglades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592) several years ago: the whole thing was essentially swallowed by the swamp, with practically no floating debris and almost no visible impact crater.

Other cases have had planes going down in thick jungles that literally close back in over them, making the wrecks extremely difficult to find.

What if it went down into land-locked water? I'm not overly familiar with all of the geography of the area, but if one of the following happened, it would be pretty hard to find (due to the lack of obvious debris fields and craters/fire):

1) Pilot attempts to put down into a remote lake for whatever reason, plane shreds like that Ethiopian highjacking. By now the debris would likely all be pushed to the shores making it even harder to find.
2) Plane explodes over the jungle, debris rains down into dense bush which basically just absorbs it.
3) Combo of 1 & 2, plane explodes and debris lands mostly in lakes.

edit: after reading that wiki article on ValuJet 592, if it went down nose first into the jungle, you'd have a hell of a time finding it unless someone witnessed it.

[CP.AR]

Malaysia Air saying they are considering the possibility of a turn back and hostage situation.

At this point, I don't know what to think of anymore.

http://i.imgur.com/v5WcgwC.png

Apparently, this is the area that the plane would've been able to travel to

that is IF it remained at cruising altitude which it probably didn't considering the fact that it fell off radar

[underscore]

that is IF it remained at cruising altitude which it probably didn't considering the fact that it fell off radar

Possibly a stupid question, but could it have gone higher? I'm assuming cruising height isn't the max altitude, is there a cutoff height for radar?

edit: according to Sky News: "Vietnam has confirmed it is sending helicopters to check a floating "yellow object" that it is thought could be a life raft from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane."

edit 2: "Civil aviation officials in Vietnam say the yellow object spotted floating in the sea is not a life raft from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight."

[EmperorIS]

BREAKING: Report: Vietnam Helicopters To Check Sighting of Possible Life Raft From Missing Jet

[Harvey Specter]

Possibly a stupid question, but could it have gone higher? I'm assuming cruising height isn't the max altitude, is there a cutoff height for radar?

edit: according to Sky News: "Vietnam has confirmed it is sending helicopters to check a floating "yellow object" that it is thought could be a life raft from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane."

edit 2: "Civil aviation officials in Vietnam say the yellow object spotted floating in the sea is not a life raft from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight."

Max altitude really depends on weight, winds and surrounding traffic. Pilot would have requested an altitude increase if he needed to go higher.

[iEatClams]

I believe the Air france, brazil to france crash in 2009 took 2 years for the plane to be found. this might be one of those situations where we wont know for a long time.

[underscore]

BREAKING: Report: Vietnam Helicopters To Check Sighting of Possible Life Raft From Missing Jet

Confirmed it isn't a life raft :(

[Ball.J.Inder]

Could it be possible that hijackers have forced the plane to land in areas familiar to many terrorist organizations such as Southern Philippines and parts of Indonesia, Malaysia, or even Burma?

Maybe if that did happened they have the plane and hostages hidden somewhere and are extorting the Airline Company, Malay Government or someone else for ransom or other reasons?

[rsx]

Very unlikely, air traffic controllers would know if a huge plane is going to land in an airport that has a big enough runway.

I'd say it's almost certainly crashed and we won't know for a while what really happened.

[bballguy]

Could it be possible that hijackers have forced the plane to land in areas familiar to many terrorist organizations such as Southern Philippines and parts of Indonesia, Malaysia, or even Burma?

Maybe if that did happened they have the plane and hostages hidden somewhere and are extorting the Airline Company, Malay Government or someone else for ransom or other reasons?

yeah, definitely.


https://i.imgflip.com/26am.jpg

[4444]

If your passport was stolen, how long would it take you to notice and then report it? It's not like the passport gets flagged the instant someone steals it.

italian and austiran passports stolen in Thailand, i'm going to assume they were owned by vacationers or at least people who would need their passport on a more than regular basis - so pretty soon.

just so you know, most people in the world cross borders, i ALWAYS know where my passport is, as i usually need it on a bimonthly basis, especially if i'm travelling with it, i'll always know where it is.

so to answer your questions - days at most.

and, interpol knew about the stolen passports, so not even sure why you're trying to argue a point

[CP.AR]

Could it be possible that hijackers have forced the plane to land in areas familiar to many terrorist organizations such as Southern Philippines and parts of Indonesia, Malaysia, or even Burma?

Maybe if that did happened they have the plane and hostages hidden somewhere and are extorting the Airline Company, Malay Government or someone else for ransom or other reasons?

it's not easy to hide the sights and sounds of a 200 ton airplane

[Harvey Specter]

Asked to clarify the appearance of passengers on stolen passports, Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman bizarrely suggested they looked like the black Italian footballer Mario Balotelli.

[rsx]

Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.

http://avherald.com/img/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_2.jpg

Crash: Malaysia B772 over Gulf of Thailand on Mar 8th 2014, aircraft missing (http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0)

[maksimizer]

There were two ukranians and a russian on the plane......
Just saying

[4444]

Asked to clarify the appearance of passengers on stolen passports, Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman bizarrely suggested they looked like the black Italian footballer Mario Balotelli.

and yet the true stolen italian passport owner is white, guess they could add a new photo (not sure how easy that is), but still

it's all so weird

[yray]

HF worked lol

80nm from ho chi Minh and on a low airway... Why didn't they report to ho,chi Minh :\

[underscore]

^ not in range yet from the sounds of it.

Apparently they've ID'd one of the people who used a stolen passport.

italian and austiran passports stolen in Thailand, i'm going to assume they were owned by vacationers or at least people who would need their passport on a more than regular basis - so pretty soon.

just so you know, most people in the world cross borders, i ALWAYS know where my passport is, as i usually need it on a bimonthly basis, especially if i'm travelling with it, i'll always know where it is.

so to answer your questions - days at most.

and, interpol knew about the stolen passports, so not even sure why you're trying to argue a point

I was initially under the impression that they had been recently stolen, in which case days or even hours are long enough to use the passport to get somewhere. Since they had been stolen 18 months before it seems pretty weak that they didn't get caught using them.

[hud 91gt]

I'm sorry, but this article just screams "written by someone with no concept of technology". Just because the author thinks it should be possible, doesn't mean it is possible. You might be able to get wifi on a domestic flight, but I doubt both the ability for a system like this to work in an area such as this, and the difficulty in getting the tech into the field in large-scale use.



Once again. I can probably say I am one of few people on this board that actually has enough experience to know a little bit of what is going on. I fly the things, I should know. I've seen a few crash sites up close and personal. I've seen debris fields, and carnage an aircraft can do to solid earth. I have many colleagues/friends that have passed away (I count 10, from 3 different incidents from 737's to 172's).

The technology in aviation is decades behind the rest of the world. If you don't think there is technology to send information via satellite back to a home base you are so wrong. It just costs money. If anyone has used a Satellite phone in the bush, you know what it costs. Most overseas aircraft have them nowadays. Thankfully the airline I work for is in the process of installing sat/gps on the last few overseas aircraft we have, so we at least have some sort on communication throughout the flight. We use it every day. I will use it today when I fly to Tokyo. The next step is to get it to automatically send GPS coordinates and system information back to home base. Our dispatch office has the ability to follow our aircraft on their computer screen. Why is this not implemented everywhere?

General aviation, recreational snowmobilers, backcountry skiers use a device called "Spot". It is basically a GPS transmitter, which sends GPS coordinates back home every few minutes. Anyone with the correct web address can follow their loved one, and get an update every few minutes. Did I mention this thing is like ~$100? Why is this not implemented everywhere? Rules and regulations are decades behind…..

[PeanutButter]

^That spot trace device is pretty cool.

I will definitely look into getting one

Here is the link for their website;
http://www.findmespot.ca/en/

[Soundy]

General aviation, recreational snowmobilers, backcountry skiers use a device called "Spot". It is basically a GPS transmitter, which sends GPS coordinates back home every few minutes. Anyone with the correct web address can follow their loved one, and get an update every few minutes. Did I mention this thing is like ~$100? Why is this not implemented everywhere? Rules and regulations are decades behind…..
Regs aside, what's to stop one of the flight crew from just tossing one of these things in their travel bag or even in a pocket when they board for their shift?

[hud 91gt]

Nothing, except their wallet. Oh and Transport Canada's law of turning off all sending and receiving devices :p

The reality of it is. The point of an airline is not to get people safely from point A to B. It is a business. It is there to make money. The execs, and the share holders. Sure, an impeccable safety record probably means this money can continue to come in for a long period of time. But life is all about risk management. Technology is there to increase safety, but this is going to cost money. The airlines themselves will not push to increase regulations, as that would cost money. That is the job of the worlds governing bodies. The governing bodies won't change the regulations until something horrible happens. Generally costing the lives of good people. Perhaps something like this incident.

I don't have a fancy degree, just a college diploma from a tiny little college. But it doesn't take a whole lot of book smarts to figure this out. The technology is there. Someone has to act on it.

For those scared of flying. This is not here to scare or intimidate anyone. It's just a fact of life, that can be seen in any industry. Flying is incredibly safe. I wouldn't do it if it wasn't. But there is always room for improvement, and it's in everyones dreams that it could be perfect. I'm happy to say, I am very comfortable in the work atmosphere that I am in. I feel safe, and fairly well regulated. The fact of the matter is. It could be even better.

[iEatClams]

if what you say is true, then I hope technology does catch up, but I have a feeling that will take at least a decade before any real change happens? I just hope the airlines act faster than that. Also most likely those fees will be passed on to consumers.

We also have to keep in mind that in a lot of rural or poor countries they may not be able to afford such technologies perhaps.

[Dragon-88]

I wonder how many businesses out there are still running off of Windows XP.

[Hondaracer]

Wrong thread

[xpl0sive]

I know it's been dabbled on in other threads but I'd appreciate if anyone has any input as the best way to upgrade to business class?

The flight in question will be the second leg of our trip to Paris from Toronto to CDG

On that leg we will be playing on air Canada's A330-300

Is it best to try the day we arrive in Toronto, when we board the first leg in Vamcouver? Or right at the gate?
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lol wat

[lowside67]

I find it absolutely unbelievable that an aircraft can just "vanish" in this day and age, it's straight out of a movie. So much tracking, so much info, and yet just vanish. Amazing.

[bballguy]

I know it's been dabbled on in other threads but I'd appreciate if anyone has any input as the best way to upgrade to business class?

The flight in question will be the second leg of our trip to Paris from Toronto to CDG

On that leg we will be playing on air Canada's A330-300

Is it best to try the day we arrive in Toronto, when we board the first leg in Vamcouver? Or right at the gate?
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Relevant Randy over here...

[Soundy]

Part of the "problem", if you want to look at it that way, is also that in the complex systems that you're dealing with here, you can't just chuck in the latest tech and let'er rip. It's not like your car where you can just rip out your stock tape deck and hook a new DVD nav system. New tech has to be tested extensively to ensure it won't cause problems with other, more critical systems... that it will work reliably itself (nothing like putting in a new system "that will save lives" and then have to explain afterward that it didn't work because of something nobody thought of before)... so on, and so forth.

Then once you've perfected it, the various regulatory bodies have to test it again to their own satisfaction, and sign off on it.

By that time you're into it to for major coin, not just for your own R&D, but for the regulatory testing (oh yes, the manufacturer pays for all that too). Now you have to try to sell it to the airlines for a high enough price to cover your own costs, and they have to factor in their own costs to install it in their fleet as well.

Like hud says, now risk management comes into it for the airline - if you're the airline, you're thinking sure, it MAY let me track and find a plane that mysteriously disappears from radar, but how often do planes simply vanish into thin air? We have a half-dozen governments now looking for that plane, those search costs aren't coming out of my pocket, so what's my incentive to pay for this gadget? Besides, even if it does help me find the wreckage, the plane is still down; I still have to replace it.

Somewhere down the road, regulators MAY require it to be installed, but at that point the tech is probably a half-dozen years old or more, which the way things advance today makes it pretty much ancient compared to what you can buy off the shelf at Wal-Mart.

[Hondaracer]

Relevant Randy over here...

Lol sorry I thought I was in the airplane thread
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[hud 91gt]

Sounds speaks the truth. I'd thank but I'm mobile.
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[bballguy]

Sounds speaks the truth. I'd thank but I'm mobile.
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wut

[lowside67]

wut
He is agreeing with soundy, two posts earlier, but can't thank the post because there is no thank/fail function on mobile. Not exactly rocket science.

Mark

[Infiniti]

Still nothing! Not even a toilet seat, a panel of sorts or a seat cushion. Really eerie feeling..

[4444]

wut

god the density of some people!

'wut' do you think (and well explained above)

[Amuse]

Could it be possible that hijackers have forced the plane to land in areas familiar to many terrorist organizations such as Southern Philippines and parts of Indonesia, Malaysia, or even Burma?

Maybe if that did happened they have the plane and hostages hidden somewhere and are extorting the Airline Company, Malay Government or someone else for ransom or other reasons? What I have thought too.

[bballguy]

god the density of some people!

'wut' do you think (and well explained above)

wut

[Soundy]

I was going to add an example to that post, and forgot: we recently installed a GPS fleet tracking system into some brand new Hino delivery trucks - they transmit the truck's location via 3G service. Followed the GPS manufacturer's instructions for wiring them in and placing them (they even had specific wiring instructions for these trucks, showing what wires to tie into).

In the first truck, because of differences in the under-dash layout, the receiver had to be mounted close to the vehicle's ECU... took a lot of phone troubleshooting with both the GPS manufacturer and Hino techs to figure out that the 3G signal was causing the trucks to intermittently not start properly, and relocating the receiver by a foot or so cleared it up.

So... yeah. This is why extensive testing and re-testing must be done to certify tech for use on a plane... and re-done for every different design of plane.

[shawnly1000]

DigitalGlobe Launches Crowdsourcing Campaign to Find Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet in Satellite Images | Seeing a Better World? (http://www.digitalglobeblog.com/2014/03/10/missingmalayairjet/?sf23717677=1)

[shenmecar]

I wonder how many businesses out there are still running off of Windows XP.

I am currently working on a school project with a rep from Siemens. Actually, he is working on another project for my school but my project is somewhat similar so I go bug the Siemens rep and ask for help. He was giving me a tutorial on how to use the Siemens software running on his computer with Win XP and the first question I asked him was why was it on Win XP.

This is because Windows XP is proven to work as expected. Since it is an aging OS, most companies know all there is to know about it when they develop their software, making their software as robust as possible.

I was surprised actually, I would've expected a multi-billion dollar company that has operates in all things electronics to be up to date on the OS. The Siemens rep told me they're slowly adapting to Windows 7 now. But as of now, they still use Win XP.

[m3thods]

There are a lot of examples of legacy software use. Things like banking networks and ATMs are often on older OS's simply because, like shenmecar mentioned, it works/ed well enough to deploy to the thousands of devices that rely on said software.

Government computers are also notorious for it. IIRC, the US DOD just decided to move off of a special build of XP in favour of a custom UNIX/Linux OS.

For governments, there is a lot of red-tape/work involved with respect to hardware/software upgrades. Especially when sensitive work is involved, companies can often wait many years/software cycles before they're able to ensure that their required software works with a new OS.

[RiceIntegraRS]

i dont think anyone mentioned this as a scenario but maybe the US Navy or any other Navy intentionally/unintentionally shot it down and now there tryin to cover it up...
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[Hot Karl]

i dont think anyone mentioned this as a scenario but maybe the US Navy or any other Navy intentionally/unintentionally shot it down and now there tryin to cover it up...
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why would they cover it up? how would they do so? the us government isn't an all knowing all powerful entity.

so much logic fail in your post. as stated in this thread often times it can take years to find a crash site.

you don't accidentally shoot down a commercial airliner. you don't shoot it down on purpose because it's a complete non threat to US interests. it's not like this flight was flying over america.

but a weak minded individual will always seek the laziest scenario. oh the big bad evil gubberment done blowed dem up out der sky!

[shawnly1000]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZWQ3YOMtJaM/UEsnJKgjdkI/AAAAAAAACo0/miO-N7XEaFA/s320/black-kid-oh-snap.gif

[xXSupa]

you don't accidentally shoot down a commercial airliner.

China Southern Airlines Jet In Near Miss With North Korean Missile - TIME (http://time.com/13599/chinese-passenger-plane-near-hit-north-korean-missile/)

[hi-revs]

Could it be aliens opening up some sort of black hole into their world to learn about humans?
I can't really think of any other way

[jepho]

just saw this elsewhere, ships looking for the wreckage. Crazy
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3222585.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/Malaysia-Airline-crash-3222585.jpg

[StylinRed]

why would they cover it up? how would they do so? the us government isn't an all knowing all powerful entity.

but a weak minded individual will always seek the laziest scenario. oh the big bad evil gubberment done blowed dem up out der sky!

Well there was TWA flight 800 that everyone thinks US missiles brought it down and there was explosive residue found on the wreckage

and witnesses saw a fiery streak/s head upwards towards the plane before an explosion

this was back in '96 don't know the details precisely but in the end after a govt investigation it was found not to be true

but people who believe it was a missile strike say "well obviously they would say that" etc etc

It was a major topic back then and the US media wasn't so biased/pro america than it is now and they were actively entertaining the idea

anyway my point is there's no need to discount or dis RiceIntegraRS so fully
TWA Flight 800 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800#Live_missile_or_bomb_detonation)


I'm not saying he may be right at all btw

[v_tec]

You can join in to help look too! Warning: your computer better be able to handle it :okay:

Tomnod (http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014?source=abc)

DENVER – As the mystery of what happened to the 239 people on board Malaysia flight 370 deepens, a Colorado satellite imaging company is launching an effort to crowdsource the search, asking the public for help analyzing high-resolution images for any sign of the missing airliner.

Longmont, Colo.-based DigitalGlobe trained cameras from its five orbiting satellites Saturday on the Gulf of Thailand region where Malaysia flight 370 was last heard from, said Luke Barrington, senior manager of Geospatial Big Data for DigitalGlobe.

The images being gathered will be made available for free to the public on a website called Tomnod. Anyone can click on the link and begin searching the images, tagging anything that looks suspicious. Each pixel on a computer screen represents half a meter on the ocean’s surface, Barrington told ABC News.

“For people who aren’t able to drive a boat through the Pacific Ocean to get to the Malaysian peninsula, or who can’t fly airplanes to look there, this is a way that they can contribute and try to help out,” Barrington said.

[Soundy]

Could it be aliens opening up some sort of black hole into their world to learn about humans?
I can't really think of any other way

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[CP.AR]

They actually do have GPS tracking... Its called ADS-B.
Slowly being phased in. I think only Australia has any legal requirement for it right now.
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[Ball.J.Inder]

*sorry what I mean by hijackers landing it in another country I didn't mean at an obvious airport, I was thinking more of a private landing strip hidden in the jungle. There are semi-autonomous regions in SE Asia that are dominated by drug smugglers/terrorist/seperatist and as mentioned there are also alot of holes in radar coverage.

it's not easy to hide the sights and sounds of a 200 ton airplane

If it's a remote landing strip in the middle of the jungle then maybe..

[Hondaracer]

I'm no expert but I don't think a plane that size could escape every radar long enough to be able to land on some sort of private runway undetected?
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[v_tec]

I'm no expert but I don't think a plane that size could escape every radar long enough to be able to land on some sort of private runway undetected?
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Exactly.

If the military can detect a missile flying at their country (and even something as small as a bird), you just can't hide something like the size of a Boeing 777 from the sky.

:fulloffuck:

[Ball.J.Inder]

Radar isn't some magical all seeing eye, when 9/11 happened the FAA couldn't find some of the planes for a long time because they were flying low or w.e reason. And that was in the States where i'd assume there is more than enough radar coverage. And to compare a plane possibly flying low to a missile(i'm assuming you meant an ICBM) in the stratosphere is kind of 2 different things.


If radar is so perfect than why did the plane(and many other planes temporarily everyday) go missing in the first place? It's a piece of technology just like everything else. We'd assume just because we are in the city a cellphone tower can give us our 4G but does it work all the time? No, we might be underground, in the perfect spot for terrain to block reception, or a strange weather/solar occurance happening at the moment.

*of course ppl will fail my previous post because they are so smart that I have to explain a tiny meanigless comment with full follow on paragraphs

[Ch28]

i dont think anyone mentioned this as a scenario but maybe the US Navy or any other Navy intentionally/unintentionally shot it down and now there tryin to cover it up...
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http://i.imgur.com/RLxQBV5.gif

[edit] I'm in no way making fun of the kid in the gif.

[GotRice?]

u got that much planes flying on earth this second u can't really use a radar to track every one of them... especially one that is all of the sudden went missing without a trace...
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/850/hbco.jpg

[underscore]

I don't have a fancy degree, just a college diploma from a tiny little college. But it doesn't take a whole lot of book smarts to figure this out. The technology is there. Someone has to act on it.

Ok, so the tech exists, at least for ground use. I'm assuming it's fairly new, so even if they want to implement it in aircraft there's all the steps Soundy listed they need to get it through. Even if the governing bodies decided that this was going to be implemented, it's not going to happen with any sort of speed anyways. Since this would only make a plane easier to find, and not actually safer, by the time it could be implemented other things that actually improve safety will be employed and planes will be better still.

Besides, even if it does help me find the wreckage, the plane is still down; I still have to replace it.

Exactly, and this may sound harsh, but more likely than not everyone on that plane is dead regardless of whether you know where they died or not. Unless people are stealing planes or taking them for detours on the company dime (presumably why you would put these systems in trucks) the only use in the air would be to find a plane that disappeared. Using the existing systems, out of all the flights in the world, how many go missing? On top of that, the GPS systems still aren't going to be flawless. So if there's power failures or the plane explodes you're not going to get a signal from it. And then of the planes that do go missing for an extended period of time, how many have survivors? If you're searching for a hiker or snowmobiler you're looking for someone still alive, if a plane goes down in such a way that it can't be found, chances are pretty slim that anyone survived.

TL;DR - You're talking about adding an extremely expensive to implement system that would rarely be needed that doesn't actually make planes safer (since it would only help finding badly crashed planes), and could even make them less safe if they cause interference. That would be a hard sell to the airplane regulation makers IMO.

[Soundy]

Radar isn't some magical all seeing eye, when 9/11 happened the FAA couldn't find some of the planes for a long time because they were flying low or w.e reason. And that was in the States where i'd assume there is more than enough radar coverage.
Caught a news item this evening where they noted that RADAR (at least civilian RADAR) is generally only good to 120 miles or so... and aside from ship-board military systems, once a plane gets over water more than that distance from shore, it does essentially vanish from RADAR tracking and must rely on GPS tracking and radio or satellite position reporting to the tracking systems.

[Soundy]

They actually do have GPS tracking... Its called ADS-B.
Slowly being phased in. I think only Australia has any legal requirement for it right now.
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All planes have to use GPS tracking once they're outside RADAR range, the catch is relaying that position info back to the airport(s) and related entities. MapMyRun on your phone will do it, but it needs a data connection... WiFi and 4G won't work when you're out over the water, so you're relying either on satellite communication, or some form of packet radio... and then you're back to the long testing stages again, and the growing R&D costs.

[StylinRed]

So someone (in malaysia) who knows the two using stolen passports says they were trying to seek asylum in europe and their flight was simply stopping in china (based on a BBC investigation)

add to that they did book tickets to the netherlands when making their purchase

(was just on bbc)


Malaysian police/general? just confirmed they believe one of those with stolen passports is a 19yr old Iranian seeking asylum in Germany and he has no history of criminal activity/suspicions of terrorist ties


edit: they're certain thats what the kid was up to because his mother is in germany and contacted malaysia seeking information about him and provided the stolen passport info

[synchrocone]

Why are the cellphones of missing Malaysian Airlines passengers still ringing?

Why are the cellphones of missing Malaysian Airlines passengers still ringing? Relatives claim that smartphones are still active as the search zone now switches to entirely new area | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578020/Why-cellphones-missing-Malaysian-Airlines-passengers-ringing-Family-members-claim-loved-ones-smartphones-active.html)

[bballguy]

Either follow the thread, or don't post in it....

[CP.AR]

All planes have to use GPS tracking once they're outside RADAR range, the catch is relaying that position info back to the airport(s) and related entities. MapMyRun on your phone will do it, but it needs a data connection... WiFi and 4G won't work when you're out over the water, so you're relying either on satellite communication, or some form of packet radio... and then you're back to the long testing stages again, and the growing R&D costs.


I'm not talking about Wifi and 4G, ADS-B information is transferred via VHF frequencies. sure there are holes in VHF coverage over the ocean (which is why transoceanic flights still use HF and CPDLC), but automatic position reporting in lieu of traditional radar means is definitely not non-existent.

[boostfever]

BBC News - Malaysia Airlines MH370: Stolen passport 'no terror link' (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26525281)

[StylinRed]

BBC News - Malaysia Airlines MH370: Stolen passport 'no terror link' (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26525281)

suck it bigots

(now the bigots will call for us to not jump to conclusions and see how this turns out)

[SpeedStars]

I'm not sure if this was posted here or not, but the results for the oil slicks actually turned out to be regular cargo ship fuel which now raises more questions because if a plane were to crash in the water, oil rises up to the surface of the water and would be visible...however, theres still no signs of anything...

[1exotic]

It was definitely hijacked and then rerouted to land somewhere in the middle east