[bballguy]

Remember when it was "confirmed" that the plane was hijacked? lulz...

[Klondike]

^ Many news agencies simply reported rumors as fact. Lazy journalism at its best.

[StylinRed]

Australia just said everything is just speculation at this point and offered visas to family members if they wanted to travel to Australia

China has demanded to see the latest sat analysis that caused Malaysia to make their earlier statement

sounds like nations are going wtf :fulloffuck: malaysia? over that "confirmation"

[shawnly1000]

?F*ck It, Let?s Go Nuts!? Stewart Tears Apart CNN for MH370 Coverage | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fck-it-lets-go-nuts-stewart-tears-apart-cnn-for-mh370-coverage/)

[vafanculo]

They should have just been honest (if they really are clueless) and said:

We can't find the plane. This is life and stuff happens that can't always be accounted for. We believe everyone on board is dead until further notice, and so should you, but with the reality being they probably are. Sorry - Malaysia airlines
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[Harvey Specter]

I don't think the families will ever get closure. There's going to be a lot unanswered questions regarding this crash and I think the families will be fighting the Malaysian officials in form of lawsuits for years to come for answers.

[4444]

I don't think the families will ever get closure. There's going to be a lot unanswered questions regarding this crash and I think the families will be fighting the Malaysian officials in form of lawsuits for years to come for answers.

i disagree, they will find the plane, they will find the black box, and they will know what happened.

i'm not sure why they'd sue Malaysian officials, they'll all get insurance pay outs from Malaysian Airlines, and unless the Malaysian authorities did something fraudulent or wrong, i'm not sure you can sue for being a bit disorganized or because of some really, really odd occurrence (this definitely falls into that category)

it will take time (didn't it take 2 years to figure out Air France crash - so expect longer than that), but the investigation won't stop until it is figured out so that it can never happen again.
that's the one great thing about flying, if anything goes wrong, investigations will find out exactly what went wrong and put in a fail safe to ensure it can't happen again, or more training, or whatever it is that's required.

I just think this whole situation was handled badly, I don't necessarily think anyone has been malicious with what has and what hasn't been released or said, maybe just stupid

[v_tec]

Even MAS' status and 24th media statement used the word "ASSUME"

We deeply regret that we have to assume that ‪#‎MH370‬ ended in the southern Indian Ocean. We humbly offer our sincere thoughts, prayers and condolences to everyone affected by this tragedy -

Tuesday, March 25, 12:30 AM MYT +0800 Malaysia Airlines MH370 Flight Incident - Media Statement 24
It is with deep sadness that Malaysia Airlines earlier this evening had to confirm to the families of those on board Flight MH370 that it must now be assumed the flight had been lost. As the Prime Minister said, respect for the families is essential at this difficult time. And it is in that spirit that we informed the majority of the families in advance of the Prime Minister’s statement in person and by telephone. SMSs were used only as an additional means of communicating with the families. Those families have been at the heart of every action the company has taken since the flight disappeared on 8th March and they will continue to be so. When Malaysia Airlines receives approval from the investigating authorities, arrangements will be made to bring the families to the recovery area and until that time, we will continue to support the ongoing investigation.

I totally understand the chance of survival after so many days is slim, and almost next to none.
But at least give us some solid evidence that the plane crashed into southern Indian Ocean.

:fulloffuck:

[Harvey Specter]

i disagree, they will find the plane, they will find the black box, and they will know what happened.

i'm not sure why they'd sue Malaysian officials, they'll all get insurance pay outs from Malaysian Airlines, and unless the Malaysian authorities did something fraudulent or wrong, i'm not sure you can sue for being a bit disorganized or because of some really, really odd occurrence (this definitely falls into that category)

it will take time (didn't it take 2 years to figure out Air France crash - so expect longer than that), but the investigation won't stop until it is figured out so that it can never happen again.
that's the one great thing about flying, if anything goes wrong, investigations will find out exactly what went wrong and put in a fail safe to ensure it can't happen again, or more training, or whatever it is that's required.

I just think this whole situation was handled badly, I don't necessarily think anyone has been malicious with what has and what hasn't been released or said, maybe just stupid

The AF crash was much different compared to this crash. Not only did this crash occur in one of the most remote parts of the world but they still haven't recovered any wreckage so they really have no clue where the final resting place is for the plane. Also the overall ocean depth is much greater than it was in the AF crash and the people who lead the AF recovery have said publicly that it's going to be a monumental task to recover the MH plane.

And in regards to payouts, I believe the max payout set by a treaty is something like $175,000 per passenger. After that the families can sue the airline because ultimately the airline is responsible for the crash unless they can prove otherwise which is near impossible. So for example if it's terrorism related than lawsuits can argue lax security, etc... which would put blame on the airline. Not only is MH going to have legal issues but if it's determined that the engines or another part on the aircraft failed than the families can and will most likely sue the respected manufacturers.

Most of these lawsuits will likely be filled in US because US jury's will hand out larger amounts of money and talking about lawsuits related to plane crashes, there's still lawsuits pending from the AF crash in Toronto from a few years ago and there was no lost of life so this MH incident will probably drag on for years to come in court.


Edit:


David KaminskiMorrow ‏@FlightDKM

Investigators' analysis of frequency change from #MH370, showing better fit with southern zone than northern.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjkaN3pCcAAGjvK.jpg:large

[4444]

The AF crash was much different compared to this crash. Not only did this crash occur in one of the most remote parts of the world but they still haven't recovered any wreckage so they really have no clue where the final resting place is for the plane. Also the overall ocean depth is much greater than it was in the AF crash and the people who lead the AF recovery have said publicly that it's going to be a monumental task to recover the MH plane.

And in regards to payouts, I believe the max payout set by a treaty is something like $175,000 per passenger. After that the families can sue the airline because ultimately the airline is responsible for the crash unless they can prove otherwise which is near impossible. So for example if it's terrorism related than lawsuits can argue lax security, etc... which would put blame on the airline. Not only is MH going to have legal issues but if it's determined that the engines or another part on the aircraft failed than the families can and will most likely sue the respected manufacturers.

Most of these lawsuits will likely be filled in US because US jury's will hand out larger amounts of money and talking about lawsuits related to plane crashes, there's still lawsuits pending from the AF crash in Toronto from a few years ago and there was no lost of life so this MH incident will probably drag on for years to come in court.


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David KaminskiMorrow ‏@FlightDKM

Investigators' analysis of frequency change from #MH370, showing better fit with southern zone than northern.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjkaN3pCcAAGjvK.jpg:large

right, but before you were talking about suing the Malaysian officials - which is it, Malaysian officials or Malaysian Airlines? One is a set of government officials, the other a corporation...

i totally agree with you that they'll sue the airline and any other corporation involved that is shown to be negligent, especially as juries have less problem finding against 'evil' corps, but the gov? good luck suing a government! Not sure you can attest any blame to the gov.

I think we just have a miscommunication here.

[Harvey Specter]

Yah, miscommunication but I'm sure you'll see lawsuits against the Malaysian government and who knows you might even see individuals getting sued. Whether or not they'll win is another question but it might just be for the sake of making a point.

And talk about conflict of interest, the Malaysian government is the majority share holders of MH so it'll be interesting to see how the lawsuits are handled. You can't blame China and some of the families for been skeptical with the information been fed by Malaysian officials and suspecting there might be some sort of coverup.

[Soundy]

:facepalm:

So let see if I follow all this:

The satellite system "handshakes" with the plane once per hour.
The COMPANY WHO RUNS THE SATELLITE SYSTEM (who you'd think would know their shit) has figured out two possible flight corridors based on their handshake data, and then narrowed it down to the southern one.
From this, they've determined the location of the plane the last time it pinged.
That area is some FOUR HOURS flying time from the nearest land, meaning if it HAD made it to land, there should have been at least four more handshakes.


So what's so hard about accepting the VERY HIGH PROBABILITY that the plane went down in the ocean?

Add to this that the debris that HAS been spotted, turning up in approximately the same area pointed to by the satellite data... plus the statement that given the winds and tides, it would probably have drifted around 60km in the last two weeks (meaning, not that far against the scale of the ocean).

As far as people getting pissed off at the gov't for making the announcement... please, you think if they were full of shit and jumping the gun on their statement, you wouldn't hear from a bunch of other searchers and investigators stepping up and saying, "Wait a minute, that's not what we said..."??

To the assertion the Malaysian gov't is just making shit up because they look bad otherwise: and how does it look then, if they take this guess and then turn out to be wrong?

Besides, this might be a valid claim if they were the only ones looking... but there are a dozen or more different militaries and international search organizations looking as well - Australia's navy is the most involved at the moment because the presumed crash location is nearest their coast (and still four hours' flying time out to sea). The fact that NONE OF THESE OTHER OUTFITS have found anything concrete... "looks bad" on the Malaysian government and not on anyone else???

I get the idea that people don't fully grasp the vastness of the area involved - one report this morning said the search area is ABOUT THE SIZE OF NEW BRUNSWICK... and currently experiencing heavy rain and gale force winds. And it makes people "look bad" because they can't find a few floating scraps of a plane?

they will find the plane, they will find the black box, and they will know what happened
Really? And how do you figure that?

The Flight Data Recorder, IF it retains enough data, will only give information about the plane's actual route, what controls were being operated, basic stuff like that. It won't tell anyone WHY things happened they way they did... and the Cockpit Voice Recorder holds only the last, what, half hour or so of voice data? If, as suspected, the pilots were unconscious... all it will give up is silence right up until the sound of the plane hitting the ocean.

Fuck, people wanting to "blame" gov't and airline officials for all sorts of shit, but meantime people just keep blabbering on their wild theories based on bits and pieces of information they get from the news, just to hear themselves talk. Which is worse?

[4444]

Really? And how do you figure that?

The Flight Data Recorder, IF it retains enough data, will only give information about the plane's actual route, what controls were being operated, basic stuff like that. It won't tell anyone WHY things happened they way they did... and the Cockpit Voice Recorder holds only the last, what, half hour or so of voice data? If, as suspected, the pilots were unconscious... all it will give up is silence right up until the sound of the plane hitting the ocean.

Fuck, people wanting to "blame" gov't and airline officials for all sorts of shit, but meantime people just keep blabbering on their wild theories based on bits and pieces of information they get from the news, just to hear themselves talk. Which is worse?
blackbox has plenty of information on it - it will be able to tell you a lot about the story, and then smart people will be able to figure out what happened.

you really think we'll just say 'fuck it, too hard to find the black box... sorry people, you'll never know what happened' - won't happen.

[underscore]

:facepalm:

So let see if I follow all this:

The satellite system "handshakes" with the plane once per hour.
The COMPANY WHO RUNS THE SATELLITE SYSTEM (who you'd think would know their shit) has figured out two possible flight corridors based on their handshake data, and then narrowed it down to the southern one.
From this, they've determined the location of the plane the last time it pinged.
That area is some FOUR HOURS flying time from the nearest land, meaning if it HAD made it to land, there should have been at least four more handshakes.


Earlier they were saying that it was more likely to be in the Northern corridor, and they haven't figured out an exact location unless things have changed. If it went south, it would've hit water, but if it went north it could've hit land.

Add to this that the debris that HAS been spotted, turning up in approximately the same area pointed to by the satellite data... plus the statement that given the winds and tides, it would probably have drifted around 60km in the last two weeks (meaning, not that far against the scale of the ocean).

Debris in an ocean full of junk and debris. Just because they found some crap in the ocean (I believe it was some pallets?) along that corridor doesn't really mean much unless it can be proven to be part of MH370. And again, the sat data mapped a HUGE corridor the plane could be in.

The Flight Data Recorder, IF it retains enough data, will only give information about the plane's actual route, what controls were being operated, basic stuff like that. It won't tell anyone WHY things happened they way they did... and the Cockpit Voice Recorder holds only the last, what, half hour or so of voice data? If, as suspected, the pilots were unconscious... all it will give up is silence right up until the sound of the plane hitting the ocean.

The FDR on this plane is supposed to hold a lot more data than the flight time of the airplane, so if it's found and it wasn't disabled or damaged we'll at least get that info. The CVR only holds ~2 hours so we definitely won't find out what happened when the plane disappeared. Even if somebody was flying it, I would assume they would have the foresight to not speak while flying so chances are it won't hold much.

[RRxtar]

From my research (watching Mayday on discovery channel, lol) the FDR records like, fucking everything, anytime a button is pushed or knob is turned, as well as all data from the aircraft itself.

[fobulaus]

?F*ck It, Let?s Go Nuts!? Stewart Tears Apart CNN for MH370 Coverage | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fck-it-lets-go-nuts-stewart-tears-apart-cnn-for-mh370-coverage/)

Am I the only one who can't stream that link because I'm not from the US?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krFN7jHKNNo

[JSALES]

Am I the only one who can't stream that link because I'm not from the US?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krFN7jHKNNo

It worked for me earlier but when I tried watching it again, it wouldn't play

[red_2]

Am I the only one who can't stream that link because I'm not from the US?



Video didn't work for me either. Thanks for posting this. I love it when John goes off on his rants. :rofl:

[StylinRed]

Colbert made fun as well the other night pretty much in exactly the same way

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

just to give you guys insight on what the indian ocean is like

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=509193159192670&set=vb.501854656593187

[Eatman]

^
here's one of the fb replies about the vid

Puneet Nagi Firstly, this video has nothing to do with the MH370 search. Its unfortunately a distasteful effort by some individual to increase the hits on his youtube video by stating that its a part of the MH 370 search.
Also, being a ex-sailor and now a pilot, there is nothing really scary about this video, as its a normal day out at sea . Its seems more dramatic, as the smaller the ship, the more it gets tossed about, which is something its built to endure.
The current search operation for MH 370 is being carried out by military ships and aircrafts, manned by individuals who are trained to endure a lot more severe conditions than the one depicted in this video. And lastly, if you look at the weather data for the search area, it currently has calm seas.
I didn't want to be a kill joy, but at the same time don't want people to be mislead by such videos.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol it's supposed to let people know what the indian sea can be like

some ppl have no idea what the sea can be like

[rsx]

They should've just deployed drones and spy planes all over the area, taken pictures/live feed for further analysis and then sent actual people out. Bet that would've been cheaper and more efficient.

If they did spot anything, the drones should've been equipped with buoys to 'mark' the search zone.

/cpthindsight

[supremematt85]

They should've just deployed drones and spy planes all over the area, taken pictures/live feed for further analysis and then sent actual people out. Bet that would've been cheaper and more efficient.

If they did spot anything, the drones should've been equipped with buoys to 'mark' the search zone.

/cpthindsight

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. "drones" "spyplanes" do you think this is some call of duty game.

[Ball.J.Inder]

They should've just deployed drones and spy planes all over the area, taken pictures/live feed for further analysis and then sent actual people out. Bet that would've been cheaper and more efficient.

If they did spot anything, the drones should've been equipped with buoys to 'mark' the search zone.

/cpthindsight

Just because it's a drone doesn't mean it'll be able to cover more than a search plane with ppl staring out the window? How is it cheaper, you still have to maintain and fuel the drones like any other aircraft? And the reason they send ppl is because debris looks pretty much all the same from the sky and ppl are sent to get a closer look.

[underscore]

Just because it's a drone doesn't mean it'll be able to cover more than a search plane with ppl staring out the window? How is it cheaper, you still have to maintain and fuel the drones like any other aircraft? And the reason they send ppl is because debris looks pretty much all the same from the sky and ppl are sent to get a closer look.

And as we've already seen, spotted debris without people around to pick it up ASAP (ie via satellite) seems to result in the debris disappearing.

[nah]

And as we've already seen, spotted debris without people around to pick it up ASAP (ie via satellite) seems to result in the debris disappearing.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4_jyevagMLU/T-2eXMVntUI/AAAAAAAAAHU/WiNgEuM_lbc/s1600/aliens.jpg

[CharlesInCharge]

Kevin Barret speculates the U.S. remotely hijacked the plane because of radar workers going to China. 18:30 + minute mark
_youtube.com/watch?v=B9XZV4vxjtU

[tarobbt]

New update, looks like this is it. :tears:

A Thai satellite has detected about 300 objects floating in the Indian Ocean near the search area for the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner.

Anond Snidvongs, director of Thailand's space technology development agency, said Thursday the images showed "300 objects of various sizes" in the southern Indian Ocean about 2,700 kilometres southwest of Perth.

Most likely the debris field unless another ship somehow sank nearby.

[rsx]

Just because it's a drone doesn't mean it'll be able to cover more than a search plane with ppl staring out the window? How is it cheaper, you still have to maintain and fuel the drones like any other aircraft? And the reason they send ppl is because debris looks pretty much all the same from the sky and ppl are sent to get a closer look.

I believe flight time drones can have a longer standby time. Also, it's a handful of eyes looking into the ocean for 2 hours, there's human error and eye strain involved. With drones' live feed/ various flir and other sensors it's much more superior plus, if its captured it can easily crowd source the search.

The debris looks the same because they're from satellite shots. If you have drones overhead, they can fly closer in without the risk of life. Plus, they can run overlap on search grids too.

I'm not saying don't use people. I'm saying they could've existing technology to facilitate a faster search, and the only reason they're not is because of national security (drone capabilities, etc)

[4444]

New update, looks like this is it. :tears:



Most likely the debris field unless another ship somehow sank nearby.

i think it's time we find it and get closure for the families - it's obvious by now that it went down, most likely off Australia, why? we don't know, but i'm glad we're going to eventually get answers, and as said, more importantly, closure for the families

i do feel for them, having hope is the worst thing in times like this, as in reality, we all knew it was gone... the roller coaster ride these poor people went through, my heart goes out to them

[underscore]

i think it's time we find it

You say that like they've been stalling intentionally.

Oh right, they have.

[Mr.HappySilp]

i think it's time we find it and get closure for the families - it's obvious by now that it went down, most likely off Australia, why? we don't know, but i'm glad we're going to eventually get answers, and as said, more importantly, closure for the families

i do feel for them, having hope is the worst thing in times like this, as in reality, we all knew it was gone... the roller coaster ride these poor people went through, my heart goes out to them

Is hard for the family for sure, but I think most news media is making it way worse than it is........

[AzNightmare]

New update, looks like this is it. :tears:



Most likely the debris field unless another ship somehow sank nearby.

OK. I'll patiently wait for the images of the "300 objects of various sizes" that were conveniently not shown anywhere.

:pokerface:

[supremematt85]

I believe flight time drones can have a longer standby time. Also, it's a handful of eyes looking into the ocean for 2 hours, there's human error and eye strain involved. With drones' live feed/ various flir and other sensors it's much more superior plus, if its captured it can easily crowd source the search.

The debris looks the same because they're from satellite shots. If you have drones overhead, they can fly closer in without the risk of life. Plus, they can run overlap on search grids too.

I'm not saying don't use people. I'm saying they could've existing technology to facilitate a faster search, and the only reason they're not is because of national security (drone capabilities, etc)

Longer flight time doesn't mean jack shit if they can't even get to the search area. Drones have an average range of 1000 miles. Basically 500 miles 1 way then 500 miles the other. It would barely get to the search area before turning back. You clearly have no idea regarding the technology of drones and their limitations. This is real life, not mission impossible/James bond/call of duty.
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[Soundy]

i think it's time we find it and get closure for the families - it's obvious by now that it went down, most likely off Australia, why? we don't know, but i'm glad we're going to eventually get answers, and as said, more importantly, closure for the families
I think they're more concerned with finding it soon, before the locator beacons on the flight recorders run out of battery power. Closure is fine and dandy and can happen eventually, but they have barely two weeks to find the black boxes before they may never be able to find them, and never get closer to figuring out what happened... and then what closure will anyone have?

[Harvey Specter]

Supposedly a MH technician told some reporter that the batteries on the pinger on all MH planes were not stored properly and were stored in high temp/high humidity which would decrease the battery life from 30 days to 15 days. He also said he had most of the batteries replaced in the aircraft's but the work was slow and doesn't know if the batteries were replaced on MH370.

[Infiniti]

I would argue that the only bit of good news at this point is the fact that Australian authorities are now--to a certain extent--spearheading the search operations. I have a lot more confidence in the Aussie's ability to effectively manage and conduct a fruitful search and recovery operation as opposed to Malaysia's.

At this point, if the weather doesn't run a muck in the search area we should probably hear some good news in the coming days.

[tarobbt]

OK. I'll patiently wait for the images of the "300 objects of various sizes" that were conveniently not shown anywhere.

:pokerface:

Take a seat buddy. I will be sure to let China to know your next in line for pics and data.

[rsx]

Longer flight time doesn't mean jack shit if they can't even get to the search area. Drones have an average range of 1000 miles. Basically 500 miles 1 way then 500 miles the other. It would barely get to the search area before turning back. You clearly have no idea regarding the technology of drones and their limitations. This is real life, not mission impossible/James bond/call of duty.
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The Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk is an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) surveillance aircraft. It was initially designed by Ryan Aeronautical (now part of Northrop Grumman), and known as Tier II+ during development. In role and operational design, the Global Hawk is similar to the Lockheed U-2. The RQ-4 provides a broad overview and systematic surveillance using high resolution synthetic aperture radar (SAR) and long-range electro-optical/infrared (EO/IR) sensors with long loiter times over target areas. It can survey as much as 40,000 square miles (100,000 km2) of terrain a day.

[RRxtar]

^what kind of paper was the brochure on? Was it a 2 fold brochure, or more of a magazine style?

[RRxtar]

Good news! The spot they've been looking this week where they have confirmed it went down.... well now Australia is shifting the search about 1100kms north following another 'credible lead' and are searching an area that is 319,000 square kilometres. Which is about 1/3rd the size of BC. Good luck mate.

[jackmeister]

^what kind of paper was the brochure on? Was it a 2 fold brochure, or more of a magazine style?

Longer flight time doesn't mean jack shit if they can't even get to the search area. Drones have an average range of 1000 miles. Basically 500 miles 1 way then 500 miles the other. It would barely get to the search area before turning back. You clearly have no idea regarding the technology of drones and their limitations. This is real life, not mission impossible/James bond/call of duty.
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:suspicious: am I reading something wrong?

General Characteristics
Primary function: High-altitude, long-endurance ISR
Fuel Capacity: 17,300 pounds (7847 kilograms)
Payload: 3,000 pounds (1,360 kilograms)
Speed: 310 knots (357 mph)
Range: 8,700 nautical miles
Ceiling: 60,000 feet (18,288 meters)
Crew (remote): Three (LRE pilot, MCE pilot, and sensor operator)

(taken from US Air Force website)

According to news 2 hours ago, the search site is now 1150 miles from Perth, making the round trip 2300 miles. To be safe, count 3500 miles, which allows for around 5200 miles worth of gas to search the area in circles.

[jaguar604]

I think the only drone with that kind of range is the global hawk. I doubt they will devote a $100+ million drone for this kind of operation.

Manned craft are more numerous and cheaper to operate.

[rsx]

da fuq do i know, like 90% of people I'm an armchair SAR expert lol.

[Manic!]

I think the only drone with that kind of range is the global hawk. I doubt they will devote a $100+ million drone for this kind of operation.

Manned craft are more numerous and cheaper to operate.

One type of plane the US is using costs 200 mill each.

Boeing P-8 Poseidon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_P-8_Poseidon)

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/navy-sending-second-p-8-warplane-hunt-mh370-indian-ocean-n63866

Also who knows it a country is using drones, I think they would keep that a secret.

[CP.AR]

Canada has the same planes. We call them the aurora.
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[CRX SiR]

Canada has the same planes. We call them the aurora.
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You are thinking Orion. Poseidon's are brand new and based on the 737
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[jasonturbo]

Not that I can't appreciate the personal impact of this disaster, but I am so EFFFFFFFING sick of seeing this shit on CNN everyday.

"New debris" "New theory" "New Expert" etc... anything they can do to keep the story on the front page since there is nothing more interesting to write about. Scumbag news outlets.

[KingKaze]

Not that I can't appreciate the personal impact of this disaster, but I am so EFFFFFFFING sick of seeing this shit on CNN everyday.

"New debris" "New theory" "New Expert" etc... anything they can do to keep the story on the front page since there is nothing more interesting to write about. Scumbag news outlets.

Meanwhile in Russia...

[underscore]

Also who knows it a country is using drones, I think they would keep that a secret.

This, if they are using drones and found anything I would think they would secretly tell one of the conventional SAR teams to conveniently stumble across it.

[OrangeJuice]

Meanwhile in Russia...

Fuck Russia, we all know how it's going to go down. Russia keeps Crimea, EU sanctions fail because the oligarchs have so much cash in London and Paris, Putin lives happily ever after.

Meanwhile, everyone has ignored the huge motherfucking uprising in Venuzuela.

[underscore]

BREAKING NEWS: CNN confirmed to be a complete joke.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1jbdGCUAAOoXu.png

Some of the comments:

BREAKING: Flight Attendants on a Boeing 777 will struggle to keep the peace when they run out of diet coke

SUPER ULTRA BREAKING: Boeing 777 is made by Boeing

[Soundy]

BREAKING NEWS: CNN confirmed to be a complete joke.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1jbdGCUAAOoXu.png

Some of the comments:

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/a8/b2/a8b2f6_2423896.jpg

[m3thods]

^I have to admit, if the above facepalm pic was a Rorschach test, I'm definitely getting tagged as a sexual deviant.

The only thing I saw for a solid 5 mins was a dink and what appears to be relatively big balls.

[Soundy]

^I have to admit, if the above facepalm pic was a Rorschach test, I'm definitely getting tagged as a sexual deviant.

The only thing I saw for a solid 5 mins was a dink and what appears to be relatively big balls.

Well, it's Picard, so... same difference :suspicious: :troll: :lawl:

[rsx]

Meanwhile in Russia...

C&C Red Alert music (Hell March) - YouTube

[nah]

Geezus, the Malaysians need to verify the data before releasing it...

Officials Release New Last Words for Missing Malaysia Flight - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/officials-release-new-last-words-missing-malaysia-flight-n67871)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Freelance journalist: 'Hijacked flight 370 passenger sent photo from hidden iPhone tracing back to secret U.S. military base Diego Garcia' | Intellihub News (http://intellihub.com/freelance-journalist-hijacked-flight-370-passenger-sent-photo-hidden-iphone-tracing-back-secret-u-s-military-base-diego-garcia/)

dunno if anything is true ... at the very least it makes for a good conspiracy theory dun dun dun....

[nah]

Freelance journalist: 'Hijacked flight 370 passenger sent photo from hidden iPhone tracing back to secret U.S. military base Diego Garcia' | Intellihub News (http://intellihub.com/freelance-journalist-hijacked-flight-370-passenger-sent-photo-hidden-iphone-tracing-back-secret-u-s-military-base-diego-garcia/)

dunno if anything is true ... at the very least it makes for a good conspiracy theory dun dun dun....

He wrote that pretty well for being in the dark or hands tied. I can't even do that under normal circumstances without the stupid auto correct messing up my sentences. :suspicious:

[Harvey Specter]

Freelance journalist: 'Hijacked flight 370 passenger sent photo from hidden iPhone tracing back to secret U.S. military base Diego Garcia' | Intellihub News (http://intellihub.com/freelance-journalist-hijacked-flight-370-passenger-sent-photo-hidden-iphone-tracing-back-secret-u-s-military-base-diego-garcia/)

dunno if anything is true ... at the very least it makes for a good conspiracy theory dun dun dun....

How do you hide a iphone 5 in your ass?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

maybe between the buttcrack?

lol

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_conspiracy_theories#I lluminati_prior_knowledge)

pit bull and shakira. that one's right on the dot.

[pastarocket]

i think it's time we find it and get closure for the families - it's obvious by now that it went down, most likely off Australia, why? we don't know, but i'm glad we're going to eventually get answers, and as said, more importantly, closure for the families

i do feel for them, having hope is the worst thing in times like this, as in reality, we all knew it was gone... the roller coaster ride these poor people went through, my heart goes out to them


Definitely feel for the parents of a 29 year old guy who was on this flight. I met him a barbecue last summer. When their only child is taken away from them in this missing airplane, I cannot imagine how heart wrenching an experience his parents are having right now.

We need closure ASAP.

[AzNightmare]

:heckno:
well... looks like those "300 objects of various sizes" didn't lead to anything yet.

[supremematt85]

Might take years to locate the blackbox.
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

We need closure ASAP.

closure is found within ones self... not through external info.

[Hondaracer]

Want closure? They're dead.
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[Noir]

closure is found within ones self... not through external info.

I think the term "closure" is just being used loosely here.

It's one thing to accept that your loved one is gone, but I think what they really meant is: it would be nice to be able to know how they went, rather than a.... "i have no clue what happened to my (son/daughter/mom/dad/etc).


Want closure? They're dead.
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It's one thing to be right by stating the obvious; but it's another to be able to handle it with class.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

but they do have a clue.

it's not like they up and vanished from bed.

they were on a plane... it is plane related. any of those conspiracies, any theories of crashes. pick and choose the story. it doesn't matter... they're in a plane related death. they exist no more and their bodies have started their journey back to the earth from which it came.

i don't think it really matters.

it's like if a small boat vanished in the high seas after a big thunder storm. it PROBABLY capsized, and they are most likely dead. but you'll never find the bodies. and you'll never truly know. but you don't need to. you know they're dead. once you accept that fact it's all the same. the next step is to choose how fast you want to get over it. those people that want their weird version of closure are just grasping on to any element of their loved ones they can. if they had found solid evidence of a crash from the beginning, they still wouldn't feel any better.

it's just an excuse to keep wallowing in sadness for the sake of not letting go of something they are too attached to. even if it is a loved one.

demanding the government and public that they want closure is just absurd. that's something they should have to deal with themselves. this isn't the last person they'll know that will die from unwanted reasons.

they can mourn, they can feel sad. but i don't condone the action of demanding others to seek their closure for them. closure is completely up to the self. the external world should have no bearing on it.

[xXSupa]

Freelance journalist: 'Hijacked flight 370 passenger sent photo from hidden iPhone tracing back to secret U.S. military base Diego Garcia' | Intellihub News (http://intellihub.com/freelance-journalist-hijacked-flight-370-passenger-sent-photo-hidden-iphone-tracing-back-secret-u-s-military-base-diego-garcia/)

dunno if anything is true ... at the very least it makes for a good conspiracy theory dun dun dun....

iPhone lasting 10 days without being charged..?

:fuckthatshit:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

standby time is rated at 250 hours. thats 10 days. if he shut it off, or airplane mode it, it would last much longer.

either way, it is a possibility. especially if someone did hide their phone.

[4444]

but they do have a clue.

it's not like they up and vanished from bed.

they were on a plane... it is plane related. any of those conspiracies, any theories of crashes. pick and choose the story. it doesn't matter... they're in a plane related death. they exist no more and their bodies have started their journey back to the earth from which it came.

i don't think it really matters.

it's like if a small boat vanished in the high seas after a big thunder storm. it PROBABLY capsized, and they are most likely dead. but you'll never find the bodies. and you'll never truly know. but you don't need to. you know they're dead. once you accept that fact it's all the same. the next step is to choose how fast you want to get over it. those people that want their weird version of closure are just grasping on to any element of their loved ones they can. if they had found solid evidence of a crash from the beginning, they still wouldn't feel any better.

it's just an excuse to keep wallowing in sadness for the sake of not letting go of something they are too attached to. even if it is a loved one.

demanding the government and public that they want closure is just absurd. that's something they should have to deal with themselves. this isn't the last person they'll know that will die from unwanted reasons.

they can mourn, they can feel sad. but i don't condone the action of demanding others to seek their closure for them. closure is completely up to the self. the external world should have no bearing on it.
all i'd say is that i'd just want to know. that would be closure to me.

we all know they're dead. Wouldn't you at least want to put it to bed by knowing, definitely, what happened? I wouldn't be at 'rest' until I knew

[nah]

standby time is rated at 250 hours. thats 10 days. if he shut it off, or airplane mode it, it would last much longer.

either way, it is a possibility. especially if someone did hide their phone.

No way he wouldn't be playing Flappy Bird while locked up in cell...

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

all i'd say is that i'd just want to know. that would be closure to me.

we all know they're dead. Wouldn't you at least want to put it to bed by knowing, definitely, what happened? I wouldn't be at 'rest' until I knew

I'd wanna know, but then i'd already know. i'd know the plane is gone and whoever was related to me was gone too. and that's enough.

at a different scale. it's like if your friend got in a gruesome car crash. his body and face are completely mangled. but all you know is "fatal car crash"... wouldn't you wanna now EXACTLY what happened? was his skull crushed? did he bleed to death? was he knocked out RIGHT away? you can always get more detailed.

some people ... most people would be good just knowing he's dead. but would u really wanna see his body? see his face? hear the corners report in full? watch the corner perform? i mean those are "knowing for sure".

it's the same... they say the plane crashed. they drowned. do you really need to know the exact details? lost at sea is pretty decent to me. lost at sea or find a bloated body. i duno man. details aren't necessary.

[underscore]

^ your example is all wrong. You don't want to know the exact details of the death, but families want to know the circumstances leading to the death. "Died in a car crash" vs "died in a car crash after losing control due to black ice and sliding down a steep embankment" is like "the plane crashed" vs "the plane had a mechanical failure with the xxx system which lead to it crashing into the sea." The families want to know what lead to their loved ones being taken from them.

Except at this point, we still don't have any solid evidence of what happened to that plane or even that the passengers and crew are dead. We can be pretty sure it crashed, but grieving family members will be holding onto every last bit of hope that their loved ones could still be alive somehow.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

We can be pretty sure it crashed, but grieving family members will be holding onto every last bit of hope that their loved ones could still be alive somehow.

that's their own issue they have to deal with.

the responsibility of closure doesn't lay on anyone except those who wish to seek the delusional thought.

i'm sure when they announce evidence, the loved ones will leap with joy or sleep better. that's exactly what's gonna happen. yep.

[underscore]

I'm sure most will eventually, but it'd be a hell of a lot easier for them if the plane was found.

[Infiniti]

that's their own issue they have to deal with.

the responsibility of closure doesn't lay on anyone except those who wish to seek the delusional thought.

i'm sure when they announce evidence, the loved ones will leap with joy or sleep better. that's exactly what's gonna happen. yep.

I think its important that we empathize with the relatives of the victims here. Amidst incredible grief and sadness, most of them realize that they'll eventually need to move on, however, the tricky part about mourning is that everyone progresses at their own pace.

Not knowing exactly what happened, let alone where the incident took place adds particular torment to a grieving individual. Its easy to sit there and subscribe to a form of rationale, but in reality, none of us are dealing with the emotional experience these people are going through, thus, how can we say with certainty that we wouldn't be reacting in similar fashion to them.

I know that I would probably be a mess emotionally. I agree that there are certain logical steps one can take to "get on" with their lives, but in this instance, the wound is still fresh and the lack of conclusive evidence has turned this into an emotional cliffhanger for those involved.

[4444]

I'd wanna know, but then i'd already know. i'd know the plane is gone and whoever was related to me was gone too. and that's enough.

at a different scale. it's like if your friend got in a gruesome car crash. his body and face are completely mangled. but all you know is "fatal car crash"... wouldn't you wanna now EXACTLY what happened? was his skull crushed? did he bleed to death? was he knocked out RIGHT away? you can always get more detailed.

some people ... most people would be good just knowing he's dead. but would u really wanna see his body? see his face? hear the corners report in full? watch the corner perform? i mean those are "knowing for sure".

it's the same... they say the plane crashed. they drowned. do you really need to know the exact details? lost at sea is pretty decent to me. lost at sea or find a bloated body. i duno man. details aren't necessary.

wow, i didn't expect such a dumb response from you:

i wouldn't want to see nasty photos or details of their last moments, but i'd want to know why the plane went down, who was responsible, was it just a freak of nature, was it terrorism, was it a 1 in a million mechanical fault, were they knocked unconscious due to lack of oxygen (what you'd hope, so they'd know nothing).

also, you really think they'd have drowned? a 777 going down, and you think drowning would have killed them? they'd be so lucky to have a chance of drowning vs. being killed on impact.

again, i expect more from you, given previous intelligent thought

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

drown, die on impact... who cares. they were in an airliner crash in the middle of no where in the high seas. that's all you need to know man.

i know im being an ass but that's the reality.

it's like the guy that got dumped by the gf. and since she cut him off from communication, he is obsessed with finding out every detail of what she's been doing so he can somehow feel some weird delusion satisfaction (but actually it does nothing but fuel the delusion that you can get satisfaction from some new information).

it makes no difference. the destiny and end result is the same. it's in YOUR hands.

suppose i feed you whatever you wanted to hear and you believe it... but it's not actually what happened. what matters most? the truth? or how you want to handle the situation?

sure sure... find the air plane. so we can solve the mystery and really close the books and not be worried about the same mistake happening again. but will it really make them feel better? or worse... what if they find out they were abducted and brutally tortured or left to die in inhumane way?

whatever... just don't go around crying to others telling everyone how you cant get over it cuz you need to know the details. 1 month to get over it. 1 year. 10 years. whats the diff. as long as they don't hold on to it till the day they die.

we all know someone who's lost a love one or got dumped and they're scarred for life and become all retardedly emo forever. that's all im saying.

the mentality of wanting closure, is the path of the same as the forever emo.

[4444]

wtf are you saying, you're making no sense in what you say. i'm not going to bother discussing it any further

[Hondaracer]

Is finding a panel off the plane closure?
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[underscore]

I think finding any physical trace of the plane would be huge.

it's like the guy that got dumped by the gf. and since she cut him off from communication, he is obsessed with finding out every detail of what she's been doing so he can somehow feel some weird delusion satisfaction (but actually it does nothing but fuel the delusion that you can get satisfaction from some new information).

Again, your analogy sucks (no surprise). It's more like getting dumped and wanting to know why he got dumped. It's the circumstances leading up to the failure that people want to know, if nothing else to ensure it doesn't happen again.

And yes, knowing what lead up to the disappearance and likely death of the passengers and crew with be huge for the families, regardless of the exact circumstances. They don't need to know the gritty details, but they want to know where the hell their loved ones went.

[4444]

Is finding a panel off the plane closure?
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have you not followed the discussion

those that want closure don't get closure from seeing that the plane went down - WE KNOW THAT ALREADY. it's the why, not the gruesome details, but the story behind it.

god people, avg. IQ around here is stupid low these days

[Lomac]

drown, die on impact... who cares. they were in an airliner crash in the middle of no where in the high seas. that's all you need to know man.

i know im being an ass but that's the reality.

it's like the guy that got dumped by the gf. and since she cut him off from communication, he is obsessed with finding out every detail of what she's been doing so he can somehow feel some weird delusion satisfaction (but actually it does nothing but fuel the delusion that you can get satisfaction from some new information).

it makes no difference. the destiny and end result is the same. it's in YOUR hands.

suppose i feed you whatever you wanted to hear and you believe it... but it's not actually what happened. what matters most? the truth? or how you want to handle the situation?

sure sure... find the air plane. so we can solve the mystery and really close the books and not be worried about the same mistake happening again. but will it really make them feel better? or worse... what if they find out they were abducted and brutally tortured or left to die in inhumane way?

whatever... just don't go around crying to others telling everyone how you cant get over it cuz you need to know the details. 1 month to get over it. 1 year. 10 years. whats the diff. as long as they don't hold on to it till the day they die.

we all know someone who's lost a love one or got dumped and they're scarred for life and become all retardedly emo forever. that's all im saying.

the mentality of wanting closure, is the path of the same as the forever emo.

Just because YOU don't need to know what happened, doesn't mean someone else also doesn't need to know. Yes, dead is dead. But half the point is trying to determine whether that death could have been avoidable or if it was something that was beyond anyone's control.

You're like a religious nut, man, spewing out your rhetoric in an attempt to sway others into thinking that your way is the only way.

[underscore]

have you not followed the discussion

those that want closure don't get closure from seeing that the plane went down - WE KNOW THAT ALREADY. it's the why, not the gruesome details, but the story behind it.

god people, avg. IQ around here is stupid low these days

Actually we still don't know anything, unless I missed a report of them finding physical evidence of the plane somewhere. Until they pick up a piece of that thing somewhere pretty much anything is still technically possible.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

well obviously from this discussion, it's obvious no one will find closure from anything.

cuz like honderacer hinted.... you guys keep refuting.

there is no such thing as closure.

they can find more shit. and find bodies. and find whatever. it wont bring closure.

that is my point.

all the shit u guys keep saying. is just delusional words trying to capture some feeling that you WILL NOT GET.

that's my point.

not to do with my analogies. or specifics or whatever.

there IS no closure.

doesn't matter if i don't need it.

they don't need it either. and the sooner they realise that, the better off they'll be.

hondaracer gets it. the rest are still walking in circles trying to satisfy something that can't be satisfied.

i don't know how much clearer it can be.

the closure you guys imagine, simply, does not... exist.

they will find reasons or make up reasons eventually... what? the families will finally go "oh he can rest in peace" "i feel better".
NO.

they'll just keep going "i wish the plane didnt go down" "i wonder what it would be like if he were still around".

it's just another step to another type of attachment and clinging onto something that is GONE.

the concept is simple. if something is gone, it is gone. no amount of info will give you closure. period.

it's that simple.

[4444]

Actually we still don't know anything, unless I missed a report of them finding physical evidence of the plane somewhere. Until they pick up a piece of that thing somewhere pretty much anything is still technically possible.

i was taking a leap of faith. i think we all 'know' that the plane went down... you'd be hard pressed to still hold hope for anything different, sadly

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

they want to know where the hell their loved ones went.

they are somewhere here on earth. is that not a good enough answer. they are DEAD somewhere here on earth.

not dead in some far off galaxy lost in space. they're here, on this little tiny planet. decaying somewhere. like the way EVERYONE ELSE has died in all of history. clear? happy?

what? okok.. they're in a little crevas 1000m under the sea, 80% decomposed and fish nipping at their bodies.

oookook they were executed and dumped at some site and buried. and they're decayed and birds are picking at their bodies.

okkko.. they crashed and they burnt up.

they're here. ok. they're dead.

the only concern should be why the aircraft disappeared and how to stop it from happening to others.

the ones that have suffered this accident... that was their destiny. and hopefully we can learn from it.

greiving, and attachment to their bodies. and those things are.... yeah.. perhaps to ME it's not necessary.

but to the ones who keep greiving, i'm telling you. it's not necessary, and you will be as happy as the ones that have already started to move on.

it's SIMPLE as that.

5 years from now if any of these people still cant get over it, and are seeing psychiatrists and therapists and all that... you think their going to instruct them to grieve?

no they're gona tell them to shut the fuck up and get over it (in the nicest and professional way possible).

so you can shut the fuck up and get over it NOW... or you can shut the fuck up and get over it years from now.

it's your choice. i have laid out the options. and i have laid out the path that will bring you least suffering and guilt and pain.

it's up to you which one you wanna pick. but anyone with any amount of willpower will pick the obvious route.


obviously moving on takes time. but the sooner you start the path, the sooner you'll feel better. that's all im sayng.
and it seems like you guys are too narrow sighted to see that.

still digging holes in the ground looking for closure. keep digging. have fun.



how many of you have had loved ones that died?
how many of you have had the thought that "i wish i spent more time with them when they were alive"?

a lot of us. almost all of us.

now the question is. when they were alive, you didn't care to see them or spend that time with them. it's only after they're dead you throw some overt form of attachment that you didn't have before. why?

it's the same shit. you wish you had more time with them. you wish you knew why. you wish this you wish that. but at the end of the day.. or year or decade.. whenever you get over it... you move on. because you realise you can't fucking change the past. no amount of info matters. nothing matters. only forward. your life and the people around you that are still alive and ticking.

they're dead. they're off in whatever land you believe in. in the dirt. in the afterlife. whichever. it doesn't matter. it's out of your control. what's in your control is your own willpower. unless you have none. then i guess you are excused to lead a miserable life hah.

[underscore]

edit: not even worth my fucking time. Ulic, you're an idiot. Learn to read and try again.

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[Hondaracer]

Gotta agree with ulic
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

those that want closure don't get closure from seeing that the plane went down - WE KNOW THAT ALREADY. it's the why, not the gruesome details, but the story behind it.

you REALLY think they're gonna feel happier? you REALLY think they'll get closure from that?

like i said, the story is not going to be happy.

"everyone got drunk, and had a fun time, so much so they forgot they were in the air and the plane crashed and they all died happily ever after".

no... it will be more like... the plane had some problem, they got hijacked, etc. everyone was probably pissing their pants. wishing this wishing that. their life flashing before their eyes. boom. most of them are dead. the unfortunate ones that are still conscious will be surrounded by dead people and body parts, and slowly pulled down to the sea. drowning. the ones that survived that... will have frozen to death, or drowned to death.

is that the story that will give them closure?
what exactly are you guys talking about?

what details are going to give them SATISFACTION?

except none of you, except a few, realise, that actually, that's not going to give you any closure.

you can ask anyone that's loved a close one to an accident. and then found out the details after.

you can ask them... did that suddenly make them feel better? make them have a new outlook in life? the sun suddenly shines brighter?

c'mon guys get real. they should take their respective time to grieve. and let go. and take care of the ones that are still around them.

closure is a word created for those individuals unable to cope with any type of relationship ending.

seeking closure is chasing your tail. chase away.


Gotta agree with ulic
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thank you.



i only say this cuz i learn from experience. lost many, lots of down times. each time each down time has become shorter and shorter, because i realise seeking closure is just bullshit.
it's like getting dumped. you feel like shit, but you move on. waddling in your own filth of negative emotions seeking some reprisal against the lack of information or WHY WHY WHY... will NEVER fucking help. i can guarantee you that.

for those of you that are religious, you'll see them when you're dead.
for those of you that are not, your body will join them in the dirt when you die too.

either way, in the short short ~90 years you'll live, you should try to be happy. time is nothing. you will join them for all of eternity sooner than you want.

[MarkyMark]

This is retarded. Everyone grieves in different ways, some don't want to know anything and others want to know what went down. Saying you know what's better for them is stupid, you don't really know anything except what's better for yourself.

God some people really are high on their own philosophies.
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

yeah i know they are different.

i know some would rather not know. and some wanna know.

I'm just saying. yes, if u wanna know, and u know, you will get satisfied because you KNOW... but you wont find closure there. you wont feel better.

no one has ever found closure that way dude.

ask any psychiatrist, psychologist, or counselor that look over people that have been looking for closure for years and years and years.

some people don't wanna smoke, some people smoke. they both get satisfaction out of what they do.
all im saying is smoking is unhealthy, and you ain't gonna live longer.
the smokers will disagree. and keep smoking. but the fact is, they're going to be unhealthier.

that's all im saying.
grieving, and seeking closure that doesn't exist, will not give them what they are seeking.

if you seek the details for the sake of details. ok great. you will find some satisfaction in the answer.

but if you are seeking a better emotion because you lost a loved one, that action will not make you any happier. they'll seek something else after.

people are only hating because i'm being very frank about this. because i'm basically bashing victims. but really i'm not.

if you took a survey of the victims... the ones that are happier have already started to move on. and the ones still in gut wrenching emotional pain are the ones seeking more closure.
MORE. more... there can never be enough.


they find out why the plane went down, the details. great. closure? NO.
now they'll want to take justice into their own hands. suing airliners. "outraged" at how something like this could happen. they'll direct their emotion somewhere else when you give them their "closure", cuz really, their emotions haven't been tamed, they'll just direct it elsewhere.

if you guys can't see that. then you guys are truly blinded by emotions.

[underscore]

no... it will be more like... the plane had some problem, they got hijacked, etc. everyone was probably pissing their pants. wishing this wishing that. their life flashing before their eyes. boom. most of them are dead. the unfortunate ones that are still conscious will be surrounded by dead people and body parts, and slowly pulled down to the sea. drowning. the ones that survived that... will have frozen to death, or drowned to death.

is that the story that will give them closure?
what exactly are you guys talking about?

what details are going to give them SATISFACTION?

I'll try this one last time, maybe this time it will sink into your thick head. The part I bolded is the part they want to know, the part that will help the families. Was the plane highjacked? Was it a mechanical fault? Did it crash in the Indian Ocean, or did it land in Iran? Currently, they don't know any of this. For all we know, they could possibly be alive somewhere since they haven't found anything to confirm that the plane crashed somewhere in particular and that everyone was killed. It's the knowing what took their loved ones away from them that helps.

The part in italics won't help, what happened in their final moments won't help their family and friends. It's the circumstances leading up to it that will help. Have you seriously never seen an interview with a family member who feels a lot better knowing where they went?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

and ill get it through your thick skull. that info will not make them feel better overall.
it will be some temporary feeling of satisfaction. like answering a math question. yes, you have the answer... now what?
they still have to "seek closure".

the point of this is SEEKING CLOSURE. and me saying that info will NOT help.

and you just keep saying it will. it will. it will. give them the info. it will give them closure.

i am saying give them the info. but that is not related to closure. it will just satisfy them, the same way it will satisfy us. it will satisfy human curiosity.

but it will not help them get over the attachment of a loved one.

YOU UNDERSTAND?


when in history has ANYONE had closure, because they heard a coroner's report?
it doesn't help them get over the death. it only satisfies the story because the story has blank lines.

now the story is complete. you can fully absorb it.

it's like reading a story about your loved one. and there's lots of blank spaces in the book.
sure, after filling in the blanks you go "YES" i can read the story.

but when you get to the end and realise the end is still shitty. you really get "over" them?
no. you just understand the story better.

the only time u get over them is when you STOP picking up that book and trying to fill in the blanks or reading it over and over and over again.
you read it once if you wish, and you put it away, forever. then you will seek the feeling you want.

the term "forgive and forget" comes to mind. forgive god, forgive the terrorists, forgive the airliner, forgive whoever. and forget. move on. you'll only feel happier when you put it in the back of your mind and start to fill your mind with new memories.

how can none of you guys realise this is the actual path that helps?

are any of you still seeking closure from some distant broken relationship? jeez.

as for thes ones that want to keep reading the book. ok go ahead and do whatever the fuck you want. just don't cry to everyone about it. keep that shit to yourself. or your psychiatrist. lol.

[MarkyMark]

Given the choice to know what happened to my disappearing family member or not I'd want to know every time. They are already dead, knowing or not knowing it's going to take time to move on either way. Not knowing the details isn't going to magically make me feel better about it.

"I wonder whatever happened with the whole plane thing..."

"The plane was hijacked and crashed"

Pick your poison. But thanks for the insight anyways doctor.

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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

not knowing wont magically make you feel better about it... unless you want it to.

knowing isn't magically going to make you feel better about it either.

"why did the electrical problem happen?"
"why'd they hijack THAT plane"
"what if my loved one didnt get on that plane?"
"what if i talked them out of taking that trip"
"aw man i was going to tell them to book another flight"

you see. thoughts will always come up. that's my point.

given the choice people will always wanna know.

but that's a different topic.

we're talking about how to get OVER the event. not how to get more involved.
the only way you get over shit, is to distance yourself from it. not go further towards it.

you say pick your poison.
i say fuck the poison and walk away.

but obviously a weak emotional addict will always choose the poison. what can you do. you can only inform them.

[snails]

@ ulic...

have you ever dealt with a close death?

thinking about the posts above has encouraged me to enlighten you.

when i was 17 (6 years ago) i came home one day to my dad who had hung himself in the hallway of the front door. its pretty fucked up for a 17 year old to see his dad chillin there like that but i reached my closure quickly because i knew what happened. not just because me and my brother had to take him down.

he left a letter for us. it described why he had done what he had and that he cared for us regardless but his time has ended for him.

to him. it was justified and i had a hard time after that. but knowing it was his choice brought me closure. to the point im completely comfortable talking about it because death is part of life.

BUT

if my dad just disappeared and i was told he was dead with little/no information of why.. i would spend a lot of time wondering.. why.. where.. how..is he suffering? can i do anything.. you know because im a human and not some fucking animal.

i would be pretty disappointed if i disappeared and people were so quick to write me off as dead.

who is to say the plane didnt go down close to some remote island and there are a handful of survivors? sure that may be 0.0001 % but to those family members thats enough.

[MarkyMark]

Well then you're dwelling on the people who can't let go. Not everyone is that way. You say no one in history has gotten closure from knowing all the details. You don't know that and if you think you do maybe you're the one who needs to see the shrink.
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

@ ulic...

have you ever dealt with a close death?

thinking about the posts above has encouraged me to enlighten you.

when i was 17 (6 years ago) i came home one day to my dad who had hung himself in the hallway of the front door. its pretty fucked up for a 17 year old to see his dad chillin there like that but i reached my closure quickly because i knew what happened. not just because me and my brother had to take him down.

he left a letter for us. it described why he had done what he had and that he cared for us regardless but his time has ended for him.

to him. it was justified and i had a hard time after that. but knowing it was his choice brought me closure. to the point im completely comfortable talking about it because death is part of life.

BUT

if my dad just disappeared and i was told he was dead with little/no information of why.. i would spend a lot of time wondering.. why.. where.. how..is he suffering? can i do anything.. you know because im a human and not some fucking animal.

i would be pretty disappointed if i disappeared and people were so quick to write me off as dead.

who is to say the plane didnt go down close to some remote island and there are a handful of survivors? sure that may be 0.0001 % but to those family members thats enough.

sorry for your loss.

but there is a difference. if your dad just up and disappeared (i have stated this example before), moving on is a little harder.

but, these passengers didn't just up and disappear. they were on a plane. it is a plane related incident. and statistically, almost all plane related incidents are fatal, and due to human error, mechanical error, or inflicted damage (hijacking etc).

yes there is a 0.0001% chance they're still alive.

just like there's a 0.0001% chance aliens will come down and give us awesome technology to go back in time and fix everything we ever wanted.

you can't put hope into those small chances.

say in the future they DO find them or figure out exactly what happened.
great... but that will come regardless... u know what i mean?

if they figure out the mystery 1 week from now or 50 years from now. the day will come. and you don't wait for it or demand the people to look HARDER.

you know what i mean?

they're already looking. they'll find an answer eventually (hopefully).

that day WILL come. don't sit around waiting for it. move on. and the day the info comes... will be the day it comes.

Well then you're dwelling on the people who can't let go. Not everyone is that way. You say no one in history has gotten closure from knowing all the details. You don't know that and if you think you do maybe you're the one who needs to see the shrink.
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yes im dwelling on people that can't let go.
the ones that can, obviously forgive and forget. and move on.

the ones that can't are the ones that keep crying for the government...demanding governments and corporations to TRY HARDER.
but really.. like i said above. the answer will come. just not as fast as they want.

"There are two kinds of pain. The sort of pain that makes you strong, or useless pain. The sort of pain that's only suffering."

which do you think this is?

this is about acceptance. and obviously there are tons of people that don't get this.
you accept it, because you have NO CONTROL over it. destiny, fate, determinism, whatever you wanna call it.

acceptance is the first step to get over things. and demanding others to find an answer for you, is not acceptance.









my quarrel isn't with people that want info. they can have their info.

my quarrel is them hating on the government and airliner for not having an answer RIGHT NOW, FOR THEM. cuz they DEMAND it. they NEED it for closure (or so they think it will help).

you don't fucking blame a detective or get angry at him cuz he cant find your killer NOW. cuz you want to satisfy some immediate impulsive feeling to KNOW. it's not their fault. and they're TRYING. you get what i mean?

is this clear?
they are making absurd demands.
like little kids wanting their reward NOW. wanting the answer NOW.
you fucking wait. theyre trying as hard as they can. if they find nothing, and never find anything... that is a result that one should have already accepted too.

you cannot be attached to outcomes. whatever outcome happens, answer or not, you should be satisfied. of course you hope for an answer, but if no answer comes... you can't fucking cry like a baby.

this is clear now right?

[Hondaracer]

Thing is, you guys are just assuming what "closure" is

So find a peice of plane?
Find the black box?
Find bodies?
Find the voice recorder?
Get a $$$ payout?

What's closure?
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[snails]

Thing is, you guys are just assuming what "closure" is

So find a peice of plane?
Find the black box?
Find bodies?
Find the voice recorder?
Get a $$$ payout?

What's closure?
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knowing what happened to the plane imho would be closure. if it was terrorist that hijacked the plane now they are torturing the occupants (unlikly but i read someones theory about it) or if they hit the water and exploded leaving nothing more than fish food. eliminating that 0.0001% i was talking about. yes, dead is dead and you cant go back in time. but you also cant stop yourself from thinking and wondering while there is no answer.

like i said. unless you have dealt with a close death its hard to judge what can bring closure. for me, assuming they are dead isnt good enough.

[MarkyMark]

Ulic would make a great detective when someone's kid gets napped.

"You fucking wait, I'm trying here. Listen, Jimmy's probably dead and having an open casket ain't going to help you move on, trust me I'm also a shrink on weekends"
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

i'm sure a lot of detectives are like that. you have no idea how cynical cops are.

as for snails.

yes eliminating the 0.00001% .... but that's absurd.
when you conduct studies or experiments or execute strategies, whether lives depend on it or not (war, etc)... you don't count the 0.0001%
because those drag you down. they're a waste of time. the likely hood of that happening is well 0.0001%.... u understand?

just like they're not going to bother doing investigations on aliens abducting the airplane, or blackholes, or whatever. yes there is a 0.000001% those may happen too!!!
but you don't put effort into that, cuz there's situations with MUCH higher %. like the plane crashed and everything is lost at sea.

again, im not saying "they up and vanished and dead" and thats good enough.
im saying "they were on a plane that most likely crashed in the high seas".

you think finding the plane is closure... but what if they don't find it?

sorry to bring up your father, but... what if he decided to do what he did elsewhere, and he didnt leave you a letter? say he just up and vanished.

would you still be grieving now? what about 5 years from now? 10?
when does it end? when will you accept? never? that CANT be right...

don't you think if you choose to accept all outcomes before they happen... your life would be a lot better regardless of what they find?

say you want to find the details (we all would)... but you also accept there is a good chance they will never find anything... wouldn't your life IMMEDIATELY start to be better?

if you accept both results... they may find something, and they might not. when the results come forth (which is out of your control, you aren't an investigator or a major player in this incident), great. that is what part of you had hoped for.

but what if it never comes? shouldn't you cover your own ass and cover all results?

im gonna use an example, and i don't want you to think im belittling your dad. but it's an example ppl can relate to.

when you go up to a girl and you ask her out. the good players hope she says yes, but are prepared for rejection. and when they get rejected, it's shitty, but it's OKAY, they move on.

you guys kinda get what i mean?
you shouldn't be attached to any one outcome. ESPECIALLY when it is out of your control. no amount of willing, and wishing will change the outcome. like i said, you're not the investigator. you're not the one putting up cash for the planes and boats to fly and sail around looking. you're just an observer. it's like watching a movie. whatever outcome happens, you accept it and you move on.

i'm not telling people to give up. or accept whatever happens to them.
if you are trying your best to achieve a goal, while you are trying, you don't give up. you try to do your best. but if you do your best, and you fail, and there's no more tries left... you accept the result. because that is the HARD result which you have no control over anymore. that scenario/event is OVER. acceptance of the result is KEY. otherwise you'll let it drag your life down... for all of eternity through the afterlife if you are religious.

[Matlock]

Saw this on reddit yesterday... (I don't think it was posted on rs yet)

Header: So my friend found this at work today in Australia...
http://i.imgur.com/cSjjubx.jpg

Source So my friend found this at work today in Australia... - Imgur (http://imgur.com/cSjjubx)

[snails]

i get what your saying.. in a world of 6-7 billion people whats a couple hundred.. peanuts..

but we are talking about closure.. that only matters to those involved.

as goes for my situation. if you talk to anyone that knows me the first thing they will tell you is how lighthearted i am in bad situations. there is always a silver lining.

but thinking about it now. knowing my dad just up and disappeared and didnt know what happened to him. that shit would haunt me. i think about his passing MAYBE once a week.. thats not to say we didnt get along but i get the concept of moving on. unfortunately its not something one can choose to do. kinda like telling someone not to have nightmares.. or saying the word "RED" and telling people not to think about red things. they can do things to avoid the situation.. but you cant control your thoughts, that gut feeling and being kept up at night wondering about this.

again. if this was me. i rather open the door and see my dad hanging like i did.. then have had him do it elsewhere and me never know that he had even passed away

[anxiety]

If they do find the body in the sea, it's probably in pieces or like cardboards that are pressed already, based on how deep the sea is in the region where they crashed, and the pressure.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

i get what your saying.. in a world of 6-7 billion people whats a couple hundred.. peanuts..

but we are talking about closure.. that only matters to those involved.

as goes for my situation. if you talk to anyone that knows me the first thing they will tell you is how lighthearted i am in bad situations. there is always a silver lining.

but thinking about it now. knowing my dad just up and disappeared and didnt know what happened to him. that shit would haunt me. i think about his passing MAYBE once a week.. thats not to say we didnt get along but i get the concept of moving on. unfortunately its not something one can choose to do. kinda like telling someone not to have nightmares.. or saying the word "RED" and telling people not to think about red things. they can do things to avoid the situation.. but you cant control your thoughts, that gut feeling and being kept up at night wondering about this.

again. if this was me. i rather open the door and see my dad hanging like i did.. then have had him do it elsewhere and me never know that he had even passed away

yes, i understand you rather of seen what happened.

but im saying what if you didnt? cuz you didn't have a choice anyway right?
like yes, i agree... you cant control your thoughts all the time. but you can certainly try to change that.

im saying what if he did up and disappear? cuz u have no choice and power in that situation... you WOULD be more haunted and thinking about him more. i agree with that. BUT... you cant change the result right? so wouldn't you at some point of your life, have to seriously try to accept and move on?
what im asking is, at what point would you accept? at what point will the family's of the victims try to accept?

cuz unlike you, they didnt get to see what happened. and there's a huge likely hood they will never. so... how does one deal with that? that's what im trying to get at.

sure, hope for a miracle of the 0.0001%, but the 99.999% HAS to have more weight and bearing than the 0.0001% right? i mean its 99.999%! i mean, think about it... being held down your whole life cuz of some 0.0001% thing or looking at it with a right mind and seeing that 99.999% is MOST PROBABLY what happened and the story MOST PROBABLY will stick to that probability... and you MOST PROBABLY will have to deal with that for the rest of your life.

then what? what choice do you have? what person in their right mind would NOT want to try to move on and accept? the person that holds onto that 0.0001% chance i guarantee will have a miserable and sad life.


let me give you an example:
if in 2 years, one or some of the families of the victims still are bringing this up, and suing or demanding closure... how would you perceive them?
what about 10 years? what about 20? 30? 40? 50?

what if enough time has passed that most of those people would have died of natural reasons already?
at what point does demanding closure seem ridiculous? never? that cant be correct.

[MarkyMark]

Like snails already said, telling someone to move on and actually moving on are not the same. You can't force yourself to just get over something. You can keep busy, try to find acceptance of the situation, but if you still have that shitty feeling in your gut what do you do then?

I'm a firm believer that time heals things better then anything else. How much time that is differs for everyone. Your logic that they need to just move on and they'll feel better is flawed, because you can't force something like that.

In your scenario you're pretty much telling a guy with a fucked up spinal cord to just get up and walk.
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[snails]

@ ulic

we are very good at arguing, but we both have our points and yes i agree with some of them. but we will end up repeating the same stuff over and over so too save the websites bandwidth ill just chalk my final comment up to Markymarks's comment

Like snails already said, telling someone to move on and actually moving on are not the same. You can't force yourself to just get over something. You can keep busy, try to find acceptance of the situation, but if you still have that shitty feeling in your gut what do you do then?

I'm a firm believer that time heals things better then anything else. How much time that is differs for everyone. Your logic that they need to just move on and they'll feel better is flawed, because you can't force something like that.

In your scenario you're pretty much telling a guy with a fucked up spinal cord to just get up and walk.

[Verdasco]

any TL DR summaries lol

[EmperorIS]

any TL DR summaries lol

Ulic said: don't be a pussy emo bitch. Get over it.

Others said: I like pussy. It taste good. I sad for reason. Peace dawg
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[AzNightmare]

Ok... so to sum this up, when Ulic reads the news, he just reads headlines. Cause the article containing the details aren't important.

When Ulic watches sports... never mind. He doesn't even need to watch it. The score isn't important either. Just finding out if the team won or loss is good enough.

I think I'm starting to understand Ulic.

:derp:

[nah]

He would be the dad that tells his daughter to "man up bitch and walk it off".

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

In your scenario you're pretty much telling a guy with a fucked up spinal cord to just get up and walk.
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no, i'm telling the guy with the spinal cord injury to stop being depressed about losing his ability to walk or whatever else he lost and accept and move on.

if there will ever be a medical fix for it, it will come and you hoping and wishing won't make it come faster. the day it comes will be a nice surprise. and if it doesn't come, it's okay too, cuz you've already accepted your accident and you know you can't go back in time and fix it. there's only one direction. forward.

you accept what has happened and you move forward cuz you cant possibly change it.

if the spinal cord injury say u just get knocked out and u wake up a few days later in the hospital and no one knows what happened. they just found you with a broken neck. yeah.. i would tell him to man the fuck up and deal with it. cuz being a cry baby ain't gonna fix your spinal cord or help your mental health. knowing what happened wont fix your spinal cord. and you'll probably just develop a hate for whoever did it to you. and a personal revenge is a lot harder to get over than an external loss.

but being okay with it and moving forward, you'll be able to accomplish a lot more and be a lot happier in life.

I am sure everyone would agree with me here.

if not. well, just go visit GF strong and see how the psychologists deal with the spinal cord injury patients there.

Like i said, any cognative/psychologoical therapist will say everything i have said in this thread, but in a much more kinder and professional way tailored to the victim.

i ain't tailoring what i say to the victim. i'm saying it bluntly.

[underscore]

After a page of Ulic's long and pointless posts, can we get back to info on the plane instead of Ulic's nonsense?

[Gumby]

After a page of Ulic's long and pointless posts, can we get back to info on the plane instead of Ulic's nonsense?
But there is no info on the plane... :troll:

[MarkyMark]

Ulic - "it didn't happen to me so man up and get over it, it's easy!"
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[AzNightmare]

Humans by nature are curious. Which is why we even bother reading the news (like this one), and trying to come up with theories when the facts aren't present. The bottom line is, we want to know the facts. And this is coming from random strangers who have no ties with the people or this event. Now think about what the actual family and friends are going through.

We're talking about different types of closures here...
The closure of knowing the facts and cause of a death is different from the closure of trying to get a settlement, such as suing the Airline. Also, the "closure" of when one begins to accept a friend or family member that died is completely different from closure on finding out how they died.

The Elisa Lam incident was a big mystery for a few months. I'm sure being kidnapped and being involved in human trafficking crossed someone's mind. A whole bunch of other theories must have crossed people's mind, including strange ones (like murdered by a ghost, alien abduction, etc) surrounding the big mystery of her disappearance. I'm sure her family and friends were very unsettled by the whole ordeal. Regardless if nothing would bring her back, the fact when they found her body in a water tank and discovered there was no foul-play involved, must have lifted a lot of weight off the family. At least now they know she isn't being tortured in some third world nation in a cave.

And it's always "easier" to move on and let go when you're 100% sure the person is dead, and not just long-term "missing".

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

some of you thick headed dumb fucks just have to think of it this way:


say your best buddy's mom was on that plane.

your buddy comes up to you one day and tells you he doesn't know how to deal with it anymore. he cant take his mind off of it. he's feeling like shit and he doesn't know... he just doesn't know what to do... he's lost.. he's in despair.

what would you tell him?

"oohhhh don't worry they'll find them, you'll get closure"

"keep seekin that closure, it'll come bro"

BULL FUCKING SHIT. you guys are fucking assholes if you encourage that type of thinking!

you would be more like:


"time will heal it man"

in combination with something like:

"well perhaps you should consider a different perspective and approach to thinking... i mean, what if they never find out? will you let this drag you down for the rest of your life? i think perhaps regardless of whether they find out or not, you should start to work on your path to acceptance of the current situation... you can still hope for the best, but keep that on the back burner... don't cling onto that hope. move forward man, your friends and other loved ones are around you to support you. you can do it!"

the you give him a bro hug or a pat on the back. and in time he will forget about it and move on the best he can, by accepting. or he'll cling on forever and lead a miserable life. the choice is still up to him.

SO? which friend are you?

"keep lookin for dat closure brooooo, here i made a map, if you follow the dots you'll find that closure at the X. derp derp. if u dig deep enough, eternal happiness will be waiting there too~~~"

[MarkyMark]

Stop telling us what we would and wouldn't do Nostradamus. Honestly I would probably tell him I can't imagine what he's going through and let me know if there's anything I can do for you.

I definitely wouldn't go on some dumb fucking rant like "what if they never find your mom what are you gonna do then??? Now's the time to just get over it man, I would have if my mom died like that lol"

"Yeah you're right man fuck it I don't know why I was so hung up on this whole my mom tragically dying thing"

*high five each other*

/Ulics world.
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

My example stated that he is in depression and is asking for your advice.
He is already approaching you cuz of your friendship and the expected "let me know if there's anything I can do to help"

He's asking for your help

What is your advice

I ask again. Answer the fucking question.

Your reply is generic and he's heard it from every person that he's talked to.
Rip
Condolences man
I can't imagine what you're going through

You're just another drop in the bucket

What's your real advice man?
He's asking you what to do? Other than seek professional help. Which I have stated, they would say the same thing I did.
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Are you also implying that if you seeked professional help and they told u to detach and move forward in life. You'd tell them to fuck off and that they're wrong cuz you have your own way? That they don't understand your pain and need for closure?

You're the type to storm outta the psychs office cuz they lay a method out for you that doesn't match your expected values of the situation?
Are you that blinded by ego and emotion that you're that fucking retarded? That u cannot understand the concept of moving forward vs clinging onto hope?

In a few months or less the general public will have forgotten and moved on

In a few months or years majority of victims families will have moved on as well

In a few years the only ppl that have still not moved on are the ones I am describing. The ones that even with time, they will never let go.
I am targeting them.

What would your solution for those types be?
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[Hondaracer]

It's like those people who were "abused" by an uncle, relative, etc to carrying degrees

Now at 21 their complete life is literally ruined, they're living on the streets and they are a drain on society

At some point you have to get over it
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[snails]

It's like those people who were "abused" by an uncle, relative, etc to carrying degrees

Now at 21 their complete life is literally ruined, they're living on the streets and they are a drain on society

At some point you have to get over it
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there is a difference between not having closure and someone that used it as an excuse to ruin their lives

after the shit i went through (not having parents and having to man the fck up at 17 to take care of my 15 year old sister) i have 0 sympathy for those who make shitty life decisions because something went wrong.

yes they have to move on. but moving on and closure are 2 different things. moving on is an act. closure is a feeling.

[AzNightmare]

In a few years the only ppl that have still not moved on are the ones I am describing. The ones that even with time, they will never let go.
I am targeting them.


Well WHO exactly are the people that are being target, that haven't moved on after a few years?
:suspicious:

Right, this happened just under a month ago.

[Hondaracer]

there is a difference between not having closure and someone that used it as an excuse to ruin their lives

after the shit i went through (not having parents and having to man the fck up at 17 to take care of my 15 year old sister) i have 0 sympathy for those who make shitty life decisions because something went wrong.

yes they have to move on. but moving on and closure are 2 different things. moving on is an act. closure is a feeling.

True true

I respect you as well for that attitude
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

It's like those people who were "abused" by an uncle, relative, etc to carrying degrees

Now at 21 their complete life is literally ruined, they're living on the streets and they are a drain on society

At some point you have to get over it
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^
EXACTLY.



can one really move on without closure? or have closure without moving on?

I mean PROPERLY moving on. not moving on and feeling shitty and just forcing yourself to get up everyday but still feeling doom and gloom.

like to become a "proper" "functioning" "happy" person simply requires acceptance of whatever situation is pulling your emotions down. am i not right?

as for its only been a month... yeah true. a month isn't long. but like i said, the sooner the people know this info, the sooner they can move on.
they only need to hear it. the decision is still up to them like i said. perhaps some have never even thought of it this way, and they choose to move on 1 month or even 1 week after.
you guys are all defending the ones who need more time...

but what about the ones who don't? suddenly cuz the "stronger willed" ones don't need any advice or support?

there's always two sides. the info just has to be out there. they just have to hear it, what they do with it is up to them.
but AWARENESS of TRUTH is important.

I mean, for someone in despair, but is a logical person, but still emotionally distressed. wouldn't it bring some form of comfort when at night they're tossing and turning in bed, wondering what happened... but rather than just having nothing to calm them, they can at least think of one thing "i can accept it and move on... looking towards a brighter future, the past is the past"

i duno about you guys, but some people will find comfort in that, rather than losing their minds.

but for the ones that WANNA lose their minds and WANNA toss and turn and feel like shit, go ahead. i wont stop them from thinking negative thoughts and pulling themselves down. but if they ever ask for help from the world, the world ain't gonna tell them what they wanna hear.

like hondaracer says, at some point in your life, youre gonna have to accept that the world did not turn out the way you want. or you don't... but our goal here is to remove negative emotions and try to attain satisfaction in life right?
RIGHT?
that IS the point of this discussion right?

and anyone with half a brain would know to maximize and focus on the 99.999% chance, not the 0.001%.

i mean, how many of you go in the the casino and put all your money on one number in roulette and get pissed off when you don't win?
this is the exact same thing.
chances are, you know, it's NOT gonna land on your number. you don't put hope into those things. it'll only drag you down.



anyway, yeah, different strokes for different folks. but if you lead your path and it aint working out, and you still feel like shit, it's probably cuz the path you thought would work, actually doesn't. and like MANY things in life that have to do with emotions... you usually have to do the opposite of what you wanna do. you have to do everything your mind is telling you not to do.

[twitchyzero]

It's like those people who were "abused" by an uncle, relative, etc to carrying degrees

Now at 21 their complete life is literally ruined, they're living on the streets and they are a drain on society

At some point you have to get over it
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everyone takes loss or being dealt a shitty hand in life differently

some will take it as motivation to make the best of what they have or make that terrible experience and convert it to something which will make them stronger

while others will sulk and live miserably for the rest of their lives turning to alcohol and drugs for escape

[underscore]

everyone takes loss or being dealt a shitty hand in life differently

some will take it as motivation to make the best of what they have or make that terrible experience and convert it to something which will make them stronger

while others will sulk and live miserably for the rest of their lives turning to alcohol and drugs for escape

The point is that everyone handles things differently. Sweet fucking jesus what a concept.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

everyone takes loss or being dealt a shitty hand in life differently

some will take it as motivation to make the best of what they have or make that terrible experience and convert it to something which will make them stronger

while others will sulk and live miserably for the rest of their lives turning to alcohol and drugs for escape

The point is that everyone handles things differently. Sweet fucking jesus what a concept.

no it's not a crazy concept.

like twitchy just said.

WHILE OTHERS WILL SULK AND LIVE MISERABLY AND TURN TO DRUGS.

YEAH. so those ppl just have NO hope at all right? cuz they can NEVER let go so they should just be allowed to live their life in their delusional despair to find closure?

FUCK THAT man.

you can FIX them. cognitive behavioural therapy is just one of the many things. lots of shit.

you're telling me the people that can't handle it, should just be left to fucking be miserable cuz their values are so fucked up and skewed and holding them down, but their values are their values therefore they're right?

fuck man.

we're ONLY focusing on the ones that are gonna sulk forever.

everyone else will move on eventually and that's fine. who cares about them. they're GONNA move on now, or later, so its okay. sooner the better.

but the ones who CANT, who REFUSE TO LET GO. those are the ones we are talking about. UNDERSTAND?

[MarkyMark]

Ulic your advice of "just get over it" is just fucking stupid. If they could just get over it they wouldn't be asking for my help would they? They want to know HOW to get over it. When they've tried everything but they still feel like shit, what's your advice then? Anyone can say "just move on with your life", no shit Sherlock who wouldn't do that if they could. It's been mere weeks, you don't just say get over it and wash your hands of it like you gave them some kind of golden advice.
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

so it's not okay to say move on when its mere weeks? but it's okay if it's years?

derp derp what?

what difference does the advice make? 1 day, 10 years. the method is the same.

only the choice of words and approach is different. but really, if you read between the lines, the advice is exactly the same.


and it's not just "GET OVER IT"

it's "ACCEPT ALL POSSIBILITIES AND DONT BE ATTACHED TO ANY OUTCOME WHICH YOU CANNOT CHANGE, LIFE CAN ONLY MOVE FORWARD. LOOK FORWARD. THE PAST IS THE PAST"

what you don't see is, they can't get over it because their values are skewed. if they change their value and perception of what happened. they would be able to MOVE ON. UNDERSTAND?

ppl cant move on, until they CHANGE their mentality. which is something you OBVIOUSLY don't understand.

you think you can just keep thinking the same things, and eventually the result changes. NO.

you change your values, and the world will change
you don't change your values, and the world stays the same.

[MarkyMark]

so it's not okay to say move on when its mere weeks? but it's okay if it's years?

derp derp what?

what difference does the advice make? 1 day, 10 years. the method is the same.

only the choice of words and approach is different. but really, if you read between the lines, the advice is exactly the same.

It's not the same. If a guy loses his wife to cancer do you think it's the same if he goes on a date the next day, or decides to wait a year? Same thing right she's dead no point in grieving and mourn the loss, get back on the horse right away you say?
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[AzNightmare]

we're ONLY focusing on the ones that are gonna sulk forever.

everyone else will move on eventually and that's fine. who cares about them. they're GONNA move on now, or later, so its okay. sooner the better.

but the ones who CANT, who REFUSE TO LET GO. those are the ones we are talking about. UNDERSTAND?

Do you UNDERSTAND that the event happened only about a month ago and that your whole big rant is target on hypothetical people who sulked forever.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

It's not the same. If a guy loses his wife to cancer do you think it's the same if he goes on a date the next day, or decides to wait a year? Same thing right she's dead no point in grieving and mourn the loss, get back on the horse right away you say?
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and for those who go on dates the week after? what's wrong with that?
why is it NOT okay for them to move on that quickly?
what's different about how they handle the situation?
why is it they can move on so much faster?

are they retarded? is there something wrong with them? are they "morally wrong"?

your mind is too set in what is "proper and right" which will ultimately lead you to reality not matching your expectations. and then you getting all pissy cuz it didn't work out exactly like you imagined it to be.

Do you UNDERSTAND that the event happened only about a month ago and that your whole big rant is target on hypothetical people who sulked forever.

whats wrong with hypothetical?
isn't this whole thread about hypotheticals?

i would say out of all the hypotheticals in this thread, my hypothetical is the most likely. because for sure there will be people that are gonna be fucked up their whole lives because of this.

all your other hypotheticals have no evidence of support. but my hypothetical is already actuality, the people are sulking and demanding closure while feeling sadness and despair.

your guys's solution is just doing what governments and corporations are doing now. saying shit to make ppl feel better while making you appear caring. saving your own ass. making yourself look good.
the governments and corps only say these things so there's not a bigger uproar in fingers being pointed at them.
in truth, as months and years pass, they'll just stop dedicating resources and throw some money at the victims families.

at the end of the day, theyre (victims families) still gonna have to deal with it. better to have the battle plan now, than later. knowing what to do now, regardless of the timing, is better than knowing later. there is no question or doubt about that.

[underscore]

Shut the fuck up you crazy bastard.

[AzNightmare]

So you're basically saying to not be emotionally attached to anything and anybody, because it's just a waste of time to sulk.

Say if someone's wife just died, it's cool. She did mean the whole world to him, but meh, nothing he could have done about it. He'll just find another girl tomorrow at the club, so it's okay. No point sulking.

And of course, the details of how she died don't matter either. Police called his cell, told him his wife has passed... and he immediately hung up.

:thumbs:

She dead, so she dead. I'm good with that. Already over it. :fuckthatshit:

[snails]

http://x2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/My+cat+prefers+popcorn+over+Doritos+_1b82d2e4a8789 34c82015c2e1162b8f7.gif

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

So you're basically saying to not be emotionally attached to anything and anybody, because it's just a waste of time to sulk.

Say if someone's wife just died, it's cool. She did mean the whole world to him, but meh, nothing he could have done about it. He'll just find another girl tomorrow at the club, so it's okay. No point sulking.

And of course, the details of how she died don't matter either. Police called his cell, told him his wife has passed... and he immediately hung up.

:thumbs:

She dead, so she dead. I'm good with that. Already over it. :fuckthatshit:

if someone could do that, they would have the strongest willpower and the up most respect from many people.

it just simply means they're a lot stronger than you consider yourself to be.

[MarkyMark]

If you're going on dates the week after your wife dies you either didn't give a shit about her in the first place, or you're trying to trick yourself into thinking you're ok when you're not. Try telling any woman that your wife died last week and ask them on a date, see how that works for ya. They'll look at you like you're fucking insane, and they'd be right.
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

and if you get dumped by a gf you loved so much you were gonna marry, and your bros take you out clubbing, and you meet a girl... if you tell her you just got dumped last week, does she look like you're crazy?

what if your feelings just fucking change regardless of whether you want it or not?
you'd probably just go with the flow, and not tell them what happened and see what happens.

ones a death, and ones someone leaving you. but is it not both a person leaving you, and you probably never seeing the again? why would u treat it any differently? (in terms of wanting to get over them). youre not a criminal investigator, youre not out to prosecute or point fingers at anyone.

and as a normal civilian, you have no right to point fingers at anyone demanding things such as closure, from people who are already trying to find the plane, but you're fucking rushing them and pointing fingers at them like it's their god damn fault and that it's their fucking responsibility to find it asap FOR THEM.

do you have some cosmic obligation to have to grieve for those who have died?

perhaps only if you truly believe death is the end all of existence.



just cuz you think it's insane, doesn't mean it's wrong and doesn't mean some people arent capable of this.

the only difference between you and them is you choose to want to grieve and value grieving more than them. and obviously one that values grieving and think's its normal to have to grieve, will ultimately feel more depressed. and isn't being depressed the thing we're trying to GET OUT OF?


“Visākhā, those who have a hundred dear ones have a hundred sufferings. Those who have ninety dear ones have ninety sufferings. Those who have one dear one have one suffering. Those who have no dear ones have no sufferings. They are free from sorrow, free from stain, free from lamentation, I tell you.”

you might not like that, but truth is in that quote.

love, is different from attachment.
you can love, and not be attached.

you can also hate, and be attached.

the whole point of this is attachment.

I don't usually quote buddhists, but it is universally known that they are the masters of emotion and masters of their own destinies. they feel whatever they want to feel, by changing themselves. and that's a lesson that the world can learn.

you don't have to agree with their crazy shit like living in poverty and only eating what is given to you. but there's an aspect of how they deal with shit, which is esoteric. and we can all agree, they know what they're talking about when it comes to this shit. they aint no dumbasses that's for sure.

let's not use buddhists.

any religion. you go to the religious figurehead at your temple/church. they will say the same things.

if you're not religious, and you go to a doctor, they will say the same thing.

so really. who are the ones that think like you? the ones that want to stay depressed. the ones that WANT to feel fucked up.
you cant want to feel fucked up and want to feel better at the same time bro. you will just be in a state of confusion till you pick one. and i can tell you right now dude. thinking you have a duty to grieve, will make you feel fucked up.

[AzNightmare]

if someone could do that, they would have the strongest willpower and the up most respect from many people.

it just simply means they're a lot stronger than you consider yourself to be.

Perhaps being a robot is technically stronger. But I can guarantee you having no emotions will not gain you any respect from "many people".

[Hondaracer]

Maybe my opinion is such because as we were watching the news re: the plane my dad told me that if I ever went missing he'd give it two days then say RIP lol
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

i think there is a huge skew in perception of what i want to say.

I am not saying u have to be a cold calculated computer and cut losses now.
but if you demand closure, and they can never find it, you better let go of your quest to seek closure from finding evidence of what happened.

you better find your "closure" from another path. that's all im saying.

and you guys are twisting it to like... "OMGAWD, JUST GIVE THEM CLOSURE"
like some magician can just snap his fucking fingers and turn a trick and TA-DA... we found the airplane!!!

[underscore]

no it's not a crazy concept.

If you can't understand the obvious sarcasm in that post then I don't know what to say to you.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Perhaps being a robot is technically stronger. But I can guarantee you having no emotions will not gain you any respect from "many people".

that's not true.

the guy that cuts losses asap, still had to cut losses. that means he loved before. which means he has emotions.

not saying having NO emotions. saying having CONTROL of emotions. or i should say BETTER CONTROL of emotions. better than what you think is good.


well this thread has truly revealed the people that are emotionally immature... they're not even related to this incident yet they're freaking out about closure. vs those who can keep cool and level headed.

and as for snails, he kept his cool way more than some of you other guys even though he's been through what he said.

all i can say is there's a huge divide between the ones in control of their emotions vs the ones whos emotions control them in this thread.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

If you can't understand the obvious sarcasm in that post then I don't know what to say to you.

please address the part where some people will never get over it and turn to depression drugs and other shit for escape. cuz i think you completely missed that part, which is the main argument of this whole thing.

[trd2343]

I'm assuming when people say closure, that means to move on.

I think what Ulic is trying to say is, don't put the responsibility of being able to move on, from any incident, in other people's hands.

Only that person has the power or responsibility to decide when they are ready to move on. If that person requires external force (evidence, prove, etc.), what if those things never show up?

When someone realizes that they may never find out what happened, they will realize the power to move on have or have a closure ultimately have always been in their hands.

You can be sad as long as you want, but don't put the blame on others for not being able to move on.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I'm assuming when people say closure, that means to move on.

I think what Ulic is trying to say is, don't put the responsibility of being able to move on, from any incident, in other people's hands.

Only that person has the power or responsibility to decide when they are ready to move on. If that person requires external force (evidence, prove, etc.), what if those things never show up?

When someone realizes that they may never find out what happened, they will realize the power to move on have or have a closure ultimately have always been in their hands.

You can be sad as long as you want, but don't put the blame on others for not being able to move on.


very well summarized. lol

i think the main issue is that the opposing forces of this debate cannot understand the fact that they may never show up, and are willing to bank their entire emotional energy on the chance that things will turn out the way they want it to be.

I'm saying cover your asses. you have to accept all ultimate outcomes.

anyway reamemiya said it good.

[anxiety]

^+1

[MarkyMark]

I'm assuming when people say closure, that means to move on.

I think what Ulic is trying to say is, don't put the responsibility of being able to move on, from any incident, in other people's hands.

Only that person has the power or responsibility to decide when they are ready to move on. If that person requires external force (evidence, prove, etc.), what if those things never show up?

When someone realizes that they may never find out what happened, they will realize the power to move on have or have a closure ultimately have always been in their hands.

You can be sad as long as you want, but don't put the blame on others for not being able to move on.

I get that, but wanting answers within a couple of weeks of a tragedy happening, and still clinging to wanting those answers ten years later are not the same thing. The concept that time means nothing is ludicrous. Sorry but Ulic makes it seem like moving on a day after a tragedy or years later is just as easy, but it's not.
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[underscore]

I'm assuming when people say closure, that means to move on.

I think what Ulic is trying to say is, don't put the responsibility of being able to move on, from any incident, in other people's hands.

Only that person has the power or responsibility to decide when they are ready to move on. If that person requires external force (evidence, prove, etc.), what if those things never show up?

When someone realizes that they may never find out what happened, they will realize the power to move on have or have a closure ultimately have always been in their hands.

You can be sad as long as you want, but don't put the blame on others for not being able to move on.

Oh for the love of... yes, moving on is ultimately determined by the individual, but you can't just flip a switch and move on. It's not a choice it's a process, and for most people knowing what happened to someone makes it a hell of a lot easier. I don't think anyone said anything about blaming others for not being able to move on. You can't blame them, but you can certainly thank them if they bring you answers and help with the process.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

i didnt say it's just as easy

i said the strategy and method is the same. so knowing immediately after the incident, is better than knowing later.

like i said, awareness. and KNOWING is important. regardless of time. because at the end of the day, you have to walk that path.

it's like saying you'd rather start looking for a map when you're already lost, rather than having a map just as you start the journey. you don't have to look at the map, but it's always good to have it and know how to use it and how it works BEFORE you head out on your quest. all it does is reduce your risk of getting more fucked up.

and yes, you can flip a switch and move on. maybe not if it's your first time. but if it's happened to you before. and it's happened again. i can gaurentee you, you'll try to reduce the time of your greiving the second, or third etc... time it happens to you again.

and for a small percentage, they are able to run the scenarios in their head so that they can do it the first time it happens to them.
not everyone needs to learn by pain. some people can learn by forcing themselves to do what hurts before it happens.

like hondaracers dad said, he'd say RIP to his own son after 2 days. he says that, but he might not feel it, but at least it's already in his mind, half molded, and he just has to believe it a little more. whereas the rest of you, the idea isn't even implanted in your heads. and good luck trying to implant that idea into your head AFTER the incident. you are totally unprepared mentally. and there's no way you can adapt when you're emotionally distraught.

that's all im saying. and for whatever reason, only a small number of people can understand it.

i'm not the type of asshole that would say "fuck it, they don't get it, fuck them, im better than them, so i'll just walk away and IGNORE them!"

I will keep lecturing. whether you wanna listen or not. cuz i know someone is listening, and it will benefit someone. and if i can benefit those who listen, that's good enough for me.

[MarkyMark]

Lol what self respecting man uses a map before they get lost

Anyways this is getting redundant, I see your views you see mine
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

anyway reamemiya said it best, and any rebuttle should be directed to his comment. cuz that's what i ultimately mean.

as for redundancy, all debates are "redundant". that is the meaning of debate, to argue back and forth. an excersize for the brain. no different than kumon LOL.

if you want pragmatic results, kick over the debate podium and you go to war and you physically subdue the opponent... i don't think we're ready to go to war over this little difference of ideologies... but im sure as hell ready to debate the hell out of it.

[AzNightmare]

i didnt say it's just as easy

i said the strategy and method is the same. so knowing immediately after the incident, is better than knowing later.

like i said, awareness. and KNOWING is important. regardless of time. because at the end of the day, you have to walk that path.

it's like saying you'd rather start looking for a map when you're already lost, rather than having a map just as you start the journey. you don't have to look at the map, but it's always good to have it and know how to use it and how it works BEFORE you head out on your quest. all it does is reduce your risk of getting more fucked up.

and yes, you can flip a switch and move on. maybe not if it's your first time. but if it's happened to you before. and it's happened again. i can gaurentee you, you'll try to reduce the time of your greiving the second, or third etc... time it happens to you again.

and for a small percentage, they are able to run the scenarios in their head so that they can do it the first time it happens to them.
not everyone needs to learn by pain. some people can learn by forcing themselves to do what hurts before it happens.

like hondaracers dad said, he'd say RIP to his own son after 2 days. he says that, but he might not feel it, but at least it's already in his mind, half molded, and he just has to believe it a little more. whereas the rest of you, the idea isn't even implanted in your heads. and good luck trying to implant that idea into your head AFTER the incident. you are totally unprepared mentally. and there's no way you can adapt when you're emotionally distraught.

that's all im saying. and for whatever reason, only a small number of people can understand it.

i'm not the type of asshole that would say "fuck it, they don't get it, fuck them, im better than them, so i'll just walk away and IGNORE them!"

I will keep lecturing. whether you wanna listen or not. cuz i know someone is listening, and it will benefit someone. and if i can benefit those who listen, that's good enough for me.

AWARENESS?? Just exactly what are you making them aware of?

Friend: I'm depressed, my mother just passed away.

Ulic: Did you know... that you can get over this.

Friend: Well no shit I can. But She just passed away yesterday, it will take some time.

Ulic: Yes I know, but I'm just giving you awareness that you have an option to get over this. In fact, you should do it right now. With enough training, you won't even feel a thing when close friends/family die next time. That is when you have mastered strong willpower.

:concentrate:

[RiceIntegraRS]

I wonder if the majority of the 328 Failed Posts from Ulic has come from this thread.

[underscore]

No, he's this ridiculous everywhere.

[Anjew]

Malaysia Airlines MH370: black box ping detected (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10746529/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-black-box-ping-detected-reports.html?fb)
Malaysia Airlines MH370: black box ping detected

A Chinese ship searching for the missing Malaysian Airlines plane has detected signals from a location in the South Indian Ocean, according to reports.
A black box detector deployed by the vessel Haixun 01 picked up the "pings" at around 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longitude - just north of the designated search area west of Perth.
The signal had a frequency of 37.5 kilohertz (cycles per second) - the standard for black box flight recorders and one that is chosen because it stands out from other noise.
A reporter with Chinese state broadcaster CCTV, who is on-board the Haixun, said the patrol ship first picked up the signal on Friday when it was detected intermittently for about 15 minutes. But other vessels were in the vicinity at the time, raising the possibility that they might have been the source.
But Haixun, China's largest patrol vessel, picked up the signal again on Saturday, when it was detected every second for 90 seconds.

A black box is designed to emit one pulse every second for approximately 30 days.
The area where Haixun may have detected the black box has water depths of 14,000 feet interspersed with undersea mountain ranges of up to 8,200 feet.

Dozens of ships, planes and submarines resumed the search on Saturday, the 28th day since it disappeared, with just days left to find the black box before its battery runs out.
Up to 10 military planes, three civilian jets and 11 ships took part in the protracted search in the southern Indian Ocean for the Boeing 777 which disappeared on March 8 with 239 people onboard.
The 128-metre Haixun patrol ship arrived on Friday at a new search area, north of a 1 million square mile area earlier designated by Australia.
The ship, which can reportedly travel for 10,000 nautical miles without refuelling, is one of two Chinese vessels currently searching for missing plane off the Australian coast.
Military and civilian planes, ships with deep-sea searching equipment and a British nuclear submarine are scouring a remote patch of the southern Indian Ocean off Australia's west coast, in the increasingly urgent hunt for debris and the "black box" recorders that hold vital information about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370's last hours.

Australian Defence Minister David Johnston urged caution, saying he had not received a report on the signal and warned that it may not be from the plane.
"This is not the first time we have had something that has turned out to be very disappointing," he told ABC television.
"I'm just going to wait for (JACC chief) Angus (Houston) and the team and my team to come forward with something that's positive because this is a very very difficult task."
Relatives of the 153 Chinese passengers of Flight MH370 were still digesting the news on Saturday.
Some said it was too early to discuss the possible find. Others said they were already convinced the "ping" had come from the missing plane's black box even though Chinese authorities have so far insisted that has not been confirmed.

"I just saw the news. Now I feel really sad. Earlier there was still a glimmer of hope," Chen Zesheng, whose cousin was on the plane, told The Telegraph on Saturday night.
Mr Chen, 63, said he had become "lost and disappointed" with the so far "fruitless" search. Saturday night's reports appeared at least to represent progress.
"We still want to know what happened. I hope the search and rescue ships, especially those from China, can carry on with their work, finding the debris of the plane as well as the passengers' belongings [so we have] something to remind us of ours loved-ones."

[Ball.J.Inder]

CNN gonna lost their shit with this one.

[FB6]

CNN gonna lost their shit with this one.

It started.
New findings may refocus search for Malaysia Airlines jet - CNN.com@@AMEPARAM@@video: 'international/2014/04/05/nr-chance-objects-spotted.cnn'@@AMEPARAM@@international/2014/04/05/nr-chance-objects-spotted.cnn

[Soundy]

In honor of today being one month since the disappearance of MH370, we have:

The depth of the problem - The Washington Post (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/?tid=sm_fb)

:fulloffuck:

Of course, this has been a problem from the start for this search, with people simply having no concept of the vastness of the area to be covered.

[twitchyzero]

recovering black box is one thing...just odd there's no debris to be found.

even the air france from 2009 had debris located within 2 weeks...and black box 2 years later.

cool link...didn't' realize it took them 73 years to find the Titanic

[Soundy]

It was that long before they even had the technology to find Titanic, let alone get anywhere close to it.

Considering the depth of the ocean where they're searching, and the sub-surface currents, anything that could float would probably be far from the final resting place by the time it reached the surface, especially if parts were breaking off as it went down. Depending on how it impacted, a large chunk of the plane could be on the bottom, meaning not a lot of debris making its way to the surface.

[XplicitLuder]

5th ping coming from the same area where the first one was detected. I guess that's the latest news so far?
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[FB6]

They're saying the ping from Thursday isn't from the black box but they know the approximate area where the pings that is from the black box is coming from.

Search officials say they are confident they know the approximate position of the black box recorder, although they have determined that the latest "ping", picked up by searchers on Thursday, was not from the missing aircraft.

Batteries in the black box recorder are already past their normal 30-day life, making the search to find it on the murky sea bed all the more urgent.

Once searchers are confident they have located it, they then plan to deploy a small unmanned "robot" known as an Autonomous Underwater Vehicle.

"Work continues in an effort to narrow the underwater search area for when the autonomous underwater vehicle is deployed," the Australian agency coordinating the search said on Saturday.

"There have been no confirmed acoustic detections over the past 24 hours," it said in a statement.

The black box records data from the cockpit and conversations among flight crew and may provide answers about what happened to the plane, which flew thousands of kilometres off course after taking off.

Flight MH370 live: Maritime expert says three pings have to have come from missing Malaysia Airlines plane - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/flight-mh370-live-maritime-expert-3376572#ixzz2yeRiAosp)
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[Harvey Specter]

Oh my...

Flight instructor featured in CNN's MH370 coverage is fired from job for alleged tardiness and 'shaming Canadians' for dressing like a teenager

uFly company owner Claudio Teixeira said he fired Mitchell Casado on Wednesday in part for refusing to dress professionally and making Canadians 'look very bad all over the world'
Casado's relaxed style of jeans and plaid shirts attracted wide attention during CNN's constant coverage of the search for the missing flight
CNN's Martin Savidge and Casado logged many hours reporting from the fake cockpit located at the company's office near the Toronto airport
The airport has a simulator that is the same model of the lost plane
Teixeira says he received many email complaints about the instructor's way of dressing during the time he appeared on CNN


Read more: Flight instructor Mitchell Casado featured in CNN's MH370 coverage fired from job for alleged tardiness and 'shaming Canadians' for dressing like a teenager | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2606615/Flight-instructor-featured-CNNs-MH370-coverage-fired-job-alleged-tardiness-shaming-Canadians-dressing-like-teenager.html#ixzz2z89aIYE6)
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[Lomac]

wtf :derp:

[Soundy]

Teixeira says he received many email complaints about the instructor's way of dressing during the time he appeared on CNN

I don't know which is stupider: firing the guy over these complaints... or people who actually took the time to complain about the way he dressed.

[underscore]

Anyone who complained about how he was dressed should be smacked for caring about how he looks. He's a pilot not a fucking model.

[StylinRed]

i will say i thought he looked rather comical/unprofessional with the way he has been dressed (earlier on anyhow i don't know if he spruced up a bit as ive long since stopped watching) but then i just dismissed it as "whatever" nevertheless it was surprising that he kept up with that look

it's also surprising to me that there were complaints from outside though... i would have thought if there would be any it would be from within his own company

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

let this be a lesson to all who think appearances don't matter.

guess what...





























they do.

[Soundy]

Love that the CNN talking heads can dress nice and then blather on endlessly about utter bullshit, while a professional who presumably know what he's talking about gets outright slammed because of the way he dresses :fulloffuck:

[underscore]

3 weeks and no new updates on this? WTF

[murd0c]

That basically means they don't have a clue and they will consider it lost. The airlines will pay out the family's and it will get lost in the news like it has been the past couple of weeks

[godwin]

According to this week's Fortune.. it is 200million for the plane.. with majority going to the airline..

That basically means they don't have a clue and they will consider it lost. The airlines will pay out the family's and it will get lost in the news like it has been the past couple of weeks

[JSALES]

I was just thinking about this today and wonder why there hasn't been any new updates and then I see this thread is revived

[fliptuner]

Watching an episode of Mayday about AirFrance 447. It took 2 years and over 32M euros to find it 4000M underwater. FDR and CVR were both recovered and the cause of the crash was discovered.

[truth]

Last words (http://www.planecrashinfo.com/lastwords.htm)

discovered this site through reddit, had some good insight on the air france incident as well as others. pretty eerie

[SpeedStars]

Pacific Air Lines Flight 773 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Air_Lines_Flight_773) came across this from the link you posted :heckno:

[fliptuner]

Check out Mayday S11E10 "I'm The Problem"

On 7 December 1987, Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771, on a flight to San Francisco, crashes at the speed of sound on a mountainside in rural San Luis Obispo County, California; all 43 people on board are killed. Investigators found that passenger David Burke, a former USAir employee, took a gun on board the aircraft and shot the pilots in a murder-suicide plot to kill his former supervisor (who was also a passenger on board) after being fired from his job days earlier. USAir was in the process of merging with PSA at the time of the crash.

[SpeedStars]

Just curious, for that episode did they change the name and occupation of the shooter so they could hide his identity?

[godwin]

Why the Official Explanation of MH370?s Demise Doesn?t Hold Up - Ari N. Schulman - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/why-the-official-explanation-of-mh370s-demise-doesnt-hold-up/361826/)


Why the Official Explanation of MH370’s Demise Doesn’t Hold Up
Outside satellite experts say investigators could be looking in the wrong ocean.
Ari N. Schulman May 8 2014, 8:00 AM ET
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A map showing satellite communications company Inmarsat's global subscriptions. (Reuters)

Investigators searching for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight were ebullient when they detected what sounded like signals from the plane’s black boxes. This was a month ago, and it seemed just a matter of time before the plane was finally discovered.

But now the search of 154 square miles of ocean floor around the signals has concluded with no trace of wreckage found. Pessimism is growing as to whether those signals actually had anything to do with Flight 370. If they didn’t, the search area would return to a size of tens of thousands of square miles.

Even before the black-box search turned up empty, observers had begun to raise doubts about whether searchers were looking in the right place. Authorities have treated the conclusion that the plane crashed in the ocean west of Australia as definitive, owing to a much-vaunted mathematical analysis of satellite signals sent by the plane. But scientists and engineers outside of the investigation have been working to verify that analysis, and many say that it just doesn’t hold up.
A Global Game of Marco Polo

Malaysia Airlines flights are equipped with in-flight communications services provided by the British company Inmarsat. From early on, the lynchpin of the investigation has been signals sent by Flight 370 to one of Inmarsat’s satellites. It’s difficult to overstate the importance of this lonely little batch of “pings.” They’re the sole evidence of what happened to the plane after it slipped out of radar contact. Without them, investigators knew only that the plane had enough fuel to travel anywhere within 3,300 miles of the last radar contact—a seventh of the entire globe.

Inmarsat concluded that the flight ended in the southern Indian Ocean, and its analysis has become the canonical text of the Flight 370 search. It’s the bit of data from which all other judgments flow—from the conclusive announcement by Malaysia’s prime minister that the plane has been lost with no survivors, to the black-box search area, to the high confidence in the acoustic signals, to the dismissal by Australian authorities of a survey company’s new claim to have detected plane wreckage.

Although Inmarsat officials have described the mathematical analysis as “groundbreaking,” it’s actually based on some relatively straightforward geometry. Here’s how it works: Every so often (usually about once an hour), Inmarsat’s satellite sends a message to the plane’s communication system, asking for a simple response to show that it’s still switched on. This response doesn’t specify the plane’s location or the direction it's heading, but it does have some useful information that narrows down the possibilities.

You can think of the ping math like a game of Marco Polo played over 22,000 miles of outer space. You can’t see the plane. But you shout Marco, and the plane shouts back Polo. Based on how long the plane takes to respond, you know how far away it is. And from the pitch of its voice, you can tell whether it’s moving toward you or away from you—like the sound of a car on the highway—and about how fast.

This information is far from perfect. You know how far the plane was for each ping, but the ping could be coming from any direction. And you how fast the plane is moving toward or away from you. It could also be moving right or left, up or down, and the speeds would sound the same. The task of the Inmarsat engineers has been to take these pieces and put them together, working backwards to reconstruct possible flight paths that would fit the data.
What’s the Frequency?

There are two relevant pieces of information for each ping: the time it took to travel from plane to satellite, and the radio frequency at which it was received. It’s important to keep in mind that the transit times of the pings correspond to distances between satellite and plane, while frequencies correspond to relative speeds between satellite and plane. And this part’s critical: Relative speed isn’t the plane’s actual airspeed, just how fast it’s moving toward or away from the satellite.

Authorities haven’t released much information about the distances—just the now-famous “two arcs” graphic, derived in part from the distance of the very last ping. But they’ve released much more information about the ping frequencies. In fact, they released a graph that shows all of them:
Inmarsat


This graph is the most important piece of evidence in the Inmarsat analysis. What it appears to show is the frequency shifts or “offsets”—the difference between the normal “pitch” of the plane’s voice (its radio frequency) and the one you actually hear.

The graph also shows the shifts that would be expected for two hypothetical flight paths, one northbound and one southbound, with the measured values closely matching the southbound path. This is why officials have been so steadfastly confident that the plane went south. It seems to be an open-and-shut verdict of mathematics.

So it should be straightforward to make sure that the math is right. That’s just what a group of analysts outside the investigation has been attempting to verify. The major players have been Michael Exner, founder of the American Mobile Satellite Corporation; Duncan Steel, a physicist and visiting scientist at NASA’s Ames Research Center; and satellite technology consultant Tim Farrar. They’ve used flight and navigation software like STK, which allows you to chart and make precise calculations about flight scenarios like this one. On their blogs and in an ongoing email chain, they’ve been trying to piece together the clues about Flight 370 and make sense of Inmarsat’s analysis. What follows is an attempt to explain and assess their conclusions.
What We Know

Although the satellite data provides the most important clues about the plane’s overall flight path, they’re not the only clues available. Authorities have some basic but crucial additional information about the flight that can help to make sense of the satellite math:

1. The satellite’s precise coordinates

The satellite in contact with Flight 370 was Inmarsat’s IOR satellite, parked in geostationary orbit above the Indian Ocean. The satellite is meant to be stationary, but its orbit has decayed somewhat, so that it actually rotates slightly around its previously fixed position. Its path is publicly available from the Center for Space Standards & Innovation.

2. The plane’s takeoff time and coordinates

16:41 UTC from the Kuala Lumpur airport.

3. The plane’s general motion toward or away from the satellite

From radar tracking, we know the plane traveled northeast, away from the satellite, over the first 40 minutes after takeoff, then westward, toward the satellite, until 94 minutes into the flight, when it was last detected on radar. Inmarsat spokesmen have stated that the ping distances got progressively longer over the last five hours of flight, meaning that the plane was moving away from the satellite during that time.

4. Two flight paths investigators think are consistent with the ping data

In addition to the frequency shift graph, the Inmarsat report includes a map with two “Example Southern Tracks,” one assuming a flight speed of 400 knots, the other a speed of 450 knots. Check it out:


Inmarsat

These bits of knowledge allow us to put some basic constraints on what a graph of the ping frequency shifts should look like. We’ll use more precise numbers later; for now, it’s helpful just to have some qualitative sense of what to expect:

5. Frequency shifts that should all be negative

When the plane is moving away from the satellite, the radio signal gets stretched out, so the frequency decreases. This means that the frequency shifts should be negative over most of the flight. Although there was an approximately one-hour period starting 40 minutes after takeoff when radar showed the plane moving westward, toward the satellite, the graph shows that no pings were sent during that time—so actually, all of the shifts on the graph should be negative.

6. Frequency shifts before takeoff that should be near zero

Plotting the satellite’s path in STK, you can see that it moves through an ellipse centered around the equator. Space scientist Steel has created this graphic of the satellite’s motion, including marks for its position when the plane took off and when it last pinged the satellite:
Duncan Steel.

The satellite’s motion is almost entirely north-south, and the plane’s takeoff location in Kuala Lumpur is almost due east of the satellite. This means that the satellite was only barely moving relative to Kuala Lumpur, so the frequency shift for a plane nearly stationary on the ground at the airport would be nearly zero.

7. Frequency shift graph should match map of southbound flight paths

The way the Marc-Polo math works is that, if you assume the plane traveled at some constant speed, you can produce at most one path north and one path south that fit the ping data. As the example flight paths on Inmarsat’s map show, the faster you assume the plane was moving overall, the more sharply the path must arc away from the satellite.

This constraint also works the other way: Since flight paths for a given airspeed are unique, you can work backwards from these example paths, plotting them in STK to get approximate values for the ping distances and relative speeds Inmarsat used to produce them. The relative speeds can then be converted into frequency shifts, which should roughly match the values on the frequency graph. (This is all assuming that Inmarsat didn’t plot the two example paths at random but based on the ping data.) We’ll put more precise numbers on this below.
The Troubled Graph

But the graph defies these expectations. Taken at face value, the graph shows the plane moving at a significant speed before it even took off, then moving toward the satellite every time it was pinged. This interpretation is completely at odds with the official conclusion, and flatly contradicted by other evidence.

The first problem seems rather straightforward to resolve: the reason the frequency shifts aren’t negative is probably that Inmarsat just graphed them as positive. Plotting absolute values is a common practice among engineers, like stating the distance to the ocean floor as a positive depth value rather than a negative elevation value.

But the problem of the large frequency shift before takeoff is more vexing. Exactly how fast does the graph show the plane and satellite moving away from each other prior to takeoff?

The first ping on the graph was sent at 16:30 UTC, eleven minutes prior to takeoff. The graphed frequency shift for this ping is about -85 Hz. Public records show that the signal from the plane to the satellite uses a frequency of 1626 to 1660 MHz. STK calculations show the satellite’s relative motion was just 2 miles per hour toward the airport at this time. Factoring in the satellite’s angle above the horizon, the plane would need to have been moving at least 50 miles per hour on the ground to produce this frequency shift—implausibly high eleven minutes prior to takeoff, when flight transcripts show the plane had just pushed back from the gate and not yet begun to taxi.

On the other side of the frequency graph, the plane’s last ping, at 00:11 UTC, shows a measured frequency shift of about -252 Hz, working out to a plane-to-satellite speed of just 103 miles per hour. But the sample southbound paths published by Inmarsat show the plane receding from the satellite at about 272 miles per hour at this time.

In other words, the frequency shifts are much higher than they should be at the beginning of the graph, and much lower than they should be at the end. Looking at the graph, it’s almost as if there’s something contributing to these frequency shift values other than just the motion between the satellite and the plane.
Cracking the 'Doppler Code'

Exner, an engineer who’s developed satellite and meteorology technologies since the early 1970s, noted that the measured frequency shifts might come not just from each ping’s transmission from plane to satellite, but also from the ping’s subsequent transmission from the satellite to a ground station that connects the satellites into the Inmarsat network. In other words, Exner may have found the hidden source that seems to be throwing off the frequency graph.

Inmarsat’s analysis is highly ambiguous about whether the satellite-to-ground transmission contributed to the measured frequency shift. But if it did, a ground station located significantly south of the satellite would have resulted in frequency shifts that could account for the measured shifts being too large at the beginning of the graph and too small at the end. And sure enough, Inmarsat’s analysis states that the ground station receiving the transmission was located in Australia.

It’s possible to check the theory more precisely. Public records of Inmarsat ground stations show just one in Australia: in Perth. Using STK, you can precisely chart the satellite’s speed relative to this station, and, using the satellite-to-ground signal frequency (about 3.6 GHz), you can then factor the satellite-to-ground shifts out of the frequency graph. Finally, you can at last calculate the true satellite-to-plane speed values.

The results seem to be nearly perfect. For the first ping, you wind up with a satellite-to-plane speed of about 1 mile per hour—just what you’d expect for a plane stationary or slowly taxiing eleven minutes before takeoff. This finding seems to provide a basic sanity check for interpreting the graph, and led Exner to declare on Twitter, “Doppler code cracked.” He produced a new graph of the frequency shifts, shown below. The gently sloping blue line shows the shifts between the satellite and the ground station in Perth, while the dotted red line shows the newly calculated satellite-to-plane shifts:
Michael Exner




Why Inmarsat’s Analysis Is Probably Wrong

If this interpretation—based on the work of Exner, Steel, Farrar, and myself—is correct, it would allow independent experts to fully review Inmarsat’s analysis, verify its work and check to see if Inmarsat might have missed any important clues that could further narrow down the plane’s whereabouts.

The problem is, although this interpretation matches two basic expectations for the frequency graph, it still doesn’t match Inmarsat’s example flight paths. The new frequency values, calculated by Exner, show the flight’s speed relative to the satellite as only about 144 miles per hour by the last ping, but Inmarsat’s example flight paths show a relative speed of about 272 miles per hour.

It’s possible these outside experts have still erred or missed some crucial detail in their attempts to understand the Inmarsat analysis. But that just means that Inmarsat’s analysis, as it has been presented, remains deeply confusing, or perhaps deeply confused. And there are other reasons to believe that Inmarsat’s analysis is not just unclear but mistaken. (Inmarsat stands by its analysis. More on that in a minute.)

Recall that the Marco-Polo math alone doesn’t allow you to tell which direction pings are coming from. So how could Inmarsat claim to distinguish between a northern and southern path at all? The reason is that the satellite itself wasn’t stationary. Because the satellite was moving north-south, it would have been moving faster toward one path than another—specifically, faster toward a southbound track than a northbound one over the last several hours of the flight. This means that the frequency shifts would also differ between a northbound and southbound path, as the graph shows with its two predicted paths.

But this is actually where the graph makes the least sense. The graph only shows different predicted values for the north and south tracks beginning at 19:40 UTC (presumably Inmarsat’s model used actual radar before this). By this time, the satellite was traveling south, and its southward speed would increase for the rest of the flight. The frequency shift plots for northern and southern paths, then, should get steadily further apart for the rest of the flight. Instead, the graph shows them growing closer. Eventually, they even pass each other: by the end of the flight, the graph shows the satellite traveling faster toward a northbound flight path than a southbound one, even though the satellite itself was flying south.

One ping alone is damning. At 19:40 UTC, the satellite was almost motionless, having just reached its northernmost point. The graph shows a difference of about 80 Hz between predicted northbound and southbound paths at this time, which would require the satellite to be moving 33 miles per hour faster toward the southbound path than the northbound one. But the satellite’s overall speed was just 0.07 miles per hour at that time.

Inmarsat claims that it found a difference between a southbound and northbound path based on the satellite’s motion. But a graph of the frequency shifts along those paths should look very different from the one Inmarsat has produced.
Losing Faith

Either Inmarsat’s analysis doesn’t totally make sense, or it’s flat-out wrong.

For the last two months, I’ve been trying to get authorities to answer these questions. Malaysia Airlines has not returned multiple requests for comment, nor have officials at the Malaysian Ministry of Transportation. Australia’s Joint Agency Coordination Centre and the UK’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch, which have been heavily involved in the investigation, both declined to comment.

An Inmarsat official told me that to “a high degree of certainty, the proponents of other paths are wrong. The model has been carefully mapped out using all the available data.”

The official cited Inmarsat’s participation in the investigation as preventing it from giving further detail, and did not reply to requests for comments on even basic technical questions about the analysis. Inmarsat has repeatedly claimed that it checked its model against other aircrafts that were flying at the time, and peer-reviewed the model with other industry experts. But Inmarsat won’t say who reviewed it, how closely, or what level of detail they were given.

Until officials provide more information, the claim that Flight 370 went south rests not on the weight of mathematics but on faith in authority. Inmarsat officials and search authorities seem to want it both ways: They release charts, graphics, and statements that give the appearance of being backed by math and science, while refusing to fully explain their methodologies. And over the course of this investigation, those authorities have repeatedly issued confident pronouncements that they’ve later quietly walked back.

The biggest risk to the investigation now is that authorities continue to assume they’ve finally found the area where the plane went down, while failing to explore other possibilities simply because they don’t fit with a mathematical analysis that may not even hold up.

After all, searchers have yet to find any hard evidence—not so much as a shred of debris—to confirm that they’re looking in the right ocean.

[Gucci Mane]

too long post is long

[hchang]

too long post is long

Read it when you're taking a shit then

[underscore]

According to The Canadian Press the plane was on autopilot and it most likely crashed in a 60,000km^2 area 1,800 km off the west coast of Australia.

Investigators looking into the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines plane are confident it was on autopilot when it crashed in a remote stretch of the Indian Ocean, Australian officials said Thursday as they announced the latest shift in the search for the jet.

After analyzing data exchanged between the plane and a satellite, officials believe Flight 370 was on autopilot the entire time it was flying across a vast expanse of the southern Indian Ocean, based on the straight path it took, Australian Transport Safety Bureau chief commissioner Martin Dolan said.

"Certainly for its path across the Indian Ocean, we are confident that the aircraft was operating on autopilot until it ran out of fuel," Dolan told reporters in Canberra, the nation's capital.

Asked whether the autopilot would have to be manually switched on, or whether it could have been activated automatically under a default setting, Dolan replied, "The basic assumption would be that if the autopilot is operational it's because it's been switched on."

But exactly why the autopilot would have been set on a flight path so far off course from the jet's destination of Beijing, and exactly when it was switched on remains unknown.

"We couldn't accurately, nor have we attempted to, fix the moment when it was put on autopilot," Transport Minister Warren Truss said. "It will be a matter for the Malaysian-based investigation to look at precisely when it may have been put on autopilot."

The latest nugget of information from the investigation into Flight 370 came as officials announced yet another change in the search area for the plane that vanished on March 8 after taking off from Kuala Lumpur with 239 passengers and crew on board.

The new search area is several hundred kilometres (miles) southwest of the most recent suspected crash site, about 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) off Australia's west coast, Dolan said. Powerful sonar equipment will scour the seabed for wreckage in the new search zone, which officials calculated by reanalyzing the existing satellite data.

The shift was expected, with Dolan saying last week the new zone would be south of an area where a remote-controlled underwater drone spent weeks fruitlessly combing 850 square kilometres (330 square miles) of seabed. That search area was determined by a series of underwater sounds initially thought to have come from the plane's black boxes. But those signals are now widely believed to have come from some other source.

The new 60,000-square kilometre (23,000-square mile) search area falls within a vast expanse of ocean that air crews have already scoured for floating debris, to no avail. Officials have since called off the air search, since any debris would likely have sunk long ago.

The hunt is now focused underwater. Beginning in August, private contractors will use powerful side-scan sonar equipment capable of probing ocean depths of 7 kilometres (4.3 miles) to comb the ocean floor in the new search zone. The job is expected to take 12 months to complete.

Truss said he was optimistic that the latest search zone is most likely the crash site. But he warned that finding the plane remains a huge task.

"The search will still be painstaking," he said. "Of course, we could be fortunate and find it in the first hour or the first day — but it could take another 12 months."

[adambomb]

Malaysian plane MH17 reportedly shot down near Ukraine-Russia border

:fulloffuck: :seriously:



A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board was shot down near the border of Ukraine and Russian, according to a number of reports.

The airliner was shot down at an altitude of 10 kilometres above eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainian bureau of the Russian-based news agency Interfax reported, citing an agency industry source

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysian-plane-mh17-reportedly-shot-down-near-ukraine-russia-border-1.2709881

[Razor Ramon HG]

Just so people know, this second incident is a different aircraft.

[sonick]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/29/mh370-experts-analyse-wreckage-plane-wing-found-reunion-island_n_7896548.html?1438188738

https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/3f19cd/piece_of_wing_debris_found_in_r%C3%A9union_island_ part/

They found a part of a wing they are confident came from a 777. Apparently there are no known missing 777s besides the MH370.

[v_tec]

^ not necessary 777

An investigation was opened to determine the origin of the flight track. No track is currently preferred . Three hypotheses are nevertheless mentioned:
- A debris from the crash of a twin-engine occurred May 4, 2006 close to the southern coast of the island.
- A fragment of the flight MH370 Malaysia Airlines reported missing in the Indian Ocean in March 2014.
- A piece of the A310 of Yemenia crashed off the Comoros in June 2009."

AirLive.net: BREAKING Piece of wing found on La Réunion Island, is that could be flap of #MH370 ? (http://www.airlive.net/2015/07/breaking-piece-of-wing-found-on-la.html)

[sonick]

^

UPDATE 17:30UTC Experts: debris found on Reunion Island show 'incredible similarities with Beoing (sic) 777

[Lomac]

UPDATE 22:34UTC Boeing says the only missing plane of that type is the Malaysian Airlines #MH370 that disappeared.

UPDATE 22:10UTC The official says investigators — including a Boeing air safety investigator — have identified the component as a "flaperon" from the trailing edge of a 777 wing.

Interesting...

[Ronin]

Whatever. Let me know when they actually find the plane. We went through months of "OH THEY FOUND THIS THING IT MUST BE THE PLANE" only to come up with nothing.

[Lomac]

Whatever. Let me know when they actually find the plane. We went through months of "OH THEY FOUND THIS THING IT MUST BE THE PLANE" only to come up with nothing.

True. However, if it does turn out that this piece does belong to the missing 777, then that should put to bed all the conspiracy theories that the plane is in hiding or being used by pirates or some of the other outlandish ideas out there.

[underscore]

^ if only it would, however I feel like this would just bring on more conspiracies about someone stealing a spare/junker 777 part and dumping it to cover their tracks.

[hud 91gt]

I don't know about wings exactly. But aircraft parts have specific serial numbers and are recorded in maintenance logs. There has to be something on it to identify the part, and if there is it will be traceable.

[ae101]

so this is what my dads malaysian friends told us & at this point it seems to be the most logical explanation as oppose to the other ones:

after 911, boeing started to put these auto controls on their planes, which means BOEING CAN TAKE FULL CONTROL OVER THE PLANE in case there is another hijack attack like 911

that day before take off, US CIA was suppose to look for a chinese woman that has US top secret military files & she was suppose to bring those files back to bejing, boarding MH370

but CIA couldnt find her in time & all they knew was that she was boarding MH370, so they told boeing to take control over the plane so they can retrieve what they were set out to get

this is why the plane disappear from the radar all of a sudden

planes dismantled, so there is no oil trace or any trace what so every

this also explains why the plane flew so high & then came down so suddenly, as this will knock EVERYONE on the plane unconscious

also explains why china put in soooooooooo much effort in to find the plane when they dont even give a crap about human lifes/rights

this also explains why US keeps misleading china (well news said they were)

now this may not be true, but some how its the most logical explanation so far that i have hear

[StylinRed]

ae101s account was taken over by CiC

[Gucci Mane]

so this is what my dads malaysian friends told us & at this point it seems to be the most logical explanation as oppose to the other ones:

after 911, boeing started to put these auto controls on their planes, which means BOEING CAN TAKE FULL CONTROL OVER THE PLANE in case there is another hijack attack like 911

that day before take off, US CIA was suppose to look for a chinese woman that has US top secret military files & she was suppose to bring those files back to bejing, boarding MH370

but CIA couldnt find her in time & all they knew was that she was boarding MH370, so they told boeing to take control over the plane so they can retrieve what they were set out to get

this is why the plane disappear from the radar all of a sudden

planes dismantled, so there is no oil trace or any trace what so every

this also explains why the plane flew so high & then came down so suddenly, as this will knock EVERYONE on the plane unconscious

also explains why china put in soooooooooo much effort in to find the plane when they dont even give a crap about human lifes/rights

this also explains why US keeps misleading china (well news said they were)

now this may not be true, but some how its the most logical explanation so far that i have hear

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/bc/bcf7e443cbe63fb34ae6615eb842486517d882f1e3ddcb5087 c1b79777ef2129.jpg

[Soundy]

so this is what my dads malaysian friends told us & at this point it seems to be the most logical explanation as oppose to the other ones:

....

now this may not be true, but some how its the most logical explanation so far that i have hear

25358

[underscore]

ae101s account was taken over by CiC

Can't be CiC, there's no mention of Zionists.

[SumAznGuy]

Debris number corresponds to Boeing 777 component - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/world/mh370-debris-investigation/index.html)

It's getting closer to a match. Hopefully we will know by tonight.

[shawnly1000]

https://twitter.com/cbcalerts/status/628986377066168321

[SumAznGuy]

Malaysian Prime Minister: Debris is from MH370 - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/05/world/mh370-investigation/)

Confirmed.

[twitchyzero]

a closure some 17 months later

[RRxtar]

cant help but put my tinfoil hat on and (while unlikely) think the wing segment was planted. the whole story is just too fucked up for one piece of wing washing up on a beach a year and a half later to be enough.

some of the conspiracy theories about the whole thing would make a good base story for a movie. think: group of scientists discover some crazy new tech. chinese government wants to bring them home. brb plane hijacked and made to look like a crash. changes direction, signal/coms/beacon turned off. ends up in diego garcia. plane piece planted on an island to make it look like debris washed up on shore. a wild matt damon appears.

[Bouncing Bettys]

The go-to move for conspiracy theorists, after being confronted with evidence contrary to their narrative, is to shift the goal posts.

It has been and interesting mystery to say the least. As Captain Picard once said: "Clues were left behind that suggested a mystery. And to many humans, a mystery is irresistible. It must be solved." It appears, as is often the case, the simplest explanation is the most likely answer.

[Lomac]

cant help but put my tinfoil hat on and (while unlikely) think the wing segment was planted. the whole story is just too fucked up for one piece of wing washing up on a beach a year and a half later to be enough.

What's so outlandish about it, though? A trip-7 is a big ass plane. It if crashed into the ocean (instead of ditching), it would have shattered into thousands of pieces. A flaperon is pretty hollow and would be relatively buoyant. Ocean currents being what they are would undoubtedly let some debris float into islands part way around the world. It's also quite feasible that other debris had found its way onto Reunion Island, but was never thought of being as a piece of the plane, so it was destroyed. The same story probably happened on other islands as well.

[twitchyzero]

cant help but put my tinfoil hat on and (while unlikely) think the wing segment was planted. the whole story is just too fucked up for one piece of wing washing up on a beach a year and a half later to be enough.

some of the conspiracy theories about the whole thing would make a good base story for a movie. think: group of scientists discover some crazy new tech. chinese government wants to bring them home. brb plane hijacked and made to look like a crash. changes direction, signal/coms/beacon turned off. ends up in diego garcia. plane piece planted on an island to make it look like debris washed up on shore. a wild matt damon appears.

you got your damn references wrong
they found Oceanic 815, which also happens to be a 777, at the bottom of the ocean. Then the lie detector determined, that was a lie.

[twitchyzero]

Three-Year Search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Ends Where It Started: Shrouded in Mystery - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-search-suspended-1484633597?mod=e2fb)

In the weeks after Flight 370 disappeared, Australian officials said they knew less about the search area than is known about the surface of the moon.


That is still largely the case, officials acknowledge, but they have now mapped the region’s ocean floor. In the process, the search uncovered previously unknown undersea volcanoes and canyons, at least two shipwrecks dating back as far as the 19th century, along with more mundane objects such as discarded oil barrels. The search also lent a greater understanding of cold deep-ocean currents that drive Earth’s climate, said Robin Beaman, an Australian marine geologist.

“As a data set for the global scientific community there is nothing to match it,” Mr. Beaman said.

will probably go down as one of the biggest mysteries of our lifetime

poor families of the victims

[Raid3n]

one silver lining you could take from it is their loss provided a large amount of data for the scientific community.