[TypeRNammer]

LMAO Ferrari...

Leclerc: Wait, what are these tyres?

Good quali for Albon, that Williams has some pace in the straights.

I LOL'd too when I heard Leclerc asking about the tires :lawl:

https://youtu.be/pvft48PLZ5s

EDIT: Here's the radio in question

[StylinRed]

Good job Ferrari! Amazing fantastic work! :lol

[snowball]

RB came back with a rocket after the break and Ferrari has leaned nothing. Done deal now, so much for Mercedes coming back for some wins in the second half when Max can destroy the field from 14th. :fuckthatshit:

[pastarocket]

Hamilton accepts blame for the crash with Alonso.


Wow, look at Hamilton’s car in mid air haha:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220828/9463156cefa44f32427006789b574cac.jpg



https://twitter.com/F1/status/1563921347859849223?s=20&t=fl-SZJfbksAkTBAGXL8i8w

Bbc.com

The two were disputing second place at the time, and the incident caused Hamilton's retirement after less than a lap and made Spaniard Alonso drop to fourth after he had moved up from third to second at the start.
However, Hamilton said the incident was "definitely my fault", adding: "Just didn't leave quite enough space. Wasn't intentional. Just happened."
His Mercedes went up on two wheels and Hamilton said he "nearly broke my back coming down".
He added: "I remember just looking at the ground so I knew I was quite high. Definitely high. Grateful to be alive and in shape."

Alonso had some choice words for Hamilton saying: "What an idiot! Closing the door from the outside. We had a mega start but yeah. This guy only knows how to drive starting first." :lawl:

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[StylinRed]

What was funny was Crofty trying to suggest Hamilton left as much space as possible yet Alonso hit him :lol n then Brundle was like uhh no

[impactX]

Ferrari is too much of a joke as always, just a reminder of how they failed Alonso and Vettel during their prime.

[TypeRNammer]

https://register.f1lasvegasgp.com/?fbclid=IwAR0ey60OLgVdNhB3A6xF9rnKLPYQpRWbvd-vpfsdebURYbfqaMo-R3FpwTE

Pre register for the 2023 Las Vegas GP

[TOS'd]

$7.77 donation to join priority list and priority list does not guarantee you will be able to purchase tickets.

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/130596/steiner-merchandise-announcement-breaks-haas-website.html

Apparently the Haas merch website broke from too much traffic.

He does not fok smash my door short looks like to be a hot seller :lawl:

[Hondaracer]

The caption for this photo was sonthing like merc and Ferrari are licking their lips to finally see this picture

https://i.imgur.com/Fkvb6ke.jpg

Fuck pretty crazy. I guess I read somthing that Lewis said thay one of the redbull engineers did his masters thesis on ground effects or somthing?

[sonick]

The caption for this photo was sonthing like merc and Ferrari are licking their lips to finally see this picture

https://i.imgur.com/Fkvb6ke.jpg

Fuck pretty crazy. I guess I read somthing that Lewis said thay one of the redbull engineers did his masters thesis on ground effects or somthing?

Adrian Newey, not "just" any one of their engineers.

[MarkyMark]

I'm far from an F1 expert but Mercedes and Ferrari don't have the means to have people that can figure out how to make their car faster? How can Red Bull be that much better?

[bomberR17]

I'm far from an F1 expert but Mercedes and Ferrari don't have the means to have people that can figure out how to make their car faster? How can Red Bull be that much better?

There simply no one that can match what Adrian Newey has done for aerodynamics and car design. He didn't just win with Red Bull, he won with Williams and McLaren, total of 12 championships with his cars.

[MarkyMark]

There simply no one that can match what Adrian Newey has done for aerodynamics and car design. He didn't just win with Red Bull, he won with Williams and McLaren, total of 12 championships with his cars.

That truly is amazing in this day and age lol. At this point I thought computers would be giving the blueprint for the best way to go about aerodynamics in a race car

[roastpuff]

That truly is amazing in this day and age lol. At this point I thought computers would be giving the blueprint for the best way to go about aerodynamics in a race car

The teams are actually limited in how much computing power and aero tunnel time they can use to model their cars as part of the regulation.

[SkinnyPupp]

Q was fun to watch. The Red Bulls oversteer like crazy but look at those times. The Ferraris are more fun to watch but less chaotic looking (and a hundredth slower)

Poor Lewis gets fucked by Perez crashing during his final lap LUL

[EvoFire]

Wow Ferrari.... You had one job.... How can you screw up pitstops so massively.

[sonick]

Exciting strategy-based race today.

So unfortunate for the safety cars, Hamilton could've won it.

Can't blame the team for not swapping Hamilton to soft with Russell, that was a gamble that paid off.

[TypeRNammer]

Exciting strategy-based race today.

So unfortunate for the safety cars, Hamilton could've won it.

Can't blame the team for not swapping Hamilton to soft with Russell, that was a gamble that paid off.

George was the smart one making the call to pit for softs

It was just another Abu Dhabi moment for Lewis.

[TypeRNammer]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNwRpQY9/

"Carlos, would you like three tires or four tires? Question"

[FN-2199]

Lewis really thought he had a chance :lol

[Hondaracer]

Fun race, the sainz pass with Bottas on the side was sketch af lol

[TypeRNammer]

Lewis really thought he had a chance :lol

https://youtu.be/dFwDsMfMxB0

After listening to the radio, seemed like Lewis wanted to use George as a buffer.

[StylinRed]

It was a fun race but Max wasn't even pushing and ended up 4 seconds ahead, even if Merc got the right strategy down Max would likely have walked em anyhow

[Koflach]

I don't see how Mattia Binotto can keep his job after this season. TOo many unforced errors.

[StylinRed]

Hamilton fans are going rabid against RB's strategist Hannah Schmitz cuz she was seen smiling on the radio soon after Tsunoda dnf'd

They think she orchestrated it with alpha tauri

Reps for every team are issuing rebukes against the vitirol

[TypeRNammer]

Lewis really thought he had a chance :lol

https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-himself-to-blame-rookie-mistake-dutch-gp/

Reports are coming out saying Lewis was in the wrong engine mode

[SkinnyPupp]

Lewis got fucked again.. I asked before why everyone hates Russell, and now I'm starting to see it. Not a team player. He got himself P2 instead of P3 but it cost the team overall.

And as usual, everything works out in Verstappen's favour LUL

[ncrx]

GR made the right call on tires
MB made the wrong team call for lewis.
Without fresh tires there was no way they were going to stay ahead of max, no matter if it was 2 cars or not.
IF it was a VSC, hamilton might have had a chance.
but a full safety car the pack is bunched, what did MB expect? hold him off on cold used yellows vs fresh reds on a RB on low fuel?

Its like they learnt nothing from abu dhabi.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah they needed to either change both to soft, or stick with their original plan. There's a good chance neither would have worked for a 1st place finish, but what they did was favour one driver over the other, and the entire team. Ridiculous

[ncrx]

i think you're reading a little too much into a split second decision.

what mercedes did was throw away a 2/3 finish by not pitting both for softs, by rolling the dice for a win which was not on the cards.

if they had both stayed out on yellows its very possible they would have missed the podium completely.

max was over a second lap quicker than lewis after the restart.

[SkinnyPupp]

i think you're reading a little too much into a split second decision.

what mercedes did was throw away a 2/3 finish by not pitting both for softs, by rolling the dice for a win which was not on the cards.

if they had both stayed out on yellows its very possible they would have missed the podium completely.

max was over a second lap quicker than lewis after the restart.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but split second decisions is what this is all about. They made the right one for one guy but not the other.

The team knows they failed at least, so it's not like they're defending themselves (like Ferrari always does). I guess there's no point on ranting about it anymore. It just sucks for Lewis

[Hondaracer]

Merc didn’t decide to put Russel on new tires though, he basically forced the pit himself

If I’m remembering right he basically took the last corner before the pit then headed straight into the pit saying put me on softs I believe

[sonick]

Merc didn’t decide to put Russel on new tires though, he basically forced the pit himself

If I’m remembering right he basically took the last corner before the pit then headed straight into the pit saying put me on softs I believe

Lewis got fucked again.. I asked before why everyone hates Russell, and now I'm starting to see it. Not a team player. He got himself P2 instead of P3 but it cost the team overall.

And as usual, everything works out in Verstappen's favour LUL

That's what Skinny is saying. Russell forced it and took it upon himself. He's smart enough to know what the team was trying to do, but also saw the opportunity to get more points for himself, and he took advantage of the latter.

I don't blame him though, the championship wasn't on the line or anything for Merc. It's a race team but your biggest rival is always your teammate, gotta look out for yourself.

[Great68]

I think it's fantastic that Russell is giving Lewis a run for his money, 30 points up in the championship, kind of stamps out any talk about "#2 driver"...

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup Russell made the selfish but smart decision and benefited from it. The team went along with it, which means tehy don't see themselves as a team, but managers of two different drivers. I'm not looking for a #2 driver, but if you're teammates, you're teammates and you work together to succeed as a team. If not.. well then you're not really a team. If that's how they want to do it, then.. there you go!

From now on maybe Lewis can start calling his own shots and hope the "team" goes through with it like they did for George. He'll beat Russell 10 times out of 10 if they allow that.

I think a lot of fans would prefer it this way anyway. If only they could somehow double the constructors so everyone gets one driver (obviously impossible)

[Spoon]

Congrats to Russell for being on pace to win the Rosberg Award. Where you outperform your teammate (heck, even win a championship) and will still be treated as the #2 driver.

Unless Lewis drops off massively, he will always be prioritized by Mercedes. Schumacher won his 7th chip 18 years ago and Ferrari is still profiting from all the free marketing they get. You think Merc doesn't want that from a record breaking 8th championship with Hamilton?

[Great68]

Oh come on, you're delusional if you think Merc actually had a chance for race win. And without Russell pitting they would have more likely ended 4,5 rather than 2,4.

This call actually made more points for the team

What Merc should have done is pit both for softs.

[SkinnyPupp]

Honeslty I am totally down for a Russell/Hamilton rivalry

Just as long as the team treats them both the same. From now on don't use a losing strategy for one, and a winning strategy for the other

[HonestTea]

Oh come on, you're delusional if you think Merc actually had a chance for race win. And without Russell pitting they would have more likely ended 4,5 rather than 2,4.

This call actually made more points for the team

What Merc should have done is pit both for softs.

Winner winner.

[Great68]

I mean, if "treating them equally" is intentionally stifling the better judgement call, then sure sounds very equal.

[Great68]

Merc didn’t decide to put Russel on new tires though, he basically forced the pit himself

If I’m remembering right he basically took the last corner before the pit then headed straight into the pit saying put me on softs I believe

This is false, from the radio transcripts he had the team's permission to pit far before he came in:


George:

ENG: Safety car, safety car, keep the delta positive, you are staying out.
RUS: Are you sure? You don't want to put the soft on?
ENG: You're staying out.
RUS: What happens if we put the soft on? Where do we fall?
ENG: So be on standby, be on standby.
RUS : If it's only Ver- if it's only Leclerc, I'm happy to box.
ENG: So we are splitting, you are staying out. Delta, delta. Stay close to your delta.
RUS: Confirm staying out?
ENG: Staying out, staying out. Look Verstappen on exit, stay tight. So Verstappen stopped for the soft. So it is 16 laps to go. Work tyres and brakes. So Leclerc has also stopped, imagine it'll be soft. So safety car will come through the pitlane, so you are following the safety car through the pitlane, you are not stopping.
RUS: Why not? Let's stop. Let's put the soft on. I'm losing the tyres, I think we need to put the soft on.
ENG: Okay so build a gap, build a gap. Stop, stop, stop, box, box, box, box, box!

​

Lewis:

ENG: So safety car, safety car, keep the delta positive. So we'll go Strat Mode 1.
HAM: Has [Verstappen] got the safety car window?
ENG: So Verstappen in the pitlane, we're staying out. Stay out, stay out! So (it'll) be close to Verstappen on exit. Delta positive.
HAM: What tyres?
ENG: So Verstappen on the soft tyre, he's currently behind George.
HAM: How many laps?
ENG: We've got 15 to go.
HAM: Understood.
ENG: Safety car through the pitlane. Yeah, just remember staying in the fast lane, so stay in the fast lane going through.
HAM: probably sees George stopping in his mirrors Why did you stop George?
ENG: I don't know Lewis, I'll let you know.
HAM: That was a mistake mate. We had track position*. We had a buffer between us, now we don't have that.



I mean you kind of have to have the team's permission, or you'd be sitting there in the pitbox like a dumbass while you wait for the team to bring your tires... (where have we seen that before? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f205T6Y4btw)

[teggy604]

Crazy that the driver has no control of his car. Dude wants softs and engineer tells him no. At this point just put a robot in the car.

[StylinRed]

Not to mention Ham had his car in the wrong engine mode at the restart, not that it would have mattered in the long run, but still

[The Producer]

srs bsns about to go down

https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/305995777_10160308789822774_4046219998680849254_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=l8pz6fT0_LcAX_9XqWQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_x3Osu6sZPzFJZklKNyZDv30dmoylowYeEJSpFDt6v 6A&oe=6320DEBF

[sonick]

srs bsns about to go down

https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/305995777_10160308789822774_4046219998680849254_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=l8pz6fT0_LcAX_9XqWQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_x3Osu6sZPzFJZklKNyZDv30dmoylowYeEJSpFDt6v 6A&oe=6320DEBF

Billy from Stranger Things cosplay?

[StylinRed]

So Porsche supposedly backed out of F1 already -_-

[Vancouver240sx]

So Porsche supposedly backed out of F1 already -_-

Mario Adretti must be sending them love letters right now

Rich

[bcrdukes]

Did they state why?

[StylinRed]

They couldn't come to a deal with Red Bull, I think Porsche wanted to own half the team or something n RB was like fu

And Porsche simply said F1 with the new regs is still enticing but /shrug

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.porsche-say-f1-remains-an-attractive-environment-after-ruling-out-red-bull.1D7N9E7a4iKWRmKQM4t5Gu.html

[The Producer]

https://streamable.com/bubl2f

not sure if this will imbed, but starting grid finally explained in a way that (kind of) makes sense

[TypeRNammer]

https://streamable.com/bubl2f

not sure if this will imbed, but starting grid finally explained in a way that (kind of) makes sense

Thank you!

I was dead tired trying to watch the quali and figuring out where everyone slotted in

[StylinRed]

Wow sky and all these fans are such hypocrites, basically same circumstances as end of Abu Dhabi, but this time the race ends under the SC and now everyone is like "we should end on racing!" :lol

De Vries had a great showing!

Max can win the WDC in the next race at Singapore

[Great68]

Today's race kind of illustrates why I never understood and laughed at the "Ferrari has the fastest car" comments this season.

Ferrari had nothing on the Red Bull's pace today.

[FN-2199]

De Vries was amazing today!

lol @ Latifi

[TypeRNammer]

Today's race kind of illustrates why I never understood and laughed at the "Ferrari has the fastest car" comments this season.

Ferrari had nothing on the Red Bull's pace today.

Ferrari is the fastest....at quali pace but not so much at a race pace :lawl:

[Oshiguru]

Today's race kind of illustrates why I never understood and laughed at the "Ferrari has the fastest car" comments this season.

Ferrari had nothing on the Red Bull's pace today.

So far this season we've seen the tracks with more straights the RB has the pace. With more turns, it leans slightly towards Ferrari

Also as a Sainz fan the last few races have been :okay:

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiXe84kA9_n/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Nice to see Kimi in the paddock

[Spoon]

Historical average for converting pole to wins is around 40%. Leclerc is close at 37.5%, so it's definitely not the strategy team. :badpokerface:

[The Producer]

fastest car is winning the races as expected

RB hasn't caught in bad luck in awhile. i mean a wheel gun could change things but it hasn't happened.

finishing under yellow sucks

EDIT: forgot about praising de vries. awesome debut.

i wish I could pull for a canadian driver - but they're both such clowns. latifi needs to step away.

[Teriyaki]

They did not do Moto Racing this time around.

[SkinnyPupp]

Of course the fans and drivers would all have wanted a red flag and restart... But since everything has to go RB's way, that was never going to happen Kappa

[inv4zn]

Wonder what it feels like to be 21st in a competition of 20...lol

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-announces-24-race-calendar-for-2023.7oNRaq4kZ2bwTAmL7r6dqg.html

2023 Race Calendar

24 races including Las Vegas

[EvoFire]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-announces-24-race-calendar-for-2023.7oNRaq4kZ2bwTAmL7r6dqg.html

2023 Race Calendar

24 races including Las Vegas

3 US races + Canada + Mexico. That's a lot of North America presence.

[SkinnyPupp]

3 US races + Canada + Mexico. That's a lot of North America presence.
They're huge in the US especially with that big ESPN TV deal

They do big ratings, despite playing at weird times of day

[Great68]

Liberty has definitely accomplished their goal of increasing the popularity of F1 in the USA, and I think F1 is all the better for it.

24 races next year is awesome! I can't believe there are people out there saying that's too many races and 20 races should be max. How does someone call themselves a racing fan, yet want LESS RACING?

[StylinRed]

I preferred the sub 16 race seasons we had in the 90s/00s actually, but that's bcuz back then we had to get up at like 4am to watch a race :lol now with races set to a North American friendly hour of like 7am the races aren't so bad to catch

But I can understand ppl being exhausted with trying to keep up with all the races, not just the fans, but the actual crew/staff of the F1 community

[SkinnyPupp]

I preferred the sub 16 race seasons we had in the 90s/00s actually, but that's bcuz back then we had to get up at like 4am to watch a race :lol now with races set to a North American friendly hour of like 7am the races aren't so bad to catch

But I can understand ppl being exhausted with trying to keep up with all the races, not just the fans, but the actual crew/staff of the F1 community
I like a lot of races because you don't have to catch every one if the timing doesn't work out. For me I've skipped races that were spoiled for me. And let's face it, not all races are super exciting.

[The Producer]

allow myself to quote...myself


i wish I could pull for a canadian driver - but they're both such clowns. latifi needs to step away.

latifi/GOATifi is officially out at Williams.

nothing in stone yet for replacement - waiting to hear where de vries lands next year

https://talksport.com/sport/motorsport/1201200/williams-nicholas-latifi-formula-1-news-nyck-de-vries/?utm_campaign=talksportfacebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1T68SpEbvKFxUF6A7QDGUBieOA82eNx0KYqoQ0S Nwn8d-ZrhgWKnHB3fE#Echobox=1663936554

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/49/64/5949649c977d41bc19f502293efd4a74.jpg

[StylinRed]

What a mess of a race!

Bought tickets for next year tho :lol

I didn't know about the concert headliners this time around, would've been cool, it was a 90s hit makers, TLC, Green Day, Black Eyed Peas, Westlife, etc, n a couple newer guys like Marshmello and Kid Laroi

[Eff-1]

What a coincidence this video about F1 events just came out!

https://www.facebook.com/wtf1official/videos/830418835049865/

I don't know if I can see myself making it to an F1 event anytime soon. I hate crowds and long lines relative to the high ticket prices.

[TypeRNammer]

Wow Monza looks like an absolute shit show.

[Great68]

I went to the Montreal GP in 2012 and that seemed well organized, had no real issues other than it did take some time to leave the venue after the race on Sunday.

[sonick]

I am sure the F1 crowd in 2012 is far different than the current one with the attention its gotten via Drive to Survive.

[Great68]

Oh I'm sure it's changed a bit, but I still don't think Canada is a place where you'd encounter F1 hooliganism like what happened in Monza or Austria.

[HonestTea]

Barcelona's transportation system during F1 this year was WACK. Traffic (cars), buses, trains etc had insane queues(2hr+)

[StylinRed]

Yeah been hearing nothing but horror stories from most the GP's this year, not in terms of violence/racism just bad organisation, terrible access to toilets, lack of water etc

But hopefully next year everyone will have a hold on it, I also imagine crowds will be lower, this is like the first year of "back to normal" so everyone's itching to attend

[pastarocket]

-can't wait to watch the Japanese Grand Prix this Saturday.

10pm PST.

-weather forecast for that day/evening in Suzuka is sunny weather.

[roastpuff]

Yeah been hearing nothing but horror stories from most the GP's this year, not in terms of violence/racism just bad organisation, terrible access to toilets, lack of water etc

But hopefully next year everyone will have a hold on it, I also imagine crowds will be lower, this is like the first year of "back to normal" so everyone's itching to attend

This seems to mostly be limited to the European GPs... Singapore GP seems to have been very efficiently run, and Montreal was OK from what I heard.

[TypeRNammer]

Speaking of the Japanese GP, Redbull and Honda are back together.

I'm so glad the Porsche deal fell through

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.honda-logo-to-return-to-red-bull-and-alphatauri-cars-from-japanese-gp.4YmufSIEOYyjOtGGaVJ6Jq.html

[Spoon]

Everyone's thoughts on teams who breached the cost cap? What's the right penalty for teams who didn't play by the rules? Or just didn't do a good enough job manipulating their numbers LUL

[Great68]

Well, nothing has been proven yet so before I form an opinion on it they have to confirm the offence actually happened. And if it did, to properly form an opinion I want to know the nature of the breach.

I'm going to be far more sympathetic to a breach if it was due to, say they were crashed into by another competitor and now they needed to spend a bunch of money to fix the cars, build new parts etc.

I'd be less sympathetic to say a team blowing over their cap because they simply spent more on development.

Inflation is a big factor here too, where a team that spent a whole bunch of money early in the season when it was lower could be advantaged over a team that spent more a bit later.

So I don't think it's so black and white.

[The Producer]

just watched this live. FP1 coverage had (almost) ended, he was on his out lap after the practice start. binned it. car destroyed.

is this the end for Mick? Guenther and Gene must be losing their collective minds.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/73/590x/mick-schumacher-crash-1679435.jpg?r=1665119918289

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1679435/mick-schumacher-haas-japanese-grand-prix-crash-news-latest

10 minutes before the F1 crew was saying that Nico is making moves to come back next year w Haas. This might have just sealed it.

[sonick]

What a fucking legend, Latifi blaming the car for taking a wrong turn

https://twitter.com/f1trolls_/status/1578388795128512513

The car... real strange.

[TypeRNammer]

What a fucking legend, Latifi blaming the car for taking a wrong turn

https://twitter.com/f1trolls_/status/1578388795128512513

The car... real strange.

Absolute legend, he's going to end the year with a bang

[roastpuff]

De Vries to Alpha Tauri

De Vries to Alpha Tauri

Gasly to Alpine

[SkinnyPupp]

What a fucking legend, Latifi blaming the car for taking a wrong turn

https://twitter.com/f1trolls_/status/1578388795128512513

The car... real strange.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeeQnDeVQAQBLmh.jpg

[StylinRed]

just watched this live. FP1 coverage had (almost) ended, he was on his out lap after the practice start. binned it. car destroyed.

is this the end for Mick? Guenther and Gene must be losing their collective minds.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/73/590x/mick-schumacher-crash-1679435.jpg?r=1665119918289

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1679435/mick-schumacher-haas-japanese-grand-prix-crash-news-latest

10 minutes before the F1 crew was saying that Nico is making moves to come back next year w Haas. This might have just sealed it.

I hope not, I think everyone's rooting for him too, he's just not performing:QQ:

[SkinnyPupp]

Rare chance to watch a race live for me! Crazy start

[TypeRNammer]

Rare chance to watch a race live for me! Crazy start

Crazy start only for the restart to be suspended

[SkinnyPupp]

Crazy start only for the restart to be suspended
Gasly is having quite an eventful race considering there's only been 3 laps LUL

Edit: Oh wow I was just getting caught up when I wrote that; this tractor incident could end up being a huge deal.

[supafamous]

Man, was so excited to watch the race tonight but it's looking pretty unlikely we'll get a race of any type at this race.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/mattywtf1/status/1579004411552026624

[SkinnyPupp]

LeClerc lost it on the last chicane! Finishes 2nd but they have to take that away I assume

Wish we could have seen Alonso fighting Vettel

Kind of a disaster of a race

LeClerc penalized, Verstappen is world champion.. They told him as he was standing around after his interview LUL

[supafamous]

Mess of a race by the FIA but at least we got some racing in. What an awesome track to see F1 cars run on (too bad 130R isn't as scary as it used to be though).

Now 3 races in our time zones on 3 very good tracks (though I never got why they had to reconfigure the esses in Mexico).

[sonick]

Great racing once it restarted.

Good thing i caught it on the replay and skipped all the delays instead of watching live.

[sonick]

Lol time penalty for Leclerc, Verstappen crowned champion during the post race interview wtf? So anticlimactic.

[StylinRed]

I have up on the race restarting, their refusing to race with full wets really makes rain in the forecast such a downer

Still set my pve to record, and glad I did, the restart was so entertaining! Shame we didn't have a PiP for all the battles!

No one was expecting the race to be full points, odd that they decided it would be :/ Perez fought like crazy to keep his WDC hopes alive only to get dunked on with that points scheme

[TypeRNammer]

Tons of good battles, like the post above I wish there was PiP or even a split screen to see Charles vs Checo, Ocon vs Lewis, Fernando vs Sebastian

[snowball]

Two years in a row Max doesn't get a proper celebration. Last year was controversy and this year was confusion. Guess he'll have to win again next year to make up for it lol

[TypeRNammer]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMF2Qj77p/

My tiktok has been pumping out hilarious F1 videos

[westopher]

Two years in a row Max doesn't get a proper celebration. Last year was controversy and this year was confusion. Guess he'll have to win again next year to make up for it lol
His dad will still hate him lol.

[Koflach]

Now there will be another cloud over the 2021 championship with it coming to light that Redbull overspent on the cost cap. If the FIA doesn't throw the book at them, it will be open season for all other manufacturers to risk spending more in hopes of winning the championship and just eating whatever minor penalty that inevitably get's given to Redbull.

[EvoFire]

I'm waiting to see what the reprimand is. Any meaningful amount of driver points is going to take the driver's championship away from Max.

RB didn't even win the team's championship, so that's kind of pointless.

They've probably benefited this year as well from the overspend.

[SkinnyPupp]

*sigh* shit like this is why I stopped watching in the first place

[HonestTea]

They HAVE to give Redbull a substantial penalty or else teams are just going to overspend and take whatever monetary fine to get a championship. I don't buy the catering excuse one bit.

I wouldn't be against taking championships from Redbull.

[StylinRed]

Aren't they only over by a couple million? That's rather nominal considering the cap is like 150million? That's like a rounding error by their accountant :lol

https://youtu.be/4dpFp0B5HeQ

Cool AM suzuka video

[supafamous]

Aren't they only over by a couple million? That's rather nominal considering the cap is like 150million? That's like a rounding error by their accountant :lol

Rumour is a couple millions but a couple million is worth a few tenths on the track and the effects can easily carryover to future development if it's a core part of the car. A few tenths would have meant Hamilton winning his 8th championship (alternatively the FIA could have followed their own rules to achieve this) or those few tenths is how Red Bull is kicking Ferrari's ass this year (Ferrari's doing plenty to kick their own ass though).

[Great68]

Come on guys, I guarantee there is zero chance last year's WDC is taken away from Max over this.

Take could take away their WCC points and prize money (essentially a big fine at this point) but they're not opening up the WDC can of worms and you know it.

[supafamous]

Come on guys, I guarantee there is zero chance last year's WDC is taken away from Max over this.

Take could take away their WCC points and prize money (essentially a big fine at this point) but they're not opening up the WDC can of worms and you know it.

I believe that the rules say they can't take away a WDC which is partly why Hamilton wasn't given the 2021 title even after the FIA said they screwed up in the final race.

I don't think a fine is going to be enough unless Red Bull went over a small amount (less than a million) and it was inadvertent. The rich teams all have more than enough money to pay nearly any kind of fine that the FIA could come up with - Mercedes F1 reported a huge increase in profits last year due to the cap, so much that parent company didn't actually have to put any money into the team.

We're likely talking less wind tunnel time - maybe significantly (20%?) - plus a fine that's at least 10x whatever they went over by. I can't imagine the other teams will be happy with anything less - they've all gone on record with how breaking the cap is as bad as cheating.

[Great68]

I'm not sure there are any rules that state a WDC can't be retroactively removed. There has just never been a precedent of it ever occurring. The closest thing I can think of is when Schumacher was completely disqualified from the championship after deliberately running into Villeneuve, but Villeneuve came out of that incident better than Schumacher and won anyways.

However, the Abu Dhabi incident was a completely different situation. It was the FIA that fucked up their safety car procedure. Verstappen did nothing wrong there. And well, you can't really go back and re-write an ending to the race based on the assumption of how others think it "should have" ended.

[SkinnyPupp]

If the driver benefitted from his team cheating, he should absolutely have his championship revoked, and maybe remove some points from this season as well.

Don't suspend the driver obviously, but the wins will be tainted forever now and it should be made official.

[Great68]

Maybe he should, but he won't.

You guys get way too emotionally invested in this shit.

I take the drama "fluid" nature of the rule interpretation as part of the whole deal to watching F1.

It's also easy because I don't really have a favourite driver or team.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't care which team or driver it was, I don't really have a favourite either. But there's nothing I hate more than cheating in sports. Except getting caught for cheating and having no repercussions.

[Koflach]

At this point the 2021 championship for Max should be treated the same as Barry Bonds home run record in baseball. The record exists but it should have an asterisk next to it.

[StylinRed]

Rumour is a couple millions but a couple million is worth a few tenths on the track and the effects can easily carryover to future development if it's a core part of the car. A few tenths would have meant Hamilton winning his 8th championship (alternatively the FIA could have followed their own rules to achieve this) or those few tenths is how Red Bull is kicking Ferrari's ass this year (Ferrari's doing plenty to kick their own ass though).

A few tenths? That's harsh

The fact the FIA even has two tiers for the infractions Minor (<5%) and Major (>5%) suggests they expected teams to be slightly over and for it to not be considered serious, so it would likely have minimal penalties (else there would be no reason to tier it)

https://youtu.be/j6OfskZ5hEM

imo if the FIA tiers the levels of breach that means the punishments are tiered as well

Actually come to think of it what are the punishments?

Maybe a minor breach means disqualification, and a major breach means banning from the sport

Or maybe a minor breach means a reprimand/££££££ and a major means disqualification

I'd be fine with either result, we'll have to see what the FIA says, the punishments should really be set out already tho so that we could easily lookup what a procedural/minor/major breach calls for, but it seems like the FIA is just making it all up as they go along (as usual)

[SkinnyPupp]

A few tenths? That's harsh


Even if it's "a few hundredths", Verstappen beat LeClerc by 1/100th and Sainz by 5.7/100th in Q3 at Suzuka

[Great68]

I don't care which team or driver it was, I don't really have a favourite either. But there's nothing I hate more than cheating in sports. Except getting caught for cheating and having no repercussions.

See that's what I'm saying. I don't hate the cheating.

To me it's always been a part of motorsports, especially in series with more open development like F1. I find some of the cheats themselves fascinating. The turbo air bypass cheat of the '95 Celica WRC car was amazing engineering. Here's a good video about some of the cheat stories in NASCAR over the years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfq7-1ePW-M

The punishments aren't for me to decide, and I don't get worked up about their leniency or severity. I find the politicking and drama around the whole thing fun to watch.

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cjr8nQ3Ddc4/?igshid=NGI3YWI1Y2U=

A wholesome moment from the Alfa Romeo team:QQ:

[blkgsr]

was there no cheating/manipulating by Mercedes while Hamilton won his championships?

[supafamous]

was there no cheating/manipulating by Mercedes while Hamilton won his championships?

It ain't cheating if you don't get caught. :)

[SkinnyPupp]

See that's what I'm saying. I don't hate the cheating.

To me it's always been a part of motorsports, especially in series with more open development like F1. I find some of the cheats themselves fascinating. The turbo air bypass cheat of the '95 Celica WRC car was amazing engineering. Here's a good video about some of the cheat stories in NASCAR over the years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfq7-1ePW-M

The punishments aren't for me to decide, and I don't get worked up about their leniency or severity. I find the politicking and drama around the whole thing fun to watch.
I think that's a fascinating aspect of racing that has always been there, but if you're going to let teams do that, you might as well just give the championship to whichever team spends the most money.

[StylinRed]

was there no cheating/manipulating by Mercedes while Hamilton won his championships?

There was the off season private tyre testing with pirelli that comes to mind

[Great68]

Well I mean Aston Martin also allegedly broke the cap last year and they finished 7th, so...

[sonick]

Well I mean Aston Martin also allegedly broke the cap last year and they finished 7th, so...

Lol wut no they didn't they just had an issue with submitting their paperwork or something.

[Great68]

Sorry you're right, the earlier article I read about it didn't stipulate the details of Aston's breach. Would have been funny if they actually did overspend though

[Koflach]

was there no cheating/manipulating by Mercedes while Hamilton won his championships?

There was no cost cap for mercedes when Hamilton won his championships with them. If there is no cost cap, they couldn't circumvent them like RB did.

[Great68]

Haha, just came across this guy on Youtube, I haven't laughed so hard in a while:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2GqP4FkKw

[StylinRed]

Oh wow dietrich mateschitz (red bull founder, and RBR boss) died @78

[SkinnyPupp]

Good marketing idea a long time ago, but also a neo nazi fascist apparently, so...

[sonick]

Fucking great race

[Hondaracer]

Very entertaining, looked like Hamilton almost had it but those last 6-7 laps you could see the tires faded enough to let Max get DRS and once that happened it was obviously over

[TypeRNammer]

Fernando's Alpine is absolute witch craft, has a big crash and still finishes in the points.

[Vancouver240sx]

Fernando's Alpine is absolute witch craft, has a big crash and still finishes in the points.

Aaaannd its gone

Rich

[TypeRNammer]

Aaaannd its gone

Rich

Yep saw the news that followed up with it :(

[StylinRed]

Wth the stewards saw alonsos mirror shaking violently and didn't issue a directive for him to pit, why would they penalize afterwards laaaaaame especially when they let perez slide

[Eff-1]

The anthem singer made my 6-month old baby cry. haha I'm serious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsGQv6bvA2M

[68style]

Wow that was awful

[StylinRed]

Not as awful as Tim Cook

https://youtu.be/J-37NckyJhg

[Koflach]

Not as awful as Tim Cook

https://youtu.be/J-37NckyJhg

Tim Apple was just being Tim Apple. He has the personality of a raw potato.

[The Producer]

Fernando's Alpine is absolute witch craft, has a big crash and still finishes in the points.

Jacques eviscerating his fellow canadian.

https://www.formule1.nl/nieuws/stroll-should-be-suspended-what-he-did-was-deliberate-and-could-have-been-life-threatening/

I was yelling at the TV too - not the first time this season Stroll has made shithead moves on the straights to defend. Dude thinks it's Mario Kart rules. Alonso was so close to ending up in the gap in the wall too. The outcome would have been disastrous.

[StylinRed]

On F1s YouTube coverage the guest commentator, I think he's from nascar or Indy was saying in their races they're not allowed to defend reactively so as to avoid dangerous situations, they're only allowed to preemptively defend

https://youtu.be/j142fs6fzMs

@ 15:11 a guy analyses it, says Alonso took off because he was travelling at takeoff speed of a boeing jetliner

then @ 21:45 they commentate on it and all agree it was fkd up by stroll but also note a lot of drivers are doing it because no ones really coming down on them with a hammer

[snowball]

Not as awful as Tim Cook

https://youtu.be/J-37NckyJhg

I saw this on the replay highlights. One of the worst flag wavings I've ever seen lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Just watched the race unspoiled! That was fun! Too bad Alonso got penalized, but I guess you kind of figure it can happen if you keep your car in the race after a crash like that.

I assume Stroll was also penalized and maybe disqualified for the unsafe block? Will he miss any races? Probably should be suspended for at least one.

Vettel's finish was pretty amazing, but for some reason they had the camera on Tim Apple slowly waving the flag instead of him crossing the line? Weird. Also lots of random shots of Brad Pitt's head.

Nice to see Red Bull have some adversity for once, and they were able to overcome it - barely! If they didn't have that awful pit stop, it would have been an easy win for Verstappen, but that made it more entertaining.

It was funny seeing all the penalties constantly popping up throughout the race.. eventually they didn't even bother to show the incidents, there were so many of them

[Koflach]

I still don't understand why Alonso was retroactively penalized but Checo wasn't. They both had parts of their car come loose from an incident that eventually fell off. Why is a mirror worth a penalty but a wing tip is not?

[StylinRed]

I still don't understand why Alonso was retroactively penalized but Checo wasn't. They both had parts of their car come loose from an incident that eventually fell off. Why is a mirror worth a penalty but a wing tip is not?

Supposedly RBR contacted race control about if they should come in and was told its fine, and that was their saving grace

But yeah that was lame

[SkinnyPupp]

Everything goes Red Bull's way

[Koflach]

Everything goes Red Bull's way

Yeah, the last 2 seasons really seem to be about putting RBR ahead of the other teams for some reason. I'd much rather see 3 teams at the top fighting for the driver/team championship instead of one team running away with it. It's just so boring watching RB coast to victory.

[SkinnyPupp]

Maybe things will change with the Neo Nazi gone? Who knows what kind of mojo that guy has

[StylinRed]

Yeah, the last 2 seasons really seem to be about putting RBR ahead of the other teams for some reason. I'd much rather see 3 teams at the top fighting for the driver/team championship instead of one team running away with it. It's just so boring watching RB coast to victory.

There always seems to be one team favourite for the FIA

Or maybe as fans we just notice it more often when the winning team gets leeway (ferrari, red bull, brawn, Mercedes, red bull)

[SkinnyPupp]

There always seems to be one team favourite for the FIA

Or maybe as fans we just notice it more often when the winning team gets leeway (ferrari, red bull, brawn, Mercedes, red bull)
Yeah first it was Ferrari during the Schumacher years (Ecclestone has said as much), then Mercedes, now it's Red Bull LUL

But I am talking more about luck and circumstances rather than a conspiracy.. Just that most breaks go their way. When something bad happens, like the pit stop, it's their own fault. But things that aren't their fault, the breaks seem to only go their way.

[Hondaracer]

We’ll look how far behind merc was with their car design this year. They obviously came into it thinking they could compete given the results of last year and they weren’t even close

[Great68]

Judgement on Red Bull cost cap breach:

Amount of breach was ~£1.8Mil (1.6%). Apparently £1.4Mil of that was a mis-application of a tax credit, so had that been properly applied the total amount over the cap would have been ~£400k (0.37%).

Penalty:
- $7million fine
- 10% reduction in allocated wind tunnel testing and CFD limits
- Co-efficient used to calculate allocations drops from 70% to 63%
- Red Bull pays all the costs incurred as a result of this investigation and ruling

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bull-enter-agreement-with-fia-over-breach-of-2021-financial-regulations.2ccVAHxnUpChqHSIDGMXmg.html


As I said earlier in this thread, I would reserve my judgement until I saw the details. Now knowing the details, this is hardly outrage worthy to me and the penalties seem reasonable but those who feel it should be harsher, you do you.

[TypeRNammer]

In other news, Fernando's P7 has been reinstated

[roastpuff]

In other news, Fernando's P7 has been reinstated

Now this one is more whack!

Haas protests late - stewards accept even though it was outside the time limit after the race (1hr instead of 30 min)
Alpine protests - disallowed
Alpine protests the disallowed protest - allowed to proceed
Fernando gets his P7 back. WTF?

[The Producer]

Now this one is more whack!

Haas protests late - stewards accept even though it was outside the time limit after the race (1hr instead of 30 min)
Alpine protests - disallowed
Alpine protests the disallowed protest - allowed to proceed
Fernando gets his P7 back. WTF?

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-L1Fsh1dI93gAlB6L-6nWP1g-t500x500.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

FIA is a clown fiesta

[StylinRed]

Anyone know where I can stream the race later today?

I'm on a plane, and even with the ultimate WiFi package, I can't connect to the TSN app (even tried GPS spoofing) but I'll still be on this flight during the race :okay:

[The Producer]

Anyone know where I can stream the race later today?

I'm on a plane, and even with the ultimate WiFi package, I can't connect to the TSN app (even tried GPS spoofing) but I'll still be on this flight during the race :okay:

weakstreams will get you started

allow myself to quote...myself

[sonick]

Danny Ric flashes of his old self when he got on the softs. And #dotd. Great to see from a boring race.

[StylinRed]

allow myself to quote...myself

Ooo thx for next time!

TSN app ended up working by race time, the plane cut the wifi on the last lap tho :lol

[pastarocket]

I think that the punishment against Red Bull is fair.


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[EvoFire]

Judging from the actual overage, I'm ok with the RB punishment as well.

[Eff-1]

This was the first race I watched the 30-min condensed version and tbh I really enjoyed it. I may never watch a full race again until next season.

I'm a big fan, been watching since I was 12 years old. I can't help but think these seasons are getting a bit too long now.

While this year's car allows for closer racing, I think F1 still has a lot of work to do to bring more parity across the teams to make it more exciting, especially if you're going to keep adding races to the calendar and extending the season. We can only rely on Netflix's fabricated drama so much before the racing needs to speak for itself to keep the new fans interested.

[The Producer]

my wife just said yesterday "can you believe there's only 2 races left?"

my reaction:

https://i.imgur.com/g8iwV7v.jpg

I'm tired of the season. TBH it's been kind of boring. I miss the last gen cars.

Don't get me wrong - I'll be stoked for Bahrain in the spring, but I'm pretty done w 2022

[nismodrifter]

boring. hamilton 2023

[Eff-1]

I think I prefer the close racing the current gen cars bring over the last gen. We still however need more parity between the teams because right now RB and Max are running away with it, the same way Lewis and Mercedes did for so many years until last season.

Hopefully next year Mercedes brings a better car and puts more of a fight to Red Bull. I could still use about 5 less races though.

[HonestTea]

POLE POSITION KMAG!

[StylinRed]

Didn't know there was a sprint race this weekend so I was preparing to watch quali tomorrow morning, then I get kmag on pole notifications! lol wtf

[SkinnyPupp]

I've never seen anyone so happy

So is he P1 for both the sprint and the race?

Which btw is weird to do

[Koflach]

I've never seen anyone so happy

So is he P1 for both the sprint and the race?

Which btw is weird to do

sprint only. sprint determines the race order

[StylinRed]

Poor perez, asked for verstappen to switch position so he could get an extra point, and RB were just like :pokerface:

[Hondaracer]

Imo I prefer this racing to last seasons as well, while Verstappen kinda ran away with it I think the racing as a whole has been more exciting

You gotta give it to Mercedes, they basically pulled their car out of the gutter and refined it back in a way to he seemingly more competitive than Ferrari down the stretch. What makes it even more impressive is that the car basically looks very much the same as it did when they started, and it’s still one of the more unique looking designs of the pack

[The Producer]

I've never seen anyone so happy

So is he P1 for both the sprint and the race?

Which btw is weird to do

you know what's really weird?

kmag isn't just the pole winner for the sprint, he's the pole winner (and the point getter for it) for the entire weekend

George will start on pole tomorrow, but doesn't get the point for it.

I like the sprint - it's a cool change of pace, but the point system doesn't make any sense.

EDIT: forgot to shit on Lance Stroll again. what an absolute POS and embarrassment to the sport. quit running people off the track asshole. Somebody is going to get killed by this absolute fool.

[roastpuff]

Poor perez, asked for verstappen to switch position so he could get an extra point, and RB were just like :pokerface:

He wasn't close enough even to Verstappen with a broken car, and Leclerc was just out of DRS range behind Perez. If Max had slowed down it would have been a double overtake IMO.

[StylinRed]

Yeah ur right totally didn't notice how close traffic behind was

[Koflach]

Red Bull asked Max to swap spots at the end of the race so he could stay ahead of Leclerc in the drivers standing but Max just ignored them. Max really showed his true colours today. He is all about Max and couldn't care less about the team. Checo is the reason that he won the Drivers Championship last year and he couldn't let him get a couple extra points? Fuck him.

[westopher]

I’m surprised that people are surprised max is behaving like a piece of shit. Any words out of his mouth ever, and knowing who raised him removed any doubt of that long ago.

[The Producer]

Red Bull asked Max to swap spots at the end of the race so he could stay ahead of Leclerc in the drivers standing but Max just ignored them. Max really showed his true colours today. He is all about Max and couldn't care less about the team. Checo is the reason that he won the Drivers Championship last year and he couldn't let him get a couple extra points? Fuck him.

showed his true colours?

dude - he's been an asshole since day 1. #imthemaincharacter

i told my wife if he gets team orders he's not going to do it :pokerface:

he didn't disappoint. great material for f1troll

[MarkyMark]

It's weird how Max said he told the team his reasons for it but won't share it with the rest of us

[Great68]

Rumour is that it was about what happened in Monaco, that he crashed on purpose.

Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since he was in 3rd when he crashed. I don't get what would be Perez's motivation for doing so, especially how many other times he's moved out of Max's way.

Maybe it was less nefarious, like wasn't supposed to be in front of Max during that Monaco quali session (Maybe the team released him, or he left when he shouldn't have or somethinjg)

Either way, there's really no excuse to carry the grudge all the way to now, and try to get retribution in a way that could cost not just the teammate 2nd in the championship, but the team itself. Yes, I'm sure red bull still very much want the bragging rights of a 1-2 Driver's championship standing.

There's being a ruthless competitor, but then there's just being a selfish, petty child.

[HKS PWR]

That's a special kind of selfishness from Verstappen. If it wasn't for Perez last season, he wouldn't have won the championship.
Instead of praising Perez every time he benefits from his help, return the favour and help out the guy that helped you get the championship and the wins.
Never liked Max Verstappen, never will.

[sonick]

Great race, happy Mercedes got their win and no major drama between Hamilton and Russell that may have put the 1-2 at risk.

Russell earned it after the multiple restarts and the pace fending off Hamilton.

A lot of entertaining inter-team drama otherwise with Alpine, Ferrari, and of course Red Bull

[StylinRed]

Only got thru the first 20ish laps n fell asleep but it was exciting, got up only to see clips of Max refusing to let Perez thru, what a cunt! After perez let him thru this season and max wouldn't have won last season without perez!

[HonestTea]

I love how all the Max fans are coming out and trying to defend his actions. With both championships wrapped up, the least you could do is be a team player and help the guy that helped you get your first WDC.

[StylinRed]

Are there max fans supporting it? I've just been reading max fans being disappointed at him. Max isn't too bright, I don't think he thought about the wider repercussions maybe he doesn't care, but what a dumb move of souring your public perception

Drive 2 survive producers must be creaming their pants tho :lol

[westopher]

Lots of max fans like max because he’s a prick. People with shitty attitudes tend to idolize those that are similar to them.

[HonestTea]

Are there max fans supporting it? I've just been reading max fans being disappointed at him. Max isn't too bright, I don't think he thought about the wider repercussions maybe he doesn't care, but what a dumb move of souring your public perception

Drive 2 survive producers must be creaming their pants tho :lol

They keep saying Max wants the record for 'most points in a season' to justify not helping his teammate get P2 in the championship - which makes NO sense considering that record is useless since races are always being added.

[Spoon]

The elephant in the room is that Ricciardo is a free agent.

Perez is unfortunately dispensable. If he's not willing to play second fiddle, he'll get kicked to the curb and lose the seat to a race winning car. It's a shitty situation, but that's F1. :(

[supafamous]

re: Verstappen-Hamilton

I don't get the folks who say that Hamilton is the one who is obliged to back out and let Max through (yesterday or any race). Max's approach with Hamilton has always been to try to bully Hamilton and now Lewis is saying "no more" which is exactly what he should do. Max doesn't do it to any other driver b/c Max already knows he's better than them but with Lewis he's always trying to show Lewis up.

Bro, that's a 7x WDC (should be 8x) you're trying to bully. He's not backing down no more cause he's still King.

[westopher]

The elephant in the room is that Ricciardo is a free agent.

Perez is unfortunately dispensable. If he's not willing to play second fiddle, he'll get kicked to the curb and lose the seat to a race winning car. It's a shitty situation, but that's F1. :(
Two things about that.
Danny Ric doesn’t have the skill to drive like Checo does. Maybe 5 years ago.
Red bull and Max wouldn’t have the success without him. If what max did just affected Checo, of course Horner has every reason to keep blowing Max as long as he’s winning. But in this case we are talking about someone purposely keeping their team from finishing 1-2 in the standings because of a grudge that’s legitimately rooted in bullshit. That’s absolute clown shit and spitting in the face of the entire team that got you there. No driver in f1, no matter how good, is getting to the top without the best car to take them there.

[The Producer]

i like Checo - but I'm rooting so hard for Charles to beat him next week. Tied for second place - any points position finish ahead of Checo and RB loses the 1-2 driver points standings over...nothing but a petulant baby. It will be such a sweet asterisk on an otherwise clean sweep season.

I don't know what the real world money ramifications are of that - but I hope it's a lot.

PS I'm not sure why anybody thinks Danny Ricc would go back to playing second fiddle to Max at RB. That's precisely why he left in the first place. I think he'll hang back next year, and wait for another team implosion in 2023. I mean - he's literally getting paid not to drive. What a perfect year to crank up his multimedia profile.

[EvoFire]

re: Verstappen-Hamilton

I don't get the folks who say that Hamilton is the one who is obliged to back out and let Max through (yesterday or any race). Max's approach with Hamilton has always been to try to bully Hamilton and now Lewis is saying "no more" which is exactly what he should do. Max doesn't do it to any other driver b/c Max already knows he's better than them but with Lewis he's always trying to show Lewis up.

Bro, that's a 7x WDC (should be 8x) you're trying to bully. He's not backing down no more cause he's still King.

I'm a Hamilton fan, but Max's end race comments about "Oh he looks like he's not going to give space, so we are going to crash" sounds extremely bad. He's purposefully causing an accident and that's an absolute trash attitude. It seems like the stewards feel the same way as they gave Max a 5s penalty.

This Brazil GP is exactly what's wrong with Max all boiled down to a single race.

[mb_]

I thought Max finally matured... Guess not

[SkinnyPupp]

I just started watching F1 again at the end of last season and I could immediately tell what a scumbag Max was. I'm sure I've posted about it here. Not surprised at all.

I feel bad for Magnusson.. Gets pole, but it's the jabroni version for the sprint race, and then gets crashed into immediately in the actual race

[anti-vip]

The elephant in the room is that Ricciardo is a free agent.

Perez is unfortunately dispensable. If he's not willing to play second fiddle, he'll get kicked to the curb and lose the seat to a race winning car. It's a shitty situation, but that's F1. :(

Dont think he's dispensable. He's a master tire whisperer backed by, at one point, richest man in the world. he brings in money

[Great68]

What's kind of funny is that it wasn't too long ago that Hamilton earned the moniker of "scumbag" for situations like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MshdLhvTmoQ

Now obviously he's matured a lot since then, and 6 WC title since will fade people's memories of any negatives. I bet the whole Rosberg v Hamilton rivalry would have been a lot uglier and more like Verstappen v Hamilton had they been on different teams.
Fun fact, Lewis was 26 in 2011, Max is 25 now.

[Eff-1]

I know i sound like a bandwagon jumper here, but truthfully I never liked max either. He's just not very personable. Never has been. For similar reasons I couldn't stand Nico Rosberg (and still can't stand him).

But last season I was very much a Max supporter, only for the reason that I wanted to see someone finally dethrone Mercedes and Lews.

So after last season, I started to come around and think maybe Max isn't such a bad guy.

But after this past weekend, I'm like yup, he's still a fuckface.

[Great68]

I think the thing, and what I'm trying to say is that up until this point people were judging Max based on his aggressiveness/ruthlessness, unwillingness to give an inch on track against his opponents. Which to me was no different than the likes of Senna, Schumacher in their days and even Lewis back in his earlier days.

But this one event to bring up some sort of a grudge 5 months later and make your entire team look like a bunch of fools when it was completely meaningless to your own standing is a completely different thing.

Watching Perez's post race interview where the interviewer asked him if it was something related to Monaco, Perez kind of goes to a blank look, almost like disbelief in his face, like he's thinking "Really? He's still holding a grudge about that?"

I always root for the underdog so I don't have a bandwagon. Last year it was Max simply to dethrone Lewis. This year would have liked to have seen Leclerc put up more of a fight. Next year if Mercedes is competitive from the get go, I'll be rooting for them, hopefully Russell, but I wouldn't be unhappy with another Lewis WC.

[The Producer]

PS I'm not sure why anybody thinks Danny Ricc would go back to playing second fiddle to Max at RB. That's precisely why he left in the first place. I think he'll hang back next year, and wait for another team implosion in 2023. I mean - he's literally getting paid not to drive. What a perfect year to crank up his multimedia profile.

self quote. apparently DR won't play second fiddle - he'll play 3rd

officially RB reserve driver next year. I guess he just couldn't stay away.

yuck

[Vancouver240sx]

To me DR to RB makes a BUNCH of sense. RB is looking into their future and honestly they don't have much. Throwing a rookie against Max is going to destroy them (look at Gas/Alb).

Yuki has underperformed against a very strong Gasley who they just lost(in a shit car this year). I'd personally chose Danny over Alex if you're looking at a possible replacement for Perez which looks to be coming.

I realize Danny has had a difficult time at McLaren but I don't think he's lost it.

Rich

[EvoFire]

I think RB expects Checo to be gone, and Yuki isn't up to the task of moving to RB. Albon isn't coming back I don't think. All things point to RB culture to be quite toxic.

[westopher]

There’s nothing in the world Of motorsports I’d like to see more than DR come to red bull and slaughter Max, but that’s a fantasy world.

[lowside67]

There’s nothing in the world Of motorsports I’d like to see more than DR come to red bull and slaughter Max, but that’s a fantasy world.
Based on DR's performance in the last year or two, I'd say Latifi has a better chance of slaughtering Max than DR does.

-Mark

[westopher]

Goatifi.

[Teriyaki]

Based on DR's performance in the last year or two, I'd say Latifi has a better chance of slaughtering Max than DR does.

-Mark

Max would probably develop a tumor needing to accuse Latifi of purposely crashing at every race and qualifying.

[Great68]

Well that was an underwhelming finale.

[StylinRed]

Was able to watch it live here in Oz, damn Aston Martin fkd Vettels race, but luckily he still managed getting into the points... Man Alonsos going to have a hell of a time at AM

Was cool seeing Webber come up n shake Vettels hand on the grid pre-race

The F1 intro adding Vettel to the end, all the little nods to Vettel was cool to see

Shame about Perez, but glad Leclerc got it too, I think he'd go nuts if he didn't even manage that

Next years grid looks a bit like a Free Practice 1 where the teams let a buncha newbs test

[Badhobz]

I dont usually watch F1 or any sports for that matter, but i just found out there's a chinese dude in F1. Zhou Guanyu

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YMdn9Xl2/s800/guanyu-zhou-alfa-romeo-1.jpg
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2020/Misc/guanyu_zhou_in_china_.jpg
https://media.tenor.com/3NrR7W12YL8AAAAd/zhou-guanyu-zhou.gif
typical chinese driver, buddy cant stay in his lane :lawl::lawl::lawl:

[bcrdukes]

lol brutal

Alfa Romeo...where do we even start with them...

[68style]

lol brutal

Alfa Romeo...where do we even start with them...

You don't, because the car won't start and it's still in the paddock come race time tracing random electrical faults.

[roastpuff]

I dont usually watch F1 or any sports for that matter, but i just found out there's a chinese dude in F1. Zhou Guanyu

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YMdn9Xl2/s800/guanyu-zhou-alfa-romeo-1.jpg
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2020/Misc/guanyu_zhou_in_china_.jpg
https://media.tenor.com/3NrR7W12YL8AAAAd/zhou-guanyu-zhou.gif
typical chinese driver, buddy cant stay in his lane :lawl::lawl::lawl:

For a rookie, Zhou has done alright actually. And he seems like a nice enough guy.

That crash wasn't his fault.

[Badhobz]

^yeah i know, he got clipped from behind. Im glad the boy-o survived though. Time for Asians to represent more in this sport.

If he cant race anymore, maybe he can come to Richmond and give out driving lessons for c-lai's. Im sure some hamsup (horny) c-lai's wouldnt mind

[bcrdukes]

Unrelated to F1, but speaking of Asians in the sport...
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2022/motorsports/porsche-motorsport-pacific-asia-driver-yifei-ye-963-lmdh-fia-wec-30388.html

[The Producer]

^yeah i know, he got clipped from behind. Im glad the boy-o survived though. Time for Asians to represent more in this sport.

If he cant race anymore, maybe he can come to Richmond and give out driving lessons for c-lai's. Im sure some hamsup (horny) c-lai's wouldnt mind

he's a paid driver.

that's fine - there are plenty of others on the grid because of the sponsors that they bring, and the exposure that they create but he's there on money first, skill second.

he's been pretty good - i don't think he's held teams up or been a rolling hazard like Latifi. Also - he's got a great teammate in Bottas to show him the ways.

Lots of rookies next year - he needs to be at least as good as them.

[mb_]

I had my reservations about Zhou when he first joined but he's far exceeded my expectations, as a rookie. He seems like a likable guy as well to boot.

[tofu1413]

Zhou seems to be one of the better paid drivers that gotten into the sport.

[Eff-1]

Well that was an underwhelming finale.

Last 10 laps weren't bad, watching to see if Checo could catch Leclerc, and if Leclerc's tires would hang on.

Otherwise yeah I agree.

[Eff-1]

I was listening to all the in-car radio after the race of the drivers who don't have seats for next year.

Seb and Daniel were wholesome and emotional, lots of love and appreciation shared. Each team (coincidentally perhaps) revealed a colour image of the driver on the steering wheel for him to see (in place of the usual metrics) during the cooldown lap which was a nice gesture.

Latifi's car broke down so he pulled into the pits to retire and the radio was silent/dead. Shouldn't laugh but lol.

(Kind of a bummer to see a Canadian to drop out of the s[ort and not be any good. Maybe we'll see another Canadian in 20 years again.)

Once Mick started doing donuts the team radioed and asked him to stop because "we just can't, sorry". LOL.

[The Producer]

(Kind of a bummer to see a Canadian to drop out of the s[ort and not be any good. Maybe we'll see another Canadian in 20 years again.)



unfortunately we still have Lance :okay:

[StylinRed]

Lance hasn't been as bad as Latifi or Mick I guess so he has that goin for him :lol and at least we still have a Canadian repping in F1

[320icar]

Well that was an underwhelming finale.

It all depends on your perspective. I bet my friend some money that Latifi would come 19th lol. (And if he was any other position my friend would win)

It was a crazy roller coaster race and it was a blast to watch, from alonzo retiring, to the goatifi spin, to hamilton retirement and then Latifi NOT FUCKING FINISHING THE RACE HAHAHAHAHAHA

I’m $5 richer bitches

[SkinnyPupp]

Chinese GP canceled again next year

[StylinRed]

Wow was hoping/expecting China to fully reopen by CNY, but now it looks like they're staying isolated for forever

[Badhobz]

luckily I can still extort money from relatives via wechat.

RED POCKET PLZZZZZZ

[68style]

You're married you don't get shit no mo!

[Badhobz]

Who told you da secret !!!!?????

This is ancient Chinese knowledge

[SkinnyPupp]

Wow was hoping/expecting China to fully reopen by CNY, but now it looks like they're staying isolated for forever
They even have similar restrictions within specific citis, so visiting Shanghai from another part of China is like visiting another country

[Eff-1]

It's official. Danny has joined RB as their 3rd driver to handle testing, simulations and promotional events. I can't help but think this put stress on Checo and he'll have to up his game a bit more next season.

[Great68]

This definately puts Checo in a more difficult spot. You better believe they're going to be comparing laptimes. Plus, Daniel has a much better relationship with Max than I feel Max has with Checo.

[StylinRed]

The only stress it'll put on Checo is during contract negotiations, unless Danny can find "it" back

[SkunkWorks]

Seems to me more like ensuring they put pressure on checo to always follow team orders.

"you can be replaced"

[Great68]

I'm of the belief that Daniel never lost "it", just that the McLaren car never really suited him. I think in equal machinery he would be faster than Checo.

[The Producer]

contracts tho. These guys aren't free agents.

Checo makes 18 mil + a season. And he's signed for 2023 and 2024. Would he walk away from that to join another team? All this guy has done is helped this team.

I'm not sure acquiring the rights to DR (who's actually being paid be Mclaren) has anything to do w Checo.

They get the publicity and positivity they badly need, and hopefully change the off season narrative.

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-martin-armchair-rear-wing-banned-2023/

Aston Martin rear wing banned for 2023 season

[tofu1413]

I'm of the belief that Daniel never lost "it", just that the McLaren car never really suited him. I think in equal machinery he would be faster than Checo.

yep, he's quicker raw speed wise, but I always get the impression that Checo is a more consistent performer than DR

[FN-2199]

I'm of the belief that Daniel never lost "it", just that the McLaren car never really suited him. I think in equal machinery he would be faster than Checo.


https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aZDmXw9_460swp.webp

[HonestTea]

Rumor has it Binotto is out.

[tofu1413]

Rumor has it Binotto is out.

Rumors really cooking too, because they want the guy running the Alfa team to take over !

[Koflach]

Rumor has it Binotto is out.

Binotto made his bed after Austria as there were numerous strategic errors throughout the season. After writing off 2 years of results so they could push all their chips in on this year, anything else than being in the running for constructors championships would be a failure.

[The Producer]

and Charles literally will not speak to him. All communication is through intermediaries.

They aren't even denying the story. juicy DTS material

[pastarocket]

Hamilton doing donuts in a rented R34 after he raced in the Japan Grand Prix earlier this season.

LUL


https://twitter.com/sirlewisupdates/status/1595522317110902784?s=46&t=d5mvANyO2bE7TKIobX1Syg


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[HKS PWR]

Hamilton doing donuts in a rented R34 after he raced in the Japan Grand Prix earlier this season.

LUL


https://twitter.com/sirlewisupdates/status/1595522317110902784?s=46&t=d5mvANyO2bE7TKIobX1Syg


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The rental company that owns the R34 is not happy

https://carbuzz.com/news/lewis-hamilton-reprimanded-for-ripping-donuts-in-an-r34-nissan-skyline-gt-r

[The Producer]

i'm sure LH will make them whole - if he hasn't already

great PR for the rental company

[westopher]

The rental company that owns the R34 is not happy

https://carbuzz.com/news/lewis-hamilton-reprimanded-for-ripping-donuts-in-an-r34-nissan-skyline-gt-r
Honestly what the fuck do you think is going to happen renting out r34 GTRs?

[Great68]

I have to imagine that they're not as pissed off as they sound, but they have to put up that strong response or every Tom, Dick and Harry is going to think they're Lewis Hamilton the next time they rent a car.

[dark0821]

^

Yea, not saying it's right. But LH probably gave them more profit than damages by posting that clip.

Plus... you are a rental company... that rents out R34 GT-Rs, I mean...

As Jeremy Clarkson puts it "The fastest car in the world is a rental car."

////////////////////////////

Rental company probably do need to respond even just from a liability/insurance point of view, since the rental contract was under a different person, it wasn't Lewis who signed the dotted line.

Otherwise, woot, great publicity, from 7 (8) time F1 champion no less.

[The Producer]

Valtteri is amazing

https://streamable.com/lcuuf5

[The Producer]

can you guess who drew Max in this year's F1 grid secret santa? :fullofwin:

https://cdn.gpblog.com/news/2022/12/19/v2_large_b9d85a678d0eaea40c86cd133f2e5d934feb5146. png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7eFj_fZpho

edit: F1 are diks - just click to watch the link on youtube. it's pretty good.