[murd0c]

On to the next season and WOW it starts quick, NHL awards on Thursday, Draft on Friday and Free agency next Monday. I heard on (Canucks Twitter) they might have a couple deals done which they were waiting for the Playoffs to be over before announcing it.

All I know is this season is going to be exciting, I wonder what they are going cook over summer.

GO CANUCKS GO!!

[sonick]

First

[Hondaracer]

Non-factor McDavid wins me my hockey pool hehe

[whitev70r]

Fast fingers

[HonestTea]

FIRST






PAGE

[Gumby]

First!

But the subject line is wrong… :lol

[Vansterdam]

first page woo

[Eatman]

Thread title says 23/24

[whitev70r]

^ this thread is voided

[HonestTea]

VOIDED! Someone quick recreate the correct one

[murd0c]

First!

But the subject line is wrong… :lol

Thread title says 23/24

I don't know what you guys are talking about :whistle::whistle:

[AzNightmare]

FIRST PAGE!

[SkinnyPupp]

Page 1 crew checking in

Looking forward to cheering for the Canucks again

[Oleophobic]

Canucks will be the stanley cup champions in 2025. Mark my words

[mb_]

First page!!!

[spoon.ek9]

Page 1 baby! woot woot

[bobbinka]

.

[68style]

Guentzel come to us you beautiful man

[pastarocket]

First page!!!

Go Canucks go!!!

Come on Allvin! Sign Zadorov!


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[EvoFire]

First page!

[roastpuff]

Page 1 crew checking in!

[whitev70r]

are we still on page 1?! How do you get into page 2?

[Mr.Money]

Canucks will be the stanley cup champions in 2025. Mark my words

***long as they stay healthy. that Brock Boeser blood clot missing the play-offs and Elias Pettersson not playing full capacity with a knee injury.



word has it Arturs Silovs is a free agent & might get scooped up for another team.

[mb_]

Silovs is an RFA so he'd have to get offer sheeted for another team to scoop him up via free agency. Unless they don't qualify him or trade his rights but I can't see that happening.

[Tim Budong]

We here!

[whitev70r]

how many posts fits on one page before flipping to page 2? Answer is 25.

First post on page 2 !!!!

[spoon.ek9]

I'm actually excited to see what management can cook up this off season. The team will definitely look very different next year. So we have to see who the team will be built around and who they find to fill in the gaps. Last year was fantastic but I'm sure we're all hoping next year is even better. Our window of contention is right effing now and luckily I have great confidence in management (for once). LFG!

[pastarocket]

Your thoughts about the team punishing season ticketholders for re-selling their tickets through methods not related to Ticketmaster?

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/06/25/vancouver-canucks-season-tickets-crackdown-resell-profit/

One fan, who doesn’t want his name published, tells CityNews he shares eight seats in the upper bowl with friends. He’s been a season ticket holder for more than 25 years and his account was recently flagged.


“I received a letter saying … my account will not be renewed next year,” he explained. “The letter said you either 100 per cent transferred all your tickets or you sold them to a broker.”




He claims that’s not the case. He maintains he’s used the tickets for up to 10 to 20 games a season, or has shared them with friends, family, co-workers, and members of his local recreation hockey team.

The Canucks season ticket holder website states fans can resell their tickets through “the official Ticketmaster website.” He says he has done that a handful of times but was still flagged.

[CRS]

Your thoughts about the team punishing season ticketholders for re-selling their tickets through methods not related to Ticketmaster?

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/06/25/vancouver-canucks-season-tickets-crackdown-resell-profit/

One fan, who doesn’t want his name published, tells CityNews he shares eight seats in the upper bowl with friends. He’s been a season ticket holder for more than 25 years and his account was recently flagged.


“I received a letter saying … my account will not be renewed next year,” he explained. “The letter said you either 100 per cent transferred all your tickets or you sold them to a broker.”




He claims that’s not the case. He maintains he’s used the tickets for up to 10 to 20 games a season, or has shared them with friends, family, co-workers, and members of his local recreation hockey team.

The Canucks season ticket holder website states fans can resell their tickets through “the official Ticketmaster website.” He says he has done that a handful of times but was still flagged.

Classic Aquaman. These season ticket holders were there when the canucks sucked and now when they are showing some prominance again, he tries to squeeze every penny out of them.

Ticketmaster can also go fuck off with their monopoly and insane fees.

[murd0c]

It's a greedy move with the Canucks trying to make more money. I really enjoyed buying cheap last minute tickets rather then paying full price. I know its a business and all but I guess its how the rich get richer.

[teggy604]

You can bet he will squeeze every penny from the fans. All this talk about community is just BS marketing lol.

[N.V.M.]

I wonder how Vancouver will fuck up or get fucked this year.

[CRS]

https://x.com/fr_aquilini/status/1786586163962331389

This is the same shit we deal with. I get it was funny at the time but dude thinks about himself first. He looks to take from others before offering anything from himself.

[AzNightmare]

in for second page!

[Eatman]

***long as they stay healthy. that Brock Boeser blood clot missing the play-offs and Elias Pettersson not playing full capacity with a knee injury.



word has it Arturs Silovs is a free agent & might get scooped up for another team.

I doubt it, goalie market is pretty weak right now as per sports radio and sportsnet. IIRC there were only 2 teams left that might be in the market.

[SkinnyPupp]

Page 2 plebs :fuckthatshit:

[whitev70r]

Not sure why the other thread was locked so fast, still residual comments from the SCF ...

someone asked if Luongo feels it is the same getting Cup as Special Advisor or as a player ... here it is in his own words

https://youtu.be/gnhGoHMtiCI?si=IrFKDkyUf7L9lRpn&t=605

[68style]

Ahahaha I knew it, his ego is so huge these days.

How would he know it feels the same anyway he never won one as a player.

[AzNightmare]

Not sure why the other thread was locked so fast, still residual comments from the SCF ...

someone asked if Luongo feels it is the same getting Cup as Special Advisor or as a player ... here it is in his own words

https://youtu.be/gnhGoHMtiCI?si=IrFKDkyUf7L9lRpn&t=605


I obviously can't speak for him, but it would be a bit awkward though if he said, "Nah, winning it as a player is so much better." But it's not like he has that to compare with anyway.

Ask him did it feel better winning the gold medal as the starter or backup to Price? :badpokerface:

https://i.imgur.com/QLs5Q02.png

[whitev70r]

https://www.tsn.ca/content/dam/tsn/en/home/images/2024/6/25/hockey-hall-of-fame-class-of-2024-1-2140086-1719344098404.jpeg

Weber, Magic Man #13, Roenick among the 2024 Inductees HOF

[spoon.ek9]

they continue to snub Mogilny

[murd0c]

I don't have a clue how Mogilny can be snubbed so bad, he was one of the first to defect from Russia, that alone should be enough to let him in.

[68style]

Nevermind all the difficulties he faced defecting and adjusting to a totally new way of life, his career stats are almost identical to Alfredsson and Kariya... both of them are already in. Just crazy that he hasn't even been on a ballot yet.

[winson604]

Too bad it isn't transparent because I'd love to be a fly on the wall. Aside from the things already mentioned he has a higher points per game than a lot of the others who have gone in and you can't even make the cup argument because he has won 1 where as some with less numbers haven't. Truly mind boggling but I'm still holding out hope he will get in one day.

[Hondaracer]

They must be actively holding him out

I can’t remember the specifics but there is definitely some bad blood when it comes to both the NHL and NHLPA and mogilny. I’ve heard a few different conversations on the radio relating to this and I feel like one of them might have said they don’t expect him ever to be inducted

[bobbinka]

Teddy Blueger on a two-year contract with a $1.8 AAV

100k discount from last year, lol

[roastpuff]

That's great news. Latvian buddies with Silovs and he even took a pay cut, wow.

[pastarocket]

-news from Elliotte Friedman about a potential trade of Mikheyev to Chicago:

Hearing Chicago and Vancouver working on a deal that will create cap room for the Canucks — potentially involving Ilya Mikheyev and rights to Sam Lafferty, with a second-round pick as a sweetener.

Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli further reported that the Blackhawks would send the Canucks a fourth-round pick in 2027, provided the trade takes place.


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[HonestTea]

Making cap for Guentzel, its happening! lol

[AzNightmare]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2024/06/26/blackhawks-canucks-trade-ilya-mikheyev-sam-lafferty-nhl-draft

done deal?

[Tim Budong]

https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/1806145858498650517

yassssssss

[6thGear.]

Lol

[whitev70r]

Damn, with all the shit that that cup has been through ... you'd eat from it ... :lol.

[Mikoyan]

there's a metal prep bowl the pasta's actually in.

[AzNightmare]

15% salary retained??

:heckno:

https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1806158621048484074

[whitev70r]

there's a metal prep bowl the pasta's actually in.

ah ... good eye. Don't have to pump his stomach then.

[pastarocket]

Allvin is making salary cap room to sign Zadorov and a forward.

Come to Vancouver, Guentzel!


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[Mikoyan]

ah ... good eye. Don't have to pump his stomach then.

Yeah, we know Lou's digestive system is a little touchy lol.

[bobbinka]

Lafferty was going to be a UFA in a few days anyway, so to have him included, while getting a 4th rounder back for a 2nd rounder, and only retaining 700k for 2 yrs.... i'd say that's pretty good. Mik's cap was holding everything up

[teggy604]

https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/1806145858498650517

yassssssss


If only the Stanley Cup can talk. It probably have some crazy ass stories with what players do with it. lol.

[spoon.ek9]

15% retained is $712,500. That's less than league minimum for a player. Pretty palatable if you ask me. Also, the 2nd rounder is in 2027 so that defers our problem until later. Obviously we super short on 2nd rounders in our organization but we're in that win-now mode. We need guys who can immediately make the team better for next year.

[winson604]

If only the Stanley Cup can talk. It probably have some crazy ass stories with what players do with it. lol.

It'd be interesting to see pics of the before the cup was presented and after they get the cup back and how fucked up it got.

[CRS]

15% salary retained??

:heckno:

https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1806158621048484074

You're retaining basically league minimum for 2 years.

It's not bad at all.

[68style]

Watch Mikheyev turn into an absolute unit next year in Chicago hahahaha that would be such a Canucks thing to happen

I mean, it seems totally impossible based on his eye test in my books, but fuck if I'm not afraid of that somehow

[spoon.ek9]

It's ok really, I wish him the best. If he has a bounce back season, good for him. It really wasn't working for him here anymore. Lost his speed and hands of stone. He needed a change so he was willing to waive. I'd much rather we look for a solid top 6 forward to actually help Petey lol.

[mb_]

Dak extended

https://x.com/Canucks/status/1806377948460830820

[Hondaracer]

Not bad not bad

[pastarocket]

Come on Allvin! Get a deal done for Zadorov. The team needs Big Z back!

[68style]

That's a great price for Joshua, big group of us were talking after hockey last night and saying 3.5 would be reasonable for Dak... I was afraid he might get as high as 4.5 from another team that got too excited about last year.

I hope he can be more consistent, I didn't notice him much outside of the games he got multiple points in for the playoffs.

[Hondaracer]

Pretty sure he could have got 4+ from another team

Fuck like even these last 2 days show how important good management is.. kinda going back to the direction of the Gillis era where management was smart enough to approach players in the vein of, if you want to stay here, this is the type of deal you need to take

[spoon.ek9]

Garland $4.95M
Blueger $1.8
Joshua $3.25

exactly $10M for our productive third line

that's a great deal IMO. Don't forget the PK roles Dak and Blueger play as well.

[bobbinka]

Dak is back!

Big z next! Then Guentz or Toff July 1

[EvoFire]

I have to say though, feels bad for Blueger to be centering two wingers that gets paid way more, I thought centers are supposed to be paid a premium.

[murd0c]

I have to say though, feels bad for Blueger to be centering two wingers that gets paid way more, I thought centers are supposed to be paid a premium.

He's making 1.8 million dollars a year to play the game he loves. There is nothing to feel bad about lol

[Hondaracer]

He also doesn’t have the production his wingers do

Garland is obviously making too much but the guys work ethic almost makes up for it

[bobbinka]

If Z also takes a discount at 4.75mil, replace lafferty with 775k player, replace myers and Cole with 775k players, and desmith or Silovs for 1.25mil, there's 9.3mil for guentzel.

If they want stronger d pairing, either will need to trade another to make space or get a cheaper winger in FA instead of Guentzel.

[bobbinka]

I have to say though, feels bad for Blueger to be centering two wingers that gets paid way more, I thought centers are supposed to be paid a premium.

Gar and Dak drive that line. In the beginning of the season they were centered by Suter before he got injured. They were already playing amazing without Blueger

[68style]

Blueger is only on a 2 year, he's getting a chance to show he belongs in the NHL and if he does he'll get paid. He's been a pretty fringe guy for the most part.

[Eatman]

If Z also takes a discount at 4.75mil, replace lafferty with 775k player, replace myers and Cole with 775k players, and desmith or Silovs for 1.25mil, there's 9.3mil for guentzel.

If they want stronger d pairing, either will need to trade another to make space or get a cheaper winger in FA instead of Guentzel.

IMO, I think we should re-sign Myers at a discounted rate if doable, somewhere in the range of 2.25 range if he wants to stay and agree with Zadorov's number at 4.75 max would be good.

[Hondaracer]

Myers is gonna stay imo there’s no reason not to keep him

[Liquid_o2]

Love the deal for Dak as long as he plays how he did this year. Has to hit 15 to 20 goals and be top 10 in hits. If he regresses into a 10 goal guy or battles injuries, it won't look good.

Pumped that the third line is sticking together.

I bet Myers will get better options in Free Agency, depends how much of a discount he wants to take to stay with the team. I would be happy with a 3 x 3.

We need some of the younger guys from Abbotsford to step up and fill holes. Succesfull teams always have young studs playing on entry level deals. Need guys like Pods, Ratu, Karlsson, McWard to step up so we can get a top winger for Petey.

[teggy604]

He's making 1.8 million dollars a year to play the game he loves. There is nothing to feel bad about lol

haha true. Sometimes we average joes forget that what these entertainers make in a year is what some of us make in a lifetime. As for Blueger as a hockey player he won the dream with Vegas last year. Something money can't buy and not everyone is lucky to achieve. All you have to do is look at the Canuck players hanging up in the rafters.

[mikemhg]

That's a wicked price for Dak, fantastic news.

I didn't want to see him go.

[bobbinka]

If you want to keep both Myers and Z, then youll have to get a cheaper winger in FA in the 5-7mil range

[xxxrsxxx]

Myers just signed 3x3!

[Eatman]

Myers just signed 3x3!

A tad higher than what I wanted, but still a discount anyway since he could have gotten more elsewhere.

Now we don't have enough money for Zad and Guentz, unless PA and JR can pull off some magic

[mb_]

$3M for Myers is good, that's what I would've liked PA/JR to sign him for

[pastarocket]

Allvin is cooking with all the players that he signed so far during the past few weeks. Good job!


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[whitev70r]

Guentzel as hottest free agent ... almost always, they turn out to be a flop as the hype jacks up the price, they get this long ass contract like 7 or 8 yrs. Can you think of a hot free agent in the past few years that has turned out well? I can only think of bad ones like Tavares, Kahdri, Jack Campbell, Johnny Gaudreau

Ken Holland GM of Oilers steps down or mutually agree to part with Oilers.

[bobbinka]

Wow, they signed myers first..... That might mean we can't agree on # with Z.

Or... With the rumors about bringing back desmith, it's possible Demko is not ready to return. In which case, we can still afford everyone using LTIR

[murd0c]

Meyers is a perfect signing especially for the price, he would of been better at 2 years but I'm ok with a 3rd since he is a RHD and a big body.

[pastarocket]

Hughes wins the Norris Trophy!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240627/bbf82aaddd08c96e4a5b663e66aab18e.jpg


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[68style]

Wow nice, I didn't think he'd ever get recognized out here... first time a Canuck has ever won it!

[Gumby]

Congrats to Hughes! Although that announcement should have gone in the 2023-24 thread...

[Hondaracer]

He got 172 of the 190 first place votes if I heard right, well done

[snowball]

Allvin cooking indeed

[pastarocket]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240628/6d5bd71626727b7d61579c512c377a5f.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240628/b747de40471df6deeb0d39523926515f.jpg


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[whitev70r]

Classy speech by Hughes, giving kudos to other nominees ... let's see if the embed function works. Yes it does !! Swipe once for vid.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8vjLiaJp4h/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[SkinnyPupp]

I love watching Hughes. Him and Demko. Really glad he got the recognition

This team could be special if they can build a strong enough team around these two and Petey, and they stay healthy. They have 3 seasons to do so I think.

[68style]

Petey needs to stop taking media lessons from Hronek tho lol

[mikemhg]

Petey isn't likable in the slightest. Miller and Hughes are the faces of this team.

[bobbinka]

https://x.com/satiarshah/status/1806760745960341781

[whitev70r]

:heckno: for Z going to free market. What is that fan going to do with that glow in the dark big letter Z ??

[68style]

Boy the Russian experiment has NOT yielded good results:

Podz - Fringe NHL'er at this point
Kuz - Gone
Mik - Gone
Big Z - Going

[whitev70r]

you forgot Tryamkin ... was that his name?

[mikemhg]

Add Bure to that list for the old heads.

Russians don't like playing in Vancouver :lol

[68style]

Haha well there's a whole lot of others, I was sticking to this management team tho.

Anyone remember Chubarov's car still being under Rogers Arena like years after he was gone?

[AzNightmare]

I was pretty confident after the Myers signing, there's no money left on the table for Zadarov. He's not going to take a big discount and Myers didn't take any hometown discount.

Allvin did a pretty good job with the other signings so far, but the Myers one is probably "fair", which means, not good in the context of building a cup contending team.

[bobbinka]

You could still afford Z if you get a cheaper winger in FA, but you'd have to wait until FA to find out before circling back to him, which he likely won't be around long enough for.

They're also in on Tanev, but i don't think that'll work cause he needs term. Talk today about getting Marino from NJD, which would be nice, but i don't see what assets would go the other way.

[Mikoyan]

Zadarov came out publicly against the war in Ukraine and spoke against Putin, so he needs to make those bucks to stay living in America.

[68style]

Tanev is turning 35 just 3 months into the season... he's not getting "term" from anyone. Anything over 3 years would be absolute crazy talk and/or salary cap circumvention.

[bobbinka]

Tanev is turning 35 just 3 months into the season... he's not getting "term" from anyone. Anything over 3 years would be absolute crazy talk and/or salary cap circumvention.

That's what I mean, even 3 years is too long, but someone out there will give it to him

[spoon.ek9]

Can someone explain how Myers at $3M isn't a hometown discount? The comment isn't unique to any one individual. I absolutely disagree with the sentiment, he's literally half the cost now as a veteran RHD. He has the size and understanding of how to be successful with our current coaching staff. In fact, the coaching staff asked for him to be re-signed.

It wasn't a case of signing Myers OR Zadorov. They were trying their hardest to keep both. Big Z wants to get paid the most rather than take a slight discount (like every other UFA who has re-signed so far). No shade, that's just his decision to make. It's exactly what I had been saying had Joshua decided to do the same. Wish you the best of luck, but we need everyone to leave money on the table for the entire team to continue being competitive.

Paying Z $5M+ would have been a mistake and I fully agree with Allvin allowing him to walk at this point. It sucks ass, but it is what it is. He's likely looking for $5.5-6M and term. Huge risk for a dman who until this past postseason has been a 4-5 D at best.

with LTIR, we currently have about $14.5M cap space. Had Z agreed to $5M that would leave $9.5M for a top 6 forward and perhaps some depth on D. There are holes on the lineup yet to fill so this is why management can't overpay to keep one guy. Blueger, Joshua and Myers all left money on the table to return. Z could have done the same.

I get that we all had a huge emotional connection to Z despite his short time here, but we're playing the win-now game and need all the tools we can get to have greater success next year.

[SkinnyPupp]

Petey isn't likable in the slightest. Miller and Hughes are the faces of this team.
He's beloved, people were chanting for him in support when he was struggling.. In the playoffs! I've never seen anything like that before! Usually fans turn on players in that situation; especially Canadian fans.

[bobbinka]

you have to ignore that he was getting $6mil before (thanks Benning). he certainly was not playing like a $6mil man for most of that contract.

i think it was Donnie/Dhali that said $3mil would be what he would've gotten in the open market. so, it's a fair price, but not a discount. Cole got $3mil last year.

[bobbinka]

I just can't see Stamkos leaving Tampa, but man how exciting would that be if Canucks got him in FA

[68style]

Can someone explain how Myers at $3M isn't a hometown discount? The comment isn't unique to any one individual. I absolutely disagree with the sentiment, he's literally half the cost now as a veteran RHD. He has the size and understanding of how to be successful with our current coaching staff. In fact, the coaching staff asked for him to be re-signed.


I think Myers at $3M is just his market price, not a hometown discount.

It's half what he made before, but he was super overpaid for that entire contract. Not just 1 year... the entire contract. He's never ever been a $6M a year dman. Keep in mind his age, this is a retirement contract now.

He's improved quite a bit under the current coaching staff, he had some hero moments in the playoffs this year with his nutsack save in Nashville and some big hits, but this contract feels right. I agree with a previous commenter that maybe 2 years was better given his age, but he seems to have managed to stay pretty healthy and play younger than his age thus far.

Ideally on any team I think you want to generally follow a salary structure like this:
1/2 D - $15M
3/4 D - $6M
5/6 D - $3M

Canucks are basically at that now, tho a Tanev signing would skew things slightly as Myers would drop to 3rd pairing.

[bobbinka]

I think Myers at $3M is just his market price, not a hometown discount.

It's half what he made before, but he was super overpaid for that entire contract. Not just 1 year... the entire contract. He's never ever been a $6M a year dman. Keep in mind his age, this is a retirement contract now.

He's improved quite a bit under the current coaching staff, he had some hero moments in the playoffs this year with his nutsack save in Nashville and some big hits, but this contract feels right. I agree with a previous commenter that maybe 2 years was better given his age, but he seems to have managed to stay pretty healthy and play younger than his age thus far.

It's why he got the 3rd year

[whitev70r]

Talk radio saying that Guentzel money now getting ridiculous levels ... > $9M AAV ... Allvin, don't do it.

[bobbinka]

it was always going to be $9mil+

he wanted $8x8 with his prior teams. but once he hits FA, he can only get max 7 yr term, so it'd be in the $9 range.

[HonestTea]

Rumor has it its a 8x8 by Carolina and now its just formalities.

[pastarocket]

There are other forwards available besides Guentzel in free agency.

What about former Canuck Tyler Toffoli?


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[Tim Budong]

hard to stomach 6m on a Dman thats on the 3rd pairing
but it seems this guy has a good year or two left in him
good luck Z

and yes anythin over 9m for Jake is insane.

[MarkyMark]

Sucks to lose Z just the size of him was nice having in the playoffs when things got gritty. If the numbers don't make sense not much we can do though.

[whitev70r]

Really quiet year at the draft, no splash, no big names, no big stories.

Iginla, Jerome's son got picked up by Utah.

Did Canucks even have a1st round draft ...

[Razor Ramon HG]

No, it was sent to Calgary for Lindholm

[pastarocket]

Oh my. Canucks draft another Swede.

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[pastarocket]

Utah and Tampa make a trade:

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[pastarocket]

Fourth round pick:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240629/fb1c56eb4d1a3357024d677538c9c0cf.jpg
Centre from Ontario.


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[bobbinka]

Holy shit Tampa, dafuq are they doing??

They also traded Jeannot for a 2nd and a 4th rounder, but they had paid a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th to acquire him, LOL

[pastarocket]

Tanev will play for the Maple Laughs:

FINAL HORN: Sportsnet650

The Dallas Stars have traded Chris Tanev's rights to the Toronto Maple Leafs.
12:35 PM · Jun 29, 2024


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[bobbinka]

Tanev will play for the Maple Laughs:

FINAL HORN: Sportsnet650

The Dallas Stars have traded Chris Tanev's rights to the Toronto Maple Leafs.
12:35 PM · Jun 29, 2024


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No. They traded for his rights, so they can start negotiations before FA

[EvoFire]

Can the leafs even fit Tanev in under the cap?

[bobbinka]

Can the leafs even fit Tanev in under the cap?

They're even in on Z and OEL. Maybe Marner or Tavares on the way out

[whitev70r]

If Treliving can get rid of/trade Tavares... he will instantly get the GM of the year award from me.

[AzNightmare]

No. They traded for his rights, so they can start negotiations before FA

Has there been instances where a team trades for rights but no deal panned out?
Just trying to gauge if trading for negotiation rights a highly successful strategy?

[Tim Budong]

Has there been instances where a team trades for rights but no deal panned out?
Just trying to gauge if trading for negotiation rights a highly successful strategy?

Dan Hamhuis, Nashville traded his rights to Philly, then flipped it to the penguins. none of these teams could sign the Hammer

...and then Dan Hamhuis came home

[AzNightmare]

Dan Hamhuis, Nashville traded his rights to Philly, then flipped it to the penguins. none of these teams could sign the Hammer

...and then Dan Hamhuis came home

lol, didn't know you can trade rights like that. So Toronto can flip it if they can't get a deal done with Tanev.

[whitev70r]

Yah, what do you trade for the rights? Like a 5th or 6th round pick? Or 10 bags of pucks and 50 carbon sticks?

I think the chances are good that he'll sign there, he is familiar with Treliving from Calgary. And plus, who wouldn't want to play in Toronto ... :lol.

[spoon.ek9]

Trading rights just means you can negotiate with them before July 1. There are multiple instances where the player didn't sign. Unfortunately though, it sounds like Tanev will sign with the fucking Leafs. Hate it.

[Tim Budong]

I think the chances are good that he'll sign there, he is familiar with Treliving from Calgary. And plus, who wouldn't want to play in Toronto ... :lol.

sure, but Tanev has connections here in town as well lmao

hes a great commodoty to have in the room, especially when he already knows how to deal with the shitty media across the Canada. I might even say he is an expert and a veteren at that.

An extremely valuable skillset to have

[xxxrsxxx]

TB traded for guentzel rights, looks like we aren’t getting him

[AzNightmare]

There's still a chance..... Just negotiation rights...

[pastarocket]

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[whitev70r]

^ hopefully, he can break the line up.

[68style]

They never even gave Woo a NHL start yet? Dudes not gonna make it I think.

The Florida teams have such an unfair advantage with their tax haven status it really sucks.

[whitev70r]

TB traded for guentzel rights, looks like we aren’t getting him

There's still a chance..... Just negotiation rights...

Like why wouldn't Guentzel want to sign with Lightning? Florida taxes ... competitive every year. I'd go out on a limb and say 99% he signs with TBL.

[spoon.ek9]

There's actually some speculation that Guentzel might be hesitating to sign in Tampa. Aging core and closing window to win. Tampa is definitely aging despite having some top notch players. Either way, we'll find out tmrw what happens.

Edit: new report saying they've agreed to terms for 7 year contract lol.

[whitev70r]

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1807578515698597936

[winson604]

Bye bye Stamkos welcome Guentzel.

[AzNightmare]

Like why wouldn't Guentzel want to sign with Lightning? Florida taxes ... competitive every year. I'd go out on a limb and say 99% he signs with TBL.

Only 99%?

https://i.imgflip.com/noell.jpg

[bobbinka]

well, Chicago picked up rights to Canucks legend Sam Lafferty in the Mik trade, and he's still going to free agency.

I don't know why any pending UFA wouldn't go to July 1 just to see what all the competing offers were before making a decision. Unless the team that acquired your rights also happened to be the exact team you wanted to go to, and even then, it'd still make sense to drive up the price with competing offers.

[whitev70r]

^ except sometimes you go to UFA and you're left without a dance partner for a long time, like a few days, and the possible teams picked someone else and you're left with a team you don't want to dance with. Especially if you're a high priced UFA .. .only a certain number of teams can offer say a $8M or 9M AAV ... always get it done before July 1st. Even if difference is like half mil per season AAV ... peace of mind is worth it, I think.

speaking of, Guentzel hit $9M.

[Eatman]

https://x.com/MapleLeafs/status/1807782477831795076?s=19

Oh god, Tanev's a Leaf now
6x4.5

[68style]

Guentzel and Reinhart signed too… Canucks are bridesmaids yet again

[68style]

https://x.com/MapleLeafs/status/1807782477831795076?s=19

Oh god, Tanev's a Leaf now
6x4.5

Did you like how there were articles literally saying he has no intention of playing the last 2-3 years of this contract and it was just to bring the AAV down and he will likely be on LTIR for the last 2-3 years of it?

I guess it's okay for the Leafs to do it, but the Canucks spend like 10 years with salary cap penalties. Wow.

[MarkyMark]

We're quickly running out of options here I wonder who the Canucks have in mind now

[xxxrsxxx]

Linholm and big Z to Boston!

[68style]

7.75 for Lindholm is crazy

Nashville got both Marchessault and Stamkos

[AzNightmare]

Lindholm 7x7.75m
Zadorov 6x5m

[AzNightmare]

Canucks aren't getting anybody because they're not willing to take any bad contracts that will help short term for only 2-3 years...

So that most likely means they won't do anything given how the asking prices.

It's a wise choice not to have an aging player become a boat anchor in the 2nd half of a contract, but not sure what their play is to improve the team though. Who's left??

[mj_39]

Canucks sign F Jake DeBrusk to 7-year, $38.5M contract

[xxxrsxxx]

We got Jake debrusk 7 years $5.5

[68style]

I was just coming here to say that DeBrusk was the only legitimate name left... or Drouin (yuck)

[AzNightmare]

wow!!
lol, must have signed him as I was making my previous post

[mj_39]

Canucks sign F Danton Heinen to 2-year, $4.5M contract

[68style]

They got Forbort too I think

[68style]

Some of the contracts are making me laugh.. 5.5 for 5 to Monahan? Guy can barely fuckin skate

[mj_39]

Kiefer Sherwood 2 x $1.5M Vancouver

[teggy604]

So DeBrusk with Petey and Hog?

[6thGear.]

Lindholm 7x7.75m
Zadorov 6x5m

Holy overpayment. Did Benning go back to his old Boston job?

[bobbinka]

Still need help on the back end. Got $4mil left to spend

[pastarocket]

Boston way overpaid for Lindholm and Zadorov. The Benning way to mess up a team’s salary cap structure guy hahaha.


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[AzNightmare]

lol, we swap players with Boston.

[whitev70r]

Haven't seen this movement or action on Free Agency day in a LONG while.

Stamkos to NSH is pretty big!

Bowman and Coach Q reinstated pretty big ... although not free agency related, they are free agents in the Mgmt world.

Not only did Leafs get Tanev, they got OEL ... O friggin EL !!!

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1807807153513632073

[mj_39]

Van gets Vincent Desharnais 2 x $2M

[spoon.ek9]

As much as people wanted us to make a big splash, I'm sort of relieved we didn't bring the dump truck of cash to overpay some of these old(er) veterans. It's definitely anti-climactic but hopefully in the long run, these are the smart, value signings we look back on as genius moves by management.

Also, considering the kind of money being thrown around the league today, the contracts we signed beforehand are all looking great in terms of value. Depth and options is what we need for a long run, and that's what we got. Yes, one can argue we are lacking some top notch star level offense but I think they did the best they could.

Never forget, Benning "ran out of time" in these types of situations and fucked us over for years with shit contracts. There's also trades during the season that can be made, just like they did last year. Let's see how things pan out!

[bobbinka]

Let's see how things pan out!

What will i do for the next 3 months though?

[spoon.ek9]

I'm sure the media/fans will find something to complain about over the summer lol. As is the norm around this market....

[TjAlmeida]

So many gross overpayments or term handed out for players 30+. I don’t mind debrusk, he’ll be 28 I think in October. Only cringe from the canucks was Desharnais 2x2, but maybe they feel they have no viable depth in the AHL to lean on so may as well keep a capable 7th d.

[spoon.ek9]

I have faith in our coaching staff getting the most of who we picked up today. DeBrusk is said to have stats similar to JT before he came here. Hopefully he can take a step forward with an elevated role. He's also done some good work in the playoffs which includes scoring on Toronto in a game 7.

[68style]

Yah I definitely took note that Debrusk has basically been a PPG player the last 2 playoffs for Boston

[bobbinka]

Chef PA likes them big D, bottom 4 are like 6'4, 6'5, 6'7, and 6'8 i think

[pastarocket]

“I think July 1 is an interesting day, but it's also a scary day,” Allvin told reporters in an afternoon press conference at Rogers Arena. “And I think we were pretty good here today in terms of managing our money and getting, hopefully, good value out of the players we got.

“We felt that we needed to be a faster team in that transition game, and by adding Sherwood, Heinen and DeBrusk, they all can skate.”

Overall, I think that Allvin did a good job with the free agent signings.

You have DeBrusk who has size, speed, and offensive skill to play with Petey.

The team’s speed is better for the transition game like what Allvin mentioned to reporters yesterday.

When the opposing team turns over the puck in the neutral zone, our forwards have more speed and skill to go on the counterattack for a scoring chance.

Our defence has more size and speed with Desharnais.


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[Tim Budong]

Canucks hoping Debrusk could breakout like Hyman on a very friendly contract

im hopeful too lol

[Liquid_o2]

If Debrusk notches 25 goals on a consistent basis and plays his strong defensive game he is known for throughout the contract, I see it as a solid signing. Really happy with the forward signings. Heinan is going to be a stud on the 3rd/4th lines. Local kid, fans are going to be happy with him.

Defense is looking suspect though. I don't know if GMPA is going to go after a top 4 guy in a trade to shore it up - but I am nervous going into the season with the group we have now unless someone steps up big time. Desharnais and Forbort are both #6. I would not want a 3rd pairing made up of the two of them. Really wish we were able to sign Matt Roy and move Myers down to the third pair.

[murd0c]

All I know is its about time we have a competent GM that's not over paying players on July 1st. I'm honestly really happy with the signings that were made. I think Debrusk has a lot more to offer and playing with Petey should hopefully help both of them out. I saw how Hughes was very happy we signed Sherwood since he was such a pest during the Preds series. Yes the D still needs work but they are still just as big and even bigger on the back end which is fantastic. Overall this is a great start and I cant wait to see what else Allvin has up his sleeve.

[pastarocket]

https://canucksarmy.com/news/grading-each-vancouver-canucks-signings-day-one-nhl-free-agency

-grading of Allvin's free agent signings.

[SkinnyPupp]

Gritty winger who is good along the boards and responsible defensively, sounds good to me. That's basically the Panthers.

[Tim Budong]

If Debrusk notches 25 goals on a consistent basis and plays his strong defensive game he is known for throughout the contract, I see it as a solid signing. Really happy with the forward signings. Heinan is going to be a stud on the 3rd/4th lines. Local kid, fans are going to be happy with him.

Defense is looking suspect though. I don't know if GMPA is going to go after a top 4 guy in a trade to shore it up - but I am nervous going into the season with the group we have now unless someone steps up big time. Desharnais and Forbort are both #6. I would not want a 3rd pairing made up of the two of them. Really wish we were able to sign Matt Roy and move Myers down to the third pair.

As long as Desharnais isnt wearing any sort of orange, i won't call him a pylon :QQ:

We got a forrest around Quinn, here's hoping our PK is rehashed, reorganised and ready to defend

[pastarocket]

According to Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli, Casey DeSmith has signed a three-year contract with the Dallas Stars worth $3 million ($1 million AAV). DeSmith will replace Scott Wedgewood as the backup to Jake Oettinger.

Bye bye Casey.


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[68style]

Heinen is a really good penalty killer, having him and Joshua out there to kill penalties will take some minutes off Miller hopefully... I know some teams like to employ skill guys on the PK but I prefer they aren't eating pucks on shot blocks tbh, willing to sacrifice the 3-4 extra SHG per season that come from having them out there.

[spoon.ek9]

my biggest concern right now is also the defense. we are lacking in puck moving D which could come back to bite us. size and PK ability aside, this d core seems to be lacking offensive punch unless someone has a breakout year.

[Hondaracer]

Glad they didn’t commit to similar deals that Z and Lindholm got, too long

And the risk was too great with Z that you slow down even more in the latter years

[bobbinka]

There's still 2.7mil in cap space. Offload a league minimum contract during the season and can still pick up 3.5mil player

[68style]

Canucks going into a season with cap space, unheard of!

So elephant in the room........... Boeser is a UFA at the end of this season

[whitev70r]

Tarasenko ends up in Detroit. Tiffoli ends up in San Jose.

I mean if you get a multiple year $XM offer anywhere in the NHL you should be thankful ... but someone was posing, why or why not go to free agency. Well, sometimes after the first round of 'musical chairs' ... you get left with not so preferable teams with money to spend.

[bobbinka]

Canucks going into a season with cap space, unheard of!

So elephant in the room........... Boeser is a UFA at the end of this season

If they want to keep him, should be able to afford the raise. Only other UFAs are suter at 1.6, forbert at 1.5, and 3 league minimum contracts.

[murd0c]

If they want to keep him, should be able to afford the raise. Only other UFAs are suter at 1.6, forbert at 1.5, and 3 league minimum contracts.

You also need to factor in the OEL buy out money that goes up next year as well.

[whitev70r]

Speaking of ... what a trajectory for OEL.

Gets cushy buyout from Canucks, gets decent contract with Panthers (double dip), wins the friggin SC, then now has what ... a 4 yr contract with the Leafs (and still double dipping from Canucks). Although I think buyouts, you get it all at once, is that right?

Oh to be a avg D man who gets a big contract one time ... OEL should be sending Christmas present to Benning every year.

[murd0c]

The contract was signed by the Coyotes not Benning and I guess you can now say Utah is also paying him on top of the Canucks since the retained a bit of money when he was traded to the Canucks. It's crazy to think even tho the leafs are only paying him 3.5 hes still making close to 8 mill because of the buy out LOL

[pastarocket]

Yeah, Benning's trade for OEL to play for our Canucks was Dim Jim's way to get rid of one player in Loui Eriksson for a dud of a D man.

OEL's stats for his two seasons with the Canucks:


2021-2022: 29 points, +5.

2022-2023: 22 points, -24.


The only bright spot of that OEL trade was getting a good forward in Garland.

A $19.3 million US buyout of OEL.

[murd0c]

and that good forward in Garland only came out last year, hopefully this year he plays just as good

[68style]

Some people are saying the cap will rise to $92M for the 25-26 season, so might be room created that way lol

[spoon.ek9]

that's why GMs went balls to the walls with these UFA contracts. they know the cap will continue to go up so I guess they don't mind making what seems like mistakes right now.

makes me extra grateful that Canucks management isn't falling into this trap. If our window to win is the next 4-5 years (perhaps longer) then we'll be in good position to make bigger signings/trades down the line rather than he tied down by poorly aging contracts.

one can hope anyways...

[whitev70r]

And GM goes ball to the wall because they are pressured to win NOW ... who knows if they'll last 1 or 2 or 3 yrs or get fired ... let the next GM deal with the bad contract.

[spoon.ek9]

that's why I absolutely hated Benning. his last deals weren't about making the team better in the long run, it was about saving his job. the job he had fucked up so badly for years already...

[winson604]

Speaking of ... what a trajectory for OEL.

Gets cushy buyout from Canucks, gets decent contract with Panthers (double dip), wins the friggin SC, then now has what ... a 4 yr contract with the Leafs (and still double dipping from Canucks). Although I think buyouts, you get it all at once, is that right?

Oh to be a avg D man who gets a big contract one time ... OEL should be sending Christmas present to Benning every year.

I believe it's quite the opposite of a lump sum you get paid 2/3 of the remaining salary already twice the remaining time on the contract to. So OEL had what 4 years left? Then he would be paid 2/3 what we owed him over 8 years and I think it's even less money if they're under a certain age.

[Tim Budong]

Yeah, Benning's trade for OEL to play for our Canucks was Dim Jim's way to get rid of one player in Loui Eriksson for a dud of a D man.

OEL's stats for his two seasons with the Canucks:


2021-2022: 29 points, +5.

2022-2023: 22 points, -24.


The only bright spot of that OEL trade was getting a good forward in Garland.

A $19.3 million US buyout of OEL.

tbh, at the given time, everything was great, except the price paid and the contract length, just he became a huge dud under whatever sytem the canucks had deployed after 2 coaches

[Hondaracer]

So I bought a few playoff tickets through Ticketmaster, nothing special, couple lower bowl games and I got transferred an upper bowl game

This woman has been calling me from the Canucks a couple times and I’ve always been busy so I told her it’s a bad time. She’s finally reached out via email and she’s offering what is basically a concierge service for the Canucks to me? Lol

Dunno if these are paid agents or what but she said if I need tickets, interested in seasons etc. contact her directly? Kinda weird

[pastarocket]

The Canucks and VPD need to do something to protect DeBrusk and his partner from a deranged “fan.”

Apparently, the Bruins banned this psycho bitch from TD Garden. Boston police were also involved at the time Jake played for that team.

https://www.canucksdaily.com/nhl-team/vancouver-canucks/jake-debrusk-threatened-by-a-fan-she-resurfaces-after-he-signed-in-vancouver?

During his tenure with the Boston Bruins, DeBrusk faced troubling attention from a fan who was ultimately banned from TD Garden to keep her away from him and his partner, Mia.

This fan, Jan, has now reappeared on social media platform X, expressing plans to follow DeBrusk to Vancouver.

Also @Canucks she has admitted that the Bruins had her banned and that the Boston Police Department had to get involved. She threatens Jake & and his gf Mia like ‘Why does she deserve protection,' lots of bad karma coming her way» and ‘Jake will pay for it'


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[EvoFire]

The Canucks and VPD need to do something to protect DeBrusk and his partner from a deranged “fan.”

Apparently, the Bruins banned this psycho bitch from TD Garden. Boston police were also involved at the time Jake played for that team.

https://www.canucksdaily.com/nhl-team/vancouver-canucks/jake-debrusk-threatened-by-a-fan-she-resurfaces-after-he-signed-in-vancouver?

During his tenure with the Boston Bruins, DeBrusk faced troubling attention from a fan who was ultimately banned from TD Garden to keep her away from him and his partner, Mia.

This fan, Jan, has now reappeared on social media platform X, expressing plans to follow DeBrusk to Vancouver.

Also @Canucks she has admitted that the Bruins had her banned and that the Boston Police Department had to get involved. She threatens Jake & and his gf Mia like ‘Why does she deserve protection,' lots of bad karma coming her way» and ‘Jake will pay for it'


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If she's not Canadian, get CBSA to ban her ass from entering Canada?

[whitev70r]

That's a SERIOUS stalker who will follow him to another city in another country. Debrusk prob thought ... 'Finally, I'm getting out of Boston and this cray cray, gone girl, psycho fan ...'.

There might be some possibility or reason for Canadian government banning her if she has a record of stalking and/or restraining order.

[68style]

Wonder what her issue is, I mean no homo Jakey ain't a bad looking fellow but he's no model lol

[spoon.ek9]

you should look up her photo lol. it'll shine some light onto just how delusional this woman is (if her psycho posts weren't enough).

[68style]

Silovs signed for 2 years, looks like $850k a year which is less than I would have expected !

[bobbinka]

They couldn't have agreed on that earlier....? Dafuq

[CRS]

they were probably negotiating between a two way vs just the one way that it is here.

[spoon.ek9]

that's a freaking steal of a contract. everyone is still buying in as a group to leave money on the table for long term success. love to see it!

[whitev70r]

He is worth more than $850K / yr !! So yah ... really good deal.

[spoon.ek9]

it's such a privilege to have competent management again lol. i hope we don't take it for granted again. fucking dimjim was overpaying basically everyone.

[AzNightmare]

lol, more pressure on Pettersson to play extremely well now, to the point his 11.6m look like a discount like everybody else's contract. lol

[whitev70r]

Agreed ... all of the good $850K, $2-4M AAV contracts won't be remembered if the $11.6M AAV one doesn't perform to expectation.

[mb_]

I love Silovs and thought he played well in the playoffs but let's not forget he had fewer than 10 NHL games under his belt before being thrown to the wolves. So I think $850k/year is fair.

[68style]

DeSmith was an absolute bargain last year... Silovs is a bargain as a back-up now... like the pay I think matches his experience level, but we know he's pretty damn good and to have a Vezina calibre starting goalie and a super solid almost carried us past the Oilers back-up signed together for ~$6M... that's quite a bit less than most teams are paying for just a starter.

[Mr.Money]

see how heathy the front line goalies are this year if we even see Silovs on the ice..


as a back up goalie that's real money.

[winson604]

DeSmith was an absolute bargain last year... Silovs is a bargain as a back-up now... like the pay I think matches his experience level, but we know he's pretty damn good and to have a Vezina calibre starting goalie and a super solid almost carried us past the Oilers back-up signed together for ~$6M... that's quite a bit less than most teams are paying for just a starter.

Especially at a time where it looks like goalie contracts are on the rise again. For a bit of time there goalie contracts were getting lower especially as teams starting doing more tandems.

[68style]

Yah I seen some rumors that Shesterkin is looking for $12M a year?!

[Tim Budong]

love the Silovs signing
the team has 2 backup goalies to give Demko some rest.

[winson604]

Yah I seen some rumors that Shesterkin is looking for $12M a year?!

That's pretty wild. Looking at the highest paid goalies in the league Carey Price and Segei Bobrovsky at 10.5 and 10 respectively but those are old contracts and crazy overpayment even at the time. If you look at the next 3 which are more recent you've got Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck, and Sorokin at 9.5, 8.5 and 8.25 and that should be closer to the bar that has been set for the tier 1 goalies.

[teggy604]

lol, more pressure on Pettersson to play extremely well now, to the point his 11.6m look like a discount like everybody else's contract. lol

Looking forward to his 120+ point season. woot woot

[68style]

The thing I'm worried about is 120+ point regular season, 5 point PP and 2nd assist only playoffs

[winson604]

The thing I'm worried about is 120+ point regular season, 5 point PP and 2nd assist only playoffs

Always this, I rather a cool 1 point per game for 80-90 points but being hot in the playoffs. Hopefully, it's a one off and he has gained the experience to be much better next time. The time is now we don't have much time to fuck around .

[spoon.ek9]

I still think of his performance in the bubble playoffs. I'm confident he can be that player again (if not even better).

[teggy604]

Canucks have only 3 fwds that are right shot. The rest are all left shot fwd. lol.

[winson604]

Canucks have only 3 fwds that are right shot. The rest are all left shot fwd. lol.

Does that include Sprong who we just signed?

[bobbinka]

Sprong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHE0VW8kQqo

[spoon.ek9]

$975k 1 year deal :woot2:

[punkwax]

I got sprong.

[teggy604]

Does that include Sprong who we just signed?

nope. so 4 righty now. All centre are lefty except Sherwood. Is he a good face off guy? lol.

[winson604]

nope. so 4 righty now. All centre are lefty except Sherwood. Is he a good face off guy? lol.

Is he a centre? He only took 31 faceoffs all of last year for 48%

[whitev70r]

Stan Bowman is the new GM of the Oilers. Hmmm ....

[MarkyMark]

Even more of a reason to be happy Edmonton didn't win the cup, what a trash organization.

[68style]

So we just need Quenneville and MacIsaac to get hired by new teams and everyone involved in that coverup/scandal will have a job in the NHL again.

Lovely.

[mb_]

Lol reading some comments on social media trying to justify the hiring by saying "everyone makes mistakes"

Covering up a sexual assault is not a mistake

[bobbinka]

Evander Kane, Corey Perry, Stan Bowman, who's next? the 5 guys from the World Junior team? Lucic?

[Teriyaki]

Edmonton on their way to collect all the infinity stones of garbage.

[Hondaracer]

The funny thing is like.. Bowman was kinda a trash GM too, the radio this morning they were kinda looking at “his” moves prior to leaving the hawks and almost none of them worked out

So not only did you take on all the controversy of the hire, you got an at best, average GM

[Tim Budong]

Evander Kane, Corey Perry, Stan Bowman, who's next? the 5 guys from the World Junior team? Lucic?

tbf...and not judging the guy's past mistake
The oilers could use someone like Carter Hart lmao

[murd0c]

If the Oilers signed Hart they would prob win a cup...