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AstulzerRZD
04-22-2026, 12:36 PM
Here's another one for 68Style to blow his brains out over - friend sent this to me coincidentally same girl LOL

https://i.imgur.com/yVxFS5J.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/b2O1LLe.png

Kinda rude ngl - that's like saying "Being 33 and driving a Honda is wild"
Her prompt is textbook invitation for daddy energy where u find the requests amusing

- Easy list until we got to 'hehe haha.' What's my best shot here - dad joke, weird observation, or full physical comedy
- You're the kinda girl who says 'surprise me' and then vetoes the first three surprises. I'm into it

You both suck at texting this girl

AstulzerRZD
04-22-2026, 12:37 PM
[/SPOILER]

:lawl:

dating at that age must be a nightmare for women loool

dating women at that age is a nightmare
feels like they've seen it all so i'm always on edge for like random shit tests and reads

feels too bitter/mechanical for me to enjoy lol

AstulzerRZD
04-22-2026, 12:37 PM
^cringey shit mop head.... cringey ass shit......

that's... the point?
u coudl be an adult and text like a boring judgemental millenial
or text her like ur two kids on a playground and keep this shit silly like it's supposed to be

CivicBlues
04-22-2026, 12:42 PM
33 y.o. bitch is literally a millennial.

MarkyMark
04-22-2026, 12:42 PM
Man wtf is this shit lol if this is what the competition talks like these days I think I'd be just fine if I ever became single again.

spoon.ek9
04-22-2026, 12:43 PM
lol I've always had that thought too actually. How can you be in your 30's and still not know what you want in a long term relationship...? I did however keep that to myself because saying that to a girl on an app instantly means you ain't getting shit. Waste of time for both parties.

AstulzerRZD
04-22-2026, 12:47 PM
33 y.o. bitch is literally a millennial.

she lookin to feel young again :ahwow:
profile literally says "figuring out what i'm looking for"

bcrdukes
04-22-2026, 12:51 PM
Which app is this?

AstulzerRZD
04-22-2026, 12:52 PM
Man wtf is this shit lol if this is what the competition talks like these days I think I'd be just fine if I ever became single again.

bruh even my smoking hot late 30s? physical therapist texts me like this when I'm up for it and she was born WHILE the soviet union was still a thing
last time she took me out for food. like at a wine bar. on a friday.

u can get ANY woman to be playful and feel like a kid - who tf wants to feel old and serious

AstulzerRZD
04-22-2026, 12:53 PM
Which app is this?

purple = hinge

AstulzerRZD
04-22-2026, 12:57 PM
33 y.o. bitch is literally a millennial.

ok maybe hobz is ok with being a guangdong hoarder / not living in his ex's ass all day but i feel like most people aren't secure enough for that.

idk about u but i like to feel young, the idea of growing old scares me a bit even if my life gets better every year

spoon.ek9
04-22-2026, 01:05 PM
Man wtf is this shit lol if this is what the competition talks like these days I think I'd be just fine if I ever became single again.

Mentally, I'm here already and I haven't even been married once or had kids yet. This is what dating in the past 10 years has done to me. I'm absolutely done with the games and bullshit. If you don't know what you want, don't know how care for others and have morals in the gutter, I want nothing to do with you. Also, what is a person like that doing on an app that's supposed to be geared towards people who are MORE serious about relationships? "lol i dunno teehee"

g.t.f.o....

CivicBlues
04-22-2026, 01:15 PM
Man this shit isn't even youthful banter, it's just straight up transactional bullshit.

What can you do for me?

I can do X

No I also want Y

Nah bye Felicia

GTFO with that shit.

Badhobz
04-22-2026, 01:31 PM
ok maybe hobz is ok with being a guangdong hoarder / not living in his ex's ass all day but i feel like most people aren't secure enough for that.

idk about u but i like to feel young, the idea of growing old scares me a bit even if my life gets better every year

I love getting old. The older I get the more I can do curmudgeony shit that people excuse as ohhhh but that’s because he’s old and cranky.

Yeah bitch. Now come here and suck my dick you playful cunt.

AstulzerRZD
04-22-2026, 01:35 PM
only if u can catch me u old fart

SSM_DC5
04-22-2026, 01:42 PM
[/SPOILER]

:lawl:

dating at that age must be a nightmare for women loool

Expiration dates aren't real:lawl:

Gerbs
04-22-2026, 02:42 PM
that's... the point?
u coudl be an adult and text like a boring judgemental millenial
or text her like ur two kids on a playground and keep this shit silly like it's supposed to be

100%, they just wanna be a child, adult stuff is for in-person

gotta say dumb shit through text especially early stages, it matters more that you are fun than being rich or tall

Man this shit isn't even youthful banter, it's just straight up transactional bullshit.

What can you do for me?
I can do X
No I also want Y


that's why dating under 28 is so fun, there's still newness in restaurants, activities, travelling, then they all go wahhhhhhh top down


date old enough, and it's oh tasting menu here sucks, already did this activity i don't like it, i had a situationship and their doors go up, and it's too loud so annoying

AstulzerRZD
04-22-2026, 03:11 PM
100%, they just wanna be a child, adult stuff is for in-person

ya in person is like oh shit "he could hurt me" and so they need the comfort vibes/more serious leadership in person

68style
04-22-2026, 04:47 PM
All I can say is best of ruck with our India overlords since they’re the only ones having kids the way you guys talk

Badhobz
04-22-2026, 05:24 PM
dats true. brown and alternative generic browns aka dem musliums.

gg no re.

BIC_BAWS
04-22-2026, 10:17 PM
Date #2 with Panda Ex girl

Spent $86.65 on museum + food + dessert x2, 150km driven tho.

All in all, not bad at all, considering what thread has seen LOL

FIFA has done a number on the crackhead and clean up in Chinatown, it's crazy. It only marginally smells like piss now, and all the crackheads are in one area (just that one street on hastings). You can almost feel safe. We walked around Chinatown for quite a bit and got a chance to explore some pretty cool cultural gems that I never would have went to if it was still cracked up.

Infiniti
04-23-2026, 05:15 AM
This thread is depressing, imma go back to playing with my toddler and passing out on the couch at 730.

Badhobz
04-23-2026, 06:13 AM
Date #2 with Panda Ex girl

Spent $86.65 on museum + food + dessert x2, 150km driven tho.

All in all, not bad at all, considering what thread has seen LOL

FIFA has done a number on the crackhead and clean up in Chinatown, it's crazy. It only marginally smells like piss now, and all the crackheads are in one area (just that one street on hastings). You can almost feel safe. We walked around Chinatown for quite a bit and got a chance to explore some pretty cool cultural gems that I never would have went to if it was still cracked up.

youre dating a panda express girl? shouldnt she be a really cheap date? also im pretty sure all panda express girls are mexican.

68style
04-23-2026, 06:24 AM
He took her to panda express on their first date

supafamous
04-23-2026, 06:27 AM
I was out last night with my early 40s buddy who is splitting up with his wife (3 kids) and he slipped the cute bartender his number at the end of the night. I will report back on how he does in the dating pool - he's a sharp looking guy (one of my friends has already asked me to hook her up with him) and makes good money.

68style
04-23-2026, 06:37 AM
Won't even visit 68style, but wingmans a sharp looking guy like it's nothing... I see how it is

Badhobz
04-23-2026, 07:00 AM
I was out last night with my early 40s buddy who is splitting up with his wife (3 kids) and he slipped the cute bartender his number at the end of the night. I will report back on how he does in the dating pool - he's a sharp looking guy (one of my friends has already asked me to hook her up with him) and makes good money.

Fag.

bcrdukes
04-23-2026, 07:06 AM
Holy wow.

EvoFire
04-23-2026, 08:24 AM
I was out last night with my early 40s buddy who is splitting up with his wife (3 kids) and he slipped the cute bartender his number at the end of the night. I will report back on how he does in the dating pool - he's a sharp looking guy (one of my friends has already asked me to hook her up with him) and makes good money.

Define good money? My level of income (which I would call good money, no great) would become no money after a divorce and he has to pay support for 3 kids.

A friend who is going through an ugly divorce was recently having a custody battle. The two kids was originally staying with her full time and the dad would take them during the day two times a week to maintain a relationship.

The dad is now fighting for custody not because he wants the kids with him (he doesn't even have space for them and he moved back to live with parents after the divorce) but rather if the kids spent less time with mom he would have to pay less support payments.

The toll I see taken on the kids though.....

supafamous
04-23-2026, 08:54 AM
Define good money? My level of income (which I would call good money, no great) would become no money after a divorce and he has to pay support for 3 kids.

A friend who is going through an ugly divorce was recently having a custody battle. The two kids was originally staying with her full time and the dad would take them during the day two times a week to maintain a relationship.

The dad is now fighting for custody not because he wants the kids with him (he doesn't even have space for them and he moved back to live with parents after the divorce) but rather if the kids spent less time with mom he would have to pay less support payments.

The toll I see taken on the kids though.....

Divorce, especially with 3 kids, does put a pretty serious dent in "good money" - he's just signed to rent a 3 bedroom townhouse for $4950/mo as they will have shared custody while his ex-wife will need a 4 bedroom house as her parents live with her/them. They're selling the house they have together and are probably going from a $5-8k mortgage payment to having to spend $10-12k on housing between the two of them. If I had to guess I think their household income was around $350-425k with him being the higher earner by a bit - I'd guess he'll pay a little bit of child support but not much.

They had also just moved on from paying $5k/mo for their nanny earlier this year and he was so excited to get that cashflow back and now it's gone again.

roastpuff
04-23-2026, 09:05 AM
Date #2 with Panda Ex girl

Spent $86.65 on museum + food + dessert x2, 150km driven tho.

All in all, not bad at all, considering what thread has seen LOL

FIFA has done a number on the crackhead and clean up in Chinatown, it's crazy. It only marginally smells like piss now, and all the crackheads are in one area (just that one street on hastings). You can almost feel safe. We walked around Chinatown for quite a bit and got a chance to explore some pretty cool cultural gems that I never would have went to if it was still cracked up.

Did you count the gas cost though. With the price of gas these days lol.

Also, the Chinese Canadian museum is really cool, on E Pender.

Traum
04-23-2026, 09:36 AM
The alimony / child support payments are the reasons why you won't see me getting a divorce lol~

BIC_BAWS
04-23-2026, 09:51 AM
Did you count the gas cost though. With the price of gas these days lol.

Also, the Chinese Canadian museum is really cool, on E Pender.

Man my last fill up for 32L was $75.. 150 km is probably 1/3 of my tank, so $25? $100 ish for a date not too bad.

and I concur, the Chinese Canadian Museum is REALLY cool but I don't think I'm cultured enough to recognize any artists. They did have a karaoke machine there.. and I did some impromptu karaoke.

supafamous
04-23-2026, 09:52 AM
The alimony / child support payments are the reasons why you won't see me getting a divorce lol~

You just gotta make less than your (ex)wife! Gotta marry up!

CivicBlues
04-23-2026, 10:11 AM
We're dating Americans across the border now? Careful the border guards don't take you in for suspected Human Trafficking.

Anyone watching the latest season of BEEF? The wife divorces her husband and gets half his future earnings in perpetuity. :pokerface:

GS8
04-23-2026, 10:32 AM
Hinge definitely needs to change its name to Unhinge.

33 year olds with Disney princess syndrome. What an absolute dead end of existence.

bcrdukes
04-23-2026, 10:37 AM
in perpetuity. :pokerface:

WUT? :pokerface:

Badhobz
04-23-2026, 10:41 AM
Kids complicate everything. Lousy kids!

smoothie.
04-23-2026, 12:06 PM
this is why I'm a virgin

EvoFire
04-23-2026, 12:10 PM
Divorce, especially with 3 kids, does put a pretty serious dent in "good money" - he's just signed to rent a 3 bedroom townhouse for $4950/mo as they will have shared custody while his ex-wife will need a 4 bedroom house as her parents live with her/them. They're selling the house they have together and are probably going from a $5-8k mortgage payment to having to spend $10-12k on housing between the two of them. If I had to guess I think their household income was around $350-425k with him being the higher earner by a bit - I'd guess he'll pay a little bit of child support but not much.

They had also just moved on from paying $5k/mo for their nanny earlier this year and he was so excited to get that cashflow back and now it's gone again.

We were a 300k household before I got laid off and there's no way it's amazing money, or we are just doing something very wrong. There would be practically nothing left if we have to pay 5k monthly for a nanny on top of our mortgage. We were at a 175/125 split, and our take home was around 16-17k/m

Even at 350k, they would be taking home 19k a month, dropping 12k a month on two homes is ridiculous.

We are too broke to get divorced. I do joke that I can't afford to get divorced, but I can afford to die. I have enough coverage that my wife and kids would be taken care of.

Lesson to take home, don't get married, and definitely don't have kids.

bcrdukes
04-23-2026, 12:11 PM
:ahwow:

supafamous
04-23-2026, 12:48 PM
We are too broke to get divorced. I do joke that I can't afford to get divorced, but I can afford to die. I have enough coverage that my wife and kids would be taken care of.


Too broke to get divorced, too tired to have an affair, but rich enough to die.

teggy604
04-23-2026, 12:59 PM
Dont have kids and dont get married is what most ppl say, but majority will still do it.


I got coworkers that say that to me, yet they have been divorced multiple times, have multiple kids with different women. And are working to pay child support. Like dude take your own advice for once and get a vasectomy. Lol

bcrdukes
04-23-2026, 01:03 PM
*Snip*

supafamous
04-23-2026, 01:20 PM
Dont have kids and dont get married is what most ppl say, but majority will still do it.


I got coworkers that say that to me, yet they have been divorced multiple times, have multiple kids with different women. And are working to pay child support. Like dude take your own advice for once and get a vasectomy. Lol

I'd say you have to be good (and lucky) at picking your partner - if you pick well then things can turn out a lot better in the end. On the late stage of life side it makes a huge difference to quality of life if you have a solid partner. Bonus points if you have a good relationship with your kids. If those two are true then you're living large in the last 30 years of life.

Tapioca
04-23-2026, 03:40 PM
While there are guys like Mike, who are major anomalies by the way, the majority of Peter Pans are socially stunted, aren't likely to be that successful financially or professionally, and are likely to be in poorer health than married men.

Yeah many married men are jaded and cynical, but if you find the right partner, a married man is way better off in so many respects.

And women are still likely to go out with divorced men rather than forever single types because at least the damaged man at some point in his life showed an ability to commit to a relationship.

donk.
04-23-2026, 04:04 PM
The alimony / child support payments are the reasons why you won't see me getting a divorce lol~

Financial rape is legal, and in full force

spoon.ek9
04-23-2026, 04:15 PM
All of the problems you guys have listed as well as seeing so many ugly divorces are exactly why pre-nups are an absolute necessity these days. You may not have done it yourself with your partner, but it would be wise to teach your kids to get it done.

supafamous
04-23-2026, 06:37 PM
All of the problems you guys have listed as well as seeing so many ugly divorces are exactly why pre-nups are an absolute necessity these days. You may not have done it yourself with your partner, but it would be wise to teach your kids to get it done.

Isn't the trick to not needing a prenup just being poor?

I have to wonder what level of wealth pre-marriage would justify a prenup (I also assume some discrepancy in wealth in the two parties too).

Badhobz
04-23-2026, 07:15 PM
i attribute all my successes to my wife. im serious. She brought a complete 360 in my life. i never thought id be where I am and looking at my peers who also grew up in the slums, im really, really blessed.

i wouldnt change it for the world and id protect that midget with my last breath, even if she annoys the shit out of me.

so yes, finding the right partner is absolutely vital to your happiness and success.

I used to eat fried dace everyday and holiday lucheon meat okay?
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/1a0c98d9-0a74-41f3-ae51-2fed344f7746.c00611c8bcc44986e182e78d093f3e2e.jpeg

https://images.getrecipekit.com/20240103003834-4-recipes-to-enjoy-fried-dace.png?aspect_ratio=16:9&quality=90&

now i eat costco hotdogs and bogo footlogs. what a life!!!!

spoon.ek9
04-23-2026, 07:27 PM
Isn't the trick to not needing a prenup just being poor?

I have to wonder what level of wealth pre-marriage would justify a prenup (I also assume some discrepancy in wealth in the two parties too).

good luck being a man and looking specifically for a girl who has more wealth than you to date lol. unless you're targeting those 39+ rich chinese bitches hobz knows, I wouldn't hold your breath.

To me, it doesn't matter who I end up with because I wanted a pre-nup either way. I have more? Sign this for my peace of mind. You have more? I'll sign this to give YOU peace of mind. It doesn't get more fair than that.

Gumby
04-23-2026, 07:37 PM
now i eat costco hotdogs and bogo footlogs. what a life!!!!
Hey, nothing wrong if you choose that life! More money for your wife to spend. :lol

yray
04-23-2026, 07:38 PM
I feel in canada, its actually advantageous to have a kid out of wed lock. The parent can claim the kid as "spouse" :lawl:

RabidRat
04-23-2026, 07:38 PM
I used to eat fried dace everyday and holiday lucheon meat okay?
https://images.getrecipekit.com/20240103003834-4-recipes-to-enjoy-fried-dace.png?aspect_ratio=16:9&quality=90&


Wait, you got to eat that every day?!?!

I got that as a treat!! My dad would be like hey, it's time for "leng yu fan" (fried dace rice)!! I got a half a piece of that fish to mash into my bowl of white rice.

My dad also used to make "dan tong" (egg soup): cracked an egg into a pot of water, salted it, and then doled that out into bowls. Heeeell yeah

teggy604
04-24-2026, 07:00 AM
Dace fried rice is good. I usually do that if I got nothing in the fridge lol.

Bitter melon with dace is sooo good. It's usually a staple at my place.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 07:11 AM
Not sure if I've ever eaten dace... I'm pretty sure I must have by now but I definitely didn't grow up with it :suspicious:

teggy604
04-24-2026, 08:12 AM
If you haven't grown up with dace or luncheon meat you ain't poor lol.


1 dish dace and the other is white rice. 95 white rice and 5 percent dace. You still hungry, well you better fill another bowl of white rice, because that 5 percent dace was all you got. lol

EvoFire
04-24-2026, 08:27 AM
Black bean dace is great, but I find the brands we have now are either poor quality or they don't taste right.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 08:34 AM
maybe we need a struggle meals thread :lol

Badhobz
04-24-2026, 08:41 AM
but seriously, my only true advice for you whipper snappers looking for a wife. Find a rich one.

yes yes hobz, easier said than done you retard.... fine. But for some reason, all the women ive ever dated had $$$. It really makes your life a lot easier when you dont have to worry about money or if the bitch is out to steal your shit.

Rich people are a bit more of a hassle to deal with, but you wont run into problems like OMG BITCH YOU SPENT YOUR ENTIRE SAVINGS ON FAGGOT BTS TICKETS, NOW HOW WE GONNA EAT? type of conversations.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 08:44 AM
I think all the wealthy girls I ever met deemed me inadequate. Which, in the end, jokes on them because I have things coming my way they had no idea about.

MarkyMark
04-24-2026, 08:51 AM
but seriously, my only true advice for you whipper snappers looking for a wife. Find a rich one.

yes yes hobz, easier said than done you retard.... fine. But for some reason, all the women ive ever dated had $$$. It really makes your life a lot easier when you dont have to worry about money or if the bitch is out to steal your shit.

Rich people are a bit more of a hassle to deal with, but you wont run into problems like OMG BITCH YOU SPENT YOUR ENTIRE SAVINGS ON FAGGOT BTS TICKETS, NOW HOW WE GONNA EAT? type of conversations.

Is all the money worth it if you never get to fuck though? Eventually you just have a rich roommate that you coexist with.

Traum
04-24-2026, 08:57 AM
Is all the money worth it if you never get to fuck though? Eventually you just have a rich roommate that you coexist with.
I thought RS has long established -- with a full numerical analysis -- that hiring "professionals" is the higher ROI option compared to being together with someone?

So as long as you have the money (from marrying rich), you would also have the option to hire "professionals". The only concern then becomes how you wouldn't get kicked out by the rich roomate. :badpokerface:

Badhobz
04-24-2026, 09:02 AM
Is all the money worth it if you never get to fuck though? Eventually you just have a rich roommate that you coexist with.

that might be a white guy problem... all the old chinese men ive seen barely wanna talk to their wives, let alone fuck them. FeelsBadMan

When shes dead, ill go in a huge hoe binder.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 09:09 AM
hobz you need to be the saviour. identify all the rich bitches the boys should target!

MarkyMark
04-24-2026, 09:16 AM
that might be a white guy problem... all the old chinese men ive seen barely wanna talk to their wives, let alone fuck them. FeelsBadMan

When shes dead, ill go in a huge hoe binder.

Oh she will long outlive you with all that pent-up tension you'll be carrying the next 30 years lol.

Badhobz
04-24-2026, 09:20 AM
aye dats true....

bcrdukes
04-24-2026, 09:48 AM
Badhobz is already dead inside. :alone:

GLOW
04-24-2026, 09:49 AM
:ahwow: TIL this was called dace i just called it black bean canned fish growing up :lol

I thought RS has long established -- with a full numerical analysis -- that hiring "professionals" is the higher ROI option compared to being together with someone?


RS taught the higher ROI option but never taught how to find/execute higher ROI option FeelsBadMan

:troll:

bcrdukes
04-24-2026, 09:55 AM
I think djstyles can hold a masterclass on the "how" portion. :D

supafamous
04-24-2026, 10:07 AM
but seriously, my only true advice for you whipper snappers looking for a wife. Find a rich one.

yes yes hobz, easier said than done you retard.... fine. But for some reason, all the women ive ever dated had $$$. It really makes your life a lot easier when you dont have to worry about money or if the bitch is out to steal your shit.

Rich people are a bit more of a hassle to deal with, but you wont run into problems like OMG BITCH YOU SPENT YOUR ENTIRE SAVINGS ON FAGGOT BTS TICKETS, NOW HOW WE GONNA EAT? type of conversations.

If you can't marry rich I recommend marrying someone with a defined benefit pension (ie. gov't job). I've been doing the math on retirement a bit more and by age 65 my wife and I will have $100k/yr of income till death (it'll be adjusted for inflation) just from her pension, our CPP, and our OAS. $100k/yr adjusted for inflation is plenty for us to live comfortably at that age. You just have to be able to tolerate all the bitching that goes on from having to work in the gov't.

whitev70r
04-24-2026, 10:08 AM
If you're in your mid 20's to early 30's ... what Baddyhobz means, I think, is to look for a girl who have wealthy parents and a big inheritance coming. No chic at 20-30 is that wealthy on her own unless she is an InFlueNceR ... but you want to stay the hell away from those.

If you can't marry rich I recommend marrying someone with a defined benefit pension (ie. gov't job). I've been doing the math on retirement a bit more and by age 65 my wife and I will have $100k/yr of income till death (it'll be adjusted for inflation) just from her pension, our CPP, and our OAS. $100k/yr adjusted for inflation is plenty for us to live comfortably at that age. You just have to be able to tolerate all the bitching that goes on from having to work in the gov't.

This would mean ... teacher, nurse, goverment job as mentioned, and Translink of course ... what else has that steady pension? Working for big companies that match RRSP contribution is also a good deal/retirement insurance.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 10:10 AM
It's easier said than done though. I've heard stories from friends where the girl's parents literally told them to their face "you're too poor to maintain her lifestyle" and that was that.

whitev70r
04-24-2026, 10:13 AM
Ever heard of Romeo and Juliet ... although that doesn't end well. :lol

Gotta find that rebellious daughter who is the black sheep and won't do what rich daddy/mommy says.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 10:16 AM
again.... needle in a haystack

bcrdukes
04-24-2026, 10:17 AM
Translink

Stop rage baiting me.

whitev70r
04-24-2026, 10:18 AM
again.... needle in a haystack

If the hunky baddyhobz can find that needle in a haystack, there is hope !!! :chairdance:

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 10:19 AM
Which is why I say he is our saviour. Save me Jebus! :pokerface:

6793026
04-24-2026, 10:24 AM
but seriously, my only true advice for you whipper snappers looking for a wife. Find a rich one.

yes yes hobz, easier said than done you retard.... fine. But for some reason, all the women ive ever dated had $$$. It really makes your life a lot easier when you dont have to worry about money or if the bitch is out to steal your shit.

Rich people are a bit more of a hassle to deal with, but you wont run into problems like OMG BITCH YOU SPENT YOUR ENTIRE SAVINGS ON FAGGOT BTS TICKETS, NOW HOW WE GONNA EAT? type of conversations.

Rich have their issues. They respect you less cause - meh.. i don't wed lock, i don't care abotu my job..
Now if you find one with a job + rich, that's great... then you realize their standard of life is also very high.
Few key quotes came to mind.

"why can't my friends eat out all the time" 24 year old wanting to eat at Le Crocodile / Catcus all the time.. back in 2017... I woudl only go out and do that maybe once a month.

"i didn't enjoy the job, it barely paid for my clothess" 24 year old safeway corp job - say $16 - 20 an hour and spends money on power suit, shoes etc... yeah.. her shoes were like $1200 Roger Vivier flats

"do you like my blinds" - of course they look nice.. you just spent 3k (someone's 2 months rent) on hunter douglas blinds in your $1M apartment back in 2014 when nurses were just barely making 60k starting wage..

ANyhoo... you're right.. poor rags might steal your stuff and or ask you to pay for their rent.. but when you're married, i think someone who had to work hard fo their shit- they respect you a bit more.

Badhobz
04-24-2026, 10:25 AM
if that ferrari chick at my gym wasnt MIA, i would have sent one of ya toys to go entertain her.

But ever since i refused to go to her house and let her feed me, she mucho mad. She also didn't appreciate the white girls at the gym also joining in on stuffing the fat fuck.... or it could be she got deported back to chinar by the secret CCP police for all the money laundering.

Caveat - you probably need to speakaaahhh deee guo yu in order to have a shot at these rich mainlander girls. Also helps to make up that your family is from uhhhh some reputable BIG city and not butt fuck farm ville. Anything that ends with a shan.... probably keep that to yourself. Just tell her you're Singaporean Chinese or something. if you are born here, DONT FUCKING SAY THAT. they think all the CBCs are poor ass retards.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 10:29 AM
that's why I am pre-emptively requesting a canto speaking one should things go south for me.

I cannot stand the guo yu :lol

Badhobz
04-24-2026, 10:33 AM
yeah those old HK money ones are hard to find nowadays... My wife has some rich bitch friends but they are all shacked up with demotivated husbands and or a crappy little offspring. The remaining single ones are so retarded that when they leaves the house, they better put on a helmet. I mean if you want one thats a total pork chop and wears a helmet, but has about 2 mill in the bank just sitting in chequing.... i got 2 of those in the barn.

bcrdukes
04-24-2026, 10:39 AM
that's why I am pre-emptively requesting a canto speaking one should things go south for me.

I cannot stand the guo yu :lol

I've set my own personal boundaries and Mandarin-speaking is a line I won't cross.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 10:40 AM
eww no pork chops, would rather be single

Badhobz
04-24-2026, 10:43 AM
but 2 mill you can do a lot!!!!

like take her to korea and get her kpop bitch face #2 and tada, much better!
also she's never dated before so she's innocent to the world of men. my wife says shes a very guai guai girl. Her parents are old as shit, she has a sister that has a kid, but shes like the ugly duckling.

Traum
04-24-2026, 11:13 AM
yeah those old HK money ones are hard to find nowadays... My wife has some rich bitch friends but they are all shacked up with demotivated husbands and or a crappy little offspring. The remaining single ones are so retarded that when they leaves the house, they better put on a helmet. I mean if you want one thats a total pork chop and wears a helmet, but has about 2 mill in the bank just sitting in chequing.... i got 2 of those in the barn.

but 2 mill you can do a lot!!!!

like take her to korea and get her kpop bitch face #2 and tada, much better!
also she's never dated before so she's innocent to the world of men. my wife says shes a very guai guai girl. Her parents are old as shit, she has a sister that has a kid, but shes like the ugly duckling.
No need to say more. Just set me up with this guai guai chick ASAP!

Nevermind the fact that I am already married -- I am married, but I am MBA -- married but available! It makes as much sense as Danielle Smith saying that sovereign Alberta within a united Canada BS...
:badpokerface:

bcrdukes
04-24-2026, 11:14 AM
Who here also is MBA? :troll:

teggy604
04-24-2026, 11:22 AM
that might be a white guy problem... all the old chinese men ive seen barely wanna talk to their wives, let alone fuck them. FeelsBadMan

When shes dead, ill go in a huge hoe binder.

Thats why they go back to China. lol


"Business trip"

roastpuff
04-24-2026, 11:28 AM
This would mean ... teacher, nurse, goverment job as mentioned, and Translink of course ... what else has that steady pension? Working for big companies that match RRSP contribution is also a good deal/retirement insurance.

Municipal (cities) is also pensionable :concentrate:

HonestTea
04-24-2026, 11:29 AM
if that ferrari chick at my gym wasnt MIA, i would have sent one of ya toys to go entertain her.

But ever since i refused to go to her house and let her feed me, she mucho mad. She also didn't appreciate the white girls at the gym also joining in on stuffing the fat fuck.... or it could be she got deported back to chinar by the secret CCP police for all the money laundering.

Caveat - you probably need to speakaaahhh deee guo yu in order to have a shot at these rich mainlander girls. Also helps to make up that your family is from uhhhh some reputable BIG city and not butt fuck farm ville. Anything that ends with a shan.... probably keep that to yourself. Just tell her you're Singaporean Chinese or something. if you are born here, DONT FUCKING SAY THAT. they think all the CBCs are poor ass retards.

LOL this is so true.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 11:48 AM
but 2 mill you can do a lot!!!!

like take her to korea and get her kpop bitch face #2 and tada, much better!
also she's never dated before so she's innocent to the world of men. my wife says shes a very guai guai girl. Her parents are old as shit, she has a sister that has a kid, but shes like the ugly duckling.

if she's ugly duckling this late in the game, she's just ugly lol.

problem is at some point she's gonna want... affection. and it would be extremely difficult for me to not recoil in disgust.

CivicBlues
04-24-2026, 01:10 PM
I've got nothing to add to this but where did all the scrawny Honger chicks with the weird pixie cuts in pink and flourescent dyes from my adolescence go?

Did they all age out and become c-lai moms or did they all go back to the homeland after they got bored of living here?

smoothie.
04-24-2026, 01:15 PM
hey..

Costco meet?

We could gangbang the lineups for food samples and eat dogs (hot)

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 01:23 PM
hey..

Costco meet?

We could gangbang the lineups for food samples and eat dogs (hot)

you trying to find someone to date in this thread...?

Akinari
04-24-2026, 01:35 PM
one of my girl friends got pissed off seeing this reply pop up on my phone, took my phone replied, and then i got unmatched LOOOOOOOOOL

the girlies really keeping me single its wild - but also imagine thinking imma take you to Korea.. off one comment dumb bitch

https://i.imgur.com/1Ug8FUK.png
Should've asked her if they sell pies.

"Do they sell pies too? I love pies. My favourite kind is creampie."

I used to be full hamsuplo when I was on tinder/dating apps a decade ago. You'd be surprised at how receptive most girls were to perv jokes. Not sure about now though :lawl:

I used to ask chicks what their fave nug sauce was and the amount of "cum" or "sperm" responses I'd get was wild.

spoon.ek9
04-24-2026, 01:41 PM
My friend who teaches secondary school says gen z is extremely conservative when it comes to sexuality. they don't drink, don't smoke, don't even talk about ham sup things. he compares them to victorian era people who used to shun people for even showing their legs and whatnot lol. Not sure how true it is but I trust his observations.

Akinari
04-24-2026, 01:42 PM
Yeah my wife's little brother is full on Gen Z chiikawa worshipping femboy and his ex had a smashingly hot bod but they never had sex. What a waste.

I should mention from what I've seen, depends on whether they're fobs or whitewashed. Huge difference. The fob gen Z still seem interested in that shit.

GS8
04-24-2026, 01:43 PM
Oh she will long outlive you with all that pent-up tension you'll be carrying the next 30 years lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqxe3bHQ3UE

RabidRat
04-24-2026, 01:57 PM
but seriously, my only true advice for you whipper snappers looking for a wife. Find a rich one.

yes yes hobz, easier said than done you retard.... fine. But for some reason, all the women ive ever dated had $$$. It really makes your life a lot easier when you dont have to worry about money or if the bitch is out to steal your shit.

Rich people are a bit more of a hassle to deal with, but you wont run into problems like OMG BITCH YOU SPENT YOUR ENTIRE SAVINGS ON FAGGOT BTS TICKETS, NOW HOW WE GONNA EAT? type of conversations.

100%.

Not that my wife is rich, but she holds her own.

She spends hundreds on BTS tickets etc and I don't have to give a damn because that's not anything that'll affect me lol.

yray
04-24-2026, 02:16 PM
don't even talk about ham sup things

not hamsup to them because its normal to them, those tiktoks are fucked :concentrate:

smoothie.
04-24-2026, 02:46 PM
you trying to find someone to date in this thread...?

I mean, I could use a sugar daddy.

roastpuff
04-24-2026, 02:51 PM
hey..

Costco meet?

We could gangbang the lineups for food samples and eat dogs (hot)

you trying to find someone to date in this thread...?

Costco sample auntie...?

CivicBlues
04-24-2026, 02:54 PM
The generation that has probably the biggest presence on OnlyFans are somehow Victorian prudes?

I call bullshit. Go to any beach/lake in the summer, every woman under 30 has their ass cheeks hanging out.

They're not fucking because they're socially awkward goobers, doesn't make them prudes.

Tapioca
04-24-2026, 03:38 PM
We all know the adventures of badhobz and mike, but how many other (boomer) millennials are getting more attention from random women these days?

I think a lot of you guys spent too much time chasing ABGs and other women who fit a certain aesthetic/status chasers over the many other women who have crossed your paths.

The bar for men is pretty low these days.

yray
04-24-2026, 06:29 PM
we have become the benz guy in initial d

Badhobz
04-24-2026, 07:42 PM
there's a benz guy in inital d?

red kryptonite
04-24-2026, 07:45 PM
The generation that has probably the biggest presence on OnlyFans are somehow Victorian prudes?

I call bullshit. Go to any beach/lake in the summer, every woman under 30 has their ass cheeks hanging out.

guys are not fucking because they're socially awkward goobers, doesn't make them prudes.

fixed... im sure chicks are still getting railed on the regular

We all know the adventures of badhobz and mike, but how many other (boomer) millennials are getting more attention from random women these days?


not from random women.... but im still capable of sparking up a conversation with a gym baddie and making enough of an impression that theyÂ’ll initiate the next time we meet... if that counts... ya i think it counts. haha oh and little harmless back and forth flirting with waitresses... but those dont count.

red kryptonite
04-24-2026, 07:47 PM
there's a benz guy in inital d?

sugardaddy 甜爸爸

https://cjh2.autoimg.cn/cjh2.autoimg.cn/youchuang/g24/M08/68/F0/630x0_q100_autohomecar__ChcCL1qYr1GAGCfAAAHI8xS0Kq Q917.png?x_image_process=text/546p6L2m5pS755Wl/fontSize/12

TOS'd
04-24-2026, 09:21 PM
Whats everyones thoughts on prenups/marriage contracts/postnups/parental contracts?

And some of these rich spoiled people (usually only children) have zero sense of money value and are so disconnected from the real world. I constantly find myself rolling my eyes just listening to them speak.

Manic!
04-24-2026, 09:29 PM
The generation that has probably the biggest presence on OnlyFans are somehow Victorian prudes?

I call bullshit. Go to any beach/lake in the summer, every woman under 30 has their ass cheeks hanging out.

They're not fucking because they're socially awkward goobers, doesn't make them prudes.

Why look for a girlfriend when you can goon all day?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYwl2P2ol4c

SSM_DC5
04-24-2026, 09:29 PM
Whats everyones thoughts on prenups/marriage contracts/postnups/parental contracts?

And some of these rich spoiled people (usually only children) have zero sense of money value and are so disconnected from the real world. I constantly find myself rolling my eyes just listening to them speak.

Some people be dense! Story from an accountant friend.
He was tasked to talk to the dense wife-to-be after having multiple prior meetings to sign the prenup. Asking questions like why do I need to sign this?!? Does he have money or something?!? If the girl would just google the guys name, it would be clear to her how much money she's marrying into, but my friend can't tell her "google him you idiot"

donk.
04-24-2026, 09:32 PM
We all know the adventures of badhobz and mike, but how many other (boomer) millennials are getting more attention from random women these days?

I think a lot of you guys spent too much time chasing ABGs and other women who fit a certain aesthetic/status chasers over the many other women who have crossed your paths.

The bar for men is pretty low these days.

Im more likely to get hit by a bus than that happening

donk.
04-24-2026, 09:34 PM
The generation that has probably the biggest presence on OnlyFans are somehow Victorian prudes?

I call bullshit. Go to any beach/lake in the summer, every woman under 30 has their ass cheeks hanging out.

They're not fucking because they're socially awkward goobers, doesn't make them prudes.

fixed... im sure chicks are still getting railed on the regular



not from random women.... but im still capable of sparking up a conversation with a gym baddie and making enough of an impression that theyÂ’ll initiate the next time we meet... if that counts... ya i think it counts. haha oh and little harmless back and forth flirting with waitresses... but those dont count.

Thats because they can smell the fact that you are taken (your taken right?), and women love a man thats taken

CivicBlues
04-24-2026, 09:40 PM
ABGs are still a thing? I haven't seen one in the wild since 2009

donk.
04-24-2026, 09:42 PM
Whats everyones thoughts on prenups/marriage contracts/postnups/parental contracts?

And some of these rich spoiled people (usually only children) have zero sense of money value and are so disconnected from the real world. I constantly find myself rolling my eyes just listening to them speak.

I believe it should be government mandatory for all couples.
You both agree to X, something bad happens > no one wastes 2-50k on lawyers, and no one gets their feelings hurt.

I got one for myself and the gf once we moved in. Wanted to get it "out of the way" right away. Took alot of stress off my back.

Do they work? Thats a different story, ive heard multiple opinions on the topic, too many variables.

What i do know, is how many people have been financially raped without one. Some of the stories i have heard, made me sick, like disgusting behavior sick, and im not grossed out by much. Dont know the story from the womans end, so its hard to say who is in the wrong, if applicable.

I only know one other person my age, that has gotten a prenup with his gf prior to moving in as well.

Most other male friends are in the "whatever" category of not getting one. Or they are afraid to even open that door with the gf. Ive heard of women doing a 180 once the guy says "prenup".
Personally if they did a 180, theres your answer.

Lastly, you guys will get a kick out of this one, a friend from elementary school:
Dating same chick for 15 years, cheated on her once early on.
On / off for middle 5 years dating each other.
She still doesn't trust him, last year, she said she wanted a prenup stating:
If he cheats again, she gets EVERYTHING he has.

My jaw hit the floor

Akinari
04-24-2026, 09:56 PM
ABGs are still a thing? I haven't seen one in the wild since 2009
Very much so. All millenials too.

CivicBlues
04-24-2026, 10:30 PM
Aren't many pre-nups unenforceable if you have a good enough lawyer? That is, if you're rich enough for one to matter, it'll probably be ironclad. But for regular schmoes? good luck hope she doesn't get pissed at you.

smoothie.
04-24-2026, 11:11 PM
I cannot keep pussy off of me

The orange fluffball loves to bite me

BIC_BAWS
04-25-2026, 10:07 AM
ABGs are still a thing? I haven't seen one in the wild since 2009

The gentrified watered down version, yes.

You guys had the best ABGs / nammer girls.. I'm jealous

Badhobz
04-25-2026, 08:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_vdUtPggL8

well there you go, 21x a month and you'll lower prostate cancer and increase testosterone

RabidRat
04-26-2026, 03:25 AM
Given the medical necessity, they really should let us expense stuff to our HSAs.

spoon.ek9
04-26-2026, 06:57 AM
[SPOILER]



Thats because they can smell the fact that you are taken (your taken right?), and women love a man thats taken

this is true but also in a messed up way. if they find out you're taken and you aren't particularly attractive or smooth they'll wonder why. that's when they start looking for signs of wealth because well... that's #1 reason they will jump to. baseline thought is "I wonder what it was about this guy that made the girl choose him" which is what generates their interest in you.

teggy604
04-26-2026, 09:24 AM
Could also be that the women thinks he is less likely to cheat, compared to if she was dating an attractive man.

mikemhg
04-26-2026, 10:53 AM
Hobz wanted to see the new doggo, Mona, the little scruffy Persian princess:

https://i.ibb.co/YBr636QC/672352855-18598240105025811-3727588441212998748-n.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/DfG2KC28/IMG-9642.jpg

Fuck I'm bagged. Four dates in the last week, another one today with a single friend I knew from as while ago, we're walking our dogs at Iona.

I agreed months ago to do this designated driver service with a cop buddy of mine once or twice a week on a Friday or Saturday night to keep myself distracted. It's been interesting and easy side cash, but now I regret agreeing to it, dates, plus job, plus side gig, and regular life is getting to be too much.

I'm finding it challenging to fit in second dates, you go on the first one, they want to go on another one ASAP, it's taxing on the social battery, not only that, it adds up financially.

I had a moment of reverse sugar baby, a gal has tickets to the Chris Brown/Usher concert in Miami and offered to take me, which I found a little audacious on her part, considering that's not until December too, you're real confident this will last until then :lol

I've decided to stop accepting likes or sending any on the damn app, going to just continue chatting/meeting the ones I've distilled down thus far.

You older guys -- stay married :lol This dating stuff is way different in your mid 30s or 40s, the small talk is redundant and not exciting, you also become atrophied to choice at an older age, and more skeptical of people.

supafamous
04-26-2026, 11:25 AM
I'm finding it challenging to fit in second dates, you go on the first one, they want to go on another one ASAP

Look at this guy humble bragging about the interest level he's generating! These girls be getting the nice underwear ready for the 2nd date already. Leave some of these girls for us man, at least toss a few of the 7s over - we can e-transfer you some funds in exchange. :woot2:

it's taxing on the social battery, not only that, it adds up financially.


Dating so much you can't even afford shirts anymore!

SSM_DC5
04-26-2026, 11:34 AM
He doesn't own any shirts. What you see is all he's got, but it's more than enough for the ladies (to share? Dude has so many side chicks I can't keep up) :fuckyea:

spoon.ek9
04-26-2026, 12:11 PM
Mike is getting the kind of attention I saw in HK and then some :lol

It truly is exhausting dealing with apps but like I told Mike, the amount of interest he's getting is not the norm for vast majority of guys here. I specifically remember my friend telling me about her brother getting literally zero matches on apps.

roastpuff
04-26-2026, 03:40 PM
I just want more pics of Mona, she's a cutie!

GS8
04-26-2026, 07:06 PM
I agreed months ago to do this designated driver service with a cop buddy of mine once or twice a week on a Friday or Saturday night to keep myself distracted. It's been interesting and easy side cash, but now I regret agreeing to it, dates, plus job, plus side gig, and regular life is getting to be too much.

Man, I am looking for a weekend only side job for the summer. They still looking for drivers or anything related?

Granted, I'm not refrigerator shaped, more tripod shaped, but I support designated drivers.

BIC_BAWS
04-26-2026, 10:40 PM
I specifically remember my friend telling me about her brother getting literally zero matches on apps.

Pretty much me in Vancouver LOL.

But I also don't use it as much anymore. Open to swipe a few times maybe once every 3 weeks?

red kryptonite
04-26-2026, 11:20 PM
[SPOILER]



Thats because they can smell the fact that you are taken (your taken right?), and women love a man thats taken

alright, tip for ya'll single guys: wear a wedding ring to the bar and see how you do.


Mike is getting the kind of attention I saw in HK and then some :lol


man, the gf was with me the entire time i was in china/hk.
dropped all that weight for nothing :facepalm: jk

Badhobz
04-27-2026, 06:44 AM
You older guys -- stay married :lol This dating stuff is way different in your mid 30s or 40s, the small talk is redundant and not exciting, you also become atrophied to choice at an older age, and more skeptical of people.

FUZZY !!!! i miss my fuzzies. Doggies are the best! people are trash.

Youre damn right about that Mikey. The older i get the less i wanna talk to these hoes. The less i wanna talk to these hoes, the more interested they seem in talking to me for some reason. Life works in mysterious ways.

As ive stated numerous times before. if i was single id never date again. Talking with these dumb cunts about their horseshit lives is a war crime to me. Its Geneva convention breaking torture. OMG, YOU LIKE HANDBAGS AND DESIGNER SHIT!? BUT YOURE BROKE AND RENT WITH 4 ROOMMATES!?!??! DO TELL ME MOAR!!!!

I much rather pay numerous prostitutes and then die from syphilis afterwards. great way to go!!

BIC_BAWS
04-27-2026, 07:25 AM
The less i wanna talk to these hoes, the more interested they seem in talking to me for some reason. Life works in mysterious ways.

This actually makes sense tho. Hoes are used to having all men follow them around / chase them, ranging from a bunch of hot guys to anyone they consider "lower" than them. So by not giving them attention, it piques their interest as they're wondering what you got going on that doesn't make you want to talk to them.

68style
04-27-2026, 07:34 AM
Go start ignoring every girl you meet, I’ll see you alone at the lansdowne food court playing Keno in 20 years hahaha

What they’re really attracted to is Hobz’s idgaf attitude which means they can smell the money and not the reek of desperation and barely hanging on most guys are giving off lol

Badhobz
04-27-2026, 07:38 AM
sounds wonderful! lets start a old man's group!

BIC_BAWS
04-27-2026, 07:39 AM
I'm finding it challenging to fit in second dates, you go on the first one, they want to go on another one ASAP, it's taxing on the social battery, not only that, it adds up financially.

This is kind of what I'm experiencing too.. cause I don't actually want to hang out with anyone that much LOL. I find it taxing to have to look at my calendar, figure out a time, figure out date plans.. man its so much work LOL.

That said, Date #3 - went for a walk around Steveston, checked out some boutiques, had some Timothy's, grabbed dinner. $20/pp. Solid.

I am however encountering a problem.. well good problem to have I guess. I can tell that she likes me a lot, which I'm learning that it's making me avoidant on this. It's not that I don't like her, but I think it's moving a little too quickly in the feelings/attachment department and that's concerning. Reminds me of an ex and that was a disconnect of push/pull dynamics - she always felt like I didn't like her as much as she liked me.

I'm having a difficult time deciding if I should be a responsible mature adult (probably this), communicate that it's moving a little fast for me and leave the ball in her court or leaving it until she brings it up and it's a "fight" LOL

68style
04-27-2026, 07:41 AM
Why is this even a question? If you don’t like her dump her. You said you did but you clearly don’t form the other comments, at least not as more than a friend.

If you ain’t got butterflies and eagerness first 3 dates it’s not going to grow into that over years. Why are you literally trying to plan out the timing of your first fight? That’s ridiculous.

bcrdukes
04-27-2026, 07:47 AM
Reminds me of an ex and that was a disconnect of push/pull dynamics - she always felt like I didn't like her as much as she liked me.

I'm having a difficult time deciding if I should be a responsible mature adult (probably this), communicate that it's moving a little fast for me and leave the ball in her court or leaving it until she brings it up and it's a "fight" LOL

You may need to build a decision tree and a dashboard with real-time KPIs.

Badhobz
04-27-2026, 08:06 AM
keep going bro!!! maybe she's good in bed? dump her afterwards okay?

spoon.ek9
04-27-2026, 08:11 AM
ok, I'll share this story.

I was part of a new group of friends (sports related) and developed interest in one of the girls. Made it super obvious I was interested, kept getting the cold shoulder. Eventually, something benign happened and this girl actually pulled me aside one day to demand an apology from me. For the sake of the group and being the bigger person, I did. However, I decided in that exact moment I now have zero interest in her. One of my friends from the group (female) unbeknownst to me, eventually told her I've moved on. This drove her crazy and almost instantly she tried her hardest to get my attention. Why? Because a girl like her doesn't often hear that she can't have what she wants.

We had a cabin trip planned for Whistler and this had been discussed long before this incident. I knew we would end up being alone a lot because neither of us had much interest in skiing/snowboarding. Last minute, I bailed on the trip because I legit wanted nothing to do with that situation. She had a terrible time from what I was told lol. This in itself is another good story.

Fast forward a few months and we were supposed to go clubbing with the group. I bail again. Fast forward to her birthday dinner, I show up but bail on the idea of spending time afterwards to do board games or whatever it was. Pretty funny dinner as one of the girls' bf at the time completely ruined the dinner by suggesting she eats like a dog with all the things she had ordered that night. Gold.

Now, this whole time we're still playing sports together with the group on a weekly basis. There was one particular night where, in full makeup, she walked straight up to me extra close to say hi. I thought this was peculiar but said hi and thought nothing more of it. Also, because I had moved on, I would occasionally have new dates come and watch me as I played with the group. This of course drove her crazy too. One time, I offered my jacket to one of the girls because it was cold and we were playing outdoors. This also drove her mad. Another time, one of the girls I was seeing started playing with us and when they were introduced to each other it was the coldest, funniest hand shake I've ever seen in my life.

Ok, old news now but fast forward about a year later. I'm having drinks at a friend's house, that girl isn't there. Guy friend accidently shares that "yeah, she got super drunk that night we were supposed to go clubbing and randomly blurted out: WHY DOESN'T (SPOON) WANT ME ANYMORE?!?" and my eyes just bulged because from what I knew, she wasn't interested at all. So I was like WHAT? And he sheepishly says "Oh... I thought we told you" :lol That's when I learned about all this background info I shared above. I laughed my ass off about it because I was starting to put the pieces together with how she actually felt.

Fast forward even further and another female friend tells me even more about the situation. As it turns out, in the very beginning, this girl was going around telling her friends that this guy is totally in love with me and she's got me wrapped around her finger etc. To which I was again surprised to learn about her behaviour.

To summarize, rather than be honest and actually have a chance at a new relationship this girl instead gossiped to her friends about my interest, gave me the cold shoulder throughout me courting her, was told I'm no longer interested, lost her damn mind, tried to get my attention after the fact, got mad that I moved on, got mad that I was bringing new girls around.

So yes, ignoring girls does often make them interested in you. However, it's usually the type of girl you shouldn't keep around anyways. Having confidence to ignore a girl to a certain degree can be helpful though because it shows you aren't concerned if things go south with her.

Badhobz
04-27-2026, 08:14 AM
WHY DOESNT SPOON WANNA SPOON ME ANYMORE!?!??!

Gold!!! i love it.

BIC_BAWS
04-27-2026, 08:15 AM
If you ain’t got butterflies and eagerness first 3 dates it’s not going to grow into that over years.

I wasn't sure if this is what a "securely attached" relationship should feel like - never been in a "normal" relationship, I've only seen (and like LUL) toxic - high energy, high tension, etc.

was told I'm no longer interested, lost her damn mind, tried to get my attention after the fact, got mad that I moved on, got mad that I was bringing new girls around.

So yes, ignoring girls does often make them interested in you. However, it's usually the type of girl you shouldn't keep around anyways. Having confidence to ignore a girl to a certain degree can be helpful though because it shows you aren't concerned if things go south with her.

Like this for example.. I love this dynamic LUUUUUL.. im definitely the problem

If you ain’t got butterflies and eagerness first 3 dates it’s not going to grow into that over years.

Anyway, I think endearment or attraction does grow.. or maybe I'm just doing whatever I need to do to get my dick wet, as that's what happened in a past relationship. I just don't want to make someone feel like they're not enough (or not attractive enough), which is what happened with an ex.

Tho I guess maturing is knowing that breaking it off or communicating my concerns, is better than letting her develop stronger feelings for me and always feeling anxious about my feelings towards her.

keep going bro!!! maybe she's good in bed? dump her afterwards okay?

Haven't got to this part and I kinda don't want to find out.. and then break her heart.

unit
04-27-2026, 08:16 AM
That said, Date #3 - went for a walk around Steveston, checked out some boutiques, had some Timothy's, grabbed dinner. $20/pp. Solid.

took me a while to realize you werent just trying to class up tim hortons

Mikoyan
04-27-2026, 08:21 AM
sounds wonderful! lets start a old man's group!

Wait. Isn't this what RS is now?

mikemhg
04-27-2026, 08:28 AM
Man, I am looking for a weekend only side job for the summer. They still looking for drivers or anything related?

Granted, I'm not refrigerator shaped, more tripod shaped, but I support designated drivers.

PM me. It's in Vancouver region only though, aren't you in AB?

BIC_BAWS
04-27-2026, 08:29 AM
took me a while to realize you werent just trying to class up tim hortons

Me liking to do low-effort date activities as a "win" but also it's kinda feeling like friend dates.. but I have more fun with my (female) friends in terms of vibes.

EvoFire
04-27-2026, 08:36 AM
This actually makes sense tho. Hoes are used to having all men follow them around / chase them, ranging from a bunch of hot guys to anyone they consider "lower" than them. So by not giving them attention, it piques their interest as they're wondering what you got going on that doesn't make you want to talk to them.

This energy has always been what works.

Back in university, my age cohort would go clubbing (not really a thing with the current crop it seems). Anyways, was told to go grind girls and all that which I did for one night and honestly did not enjoy it and I don't think anyone did.

Subsequently I went with a mindset of just hanging out. A few guys hanging out, being dumb trying to act like we know how to breakdance but realistically making a damn fool out of ourselves and just having a great laugh at each other's expense. That's when the girls kind of circle around and now were interested, and some of us got drinks as well.

What guys go clubbing and get reverse treated drinks? :pokerface:

donk.
04-27-2026, 08:39 AM
Why is this even a question? If you don’t like her dump her. You said you did but you clearly don’t form the other comments, at least not as more than a friend.

If you ain’t got butterflies and eagerness first 3 dates it’s not going to grow into that over years. Why are you literally trying to plan out the timing of your first fight? That’s ridiculous.

A hole is a hole.

BIC_BAWS
04-27-2026, 08:41 AM
Subsequently I went with a mindset of just hanging out. A few guys hanging out, being dumb trying to act like we know how to breakdance but realistically making a damn fool out of ourselves and just having a great laugh at each other's expense. That's when the girls kind of circle around and now were interested, and some of us got drinks as well.

What guys go clubbing and get reverse treated drinks? :pokerface:

Yeah I was at a karaoke event not too long ago and I was jamming out, having a good time, not really focused on any of the girls in the room. Then one of the hot girls in the room started getting really touchy with me and wanting me to sing with her. Grew the balls to ask for her number, but it hasn't really gone anywhere since rip gg go next.

mikemhg
04-27-2026, 08:43 AM
This is kind of what I'm experiencing too.. cause I don't actually want to hang out with anyone that much LOL. I find it taxing to have to look at my calendar, figure out a time, figure out date plans.. man its so much work LOL.

That said, Date #3 - went for a walk around Steveston, checked out some boutiques, had some Timothy's, grabbed dinner. $20/pp. Solid.

I am however encountering a problem.. well good problem to have I guess. I can tell that she likes me a lot, which I'm learning that it's making me avoidant on this. It's not that I don't like her, but I think it's moving a little too quickly in the feelings/attachment department and that's concerning. Reminds me of an ex and that was a disconnect of push/pull dynamics - she always felt like I didn't like her as much as she liked me.

I'm having a difficult time deciding if I should be a responsible mature adult (probably this), communicate that it's moving a little fast for me and leave the ball in her court or leaving it until she brings it up and it's a "fight" LOL

Isn't it annoying? I need my space and alone time, the back to backs is draining. I was talking to one I like and offered a second date for this weekend and she goes "why do we have to wait until the weekend?", I'm thinking to myself because I got x and y Mon-Fri, what's the bloody rush?

How do you keep doing these cheap charlie dates? Do you give them a hard end time? The last few ones I've been on we ended up shutting the place down until 12AM or 2AM, so an easy $200 bill on drinks.

Badhobz
04-27-2026, 08:48 AM
Haven't got to this part and I kinda don't want to find out.. and then break her heart.

fag!

mikemhg
04-27-2026, 08:53 AM
fag!

He's being a good guy, props to him.

I've declined going back up to a girl's place the last few dates for the same reason.

I know where that will go and I'm not mentally ready for pound town too quickly, I'm way too much of a flight risk with trust issues from the ex.

Hooking up usually ends up making someone get attached, and if you're not emotionally available it'll just cause hurt to the other person, which ultimately isn't fair.

Good for you, BIC, don't fall for the toxic masculinity crap :)

Badhobz
04-27-2026, 08:56 AM
Mikey youre different and at a different stage in life.

The boy is 20 years old. you should encourage him to get his pee pee wet as often as possible. All this emo shit, he can save when he's older like us. When the world beats him down some more and becomes a shell of his former self.

When youre in your 20's go to pound town everyday!!!

p.s. i think the problem is he's around us geezers all the time and its made him wayyy too old before his time. He talks, thinks, acts like a 40 year old. go do some crazy shit and fuck up your life. Otherwise regret will set in when youre older and you'll have a MASSIVE. BIBLICAL. mid life crisis.

BIC_BAWS
04-27-2026, 09:08 AM
Hooking up usually ends up making someone get attached, and if you're not emotionally available it'll just cause hurt to the other person, which ultimately isn't fair.

Good for you, BIC, don't fall for the toxic masculinity crap :)

And lowkey I haven't initiated that much physical into it, cause I know it's gonna get a whole lotta complicated if I start thinking with my dick lmao

and she's probably gonna get way more attached... she's already pretty damn well attached.

Giving me a bit of mom/caring vibes where she likes to take care of me.. which is a pretty good indicator of how much a girl is infatuated with you. But taking my Asia experiences and some experiences here into account, I think I need a woman who's in-tune with her feminine side and leans into that. I don't mind taking care of someone, I quite like it. I have a problem with it when they feel entitled to it.

p.s. i think the problem is he's around us geezers all the time and its made him wayyy too old before his time. He talks, thinks, acts like a 40 year old. go do some crazy shit and fuck up your life. Otherwise regret will set in when youre older and you'll have a MASSIVE. BIBLICAL. mid life crisis.

And then this is the other part of the equation lmao. I should just do whatever and be like Gerbs.

Or I mean.. I could at least try to get shredded like Gerbs and see where I land with women too.

spoon.ek9
04-27-2026, 09:34 AM
Speaking from my personal experience, I have always been the one to say no when it comes to "pound town" if I knew I didn't have any interest in the girl. If you're both in it just for a fling with both parties aware, go for it. If it's someone who has legit interest in you, I just can't. I'd feel like such an asshole afterwards. Obviously my guy friends always, always tell me who cares just get your dick wet but I ain't like that. You don't have to be either if you don't want to.

Badhobz
04-27-2026, 09:40 AM
you boys have disappointed me completely.

i say good day to you Sirs!

I SAY GOOD DAY!

spoon.ek9
04-27-2026, 09:41 AM
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Infiniti
04-27-2026, 10:04 AM
He's being a good guy, props to him.

I've declined going back up to a girl's place the last few dates for the same reason.

I know where that will go and I'm not mentally ready for pound town too quickly, I'm way too much of a flight risk with trust issues from the ex.

Hooking up usually ends up making someone get attached, and if you're not emotionally available it'll just cause hurt to the other person, which ultimately isn't fair.

Good for you, BIC, don't fall for the toxic masculinity crap :)

Not sure I've ever witnessed this level of maturity on Revscene in all my years frequenting these website.

bcrdukes
04-27-2026, 10:05 AM
This is why the userbase is on the decline :troll:

EvoFire
04-27-2026, 10:32 AM
Maturity == boring. Boring == disengaged userbase

Checks out.

bcrdukes
04-27-2026, 10:33 AM
Did you mean checks out at Costco aka Badhobz's normal day? :troll:

spoon.ek9
04-27-2026, 10:35 AM
hobz is more interested in acquiring costco weiners than tired, old umm.. ladies

Traum
04-27-2026, 11:10 AM
Man, I am looking for a weekend only side job for the summer. They still looking for drivers or anything related?

Granted, I'm not refrigerator shaped, more tripod shaped, but I support designated drivers.
No idea if this is the thing that mike signed up for, but this is what some quick googling turned up:

https://myddride.com/careers/

It seems like you need a team of 2 in order to get hired, and that makes it a little difficult to do (for me, at least).

6793026
04-27-2026, 11:37 AM
Speaking from my personal experience, I have always been the one to say no when it comes to "pound town" if I knew I didn't have any interest in the girl. If you're both in it just for a fling with both parties aware, go for it. If it's someone who has legit interest in you, I just can't. I'd feel like such an asshole afterwards. Obviously my guy friends always, always tell me who cares just get your dick wet but I ain't like that. You don't have to be either if you don't want to.

100% There is friends with benefits and then there are the type that you're trying to take advantage of and it just ain't right. Some where down the line it just doesn't work out. One side either get jealous or one side just keeps on 'waiting'. I have been on both ends and being the guy who waits is never fun so i swear I won't do the same if the girl is on the receiving end.

GLOW
04-27-2026, 01:22 PM
you also hear stories of consent later 'withdrawn' due to regret/revenge that can destroy your life. i remember a guy i knew in HS 'used' a girl that really liked him (and later essentially admitted he used her to her/her friends), later he was told she got pregnant (never knew if it was true) and he basically got physically threatened/extorted $ to 'deal with it'. sort of messed up his friendships/life for several years after. was he an asshole for it, yep, were those girls ruthless or just in exacting revenge / trying to ruin him after, i guess depends who you ask.

FYI it happened after HS, they were adults, i just remember the guy from HS

Badhobz
04-27-2026, 01:51 PM
This is why anal is great! do more anal boys !

donk.
04-27-2026, 02:59 PM
Someone change Badhobz name to Fudgepacker

donk.
04-27-2026, 03:06 PM
This energy has always been what works.

Back in university, my age cohort would go clubbing (not really a thing with the current crop it seems). Anyways, was told to go grind girls and all that which I did for one night and honestly did not enjoy it and I don't think anyone did.

Subsequently I went with a mindset of just hanging out. A few guys hanging out, being dumb trying to act like we know how to breakdance but realistically making a damn fool out of ourselves and just having a great laugh at each other's expense. That's when the girls kind of circle around and now were interested, and some of us got drinks as well.

What guys go clubbing and get reverse treated drinks? :pokerface:

Clubbing is still around, probably just "less" since covid

Women love guys that dance, if your at a bar, club, whatever, woman have 2 options:
-the dude in the corner staring, drinking his beer
-the guy on the dance floor not giving a shit what others think

Guy #2 will get 20X more opportunity than dude standing in a corner

spoon.ek9
04-27-2026, 03:35 PM
I am 100% the guy who stands around with his drink. But also, I never did any clubbing in my 20's at all. Figured I wasn't missing out on anything and I was right :lol

Badhobz
04-27-2026, 03:44 PM
Clubbing is still around, probably just "less" since covid

Women love guys that dance, if your at a bar, club, whatever, woman have 2 options:
-the dude in the corner staring, drinking his beer
-the guy on the dance floor not giving a shit what others think

Guy #2 will get 20X more opportunity than dude standing in a corner

yah yah yah, what do you know about this NERD?

68style
04-27-2026, 04:31 PM
Donk still has time to post here with all the time he’s spending reading Corvette geezer forums trying figure out why his oil is going spew spew on the race tracks?

donk.
04-27-2026, 04:58 PM
yah yah yah, what do you know about this NERD?

I was the guy, in the middle of the dancefloor, doing windmills, coffee grinder, prisyadka, etc
dont suggest windmills, got a dislocated first rib from that one eventually

Next mornings were usually rough, thighs were done for.

Did get some azn screamers from it tho 10/10

This was like a decade ago, met on the dancefloor:
This one chick had 0 shame, she was hot, but absolute 0 morals.
I went to her place once, she wanted to fuck, but her dad, brother, and grandma were home.
The above would be fine if it was in like a multistory house, but they all packed into a basement suite.
So we started bangin, and shes screamin, i tell her to shut the fuck up, but she just asked me to slap her harder.
Anyways, after the fun was over, i ask her why she is so loud when her grandma is on the other side of the door so to speak.
Her reply?: well my dad has her new mistress over usually, and i hear them getting it on, so its nothing unusual around here.

Man......... Ive never met someone (or a family) that fucks at "normal" volume, when everyone is home, that was the only one.
Massive turn off, she was hot too and we got along well otherwise.

We went to white pine mid winter a few days later at midnight, (no one there) went on the fishing bridge, ended up going at it again, i swear the residence at Bedwell rd probably heard her. 10/10

The pint public house: near cracktown was always a riot. 2 dance floors, endless options, bring a few friends and it usually ended up being a solid night.

donk.
04-27-2026, 05:01 PM
Donk still has time to post here with all the time he’s spending reading Corvette geezer forums trying figure out why his oil is going spew spew on the race tracks?

Ive burned another 850$ on a catch can set up, thank you very much.
Dont worry, il post back after i put a hole in the block

donk.
04-27-2026, 05:03 PM
I am 100% the guy who stands around with his drink. But also, I never did any clubbing in my 20's at all. Figured I wasn't missing out on anything and I was right :lol

https://media.tenor.com/Ksyb55_VNPEAAAAM/disappointed-wriotags.gif

spoon.ek9
04-27-2026, 05:17 PM
I don't dance bruh, it's not me lol. I also have a clubbing story that was.... not ideal. Really reinforced the idea that I was right to not waste my time and money in clubs.

donk.
04-27-2026, 05:38 PM
We gonna get you some nose candy and send you back

spoon.ek9
04-27-2026, 05:48 PM
yeah, no thanks :lol

I've never done any of that stuff, not even weed.

68style
04-27-2026, 05:55 PM
I don't dance bruh, it's not me lol. I also have a clubbing story that was.... not ideal. Really reinforced the idea that I was right to not waste my time and money in clubs.

You don't dance because you're holding your damn drinks instead of drinking them

Nobody actually dances until they're drunk

spoon.ek9
04-27-2026, 07:23 PM
doesn't matter how drunk I am, I don't dance under any circumstances

6793026
04-28-2026, 09:40 AM
I had a great time dancing back in the days. Given i'm asian it's hard to compete when every dude were 4 inches taller and all girls were flocking to all these white guys.

On the other hand, clubs were usually filled with tons of gangster asians (Purple Onion, Big Bamboo, Boss, Atlantis, Richards on Richards (meh), Plaza of Nations etc...Those days are long gone.

I grew out of my shell when i had a roommate and really became and extrovert. Throwing away all my shame and care and had a great time just dancing. Yes liquor courage and getting high before hand worked wonders.

I wonder what kids do nowadays... (aside from swiping) to get to know poeple in public.

mikemhg
04-28-2026, 10:01 AM
Dancing days were fun. My friends and I always reminisce at how different it used to be versus today.

Remember when clubs like Boss, Atlantis, Sonar, all used to be entirely a dancefloor with perhaps a tiny section with a few tables for VIP. You were forced to get on the floor and move up on a girl from behind and dance, if she wasn't down, she'd step away and you'd go on your way. Doing that today would be considered creepy or being a "pest".

Nowadays the entire club is one big VIP, tables everywhere, everyone hanging in their own sections and not mingling about, it's all quite bizarre. What's the point of going to the club if you're just going to hang out at a table with your group? You could've done that shit at home.

Gerbs
04-28-2026, 10:45 AM
doesn't matter how drunk I am, I don't dance under any circumstances

that was me too cause i am socially anxious.


life got so much better after i started doing things i said I'd never do under any circumstances

spoon.ek9
04-28-2026, 10:48 AM
I'm happy to be the guy who buys his friends drinks so they can go dance and have fun. I find that more enjoyable than embarrassing myself with my literal complete lack of dancing ability lol.

unit
04-28-2026, 11:31 AM
unless you dance like elaine, nobody is really paying attention to your specific hand and foot movements.

BIC_BAWS
04-28-2026, 01:23 PM
that was me too cause i am socially anxious.

life got so much better after i started doing things i said I'd never do under any circumstances

It's kinda wild that I am not socially anxious at all - probably cause im autistic but I label it as authentic LUUUUL

but the wild thing is that I'm hella extroverted, don't care what ppl think of me (aka authentically myself) but have no game with Vancouver girls.

That said, I've been reading studies on this, and I've found alignment with my real world experience - women in Asia are a bit more open to having conversation where as western women (not to be mistaken for white) have that entitlement of "what makes you worthy of talking to me" and you have to qualify yourself/demonstrate enough value.

bcrdukes
04-28-2026, 02:03 PM
How do you know you're autistic? Were you certified or self-diagnosed?

MarkyMark
04-28-2026, 02:58 PM
Dancing days were fun. My friends and I always reminisce at how different it used to be versus today.

Remember when clubs like Boss, Atlantis, Sonar, all used to be entirely a dancefloor with perhaps a tiny section with a few tables for VIP. You were forced to get on the floor and move up on a girl from behind and dance, if she wasn't down, she'd step away and you'd go on your way. Doing that today would be considered creepy or being a "pest".

Nowadays the entire club is one big VIP, tables everywhere, everyone hanging in their own sections and not mingling about, it's all quite bizarre. What's the point of going to the club if you're just going to hang out at a table with your group? You could've done that shit at home.

I couldn't imagine getting on the dancefloor and just trying to grind up on some random chick in today's climate lol, crazy what 20 years will do.

bcrdukes
04-28-2026, 07:44 PM
Which clubs in Vancouver even exist today? :confused:

BIC_BAWS
04-28-2026, 09:41 PM
Harbour.. which used to be Plaza of Nations I believe
Aura
Fortune
Celebs

From your day... I'm pretty sure Gorgomish and Gossip are gone.

Basement still around but iykyk

bcrdukes
04-28-2026, 09:47 PM
"From your day..." :fuckthatshit:

I am old. :okay:

EvoFire
04-28-2026, 10:24 PM
The night clubs changed names every year or 2. Couldn't keep up back then, definitely not now.

It's still Atlantis, 686, and Gossip for me (dating myself)

Actually, Gossip was the later name, what was it called before Gossip?

Mikoyan
04-28-2026, 10:48 PM
The night clubs changed names every year or 2. Couldn't keep up back then, definitely not now.

It's still Atlantis, 686, and Gossip for me (dating myself)

Actually, Gossip was the later name, what was it called before Gossip?

You knew the club was changing names after each reported stabbing/shooting.

I remember the first weekend after they banned smoking in the clubs... You took a look around and thought, damn that was hidden behind the smoke? I think they all repainted/redecorated right after that.

6793026
04-29-2026, 05:38 AM
Harbour.. which used to be Plaza of Nations I believe
Aura
Fortune
Celebs

From your day... I'm pretty sure Gorgomish and Gossip are gone.

Basement still around but iykyk

The only place i have never been was Fortune, still remember when Jay-Z was in town (via some newpaper report), he said that place had the best sound system. Is that still around in China town. Celebs will forever do well cause the LGBTA2+ will always support dancing any day of hte week on Davie street. Is the casino still there at Plaza of nations?


I remember the first weekend after they banned smoking in the clubs... You took a look around and thought, damn that was hidden behind the smoke? I think they all repainted/redecorated right after that.
OH YEAH... wow that was back in 2008, i did remember when smoking was allowed, then again, u woud be able to pull a hcick outside for a smoke. Not like the bathrooms smelled any better.

bcrdukes
04-29-2026, 05:56 AM
The night clubs changed names every year or 2. Couldn't keep up back then, definitely not now.

It's still Atlantis, 686, and Gossip for me (dating myself)

Actually, Gossip was the later name, what was it called before Gossip?

Our friend unit has the answer.

ok, any of you older folks remember all the clubs since you were younger?

for example, before gossip there was plush, before boss there was atlantis and before was wett bar, before fabric there was sonar...

also share some memories of vancouver club history for some of the youngins.

Link to original thread - vancouvers club history (https://www.revscene.net/forums/showthread.php?t=667645)

supafamous
04-29-2026, 06:05 AM
Which clubs in Vancouver even exist today? :confused:

No 5 Orange
The Penthouse
Paramount
Granville Strip

Badhobz
04-29-2026, 06:18 AM
^the only real answer.

unit
04-29-2026, 07:24 AM
Our friend unit has the answer.



Link to original thread - vancouvers club history (https://www.revscene.net/forums/showthread.php?t=667645)

geez man even i forgot the old names now that its been 14 friggin years since i posted that.

BIC_BAWS
04-29-2026, 07:47 AM
No 5 Orange

Did you hear Brandi's is going out of business? LOL

Is the casino still there at Plaza of nations

I believe the casino is now Harbour Event & Convention Center, and Harbour Event Center, previously known as Plush, and Gossip, is now Enso

supafamous
04-29-2026, 08:24 AM
Did you hear Brandi's is going out of business? LOL

Last day is apparently May 4th - gonna be a wild last few days there.

spoon.ek9
04-29-2026, 08:35 AM
will it be star wars themed on the final night then? :lol

Badhobz
04-29-2026, 08:45 AM
STD themed night! rub your face in her snatch and see what happeneds!!!!

spoon.ek9
04-29-2026, 08:58 AM
herpes for all!

teggy604
04-29-2026, 08:14 PM
No 5 Orange
The Penthouse
Paramount
Granville Strip

Strip clubs, clubs, and the best techno and trance. Way better than the edm stuff they put out nowadays.

donk.
04-29-2026, 08:16 PM
Strip clubs, clubs, and the best techno and trance. Way better than the edm stuff they put out nowadays.

I want to go back to europe just for that.

"Whats playing on your speakers right now? Thread"
https://youtu.be/Rn_3LiqrK40?si=nJptraRik9QJaDhQ