yeah anyone know of any.. the place i work at is now run by jackasses who don't give me any hours

goddamit, just rigged in some dvd/mp3/cr-whatever the hell thing, and the dad won't stop crankin this shit music.
-Marshall

That Hardcore Blows Man

Coopers isnt Hiring Much, I barely get full time in the summer as it is.

Hrm so that's why I always see your car parked by coopers.. I work at the radioshack there

Yes, I know ... but no one knows COBOL anymore, and many big financial institutions (BANKS!) are running old hardware and software still because its too expensive to change over.

There is almost always a job in Vancouver posted for $120,000/yr for COBOL software maintenance ... boring as @#$% but at least you can drive to and from work in a Ferrari and dictate your hours.

C++ is old too, but commonly used. JAVA programmers get paid $10/hr because as someone already said, every geek and their pet rock knows it ... :)

ask your infotech teacher if he thinks UNIX is useless since it's > 20 years old.

there was a thread on slashdot the other day about mainframe programmers... the same thing applies to COBOL. all this ancient stuff is still around and running today, and all the geysers who created and maintained it are retiring, so there's a bit of a shortage now that's only going to get worse unless they adopt new systems. students of course, are not learning languages like COBOL, and the schools aren't teaching them cuz they're "so outdated". instead, they learn modern "new" (ie trendy) languages like Java. i've almost never seen a job posting with Java as anything listed as "an asset". i don't need to further explain the supply and demand situation this creates. also, since a lot of companies are pro-Microsoft, they'll just be wanting ASP/C# programmers instead.

that said, i don't know COBOL, Java, ASP, or C#. i prefer my "ancient" languages, C and Perl.

I love how these colleges all try to pretend how cutting edge they are, we are state of the art, web coding is the future, blah blah blah.

What they fail to tell you is that when you get out you still won't get those fun web jobs, because all the graphic art and design students take those jobs.

So many people are getting in to the IT industry with this illusion that thats where the money's at.

There are so many unemployed people that are keeping salaries down because they'll take any sort of tech job and accept that $10/hr wage.

Its a go nowhere field.

You'll never get in to management where the real money is at because you have no management training or experience.

You'll be stuck as programmer in a dungeon or fixing PC's at Future Flop for the rest of your life.

I know someone with a Bachelors in Computer Science that makes less money than a waitress.

Do I sound bitter? ;)

holy smokes, its amazing what happens when you bleed your brakes(no surprise)

UCC still teachs COBOL in its CSOM course because Weyerhauser is there. I am goign to SAIT and all of its courses are only there because there is a board of industry members and they say we want students who know this, or your class last year was little weak on SQL so beef up that subject. Java is not some trendy langauge its a crossplatform langauge the is being implemented more and more. As for C#? its a COMPLETE java ripoff, the syntax is almost identical. Also schools are teaching u how to program the language they teach shouldnt matter, ifu are good u can pick up syntax easy its the logic that u need know.

delSol97: i happen to have one of those "fun web jobs", and i have no graphics design training or experience at all, so they do exist. i don't do graphic design... that's a job for *graphic designers*. our graphic designers don't code... that's a job for *programmers* (me). i'm not saying you're wrong, in fact, you're probably dead on. but companies hiring graphics design people to do programming need to have their HR people shot. i do agree with you about the management stuff though, and i think IT people should get some mangerial experience. that way, at very least we'd have some guys who actually know something about technology managing technology companies (do i sound bitter? :)). people getting into IT just because they think they can take some 10 month course and then make piles of cash are in it for the wrong reasons. hopefully those people will choose other careers and the US economy will recover, so we can get back to having a shortage of skilled workers again. i wouldn't say it's a go-nowhere field, but it is depressing meeting people who do things like drive a truck, or work in a mill, and make twice what i do. going into management just isn't an option, because it means having to listen to and deal with people's problems instead of playing with computers.

reXem: there's no denying that C# is a complete Java ripoff :). i'm just saying that with all these pro-Microsoft companies, they'll be more likely to use it over Java (which is unfortunate). and i agree about the schools... i should hope they'd be teaching you the fundamentals of programming instead of worrying about specifics of a certain language... but how can they expect their students to graduate and say to potential employers "well, no, i don't know XYZ language... but i'll learn it!"? most schools don't teach anything about coding in a group, office politics, truncated design schedules, having little or no time for testing, etc.

I havent heard anything about C# being implemented on a large scale. Lots about java tho... To u an idea about what I am learning... In my systems class (2 semesters long) we are supposed to plan and implement a system. Planning took an entire semester and its a fairly thin planning. We have 3 months to code, test and implement the system. Some groups are tards and doing a simple inventory system. But my group (4 ppl) we are taking on the task of offering a replacement to Outlook. If u know anything about Outlook u know its more than just email it has a whole whack of groupware to it. Our program will be a caleneder, todo list, address book and public notes. We left out email b/c its not really needed as there are 8 million email clients. It is programmed in Java with PostgreSQL database behind it. It is client/server based (of course) and we will also have web access for remote access from home. You will be able to give permission to other users to edit or view your todo list or address (ie ur deptarment head can schedule a meeting for u or your assistant can etc.) FYI GUI in Java is fun :D

damnit...i start back to work on saturday...be there at 5:15 am and start at 5:30...cant wait..work till 2..i gotta get outta there..really kills the summer when you have to go to bed at 9...but ppl come to work half drunk on no sleep almost everyday of the summer...maybe ill try that...just sleep at the front gate

that sounds like a cool project. good for you for not making some dumb boring inventory system, cuz that's just basically "store some data, spit data back out". i'm glad you're using a database. so much easier to store/manipulate/export data that way. i use MySQL personally, but played around with PostgreSQL so that i could play around with it's transaction stuff. i didn't play with it for too long but my initial reaction was that it seemed pretty badass.

Heh, don't mind my rants ... I was being a little extreme, I'm just really really bored and I hate my job because I work with certain people who don't know what they are doing (so I have to do mine AND theirs), but I make too much money (at least for this town) to quit and do anything else. :)

so if you 3 (delsol, hampton, and rex) could do your whole university over, what would u take? whats the best path to the $$$?

The main reason for PostGres is Correated Sub Querys which MySQL doesnt support yet.

I am in a 2 yr Tech Course at SAIT and I would still take this course. Doing a Bach of Comp Sci is pointless u learn more thoery than pratical use, for instance U of C bacheloer of comp sci 3rd and 4th year kinda match up to my 2 years but with less practical use. U learn a bunch of shit that isnt needed and the Industry knows this and some places favor a Tech School Dipolma to Uni Degree....not to mention I can upgrade to bach Deg in 1 year....

i'm not done university yet... not even close. i'm only going part time because i work full time. however, my long term educational goal is a BSc. in CS. as it is now i'm 100% self-taught (i've been playing with computers since age 7 (15 years)). i feel i have the ability to pick up basically any programming language or operating system (for sysadmin jobs), but i can't simply write that on a resume. i need the piece of paper, so that's what i'm going for :). luckily by the time i am done school i'll have plenty of experience.

i don't want to simply do a 2 year program since a BSc in CS is pretty much universally recognized, whereas a 2 year diploma from a tech school might not have the same weight. i'd just rather keep my options open. a 2 year program will probably get you into most of the same jobs, but i'm pretty skeptical about their being many companies who actually frown on having a BSc in CS. i've got a relative who did a 2 year program and later found that he was employable but not for some of the jobs he wanted, and later went back and finished off the other 2. it's cool reXem, that your program offers the ability to go for a full degree so that you always have the option to go back and finish up the degree.

i'm also wary of the 2 year degree, at least the one here at UCC (CSOM) because most of the CSOM grads i've met are huge morons. i realise this is a horrible generalization, and one that probably isn't accurate... but that's been my experience. about 3 years ago i was working as a technician for a local shop and CSOM students and grads used to bring in their machines for us to fix (while we're on that subject, MCSE's to get us to fix issues with Windows NT too... ironic). this didn't instill a lot of confidence as i was considering taking CSOM at the time. the final blow came when a CSOM student asked me a question he had for a final project in one of the 4th (last) semester classes: "how can network switches be used to prevent hackers?". not only is this question horribly worded, it's incredibly easy to answer. not my idea of a brain-buster for a 2 year program.

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csom isnt from a tech school......the reason tech school dipolmas are highly regarded is the fact that the techers are not just book taught these are who on their semester off are out in industry as contract worker etc....actually a lot og teachers are jut on contract to teach for a semester then they go back to their job....they all have real world experience unlike some university teacher who just went to school their whole lives since u need a masters to teach at a uni dont u?

hey all
its about noon, im still drunk. haha i havent slept yet. the taxi driver sang to me the whole way home hahaha! my eyes are stinging. i got dropped on my face in the road so now i have a phatty bruise. i also have bruises all over my arms and legs. i feel like shit, goin to bed.... 4 more days!

sounds like you've had quite the drunkfest over there in the last while:dizzy:
:werd:

whats goin on in ktown tonite? seems like nothin at all

best line used in a song - I love you like a fat kid love cake! 21 questions, by 50 cent

holy shiat the pigs were out in full force tonite everywhere i went there were pigs speedtraps, pigs just watching and waiting for someone to do something stupid.. and then there were the rentapigs everywhere as well