thank you. exactly my thoughts on these clubs.. dont see the point of cvc, cac, etc.... unite canadian asians for what? bubble tea meets? joy luck club movie night? annual ski trip? cause u know, skiing and snowboarding is so asian. :confused::confused::confused:

I saw the video before it was taken down... not in my cache anymore :(
But here's the link to the comments
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servl...%3Dn59yM5tX9Tc

and the original link to the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n59yM5tX9Tc

It's not actually taken down, it has been privatized so if anyone knows how to get through that, post it up!

I thought this video was stupid and I don't understand how that would make one want to join. But honestly the club is a joke, you can't expect anything more from CVC.

fucking cry more ...

The video is gold! A fat ass losing hair, an ugly chick showing her cleavage, and some cbc who can't imitate hongers' engrish properly, can it be any better?

I want to see the vide anyone have it?

It depends what you mean by Anglo-Saxon club. If it's an actual club for English roots, and is at least based on the idea of discussing England and pioneering or whatever....I'm guessing that'd actually be ok

However (and I think this is what you guys are getting at), if there was just a White Canadian culture club it'd be a cause for suspicion, since what the hell are they going to do that they need a club for? Listen to white music by turning on the radio? Watch white movies by going to blockbuster or turning on a TV? And I'm not making the argument that Canada doesn't have culture, but what motivation is there to make a point to pay attention to something that you are immersed in?

Thank you my friend, what you said was bang on. If you're anything BUT white, you'd know that the term white isn't derogatory. In western society being white is essentially the benchmark, having white friends, white gf, working for a white company. I think that is pretty much clear cut.

I also agree with you on CBCs not joining other Chinese clubs. I was in CSA for 3 years, I became the VP and I wasn't a complete honger, and we had plenty of people that either were non-honger, looked honger but spoke english, or straight up hongers. And you know what? We got along fine. For me I'd sell to any Chinese person to join the club, I mean after all all we do is hang out and drink most of the time. I also agree that yes I haven't seen a FOB at CVC, but hey that's what that club looks for and I haven't have anyone come up to me to complain. After all maybe that's why there are so many Chinese clubs in UBC (prolly too much but I digress), Chinese people ourselves are so different we can accomodate more than one club, and you know what, so be it, I don't know why we gotta diss each other.

random note: I often wonder why C.S.S.A NEVER EVER gets dissed lol, they're the all CHINA club.

white isnt a derogatory term... not a 'proper' term but ive never met anybody who was offended by it.. just like how black people dont mind being called black

But why would ppl other than Honger background would wanna join DSC, CSA & such? Their events r all catered to Hongers. There's no way in hell that some white guys w/o limited HK background can feel comfortable. And face it, clubs are NOT meant to spread cultural influence. It's merely a platform for dating. Not a lot of non-Hongers can stand the pure bred Hongers' attitude. Priority & value system are just too different. It's a wall so great that it's almost impossible to go thru. That's y clubs like CVC exist cuz they'r like a commonground where Asians & non Asians can interact. I think CVC has its place cuz most of my CBC frds joined CVC while I joined CSA/DSC.

wtf...a platform for dating? I'd rather say it's a platform for sticking around with the types of people that you're comfortable with. But yeah, very much true what you said about priorities and values. I don't think it's an insurmountable wall, but the barrier is there.

EDIT: I should add, it's also because people don't try to get past that block, they're more comfortable (and if I may say, secluded) where they already are.

White guys HAVE joined before, but they joined to really learn the culture. I've had one come up to me and was speaking mandarin to me the whole time, and it was better than mine lol.

But yeah white guys have no incentive to join, that's also the same when hongers would never think twice of joining fraternities. In essence these clubs are made so similar people can hang out. And to be honest even between DSC/CSA/CCS the culture is different (yes diff honger cultures), so I guess what I'm trying to say is pretty obvious, but then I think the point is that honger clubs never made ads saying "Oh I'm a CBC and I don't fit in"

p.s. and yes soooooooooo many people join these clubs for girls, its not even funny.

LOL...that dude's name is Dicky Poon.

Did your plane just arrive two months ago?

You said looking down on others different than you isn't cool (what cvc allegedly did). I agree with that 100%. But you seem to be making this stuff up. Sorry, no ching chong chong. That's what you see on tv. Not reality. CBC girls going for only white guys? You're making stuff up again. Leave the house.. go downtown, metrotown, Richmond Centre etc. and look at the couples. Tell me what you see. The only one shaming or have tried to shame CBCs is you.

As for selling out their own race, it really depends on whether you can accept that CBCs will be different than you, or you think they have some obligation to be just like you (whichever one of the many parts of China you're from), + not be true to themselves.

Someone mentioned value systems are different. That's totally correct. It's all about developing survival skills in your environment. Is there a right one and a wrong one? Don't underestimate the power of this.

And CBCs are influenced more by their parents, siblings, cousins, friends, and yes, North America than a random fob from a random part of China living in a different time period than their parents. Trust me, immigration back in the day allowed family members to come over. They ALL came over. And they all settled in the same parts of the city. I'm not shitting you. But then that's not 'Chinese' according to some newcomer who doesn't know very much about this place's history. Oh well, if you want to be exclusive, life goes on. It's too bad, IMO.

Again, you're out of touch with reality. You need to leave the house more and take a look at what's happening outside, esp with young ppl cuz that's where the real interaction happens.

I knew someone in a "Canadian" Club at SFU. Basically, white ppl doing white boy stuff. Anyone can join. And it wasn't racist. There you go.. done. Not that hard was it?

BTW, i'm writing this to educate not preach. if you wanna listen with an open mind, cool.. if not that's fine too. Much of this stuff you may not know unless you go to school here or go out and mix with ppl. They show a different set of programs on tv...

Being a CBC I never had any interest in joining CVC when I did I went to UBC...they were just as "douchey" as the white guys who joined frats....

CVC = Chinks Vs Chinks
CBC making fun of hongers is basically dissing themselves, their parents, their relatives, etc.
Disband that shit.

You don't have to lecture me about the history of race relations in Vancouver. I immigrated here 20 years ago as a baby. I'm 22 now. You can pretty much call me a CBC. The things I wrote in this thread are just things that I have observed and experienced growing up in Vancouver pretty much my entire life.

Maybe you had a different experience than I had, and have never had to experience any sort of racial taunting or subtle forms of discrimination. And that's wonderful. I'm glad you didn't have to go through that, but I think that you are in the minority.

For many Chinese people I have talked to and hung out with, it was different for us.

Now, growing up I hung out with pretty much everyone. I played sports with my white friends, CBC's, but I'd still chill with some of the new Honger immigrants. So, I've sort of seen things from all perspectives, some of the group mentalities that people have.

My white friends were cool people, but you could tell that some of them didn't like the Hongers speaking Cantonese all the time. Maybe they felt threatened because they couldn't understand. Some of the ignorant ones would go up to my Honger friends and be like, "HEY YOU DIM SUM! ENGLISH ONLY, NO CHINESE!", and start with the "ching chong ching" taunts. I've been on the receiving end of some of these taunts too when I spoke Cantonese. Even teachers would come up to me and yell at me for speaking Chinese during recess.

Then there's TV and the negative stereotypes. Back when I was a kid, whenever I see some Chinese person on cartoons, it's always some slant-eyed chink pulling a rick-shaw with a thick Honger accent. Most of the Asian actresses or actors that get any face time are the slant-eyed stereotypical ones, like Lucy Liu, William Hung or the Korean guy from LOST. When it comes to western media, most of the time being Asian is not cool.

Lots of chinese people might not realize the effects of these things on your racial identity. Probably most chinese don't even think about it that much. But they get under your skin, and on some subconscious level they eat away at your pride.

I'd see some (but not all) of my CBC friends distance themselves from Hongers. They crack jokes with their white friends making fun of Honger culture, trying so hard to prove that they are nothing like Hongers. But really, the CBC's don't realize that the whites aren't laughing WITH them, they're really laughing AT them and the culture of their own people. The jokes just served to perpetuate negative stereotypes. In short, the CBC's sold out their own people, but they don't even realize it.


You know what I see? Nine out of ten White-Asian couples I see walking around Vancouver are Asian girls dating white guys, instead of an Asian guy dating a white girl. I'm not against interracial dating. A lot of Asian girls like these white guys for their sense of humour, laid-back attitude, or because they're muscular. That's fine, I'm totally cool with that.

But I've met some CBC girls out there that treat their white boyfriends like some sort of status symbol, that somehow purely because he's white he's better than every Asian guy out there. I'd hear ignorant comments from them like, "White guys are sooo much better. I'd never date an Asian guy again, EVER."

Asian males are emasculated in the media and in society. Though there are exceptions, the general perception is that it's just not cool to date one. It may not be the main reason you see so little Asian guys getting white girls, but when the sheer numbers are so skewed, it probably has some sort of effect. It probably hurts the Asian guy's self-esteem. I'd ask many Asian guys why they don't go for white girls, and they'd always say that white girls are out of their league, or somehow they are unattainable. White girls are the holy grail, put on some sort of pedestal.


The term "Canadian" is all-encompassing. There's Chinese-Canadians, Indo-Canadians, Caucasian Canadians. The term "Canadian" does not connote an ethnicity, but a nationality. So there's no objections to the name Canadian Club.

Try starting a club called "The Whites-Only Club", or "The Aryan Club", and people will be quick to start comparisons with white supremacist groups. But no one will really object to "Chinese Club" or "Indian Club."


I appreciate that you didn't come here just to bash my arguments. I respect your opinion and perhaps you had different experience than me and many of the chinese friends that I know. I've grown up in Vancouver, and I know many of the execs at these chinese clubs, CVC included. I'm just telling it how I see it.

:haha::haha::haha:

Ironic post is..... ironic?

Oh wait, you were actually trying to make valid points?

So you're saying that racism only happens on TV?
For one race to insult their own race means they've adapted a different culture and that makes it ok? ... Wait no, you were talking about being held to a standard socially is wrong?
That this way of 'surviving/adapting to an environment' (lol Club Days are srsbsn) isn't wrong and we aren't supposed to judge because we're not in their shoes?
That family members like to live near each other? That the lower mainland has a Chinese population that immigrated here, but they're considered Canadian Born Chinese(what in the blue hell...?) even though they immigrated here?
Wait, how did you mix up a "Canadian" club means the same thing as an anglo-saxan club?

The crux of most of your arguments is "go outside, it doesn't happen", even though racism and to a larger extent discrimination is happens in Vancouver? Somehow I'm supposed to be "educated" by this?

People are actually trying to debate that making fun of lifestyles and cultures are fine as long as it's socially acceptable? Even if they're only making fun of "the honger clubs" isn't that by proxy the lifestyle and culture that some others choose? I'm all for free-speech but at some fundamental level, and especially at a institute of higher learning, shouldn't they have at least considered that making fun of a significant population would be a bad idea? Ask yourself, how is making fun of a culture that others have lived around and are comfortable in going to evoke a positive response from everyone not inside their social circle? Fuck being overly sensitive, if you're planning on doing something stupid, you're going to get some pretty emotionally charged responses and they got what they deserved. I still don't understand how denouncing your own customer base (when the hell did CVC become strictly CBC only?) is a moderately good marketing plan, even if it was done in the name of 'humor'.

All this does is just further cater to the lowest denominator (read: the idiots that actually believe it to be funny) which serves to perpetuate this stereotype? These are the same idiots that believe this is what the club is about and who are only going to further stereotype. Go read http://www.youtube.com/comment_servl...%3Dn59yM5tX9Tc. It's pretty much laid out there; people believe this shit to be funny and that this club is the proper outlet for it.

Adding insecurities to another group of people is such a high school mentality to bring into UBC. The trivial nature of why they're doing it what's most offensive to me. Was degrading a huge portion of the UBC population worth the extra few memberships sold? The absurd part was that no one thought a video making fun of a big portion of UBC's population would be offensive. The scary part is that these are the same people who will be running the club come a few years down the road when this group of execs are gone.

Half of this thread's rhetoric makes me sick. You jokers that spew the "oh hey, listen, it was a joke, we couldn't possibly have known people would have gotten hurt over it" brigade can honestly jump off a cliff. Bring the "why are people so close-minded about this stuff" and the "CBCs making fun of themselves is not racist, but if they were any other race..." hypocrites are suddenly reinforcing the idea that discrimination is fine as long there's a stipulation (LOLZ IT WUZ FUNNIES). Attacking a club in a tongue in cheek way? Sure. Attacking the values and culture behind it? Fantastic job, geniuses.

I've made a good observation today.

If it involves money, english is suddenly spoken.

And to the fuck posting above me. This is a english (primarily) country. How the fuck are you going to a "world class school" where the classes are taught in FUCKING ENGLISH.

BUT OH NOES WE MUST CATER TO THEM RIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MAJORITY.

Stereotypes exist because I witness them.

How the fuck is it that in vancouver we have a massive greek community yet EVERY SINGLE GREEK IN THIS CITY speak english.

Yet we have people who have lived here for 10 years and still not know a fucking word.

I think richmond is getting to me.

This post is a fine example of ignorance.

First of all your use of derogatory words, secondly your ignorance in believing that by "making fun of hongers" people are taking a stab at their cultural background. Just because they're Chinese Born Canadian doesn't mean they have to go around speaking Chinese all day everyday, they don't have to dress like a typical "honger" and most of all they don't have to conform to the Asian population. Lastly with your resolution being "disband that shit" just goes to show that you don't have an open mind and are ready to throw down a judgement.

Since you are bashing CVC for their parody of Mac VS. PC I am going to assume that you have never made a comment about someone before that was politically incorrect? Never called someone a "honger" a "nigger" a "jew" other wise you would be a hypocrite right?;)

I'm not posting to lash out at you, it's just that I felt that your post contradicted what the purpose of this thread was - to deal with "ignorance and racism".

Funny. I'm positive that if this club was (for argument's sake) a Canadian club with two white guys parodying an ignorant redneck and a "normal" city-bred citizen, you guys would all be laughing and not be having the same sort of debate. In fact, some of you guys against this video or the continuation of a particular stereotype against Asians... well, I've seen posts by many of you perpetuating further stereotypes against other cultures, nations and groups of people. As someone said earlier in this thread, there's a lot of pot vs kettle action going on.

How many of you have laughed at Chris Rock, Russel Peters or Michael Richards during one of their stand-up routines? Many of their jokes are based on stereotypes or some form of racism. How is laughing at these "professionals" any different than laughing at a student produced video?

Hate to say this but Asian presence in the USA is still very, very minimal. The Chinese population down South makes up for 0.007% of the total American population (2mil vs 305mil). As a result, you can bet that their representation within Hollywood is going to be minimal at best. However, for every stereotyped Chinese on TV, there are plenty more about other races including Anglo-Saxons. It's not that Hollywood see Asians purely as a stereotype; it's just that often stereotypes exist on TV to serve a purpose.



Okay, so tell me the difference between this and a girl saying "I'll never date a guy who doesn't have a six-pack/isn't rich/isn't Asian/isn't Black/have a big cock." Everyone has a preference as to what they like. Whether it's because they want someone with money or because they just find a particular person of a certain race more attractive, it's their preference.

You've heard of Trophy Wives, no? Well, there you have it.

Many White guys put Asian girls on a pedestal as well. Many find them to be far more attractive than their own female counterparts, yet find it very difficult to date one simply based on cultural differences. They themselves will state that dating an Asian girl is also out of their league. I do have White female friends dating Asian guys, yet I rarely see it going the other way around.

lol. So true... especially the last line.

Even if the ones crying racist in this thread are a bunch of hypocrites, it still doesn't justify perpetuating stereotypes. Two wrongs don't make a right.


Yes, the Asian presence in the states is minimal as a whole. But in media capitals like New York, or Los Angeles, there's actually a much larger Asian representation, especially around the Bay Area in California. A lot of the University of California schools are teeming with Asians (Asians represent 35% of students at UC Berkeley, and 38% of students at UCLA). I'm sure Hollywood can find some Asians who don't look like the stereotype.

Even if the Asian presence is small in the states, it still doesn't justify stereotyping. I'm also not saying that stereotyping other races is OK. It's not. But this one thread is about chinese stereotypes in particular, and that's why I have only addressed those stereotypes so far, and not those of other races.


The difference is that preferences for whites-only result from subtle racial discrimination, growing up in a white-dominated society, with a media that emasculates and stereotypes Asian men.

Race shouldn't be seen as some sort of status symbol. I'm sure you can agree with that right?


I don't know about you, but I most of the time I see Asian girls with white guys. I have seen white girls with Asian guys, but it's much rarer.

I'm sure if you asked around, or took a poll on this forum, most people would agree that they see more Asian girls dating white guys than the other way around.

dont hate.

and this thread is becoming some serious business.

i heard it was ACG that started complaining first


and dont bash on ACG CSA DSC CCS etc etc, just b/c their events are catered to appeal to hongers doesn't mean they dont welcome other ppl to join

ppl are welcome to join those events as long as they like being there right, nothing stoping them from joining (or not joining)

where as CVC was bashing the hongers for their own activities (one of their vids was stereotyping hongers for playing badminton)

basicaly that part went like
girl: oh im gonna go to this cool party and do all thsee cool stuff etc etc
and the guy looks all sad and shit and says: oh im gonna go play badminton with my friends in richmond...

basically cvc's vid(s) made the hongers look like stupid ppl and whoever thinks the same way can join them