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goo3 09-20-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KJQL (Post 6038145)
Maybe you had a different experience than I had, and have never had to experience any sort of racial taunting or subtle forms of discrimination. And that's wonderful. I'm glad you didn't have to go through that, but I think that you are in the minority.

You know what? I think we both see the same reality (this city is small), but we perceive it differently. Here's why:

1) Early HS is a time for kids to learn to live w/ each other. I don't put much weight in what happens during this period, even though you will see the most racist shit happen. They are kids after all. This is the time where you have to take shit and fight back at a primal level. You can have a lot of fun doing this :D but it depends on your situation. Disagree with me, if you like.

Everyone will have to go through a process of getting along at some point, even older ppl who will have to resolve their pre-conceptions. Ppl are born this way. My experience was that as you matured in Gr. 11 + 12, ppl stopped caring about childish things like which group you belonged to.

2) I don't care about exceptions to the rule (ie girls dating for status). I concentrate on what the majority are like. You and I see the same things, I just don't believe it's as a big of a deal because outliers are hard to control.

Like it or not, there will always be some racism around because of different ppl everywhere and the fact you're still a minority. In an environment like this, it's important you be strong enough with your identity where one-off incidents and things on tv don't effect you, IMO. Other ppl don't live your life so they shouldn't be running it.

3) I see CBC as a subculture in Canada and you don't have to be born here or even be HK Chinese. There's no book that dictates you have to be this way or that way. It just happens. The label's applied after the fact. Hongers, Twangers, Mainlanders don't have a book either. Ethnically they are the same, but their cultures are different cuz of their diff environments. That's the truth. So then, when Hongers diss mainlanders are they selling out their own race?

To me, it's a bunch of people who want to diss other people. But others see the current HK book as what CBCers should aspire to. When things don't happen according to that belief, the double standard begins.

Anyway, there's my take. It's ok if you don't agree with it; you make up your own mind. But I still think much of your previous post regarding CBCs was dead wrong.

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Try starting a club called "The Whites-Only Club", or "The Aryan Club", and people will be quick to start comparisons with white supremacist groups. But no one will really object to "Chinese Club" or "Indian Club."
Yes, but my point was: "The White Club" carries baggage because of the past. It's a double standard but you can get around it with a different name + still have activities catering to white guys.

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Originally Posted by ivan_ (Post 6038146)
So you're saying that racism only happens on TV?
For one race to insult their own race means they've adapted a different culture and that makes it ok? ... Wait no, you were talking about being held to a standard socially is wrong?
That this way of 'surviving/adapting to an environment' (lol Club Days are srsbsn) isn't wrong and we aren't supposed to judge because we're not in their shoes?
That family members like to live near each other? That the lower mainland has a Chinese population that immigrated here, but they're considered Canadian Born Chinese(what in the blue hell...?) even though they immigrated here?
Wait, how did you mix up a "Canadian" club means the same thing as an anglo-saxan club?

Stupidest reply of the year.

I have no idea what you're talking about. You had a rant ready and wanted to use my post to springboard into it. Nice job of not reading what I wrote :thumbsup: . Go get some glasses.

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Originally Posted by Lomac (Post 6038322)
How many of you have laughed at Chris Rock, Russel Peters or Michael Richards during one of their stand-up routines? Many of their jokes are based on stereotypes or some form of racism. How is laughing at these "professionals" any different than laughing at a student produced video?

To really dig into this..

Stereotypes aren't racist. It's natural to group ppl. It's only racist when it's made up to fit somebody's predetermined conclusion. The problem is you gotta handle it delicately. Some can do it, some can't.

liu13 09-21-2008 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma (Post 6037152)
CVC is a crock of shit, and so is every other "asian" club at ubc.

especially the names of the clubs so obviously give off the feeling of "ASIAN"

if some white dude tried to start a white club "the anglo saxon varsity club" or some black club, or some shit, they'd never let that.

it's bullshit. the cbc's at ubc already have their noses stuck up high. they don't need to congregate together and get even more high and mighty.

just look at the type of people in CVC. it's a joke.

most of them walk around like they're harvard MBA types or some shit. give me a break. cbc pride my ass, dog shit has more integrity than these fools.

+1

i notice that the ppl that join cvc are the losers you went to highschool with

CivicBlues 09-21-2008 04:25 PM

you guys are fags. I ask for a video and you idiots rant on respectively about how hard it is growing up as a honger/cbc/greek/WASP. "boohoohoo my life is so hard!" Give me a fucking break.

Iceman_2K 09-21-2008 04:59 PM

what did you think would happen? SEriously, you and I have been on this board long enough to know that a thread like this would go off the tracks by the 5th post or so...

CivicBlues 09-21-2008 05:57 PM

what I expected from this thread:
video request --> someone post videos --> thread goes apeshit

this thread:
video request --> ? --> wtf?

gars 09-21-2008 09:56 PM

this is pretty funny.... so much ranting that accomplishes nothing...

i used to be an exec on CVC a number of years ago. i had a shitload of fun. but i could definitely see how people outside the club would see it as pretty stupid - because it's hard to break the cliques that form. quite a few of the events are smaller - and end up just having quite a lot of execs vs a smaller number of members.

on a sidenote - the Chinese Varsity Club was formed years and years ago - i think back in the 60's or earlier - and back then - Chinese people were definitely a minority. it was formed so that chinese people could socialize and play sports - hence varsity. nowadays - with so many other chinese clubs - they all get a bad reputation for alienating other races. stop crying about the name of clubs. at UBC - there's an Arab Student Association, Bhangara Club, German Club, Japan Association, Serbian Student Association to name a few - which are just the same. it just happens that because there are so many chinese clubs - there are many that are quite active - with many social events... i don't understand why you would give them so much flak about it?

Elder_MMHS 09-21-2008 10:24 PM

I miss the cars thread. :(

MelonBoy 09-22-2008 12:15 AM

LOL stupid overly sensitive people.. I watched the video and i didnt find it offending at all.. this is the most retarded reason to disband cvc if they do.. XD
( honestly i dont see a problem with chinese dising chinese.. thats like how black call other black people niggers )

K-Dub 09-22-2008 12:48 AM

beating a dead horse.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/showthread.php?t=131947

gars 09-22-2008 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Elder_MMHS (Post 6040242)
I miss the cars thread. :(

that was a good thread eh?

BlitzBlitz 09-22-2008 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CivicBlues (Post 6039886)
what I expected from this thread:
video request --> someone post videos --> thread goes apeshit

this thread:
video request --> ? --> wtf?

more like
this thread :
video request --> ???? --> apeshit on cvc -->video request --> ???now

unit 09-22-2008 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gars (Post 6040198)
this is pretty funny.... so much ranting that accomplishes nothing...

i used to be an exec on CVC a number of years ago. i had a shitload of fun. but i could definitely see how people outside the club would see it as pretty stupid - because it's hard to break the cliques that form. quite a few of the events are smaller - and end up just having quite a lot of execs vs a smaller number of members.

on a sidenote - the Chinese Varsity Club was formed years and years ago - i think back in the 60's or earlier - and back then - Chinese people were definitely a minority. it was formed so that chinese people could socialize and play sports - hence varsity. nowadays - with so many other chinese clubs - they all get a bad reputation for alienating other races. stop crying about the name of clubs. at UBC - there's an Arab Student Association, Bhangara Club, German Club, Japan Association, Serbian Student Association to name a few - which are just the same. it just happens that because there are so many chinese clubs - there are many that are quite active - with many social events... i don't understand why you would give them so much flak about it?

it may have started for a legitimate reason, but nowadays that reason no longer is the basis of the clubs operation. all those other clubs you named are true minorities w/ the exception of the chinese club. that club still has a purpose because they speak chinese exclusively and do chinese cultural events, like karoake and stuff like that, where it wouldnt make sense for a white person to want to participate. these kinds of clubs are supposed to be exclusive, but cvc isnt.. and thats what makes a club a club.

CivicBlues 09-23-2008 09:05 PM

WHO HAS THE FUCKING VIDEO???

Gumby 09-24-2008 01:54 PM

I'm interested in watching the video too. Closest thing I found was this (parts of the video are in the report):

http://www.ubyssey.ca/?p=4078

Ferra 09-24-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 6044197)
I'm interested in watching the video too. Closest thing I found was this (parts of the video are in the report):

http://www.ubyssey.ca/?p=4078

the Almas VP and the reporter voice are terrible.... seriously...

Gumby 09-24-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferra (Post 6044232)
the Almas VP and the reporter voice are terrible.... seriously...

Yeah, most of the people appearing in that video I thought were idiots...

Dinan3 09-24-2008 09:30 PM

^no doubt.

goo3 09-24-2008 09:59 PM

Oh God, neon pink and green? WTF, man!

1. Hong Kong
2. Taiwan
...
:lol

CivicBlues 09-24-2008 10:05 PM

Carlos McAllister?

wtf, the president of the Chinese Varsity Club is some kinda Irish Spic??

i kid i kid...:p

german-anger 09-25-2008 01:03 AM

http://www.youtube.com/user/angelbabie33

link to the videos...

+Kardboard+ 09-25-2008 07:46 AM

Thanks. I've downloaded them and will mirror them later if they get taken down. No time to watch now, but will after work. :p

fuhkyu 09-25-2008 08:27 AM

LOL that shits funny

fobulaus 09-25-2008 08:42 AM

cmon guys, this is pretty hilarious and im honger

boatcaptain 09-25-2008 08:49 AM

i find it funni more thn diss

carisear 09-25-2008 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by german-anger (Post 6045180)


rofl, they are pretty funny.


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