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06-13-2009, 06:15 PM
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#51 | | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
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Originally Posted by kumbo1  If you have nothing to hide, then, why not? Gives the popo more of a reason to persue a search. | refusing to allow a search cannot be used in the decision to warrant a search.
ei.
judge #1 'so why'd you search his car for? on what reasonable grounds?'
cop #1 'because he said I couldn't'
judge #1 'you are an idiot'
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06-13-2009, 06:32 PM
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06-13-2009, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pandalove what if u refuse and the cop smashes ur window ... what compensation can u get :P
can u sue them for big bucks ? | unfortunately no. this happened to my friend before when he refused and had his window smashed. the only thing you get is a sorry and you have to pay a $200 deductible (not $300 for some reason) if you tell icbc that the police smashed your window during a stop.
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06-13-2009, 09:14 PM
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#54 | | I STILL don't get it
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Originally Posted by kumbo1 A classic case of someone trying to play the law for a fool. Riiiight, "I just bought the car and it came like this"  . You the idiot that had front tint. You have no right to call that cop out. You broke the law and now pay for it and man up. How you gonna apeal the ticket? | I did just buy the car dumbass. And it came tinted in the front. My insurance reflected that fact. Additionally, i wont tell you how i will win the case because we need suckers like you that just blindly pay up, so people like me can get away with it.
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06-13-2009, 09:50 PM
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#55 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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Originally Posted by monkymadnes i call false! im from the philippines and when a cop pulls you over you hand him $2 he lets you go. these guys have no money, they make 500 bux a month, they work 60 hours a week, $2 in their wallet instead of going to the government... why not  |
no shiet sherlock! all of us that were born in asia know that u can bribe them.
dude u totally misunderstood what i meant.
i meant that those countries are soo corrupt, if a cop doesnt like u. say you were at a bar and were discussing a sports game and you guys didnt agree and he didnt like you. (and u didnt know the guy was a cop).
he can pull u over later that day and frame u for shiet.
a lot of places they come every month and collect monthly protection dues. theres a huge list of corrupt shiet they do.
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06-13-2009, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kumbo1 If you have nothing to hide, then, why not? Gives the popo more of a reason to persue a search. | 1 = principle. I do not need to prove im innocent. They need to prove im guilty.
2 = if everyone rolled over and laid dead, there goes any civil liberties and your rights under charter of rights and freedom
3 = right to privacy. What happens if i have a cream for some sort of genital rash and he sees it ? What happens if i have a giant box of ky jelly in the back? What happens if im an accountant and have a bunch of clients sin #'s and other private information in the back ? What happens if im a programmer with 6 months work of code and he decides to open it up ? List goes on....
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06-14-2009, 12:09 AM
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are cops allowed to force you to search your own car?
last time i got pulled over he told me to open the glove compartment, then asked me to take everything out of it and put it on the passenger seat
i did what he told me n he found and confiscated my 10mL vodka sample shot -___-"
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06-14-2009, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PiuYi are cops allowed to force you to search your own car?
last time i got pulled over he told me to open the glove compartment, then asked me to take everything out of it and put it on the passenger seat
i did what he told me n he found and confiscated my 10mL vodka sample shot -___-" | i guess that could be reasonable ... prevent u from drinking and driving ... but i bet he jus wanted to drink it :P
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06-14-2009, 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Volvo-brickster 1 = principle. I do not need to prove im innocent. They need to prove im guilty.
2 = if everyone rolled over and laid dead, there goes any civil liberties and your rights under charter of rights and freedom
3 = right to privacy. What happens if i have a cream for some sort of genital rash and he sees it ? What happens if i have a giant box of ky jelly in the back? What happens if im an accountant and have a bunch of clients sin #'s and other private information in the back ? What happens if im a programmer with 6 months work of code and he decides to open it up ? List goes on.... | 1. Sorry, although that may be the saying (innocent until proven guilty) it's actually the other way around. Why are people held in custody until they are proven innocent? Why are people jailed until their trial date? In the court of law, yes you are innocent until proven guilty. But in a cop's eyes, you are always guilty until they cannot prove you're guilty, then you're free to go.
2. Civil liberties and the charter only stands for those who commited a serious crime. Using these factors for a routine stop or disturbance call gets you no where but in more trouble with the police officer.
3. Cream and KY jelly the police officer could care less because they won't get in that much trouble for. Until they do find your confidential documents, then you can approach to take action. But refusing to let the police search you if you're just a regular citizen will not work. Quote:
Originally Posted by PiuYi are cops allowed to force you to search your own car?
last time i got pulled over he told me to open the glove compartment, then asked me to take everything out of it and put it on the passenger seat
i did what he told me n he found and confiscated my 10mL vodka sample shot -___-" | First, you shouldn't have done what he said, because you willingly allow him to search your car, by telling you what to do. By doing this, you are given him consent that the search will not be illegal. Second, you're not suppose to have alcohol inside your car, whether it's closed bottle or open. You must stash it in the trunk, closed bottle.
Very little people know that you have the right to not answer anything. And very little people know that police use their words really carefully. Often times a police officer will say "I will have to ask you to step out of the car." This is merely a question. By replying with, "is that a question or a given order?" They will often have nothing to say back to you. By asking you to step out of the car gives them one step to searching your car. Often times they will assume that the search is allowed and can be used in the court of law to fight their cases.
Try not saying a single word next time you get pulled over and are asked to step out of the car. Chances are they will let you go, unless they really really want to arrest you knowing that you have commited a crime somewhere.
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06-14-2009, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sean@Home I did just buy the car dumbass. And it came tinted in the front. My insurance reflected that fact. Additionally, i wont tell you how i will win the case because we need suckers like you that just blindly pay up, so people like me can get away with it. | How the hell does the insurance reflect that? So the insurance covers your car for front tint? Do you use your car to haul jewelery or high valued goods? HAAHAHAHA, That is some funny ass shit. I smell bullshit on the part that "you just bought the car". It's people like you with blatant disregard for the law makes it bad for the rest of us. And I am not a sucker, as, I don't have front tint. You can't even have front tint for medical reasons. I hope the judge shoves a stick in your ass and up's your fine, dumbass.
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06-14-2009, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kumbo1 A classic case of someone trying to play the law for a fool. Riiiight, "I just bought the car and it came like this" . You the idiot that had front tint. You have no right to call that cop out. You broke the law and now pay for it and man up. How you gonna apeal the ticket? | To be honest, my car came with front window tints. I purchased my car from New Type Mitsubishi but since my car is the last one in black in this specific trim, they had to bring it in from another dealer. When it came in, the sales told me that the car has window tints (didn't mention including the front) and asked if I'm ok with it, and I said yeah no problem. My car was brand new, so the other dealership must have tinted the glass.
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06-14-2009, 07:02 AM
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#62 | | I STILL don't get it
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Originally Posted by kumbo1 How the hell does the insurance reflect that? So the insurance covers your car for front tint? Do you use your car to haul jewelery or high valued goods? HAAHAHAHA, That is some funny ass shit. I smell bullshit on the part that "you just bought the car". It's people like you with blatant disregard for the law makes it bad for the rest of us. And I am not a sucker, as, I don't have front tint. You can't even have front tint for medical reasons. I hope the judge shoves a stick in your ass and up's your fine, dumbass. | Holy fuck you're dumber then a bag of bricks. My insurance reflected the fact i just bought the car, not the tint, which it did come with. Keep your gay fantasies about judges sodomizing people to yourself. Im sure you can find another forum that will be more excepting of your obvious homoerotic tendencies.
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06-14-2009, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by aznlangjai Oh, so you're tough now cause you stood up to a police officer. You're smart.
If the officer really had a reason of suspicion to search your vehicle, they will no matter what. If you can't tell if they're being serious, or just being a douche, then you shouldn't be so tough against a police officer.
1) You have to know, it's their job to do what they have to do when they get a disturbance call or whatever.
2) Most of the time they'll find nothing, so it wouldn't matter if it's an illegal search to them.
3) If they do find something illegal that has nothing to do with whatever they're dealing with, you're sent to court and probably get the charge off as an illegal search. The cop gets no record saying he's bad or anything, but yours will be on record forever, even if you are proven innocent.
4) If a police officer knows for sure you have a couple of kilo of coke in your trunk, they won't do an illegal search because they can get framed for planting in your car. They would think otherwise to do a search without warrant.
5) Sure, cops are not smart cause then they'd be a lawyer or judge, but they do know their game, what should and what shouldn't be dealt with. If it's a 17 year old driving with his N sign, you think they care if you have your rights? 99% of the time if they did do a search and find nothing, they're off free without a complain or hassle. The kid can grab his badge number and name, but what are the chances that the kid is gonna follow through and complain to the VPD or RCMP? If he does, would it even be that big of an issue? No.
So either way, when a cop wants to search your car, they will. They are not gonna back off because you have your rights. Unless your lawyer is sitting in your passenger seat. Most of the time in these situation, the cop wins. | Wow you really are more of a doormat than I thought.
from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms Quote: | 8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure. | Read that a couple times. Say it under your breath. Write it on the palm of your hand. Quote: |
1) You have to know, it's their job to do what they have to do when they get a disturbance call or whatever.
| This is a thread about abuse of police power. This being their job is NOT itself a valid justification for any search without warrant. Cops are not impartial. Quote: |
2) Most of the time they'll find nothing, so it wouldn't matter if it's an illegal search to them.
| This is such retarded logic. If it is an illegal search in the first place, then why not just avoid it all together. And if the majority of the time they will find nothing, then again why even bother searching.
And it will matter to you, when you're stuck with a shit ridden car after they have ravaged through it to find a 2 year old joint laying under your seat Quote: |
3) If they do find something illegal that has nothing to do with whatever they're dealing with, you're sent to court and probably get the charge off as an illegal search. The cop gets no record saying he's bad or anything, but yours will be on record forever, even if you are proven innocent.
| So why not avoid this all together and tell the officer you do not consent to a search. Do you really want to waste time heading to court and fight this off as an illegal search. Quote: |
4) If a police officer knows for sure you have a couple of kilo of coke in your trunk, they won't do an illegal search because they can get framed for planting in your car. They would think otherwise to do a search without warrant.
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5) Sure, cops are not smart cause then they'd be a lawyer or judge, but they do know their game, what should and what shouldn't be dealt with. If it's a 17 year old driving with his N sign, you think they care if you have your rights? 99% of the time if they did do a search and find nothing, they're off free without a complain or hassle. The kid can grab his badge number and name, but what are the chances that the kid is gonna follow through and complain to the VPD or RCMP? If he does, would it even be that big of an issue? No.
| Again, this proves cops are not impartial. In this case, with the 17yo rocking the N sign, they probably would search him knowing he would just be like you. He'd bend over backwards and let them search his car as well.
You don't need a lawyer to sit in your passenger seat to retain your rights. If you're balls havn't broken yet by the very sight of a police officer, simply tell them you don't consent to a search.
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06-14-2009, 10:37 AM
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06-14-2009, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by aznlangjai
Cream and KY jelly the police officer could care less because they won't get in that much trouble for. Until they do find your confidential documents, then you can approach to take action. But refusing to let the police search you if you're just a regular citizen will not work.
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Anything in my car , i will consider confidential and i dont need to be a engineer, accountant, doctor, lawyer etc to refuse a police officer from illegally searching my vehicle. Quote:
Originally Posted by aznlangjai Second, you're not suppose to have alcohol inside your car, whether it's closed bottle or open. You must stash it in the trunk, closed bottle.
| http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/...#FOUND-NOTHING
within the motor vehicle act, where does it state you must have it in the trunk ?
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| Hey guys so this is the Original thread starter, and this is seriously karma or something from hating on the cops.
Last night I went to a wedding and decided to leave a little early 12:25AM. I had a headlight burned out that afternoon and decided not to fix it. Right before I left the resturnant I told my gf as a joke, I have a feeling we might get pulled over so im going to drive super slow.
As I was about to exit the building of the resturant on alexandar road a cop drives by and makes a U turn and pulls me over right out of the resturant. LIKE HOLY FUCK u guys can only imagine what i was feeling. I don't even want to drive my car anymore to be honest. Anyways my license plates are bent and he gave me a huge ticket of 196 dollars..and again tried to ding me a ticket for being to low but it isn't I know the law about if your tire pops is your rim lower than the chassis, which it is.
now guys thats 2 days and a ticket of 109 + 198 = $307
My current position is im going to dispute the 109 dollar ticket(the cop that called me a superstar/celebrity) just cause I want to go to court and just piss him off by saying shit to the judge because i know thats the only place i can call him out on his character because i fuckin hate him lol
but as for the 198 ticket, i was wondering if im unemployed and i dont wanna dispute it is there anyway to pay the ticket in multiple payments? because I defn dont want to pay it all at once while im unemployed.
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06-14-2009, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SpoonFit Hey guys so this is the Original thread starter, and this is seriously karma or something from hating on the cops.
Last night I went to a wedding and decided to leave a little early 12:25AM. I had a headlight burned out that afternoon and decided not to fix it. Right before I left the resturnant I told my gf as a joke, I have a feeling we might get pulled over so im going to drive super slow.
As I was about to exit the building of the resturant on alexandar road a cop drives by and makes a U turn and pulls me over right out of the resturant. LIKE HOLY FUCK u guys can only imagine what i was feeling. I don't even want to drive my car anymore to be honest. Anyways my license plates are bent and he gave me a huge ticket of 196 dollars..and again tried to ding me a ticket for being to low but it isn't I know the law about if your tire pops is your rim lower than the chassis, which it is.
now guys thats 2 days and a ticket of 109 + 198 = $307
My current position is im going to dispute the 109 dollar ticket(the cop that called me a superstar/celebrity) just cause I want to go to court and just piss him off by saying shit to the judge because i know thats the only place i can call him out on his character because i fuckin hate him lol
but as for the 198 ticket, i was wondering if im unemployed and i dont wanna dispute it is there anyway to pay the ticket in multiple payments? because I defn dont want to pay it all at once while im unemployed. | Dispute both. If the cop doesn't show up on the 198 dollar one tell the judge that you are unemployed/student whatever and he will reduce the fine. I just got a ticket reduced the other day from 198 to 80 with the same bs. If the cop doesn't show then you will pay nothing!
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06-14-2009, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by aznlangjai Try not saying a single word next time you get pulled over and are asked to step out of the car. Chances are they will let you go, unless they really really want to arrest you knowing that you have commited a crime somewhere. | sounds like im setting myself up for some mace in the face =\ Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoonFit ..and again tried to ding me a ticket for being to low but it isn't I know the law about if your tire pops is your rim lower than the chassis, which it is. | really?? ive never even heard of that, does it actually work?
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06-14-2009, 03:49 PM
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having your car judged as being too low is not only measured by your ground clearance. your headlights also have a minumum height requirement as does the wheel well clearance.
signs of tire rub is enough to get you towed.
don't want tickets, make sure your car complies with the motor vehicle code. otherwise stop fucking complaining.
as for window tint on the front windows, it's legal if you have a medical condition that requires it.
its not legal just because you want to look gangster.
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Originally Posted by Volvo-brickster | It doesn't but to prevent you from drinking and driving, the cop will either take your alcohol away or ask you to put it in the trunk. Depends if they're a jackass or not.
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Originally Posted by SpoonFit Anyways my license plates are bent and he gave me a huge ticket of 196 dollars.. | bent a little or bent a lot just showing the #'s ?
thast brutal
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Originally Posted by Sean@Home Holy fuck you're dumber then a bag of bricks. My insurance reflected the fact i just bought the car, not the tint, which it did come with. Keep your gay fantasies about judges sodomizing people to yourself. Im sure you can find another forum that will be more excepting of your obvious homoerotic tendencies. | No sir, you're the fucking dumbass. Just because your car "came like that" does not give you the right to have your front window tinted. What if my car came with missile launchers mounted under the headlights a la Bond car?
I sense the court proceedings will be somewhat like this:
You: I bought the car and the front windows came tinted.
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You: *confused look*
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Originally Posted by Sean@Home Holy fuck you're dumber then a bag of bricks. My insurance reflected the fact i just bought the car, not the tint, which it did come with. Keep your gay fantasies about judges sodomizing people to yourself. Im sure you can find another forum that will be more excepting of your obvious homoerotic tendencies. | So why didn't you take off the illegal tint as soon you got the car? only takes 2 minutes with a razor blade. Or you think it's cool with illegal front tint, stupid ricer.
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Originally Posted by Volvo-brickster bent a little or bent a lot just showing the #'s ?
thast brutal | He probably bent the plates that only the numbers are showing. what an idiot.  | |
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Back when I was in highschool, my social studies teacher had our school constable come in and talk to us about his job, our rights and such.
He was saying that if he pulled somebody over and he had any suspicion that they had something in the vehicle that shouldn't be in there, he would search it illegal or not.
His(the constable) reason being, if he found some drugs, a gun, or anything like that, even if it was an illegal search, that's 1 less gun, 1 less drug of whatever sort off the streets.
That constable was a dick though. lol
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