B.C. Introduces New Drinking and Driving Penalties

[gilllgamesh]

Its not over yet. That's why I'm all for good ID and a true sobriety test.
This is a real tough one.
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[gilllgamesh]

Btw. Slamming the brake at 45 should be under 2 car lengths.
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[welfare]

i think part of the problem is the margin, which after a drink or two can become lost in perception. i mean, it is the desired effect. to remove consequence and cloud judgment. i dunno. maybe just make the limit 0. get rid of the gray area.
sounds harsh, i know. but so is the aftermath of this problem

[zulutango]

[QUOTE=taylor192;6927669]Here's a hint that the officers on here can verify:

The breathalyzers in the vehicles do not work well if you've just had a drink. They'll register a higher value cause of the recent booze in your mouth. Thus if you're ever worried about blowing over, mention you just had a drink and they'll give you a 15 min grace period.


If the driver admits to consuming I always ask them how long it has been since their last drink. If it's less than 15 minutes, we wait. To blow sooner could give an artificially high reading. In practical terms it's gone in about 5 minutes. You will be under observation in the PC while waiting so that you do not take anything that could influence the readings. Alcohol based mouthwash is used in training to give a fake "fail" reading but in a couple of minutes it's back to normal. I don't want to waste my time or yours. It's to your advantage to tell the truth and not waste a couple of hours back at the Cop shop and have your car towed & impounded.

[Soundy]

Hey zulu, are blood tests taken to confirm breathalyzer readings as well?

If so, seems to me that slugging a quick one to screw up the breathalyzer, would come back to bite you if you have to give a blood sample later, when THAT extra alcohol has had time to work its way into your system...

[zulutango]

Not in Canada. I did a ridealong in New Zealand with buddies there and a DWI gets 1 sample on the datamaster and 1 blood sample taken by a qualified person at the Cop shop. Sure gets rid of all the lawyer stuff. If you have a DL there you must agree to random breath testing...don't agree, no problem, no DL. US, Australia, Europe,...most other countries have the same condition. Sure cuts thru all the bs we have to wade thru here in Canada.

[Tegra_Devil]

i fully respect the new penalties...hopefully it leads to less innocent people that have to be scraped off the street

[What_the?]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Please stop driving. You're not intelligent enough to be behind the wheel.

The rule of thumb (ROT) is 1 drink takes 1 hour to work its way through the body. Adjust accordingly if you're a small or large person.

Anyone that has 10 drinks is impaired, whether they feel it or not is just how used they are too being that drunk that often.

My 2 cents on this one... rule of thumb should actually be more like it takes 2 hours for the drink to fully work it's way out of your system. As a very broad generalization, you're looking at a drink raising your blood alcohol level to 0.03, and your body can breakdown about 0.015 per hour...

Again, this is highly dependent on the person, their genetic makeup, the drink, size of drink, etc...

[underscore]

Sorry I'm not familiar with downtown Van but aren't there any cheapish hotels/motels/whatever down there? Drive down, split one of those with a few people and you get a place to crash plus a place to park your car.

Personally I like all this new stuff, I have a few friends who drink and drive quite often and it pisses me off to no end as I've seen the bad results of drinking and driving several times. Maybe telling them it's gonna run them $4k if they get caught will wise them up.

Originally Posted by penner2k

I've gone out a couple times not really expecting to drink and ended up having friends buying shots and drinks for me. End of the night I'd think I was fine but once I actually started driving I would realize I wasnt. The problem is if I leave my car downtown it will get towed in the morning so not only am I having to pay towing fees but also a $70 cab ride home. If the skytrain had been running late I wouldnt have ever even drove downtown in the first place since once you factor in gas and parking the skytrain would be cheaper...
I'm not trying to say it wasnt my fault for being dumb and driving anyways since it was. But the system they have in place right now is really dumb.

The key is to turn down the free drinks because you're driving... I do it quite often cause I seem to always end up the DD

[mkchoi0801]

For fuck's sakes, the more I read on this forum, the more ridiculous it gets.
All people argued here was the fact that we have crappy transit system after-hours. I'm certain most, if not all, agree to this.
Yet some of you ignorant fuckers are too ignorant and are tackling them for whatever reason, you have yet to argue back. The correct way to argue back is saying that we actually have a reasonable system if you haven't noticed. WHICH YOU HAVE NOT.
Let's face it, we're all humans prone to mistakes. We all like to have a drink with friends and all. But oh no, there are no buses or skytrains. Not to mention my house is an hour walk from the nearest bus stop anyways. I don't see any taxis, but it'll cost me $100 to get home. Wheee how convenient is that?
And to that guy that mentioned a country with death penalty for DUI. FUCK YOU, you can go live in that shit hole of a country, let me guess, is it some random third world country? DING DONG.
You can keep wishing that harsher penalties will reduce DUI, but psychology taught us that if we get a ticket for speeding, we don't learn to stop speeding, instead we learn where not to speed. So unless you have this plan to change the human nature, don't argue that this isn't a huge cash grab.
/rant

[aznrsx1979]

I'm all for these tougher penalties. Whatever it takes to get idiots who think they can handle it.

Before I turned 21, I'd known 3 guys killed by drunk drivers and no they weren't the ones that were drunk. 1 guy was waiting for a bus and the other 2 guys were killed by drunk drivers crossing over the median and going into oncoming traffic.

[q0192837465]

I dun drink, so I couldnt care less about stiffer penalties. lol

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by aznrsx1979

I'm all for these tougher penalties. Whatever it takes to get idiots who think they can handle it.

Before I turned 21, I'd known 3 guys killed by drunk drivers and no they weren't the ones that were drunk. 1 guy was waiting for a bus and the other 2 guys were killed by drunk drivers crossing over the median and going into oncoming traffic.

When I was in high school (more years about than I want to admit), I knew plenty of kids and their families who were injured or killed by drunk drivers... sometimes themselves, sometimes others. My brother's best friend in high school was killed when a drunk crossed the center line and hit him on his bike. So yeah, I agree with you.

Originally Posted by mkchoi0801

You can keep wishing that harsher penalties will reduce DUI, but psychology taught us that if we get a ticket for speeding, we don't learn to stop speeding, instead we learn where not to speed. So unless you have this plan to change the human nature, don't argue that this isn't a huge cash grab.

Of course it is: it's grabbing the cash from the idiots who are too stupid to plan ahead for other ways to get home. If you know transit doesn't run late, then don't party late. If you know you'll have to use a cab, call and book one in advance. It really doesn't take a lot of brains.

And look at it this way: even if it doesn't change human nature, it will at least keep the serious drunks off the roads a little longer. Someone under the old rules could get busted for a suspected DUI, get the 24-hour roadside, and be back out drunk again the next night. Now they're off the road for at least a few days... like, until AFTER the long weekend. Any way you look at it, it's safer for the rest of us.

I'd like to inject a quote from another thread, as well, because it fits here:

Originally Posted by freakshow

mkchoi0801, one day, when you graduate from school, come back and reread your posts, and you'll see how ridiculous they are

[no_clue]

wow this guy does not take into account any risk or liabilities

mkchoi, I hope you get drunk and smash your moms bmw/benz into a pedestrian. Start crying when ICBC denies your insurance and that person sues you for 3 million+ and your family goes bankrupt. Watch your dad deport you to the Korean army for 2 years.

[mkchoi0801]

You can start spamming all the bullshit you want here man, but that's not gonna happen. I never mentioned anything about taking a pro- drink and drive side. Was I the one charged with DUI here? I must have missed something????
I never said anything about myself drinking and driving yet you gather around like a pack of homeless dogs. You still haven't constructed your argument yet, there are numerous countries that have far superior transit system that runs late to all locations. WTF is a bus for if I have to walk 90 minutes to catch one? Think about it for a second, my argument was that if Canada had a more convenient system that allowed drunk people to get home at later times to different places, there would be less drunk drivers. What's yours?

[mkchoi0801]

Originally Posted by no_clue

wow this guy does not take into account any risk or liabilities

mkchoi, I hope you get drunk and smash your moms bmw/benz into a pedestrian. Start crying when ICBC denies your insurance and that person sues you for 3 million+ and your family goes bankrupt. Watch your dad deport you to the Korean army for 2 years.

Getting a little personal are we now
I don't know the exact statistics of drunk drivers involved in an accident compared to drunk drivers caught by officers, and before you rage on this post, just chill out and listen for a change.
Imagine that you were drunk and considering driving. What are the odds that you'd risk your OWN life to drive? If I was ever caught drinking and driving, it'll be by a cop, not in an accident. Think before you spew out more shit out of your ass please, thanks and come again.

[EXV603]

i do agree with mkchoi that our transit system sucks.

[4chinit]

Originally Posted by mkchoi0801

Getting a little personal are we now
I don't know the exact statistics of drunk drivers involved in an accident compared to drunk drivers caught by officers, and before you rage on this post, just chill out and listen for a change.
Imagine that you were drunk and considering driving. What are the odds that you'd risk your OWN life to drive? If I was ever caught drinking and driving, it'll be by a cop, not in an accident. Think before you spew out more shit out of your ass please, thanks and come again.

Your risk assessment is impaired when you're drunk.

[goo3]

Originally Posted by mkchoi0801

You can keep wishing that harsher penalties will reduce DUI, but psychology taught us that if we get a ticket for speeding, we don't learn to stop speeding, instead we learn where not to speed. So unless you have this plan to change the human nature, don't argue that this isn't a huge cash grab.
/rant

That's the point. You've obviously never taken psychology.

[threezero]

i was going to say i agree with mkchoi about our lousy transit system but i got lost reading the rest of his stuff. I think you should take your rants to xanga because all it does is take away from your argument and allow others to make fun of you.

[mkchoi0801]

So no one has argued anything in this thread. Keep reading selectively and make fun of sarcastic points that I did make. You guys are hilarious, never change

[mkchoi0801]

Originally Posted by 4chinit

Your risk assessment is impaired when you're drunk.

That's the whole point. There's a massive difference when I had 2 beers compared to when I chugged a mickey of vodka. I'm way more likely to drink and drive when I had the 2 beers, and also less likely to get involved in an accident.

If you buy a lotto ticket, do you assume that you are going to win every time? Probably not, but you're probably going to assume that you have a higher chance of winning the smaller winnings. That's the reason I play lotto.
The chances are certainly there, getting in an accident while you're drunk. All I was saying is that there's a much higher chance of just getting caught by a cop. Even getting away with nothing but maybe a scratch on your bumper. That would be the reason I'd drink and drive, if I ever did.

I probably just made another ridiculous analogy, at 7:30AM, but let's see how you tools respond again. Please answer by saying, you don't kill anyone by playing lotto, or something of equivalent stupidity.

[mkchoi0801]

Originally Posted by goo3

That's the point. You've obviously never taken psychology.

I don't get it? We don't learn jack shit from those tickets, that's proven. What are you trying to argue.

[hotjoint]

Anyone get busted yet?

[mkchoi0801]

Hey how about saying something instead of failing big guy