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aznrsx1979 · 07-05-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mkchoi0801

I don't get it? We don't learn jack shit from those tickets, that's proven. What are you trying to argue.

Well I'm sure people will learn their lesson if they're going to be paying $3750 to get their car back and have their license suspended for 3 months. I doubt a lot of people can afford to pay that often and not have the ability to drive especially if they need to for work. The penalties are even more if there's an accident involved.

vafanculo · 07-06-2010, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mkchoi0801

That's the whole point. There's a massive difference when I had 2 beers compared to when I chugged a mickey of vodka. I'm way more likely to drink and drive when I had the 2 beers, and also less likely to get involved in an accident.

If you buy a lotto ticket, do you assume that you are going to win every time? Probably not, but you're probably going to assume that you have a higher chance of winning the smaller winnings. That's the reason I play lotto.
The chances are certainly there, getting in an accident while you're drunk. All I was saying is that there's a much higher chance of just getting caught by a cop. Even getting away with nothing but maybe a scratch on your bumper. That would be the reason I'd drink and drive, if I ever did.

I probably just made another ridiculous analogy, at 7:30AM, but let's see how you tools respond again. Please answer by saying, you don't kill anyone by playing lotto, or something of equivalent stupidity.

I know it's just an analogy, but when you play lotto you are risking only your money. When you drink and drive, even just 2 beers, you are not just risking your money (assuming you blow over), but more importantly jeopardizing other drivers on the road.

If you don't play the lotto, you have NO CHANCE of winning. If you drink and drive, you have a CHANCE of 1) getting caught 2) killing someone. Why take that chance? I wouldn't care if it's just your life on the line, but unfortunately I know alot of loved ones, including myself, that have to share the road with people that have your mentality. Don't be like that other idiot who posted up a thread about fully knowing he was driving while prohibited, got caught, and is now shitting his pants.
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Soundy · 07-06-2010, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mkchoi0801

I don't get it? We don't learn jack shit from those tickets, that's proven. What are you trying to argue.

What mean "we," white man?

I'd suggest that the vast number of tickets handed out - for any infractions, not just drinking and driving - compared to the relatively few stories we see in the news of the CHRONIC re-offenders, proves that most people DO "learn their lesson". Unfortunately, the only time you hear about it is the stories of the ones who refuse to clue in - doesn't mean it's not having the desired effect for the rest of society.

Greenstoner · 07-06-2010, 11:21 AM

Should offer cheap hotels in vancouver or cheap cab home.

Soundy · 07-06-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenstoner

Should offer cheap hotels in vancouver or cheap cab home.

Great idea... who's going to "offer" these? You expect the hotels and cabs are going to take the hit out of the goodness of their collective hearts? Perhaps you could suggest that the cops subsidize them out of their own paychecks?

Greenstoner · 07-06-2010, 06:44 PM

^ they will probably make more money if you think about it
how many hotel in downtown is full on a daily basis ? This will generate their revenue thats for sure.

Soundy · 07-06-2010, 07:13 PM

^To be offset by the cleanup costs - you ever seen the back of the average cab after a drunken fare??

91LS-VTak · 07-06-2010, 08:27 PM

People have to remember that driving is a privilege, not a right. If you abuse the rules, you should have that privilege taken away from you. Personally, i think that if you're caught drinking and driving once, you should lose your license for a year. The second time, lifetime ban. Or maybe have the igintion breathalyzer thing installed for a long time, something harsh.

RiceIntegraRS · 07-07-2010, 06:22 AM

^i dont think many of us are complaining about the penalties that are being imposed for drunk driving. My arguement is the how they deem someone too drunk to drive. EVERYONE is aloud to Drink and Drive, You just cant be impaired and driving. The breathalyzer is all over the map from the stories i hear from my friends and personal experience. And now the punishment for having a warning is the same as the old .08 punishment.

As for our Transit systems, We have safe injection sites for those few people that like to shoot up yet we dont have our transit systems running late for the people(and its alot of us) who like to drink. And theres not 1 person who will complain about it running late if it means less impaired drivers on the road. But in BC that means someone has to pay for that and thats us cause Government will never pay for something we do want and need.

Soundy · 07-07-2010, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS

^i dont think many of us are complaining about the penalties that are being imposed for drunk driving. My arguement is the how they deem someone too drunk to drive. EVERYONE is aloud to Drink and Drive, You just cant be impaired and driving. The breathalyzer is all over the map from the stories i hear from my friends and personal experience. And now the punishment for having a warning is the same as the old .08 punishment.

You're contradicting yourself - you say few are complaining about the penalties, but then you sound like you ARE complaining about them.

The breathalyzer doesn't test how "impaired" you are, it tests the percentage of alcohol in your blood. It's not "all over the map", it's a long-proven and refined technology that's deemed "accurate enough" by just about every jurisdiction in the world.

We're told a larger person can drink more without getting drunk, and whaddya know, a bigger person will have more blood and thus require more alcohol to reach the same BAC.

Your impairment goes away as your body metabolizes the alcohol, and surprise surprise, your BAC goes down as well.

Unfortunately there's no OBJECTIVE way to actually test "impairment" so the next best option is testing BAC and setting a hard limit.

The limits haven't changed; all that's changed is the legal consequences.