Philippine hostage-taking

[!SG]

if you have lived there as you said you have, then you would know there is alot of hatred in the community. not everyone, but there are some true blood filipino's that dispise chinese, and even fil chi's (filipino chinese). like, i get it. i think it was the same in indonesia when the locals went crazy and started rioting against all the foreign asian investors, business owners, saying they are taking away jobs and exploiting the country.

I really wasnt aware of this hostage incident on monday. my co workers were talking about it, and one of my co workers blurted something out. he's true blood filipino, i think he's only been here for just over 5 years or so. but hearing from his reaction and voice, i sensed he sided with the gunman. he even blurted that possibly some of the hostages deserved it. i really had no clue what he was talking about til monday night when i saw this on the news. sigh.

RIP to those that died.

is it me, or are the police/officials/ppl in power, overseas in asian countries more concerned with what ppl see and what they can censor, rather than doing the right thing?

Originally Posted by palepilsenpin0y

I'm Half Chinese and Half Filipino. Was born and raised in the Philz all my life (before quite recently moving here) so I will do anything to back-up my country.

However, what I witnessed from this whole thing was really really embarrassing on my country's part, and was overall a very tragic event. There are no excuses for all the mistakes and short-comings our law enforcement teams have done.

Watched pretty much the whole thing live via CNN stream and it really made me cringe at the fact that there were so many things that the Philippine S.W.A.T. team or whoever, could have done to prevent the number casualties..

Here's a BBC article titled "Ten things the Philippines bus siege police got wrong" ---> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11069616

The Philippines is not a perfect place. In fact, it's pretty safe to say that it's very far from it. I'm just afraid of the backlash my country will receive (or is currently receiving) as a result of this. I can't blame Hong Kong for getting pissed at the Philippines, but honestly, one man and very poor hostage-situation handling from their part shouldn't generalize how my country is.

Despite the fact that I've only read the first and last two pages of this thread, from what I have gathered, I appreciate how most, if not, all of you have treated this manner in a mature way. Without all that "teh philipenz suckz a$s" bullshit.

And for that, you guys have my sincere thanks.


R.I.P. to everyone who fell victim that day..

[7seven]

What a colossal fuck up by the Philippine's police and so called SWAT team

I got a call last night from one of my clients who had a vacation to Boracay booked in a couple weeks with her family and the original plan was for me to provide them with 2 private security personnel for the duration of their stay, last night she request a team of 5 because of the whole bus hostage situation. This morning I get a call again saying they're just going to cancel their vacation to Boracay and go to Belize haha.

[TRDood]

Originally Posted by 7seven

What a colossal fuck up by the Philippine's police and so called SWAT team

I got a call last night from one of my clients who had a vacation to Boracay booked in a couple weeks with her family and the original plan was for me to provide them with 2 private security personnel for the duration of their stay, last night she request a team of 5 because of the whole bus hostage situation. This morning I get a call again saying they're just going to cancel their vacation to Boracay and go to Belize haha.

Cool, does that mean you always get to travel with your clients all over the world? And probably your team of five is more effective than the whole philippines SWAT and police force.

Especially with this picture...
http://www.revscene.net/forums/attac...1&d=1282654889

[hotjoint]

Originally Posted by 7seven

What a colossal fuck up by the Philippine's police and so called SWAT team

I got a call last night from one of my clients who had a vacation to Boracay booked in a couple weeks with her family and the original plan was for me to provide them with 2 private security personnel for the duration of their stay, last night she request a team of 5 because of the whole bus hostage situation. This morning I get a call again saying they're just going to cancel their vacation to Boracay and go to Belize haha.

thats hilarious

[7seven]

Originally Posted by TRDood

Cool, does that mean you always get to travel with your clients all over the world? And probably your team of five is more effective than the whole philippines SWAT and police force.

Especially with this picture...
http://www.revscene.net/forums/attac...1&d=1282654889

Yup, when contracted for events and vacations, we travel with the client.

haha, I'll tell you this much, we're far better equipped than the Philippines police department.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

pretty insane on what happened, RIP to those innocent that got killed in this rampage

[SkinnyPupp]

Think they gave the press too much access during the hostage incident?

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=465664440627
Here they are opening the caskets of the victims to take pictures of the dead bodies (watch at 0:20)

Fucking disgusting.

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by 7seven

Yup, when contracted for events and vacations, we travel with the client.

haha, I'll tell you this much, we're far better equipped than the Philippines police department.

[jmvdesign]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Think they gave the press too much access during the hostage incident?

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=465664440627

Here they are opening the caskets of the victims to take pictures of the dead bodies (watch at 0:20)

Fucking disgusting.

This is pretty common there. There has always been a lack of censorship in the Philippine media. I remember as a kid I'd see the news agencies showing full crime scenes with dead bodies uncovered being televised on afternoon news.

[neggo]

Originally Posted by !SG

I really wasnt aware of this hostage incident on monday. my co workers were talking about it, and one of my co workers blurted something out. he's true blood filipino, i think he's only been here for just over 5 years or so. but hearing from his reaction and voice, i sensed he sided with the gunman. he even blurted that possibly some of the hostages deserved it. i really had no clue what he was talking about til monday night when i saw this on the news. sigh.

Quite surprising that a Filipino person feels that way. Everyone Filipino I've talked to has admitted to blaming the Philippine government, police, and the hostage taker. All of them were pissed. Your co-worker is a retard if he really thinks that way.

[neggo]

Originally Posted by jmvdesign

This is pretty common there. There has always been a lack of censorship in the Philippine media. I remember as a kid I'd see the news agencies showing full crime scenes with dead bodies uncovered being televised on afternoon news.

I remember seeing a broadcast of a guy running towards the police, swinging his machete with him ending up being shot dead by like 10 police.

News there is completely different from how it is here.

[CP.AR]

Don't hate the people, just the gov't /PD

[iamon]

As a Filipino i am embarrassed of what happened and how it transpired. The lack of censorship is probably a result of years of media censorship under the Marcos regime and martial law being introduced. In recent years there has been more and more controversy about censorship in the media because of the past president's dealings and covering it up in the media. The new president Benigno Aquino is the son of Ninoy Aquino who faught for de-censorship of the media and was killed by Marcos for trying to allow the people to know what was going on. The new president has called for more transparency in the media to build confidence in the filipino people that the government has nothing to hide from them. If the president did call for a media blackout it would repeat what Marcos had done years before and thus turning his back against the filipino people who voted him in. This problem also ties in with the repetitive corruption from president to president which has filled the pockets of their closest allies but has also taken away from the funding for public servants such as police and military personnel. This is probably why as many of you have noted that their tactics were questionable and looked like they were unable to handle the situation correctly. Training the correct personnel takes money and that money hasn't been going to the right people for years. My uncle was a cop in the Philippines and his wage wasn't enough to support his family.

[Gt-R R34]

Originally Posted by !SG

if you have lived there as you said you have, then you would know there is alot of hatred in the community. not everyone, but there are some true blood filipino's that dispise chinese, and even fil chi's (filipino chinese). like, i get it. i think it was the same in indonesia when the locals went crazy and started rioting against all the foreign asian investors, business owners, saying they are taking away jobs and exploiting the country.

I really wasnt aware of this hostage incident on monday. my co workers were talking about it, and one of my co workers blurted something out. he's true blood filipino, i think he's only been here for just over 5 years or so. but hearing from his reaction and voice, i sensed he sided with the gunman. he even blurted that possibly some of the hostages deserved it. i really had no clue what he was talking about til monday night when i saw this on the news. sigh.

RIP to those that died.

is it me, or are the police/officials/ppl in power, overseas in asian countries more concerned with what ppl see and what they can censor, rather than doing the right thing?

Yup, I known true blood flips that have the same feeling towards chinese, but those are usually in the 40s+ or just recently immigrated. The ones that have been here for a long time or born and raised, don't have that feeling towards us as others

[hk20000]

Originally Posted by TRD2005

As a Filipino i am embarrassed of what happened and how it transpired. The lack of censorship is probably a result of years of media censorship under the Marcos regime and martial law being introduced. In recent years there has been more and more controversy about censorship in the media because of the past president's dealings and covering it up in the media. The new president Benigno Aquino is the son of Ninoy Aquino who faught for de-censorship of the media and was killed by Marcos for trying to allow the people to know what was going on. The new president has called for more transparency in the media to build confidence in the filipino people that the government has nothing to hide from them....blah blah blah

Media blackout to politics is not in anyway related to tactical media blackout in an attempt to save hostages.

[bcedhk]

the president aquino fucker should just get shot too.

smiling while doing an interview abou the incident and smiling when arriving at the scene? wtf.. and his lame excuse was that he smiles when he is fustrated..

[ecchiecchi]

Originally Posted by Noir

It's not powered by selfishness but rather everyone's innate instinct to survive. Look at the animal kingdom and even at your most carnivorous of predators. Majority of them would rather flight > fight when encountered by a predator more dangerous than they are. Think of bears, snakes, leopards, et al. Hell, there are even some animals that pretend to be dead as a survival tool.

I can understand Ulic's bravado as the guy has an army background but to expect that from your average joe because it is what you expect of yourself..... Get real dude.

In fact, if we were in a hostage situation together and I see you agitating the hostage taker with your aspirations of heroics, I'd tell you to STFU and sit down. Ask any police squad or hostage negotiator what kind of hostage they prefer. If the risks of casualties are greater with compliant hostages or out-of-control hostages.

You have to remember, it may play out as heroics in your mind, but ultimately, you're not just gambling with your life, but you've also decided to gamble others.


Too much hollywood movies for you my friend.

Hollywood? Not so much- It's just the way that I think. If I was face to face with a lion and had no way of escaping, I'd fight instead of run away. Did anyone in the bus had a means to escape? Not really- Wait... Actually, when the guy was releasing hostages, he wasn't even holding his gun. I would've taken that chance.

Let me just say this- My selfishness inclines me to fight back. Only doing so after thoroughly thinking about what to do. You have to be an idiot to just jump without a plan.

It's not about being a hero or not. I honestly don't give a flying fuck. It's more about doing something to ensure your survival and helping ensure everyone else's.

If you were face to face with a wild animal that's about to maul your family to death and it gave an opening for you to disable it, you're telling me you'd just sit there and play dead?

And also, knowing from experience how incompetent the police force in Philippines are, I'd probably come to the conclusion 30 mins in that I'd have a better chance of surviving if I did something.

[iamon]

Originally Posted by hk20000

Media blackout to politics is not in anyway related to tactical media blackout in an attempt to save hostages.

Its just an idea i threw out that may have been a reason, I agree with you that it would have been a good idea to blackout the media. Theres alot of things that should have been done differently and we don't really know what would have happened if one thing was done or another. It is f-d up.

[ecchiecchi]

Originally Posted by TRD2005

Its just an idea i threw out that may have been a reason, I agree with you that it would have been a good idea to blackout the media. Theres alot of things that should have been done differently and we don't really know what would have happened if one thing was done or another. It is f-d up.

Couldn't they just have put up a signal jammer around the bus? I can easily buy signal jammers off the internet so I assume the police force would have easier access to such things.

[iamon]

who knows if the cops even thought of that. what I am afraid of is retaliation. There is a lot of anger over this and it may be directed to filipino's just because they are filipino. I am filipino and I am part chinese (my mom's half). There are many filipinos who work in HK and now there is talk that there may be retaliation. Does this incident change your feelings or attitude towards filipino's in general?

[will068]

Originally Posted by Captain Picard

Don't hate the people, just the gov't /PD

This.

To the HK Nationals out there. If you would voice your anger/resentment, please don't place it against the Filipino citizens. If you ask around your Filipino friends, they are probably even more angry than you are and surely are much more embarrassed as well.

Voice it out against the Philippine Government. Have your HK officials chastise the Government to the max and have them accountable for this. You know why ? Because the Philippine Government will use the local Police as a scape goat of a shitty job and probably just weep this under the rug in a year. Yeah it was shitty job, but when you don't pay the Police enough, ration their supplies, and go cheap on their training, this is what you get. You reap what you sow.

The police gets paid $300 USD a month. They are only provided a small supply of bullets per month. If they finish that, the police have to shoulder their own cost for extra bullets. That is around $65 a box. That's 20% of their salary right there. Ridiculous isn't it ?

And it's bullshit that the Government will claim that there isn't enough funding. If the public officials stop stealing government funds, there should be enough to boost the WHOLE public sector of jobs in every industry.

Keep in mind the last 2 presidents alone plundered more than $300 million USD. That's just the Presidents. The other officials in other levels of government do the same thing. If you voice out against them, they will just hire the underpaid cops/soldiers to shut you up.

[will068]

Originally Posted by !SG

if you have lived there as you said you have, then you would know there is alot of hatred in the community. not everyone, but there are some true blood filipino's that dispise chinese, and even fil chi's (filipino chinese). like, i get it. i think it was the same in indonesia when the locals went crazy and started rioting against all the foreign asian investors, business owners, saying they are taking away jobs and exploiting the country.

I really wasnt aware of this hostage incident on monday. my co workers were talking about it, and one of my co workers blurted something out. he's true blood filipino, i think he's only been here for just over 5 years or so. but hearing from his reaction and voice, i sensed he sided with the gunman. he even blurted that possibly some of the hostages deserved it. i really had no clue what he was talking about til monday night when i saw this on the news. sigh.

RIP to those that died.

is it me, or are the police/officials/ppl in power, overseas in asian countries more concerned with what ppl see and what they can censor, rather than doing the right thing?

That's what I hate in the Philippines. Being Filipino is not a race, it's a nationality. With the Philippines being a colonized territory for over 400 years, it does not have a concrete racial identity. It's like saying - being Canadian. Hell, the current president has Chinese Blood in him if you want to be that technical. The National Hero is Chinese+White (Spanish). The current Ms. Philippines for Miss Universe 2010 is half East Indian. And yes, all these folks classify themselves as Filipinos regardless of what they look like.

True blood Filipinos ? Who classifies themselves as that. Your coworker is indeed an idiot for saying that.

The only True Blood Filipinos are the aboriginals that are actually of the Malay Race and are treated like shit by everyone in the Philippines and are too poor to get out of their rural areas they reside at ( consistent with the the folks you see in the Indonesian archipelago, Malaysian Peninsula, and perhaps the aboriginals in Australia ).

[!SG]

yeah i know. i have friends of all races and backgrounds. its the recent immigrated ones that seem to have the most prejudice judgements.

Originally Posted by Gt-R R34

Yup, I known true blood flips that have the same feeling towards chinese, but those are usually in the 40s+ or just recently immigrated. The ones that have been here for a long time or born and raised, don't have that feeling towards us as others

[iamon]

even jackie chan is asking not to hate on people:

In his verified Twitter account http://twitter.com/EyeOfJackieChan , the actor said, “HK is a nation built by a lot of different people...don’t worry! We do not hate!”

“This kind of things always happens around the world. It happens to HK’s people. The whole HK is talking about it. It’s really sad.”

“If they killed the guy sooner, they will say why not negotiate first? If they negotiate first, they ask why not kill the guy sooner? So sad.”

[dinamix]

WW3? HK vs. Philippines..do it!