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I totally agree with you that this is a random act and a logical person will understand that the tourist company cannot do anything to prevent this from happening.
Has 911 prevented me from flying? No.
But what I am saying is, that tourist company has been in HK for many years, the CEO will have some work in maintaining their public image and please the media. Plus, not everyone is rational, especially in HK.
Maybe a stretch comparison, but this has been proven with the Edison Chen case. To me, he is a hero for sleeping with so many girls. But for Hong Kong, they see it as a "scandal".
Regardless, it sucks to run into a crazy gunman while families are having a fun time.
The tour guide is the first one to call and break the news about the kidnapping, within a minute something went wrong.
I can't really see what the company can do, this time it is 100% the cops' fault, I mean, the vid speaks for itself.
Aquino said the news media may have worsened the situation by giving the shooter "a bird's-eye view of the entire situation," but said he had little choice but to let it play out the way it did. "If we ordered a news blackout, you would tell us we were guilty of censoring news," he said. "We did vow transparency."
what the fuck kinda reasoning is that?? i think temporarily censoring news is justified when peoples lives are at stake....
I still don't understand why are they molesting the bus instead of sniping or charge in... What's the point in hammering and breaking the windows? hostages may well be sitting that the window seats that when they throw in the hammers, the shattered glass may deal significant damage along with possibility of injuring or killing hostages by the hammer.
Really, when in a hostage event, you hear gun shots from within, that's already the worst case scenario, if they charge in, at least the suspect may most likely shoot at the attackers, which have bullet proof vests instead of what happened here, murdering innocent civilians. There should be more lighting to at least see through the curtains with shadows or light in front the the bus to see the suspect, and proceed to have sniper in front by the light that the suspect will be hard to notice the sniper.
- Mrs. Leung got rescued while her husband was killed
- When the hostages were forced to the back of the bus, her husband ran up and blocked the bullets as the gunman sprays
- However, at the same time, the SWAT team keep on shooting at the bus. The bullets even hit her seat.
- Mrs. Leung is not pleased with the flip SWAT team because they were being too slow
AppleDaily's whacky animated video is up. It looks like they are saying he flipped out after seeing his brother arrested on the news. I've never been on a bus that shows live TV...
Knowing the Philippines... most definitely. Fuck man... cops on a daily basis pull people over for no reason, just to extort a small amount of money from them.
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The majority of extravagant kidnapping cases are done by cops/soldiers to extort money. Blame all levels of government for nurturing this extreme level of corrupt environment for decades. From one of the best countries in Asia 50 years ago to one of the most poorest countries in the world today.
Fcking brutal in Phillipines. . . . soo many kidnapping scandals. Government there is corrupt to the max.
Vietnam has bad corruption too, although not as bad as phillipines. cops would come around every month to collect "tax".
wait... i don't get the 2 dozen bullet roles that riddled thru the windows near the end of the video. was this by the gunman or sniper? if it's the gunman, is it where he killed the 7 hostages? or was this after?
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I agree this is sad, but really think of it from the police and SWAT's perspective.
I hear people saying why don't you just snipe. Do you know how much decision making and red tape you have to go through?
Negotiator to his boss who's analyzing the situation, then to police and multiple commander in chief (SWAT, police, negotiation specialist) AND then you probably have to go through the president of Philippines.
Decisions are made ONLY at the very last moment when negotiation FAILS with a point of no return would there be an order to kill. That takes another good hour until that passes down million of levels until it reaches to the sniper and his "partner".
Then you'll have to do the math and consider the muzzle velocity on the equipment you have, the level of accuracy, the sub-MOA (Minute Of Angle)accuracy, rifle twist ratios and eg// bullets between 40 and 65 grains you have to compensate the tumble after penetrating a target.
We have to keep in mind these are REAL bullets we are talking about, this is not COD MW2. Stop flaming... and just be thankful.
To put this into perspective, imagine you're playing paintball and you tell me if you're really going to be Rambo and just rush in. These are real lives and not where you can insert more coins and continue.
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They should've just been like - "Ok you can have your job back!" ... then snag him when he leaves the bus.
this has gotta be the best idea.....
i mean not so much as to give his job back but give him an offer to re-establish his pension and clear his name of the extortion... but he will still need to goto jail for the hostages...
thats a believable compromise.... then when he comes out, shoot his ass...
^ lol but you have to think about how much shit people would give the government for lying like that. + future hostage situations wouldn't work at all because there's no trust anymore..
I agree this is sad, but really think of it from the police and SWAT's perspective.
I hear people saying why don't you just snipe. Do you know how much decision making and red tape you have to go through?
Negotiator to his boss who's analyzing the situation, then to police and multiple commander in chief (SWAT, police, negotiation specialist) AND then you probably have to go through the president of Philippines.
Decisions are made ONLY at the very last moment when negotiation FAILS with a point of no return would there be an order to kill. That takes another good hour until that passes down million of levels until it reaches to the sniper and his "partner".
Then you'll have to do the math and consider the muzzle velocity on the equipment you have, the level of accuracy, the sub-MOA (Minute Of Angle)accuracy, rifle twist ratios and eg// bullets between 40 and 65 grains you have to compensate the tumble after penetrating a target.
We have to keep in mind these are REAL bullets we are talking about, this is not COD MW2. Stop flaming... and just be thankful.
To put this into perspective, imagine you're playing paintball and you tell me if you're really going to be Rambo and just rush in. These are real lives and not where you can insert more coins and continue.
JUST BE THANKFUL????? For what?
A bunch of gung ho farmers playing SWAT, with a 50% hostage lives recovery rate?
It took them 45 min trying to get into the bus, and they still failed using farmer tools a hammer and an axe. Go see what the SWAT teams around the world are using to breach a bus.
IT WAS A FAILURE.
The only thing I'm THANKFUL for is it was a bus, and not a 747. Fuck.
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