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08-23-2010, 11:33 PM
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suppositly, a person died because the swat teams sleg hammer wacked someone in the head.
the swat/police team there is gonna get a lot of beating thats for sure.
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08-23-2010, 11:38 PM
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is that really a swat team? those guys look nervous as hell!
i bet half of the hostages were killed by the police
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08-23-2010, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BlacknJean  is that really a swat team? those guys look nervous as hell!
i bet half of the hostages were killed by the police | not surprisingly, it's possible.
apparently couple of the sniper's shots accidentally killed the window side passenger.
now there's a discussion stating that one of the sledge hammer accidentally slammed against the hostage's head..leading to his death.
all of this are still unconfirmed
yet those might be mysteries that will never be revealed 
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08-23-2010, 11:53 PM
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#79 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by BlacknJean is that really a swat team? those guys look nervous as hell!
i bet half of the hostages were killed by the police | well i guess you would be nervous as heck when your country's police lacks funding and training... just look, some of the dudes were holding battons... if this was the states, they would had decked out body armor, xray goggles and like robots...
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08-24-2010, 12:06 AM
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Many people apparently are going to wear black tomorrow (today the 24th...) to mourn the deaths...
I most likely will even when I'm mostly detached from HK and never plans to go back...
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08-24-2010, 12:36 AM
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Nobody is wearing black who wouldn't have been anyway.
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08-24-2010, 12:41 AM
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notice how everyone on this thread forgot about the negotiating, but focused on the nostalgic counter-strike type of action. some of you guys should fly over to phillipines with your expert knowledge and shoot first, ask questions later mentality
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08-24-2010, 01:10 AM
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wow it looks like the snipers just open fired without knowing where the target actually is..all this while in heavy rain too..
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08-24-2010, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe notice how everyone on this thread forgot about the negotiating, but focused on the nostalgic counter-strike type of action. some of you guys should fly over to phillipines with your expert knowledge and shoot first, ask questions later mentality | They did negotiate, it was going well until they arrested his brother as well, then it all went downhill.
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08-24-2010, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Solo_D33A They did negotiate, it was going well until they arrested his brother as well, then it all went downhill. | Whow, I missed this bit of the story. I thought he was assisting the negotiation process.
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08-24-2010, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Noir Whow, I missed this bit of the story. I thought he was assisting the negotiation process. | Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenDuang Senior Police Officer 2 Gregorio Mendoza, the brother of hostage-taking cop, joined the negotiations, urging him to surrender peacefully.
Gregorio walked away from the negotiations within five minutes, telling his brother "Walang mangyayari dito (Nothing will happen here)." | 5 whole Minutes.
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08-24-2010, 05:01 AM
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As if the poorly trained police weren't bad enough.. How about poorly equipped?
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08-24-2010, 05:12 AM
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#88 | | I STILL don't get it
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I see what they did there... hmm
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08-24-2010, 05:14 AM
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So you think they only destroyed the windows because that's where the signs were?
Hmmm
Apparently the police are directly responsible for 4 deaths, including one person being hit with the hammer.
I was actually thinking about the Philippines a few days ago, considering it for a vacation next month. But then I remembered what a shit hole everyone says Manila is (not saying anything about the people). Then this happens...
Yes it's an isolated incident for someone to go nuts and hijack a bus, but how they handled it is indicative of how the country is run, and that is the problem.
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08-24-2010, 05:25 AM
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#90 | | I STILL don't get it
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp So you think they only destroyed the windows because that's where the signs were?
Hmmm |
I don't really see a reason for it, might be just coincidence, nonetheless its an interesting fact.
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08-24-2010, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp So you think they only destroyed the windows because that's where the signs were?
Hmmm
Apparently the police are directly responsible for 4 deaths, including one person being hit with the hammer.
I was actually thinking about the Philippines a few days ago, considering it for a vacation next month. But then I remembered what a shit hole everyone says Manila is (not saying anything about the people). Then this happens...
Yes it's an isolated incident for someone to go nuts and hijack a bus, but how they handled it is indicative of how the country is run, and that is the problem. | Another illogical person invisiblesoul! 
It angers me that the police accounted for more than half of hostage deaths.
On the bus today, I was thinking how would Canadian forces react to an incident like this? hmmm.
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08-24-2010, 05:39 AM
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For one, they probably wouldn't have tried pulling a door open that can only be opened by pushing it.
And if they had decided to attack, it surely wouldn't have taken an hour.
The more I watch this, the more disappointed I am, in that the poorly trained police lead to more deaths rather than preventing them.
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08-24-2010, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Solo_D33A They did negotiate, it was going well until they arrested his brother as well, then it all went downhill. | Read on that chinanews forum yesterday that they have arrested his brother as well as his family, saying that they are part of this.
I guess that really pissed him off. However, Mendoza probably only killed the tour guide (for making a call) and 2 others.
Damn police killed 4! All members of the Leung family got killed except for the wife.
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08-24-2010, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp For one, they probably wouldn't have tried pulling a door open that can only be opened by pushing it.
And if they had decided to attack, it surely wouldn't have taken an hour.
The more I watch this, the more disappointed I am, in that the poorly trained police lead to more deaths rather than preventing them. | They also tried to enter from the back of the bus, but isn't the back the engine and completely blocked off? If they can't pull the front door open, the emergency door can be pulled out as well.
The tear gas was uncalled for. Thankfully when they "hear" all the hostages were killed, they didn't throw a grenade in there.
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08-24-2010, 05:51 AM
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#95 | | I STILL don't get it
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Originally Posted by TRDood They also tried to enter from the back of the bus, but isn't the back the engine and completely blocked off? If they can't pull the front door open, the emergency door can be pulled out as well.
| There was a window at the back, BUT even if they did manage to break it, they'll probably need a ladder or some levage to climb in (WHICH THEY DID NOT PREPARE / PLAN FOR)...whats the point? 
fucking dumb.
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08-24-2010, 07:02 AM
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#96 | | I don't get it
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp Nobody is wearing black who wouldn't have been anyway.
The Google logo at com.hk is white today with no explanation why. Posted via RS Mobile | The color white is the color for mourning/death for Chinese people.
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08-24-2010, 07:24 AM
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they are not swat
SWAT
Swat: We Are Trash
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08-24-2010, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 6793026 I agree this is sad, but really think of it from the police and SWAT's perspective.
I hear people saying why don't you just snipe. Do you know how much decision making and red tape you have to go through?
Negotiator to his boss who's analyzing the situation, then to police and multiple commander in chief (SWAT, police, negotiation specialist) AND then you probably have to go through the president of Philippines.
Decisions are made ONLY at the very last moment when negotiation FAILS with a point of no return would there be an order to kill. That takes another good hour until that passes down million of levels until it reaches to the sniper and his "partner".
Then you'll have to do the math and consider the muzzle velocity on the equipment you have, the level of accuracy, the sub-MOA (Minute Of Angle)accuracy, rifle twist ratios and eg// bullets between 40 and 65 grains you have to compensate the tumble after penetrating a target.
We have to keep in mind these are REAL bullets we are talking about, this is not COD MW2. Stop flaming... and just be thankful.
To put this into perspective, imagine you're playing paintball and you tell me if you're really going to be Rambo and just rush in. These are real lives and not where you can insert more coins and continue. | I bet you the police would've shot him the first chances they got (and they had plenty) if there weren't so many cameras and media attention pointing at it.
TBH, the gunman didn't seem that violent in the beginning...he let the elders and children leave, he stood unguarded in the open quite a few times...
i wonder what exactly triggered him to go on a bloodbath...i have a feeling it is something the police did...
it is sad watching the wife said how her entire family is now dead...
I think the police handled the situation extremely poorly...it is like they never had any plan in the first place...
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08-24-2010, 07:51 AM
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this is one effed up shit.
RIP to the unfortunate tourists.
anyway, for your future reference, the coutry's name is Philippines.
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08-24-2010, 08:06 AM
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I am thankful there were still people alive, the dude could have been a suicidal bomber etc. Don't get me wrong, YES, they handled this poorly, even the president said they didn't do such a good job negotiating and lack of equipment. The only issue I really want to see if how 'accurate' the report on how many bullets were shot by the police killing the hostages, (i'm going to take a stab and say zero)
Like most of you have said, he wasn't hostile at first, he did let hostages go therefore the president and the police commander in chief did not allow anyone to go shoot him. At situations like this, do you know how much heat you'll get if you were the one who decided to just shoot (without direct orders)? Not only would you get in shit for pulling a stunt to just try and shoot him but the consequences for not listening to orders....keep in mind the dude ain't Jack Bauer.
Anyone have the youtube video of a Chinese female negotiator who just went and shot the hostile even with the hostage on his arm while she was passing him a bottled water. (that scene would never happen in US / Canada)
I am not in SWAT but how else would you get into the bus? Flashbang? Gas grenade? You can't just rush into the bus. I would for someone to tell me WHEN the last time a sniper was credited to ending hostile hostage situation? It's extremely rare.
Lastly, there are 5 people with Canadian passports, The Leung's family I believe were mom, dad, brother and 2 daughters. The two daugthers were vacationing in Hk and decided to go to Philppines.
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