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jasonturbo 11-09-2010 11:07 AM

Great thread Dr.Mike,

Even if, worse case scenario the courts fail you and the money is lost forever, at least the thousands of people who read this thread will never get fucked by this little homo, or his little half homo girlfriend.

Thanks

DrMike 11-09-2010 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PuYang (Post 7179350)
i find it annoying he ends his emails with "please let me know".

let you know what???

"happy bday to your daughter.... please let me know".

wtf, do you want to know, you fricken pedo.

also lold at the picture comparisons with the autotrader ;p

as usual, i will continue to wish you luck drmike!

lol, that annoyed me too.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 7179351)
Great thread Dr.Mike,

Even if, worse case scenario the courts fail you and the money is lost forever, at least the thousands of people who read this thread will never get fucked by this little homo, or his little half homo girlfriend.

Thanks

Yep. I'm doing it so hopefully nobody else gets scammed by these losers. He better pray the courts don't fail me :)

1-Slicer-1 11-09-2010 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMike (Post 7179355)
He better pray the courts don't fail me :)

I like the sound of that.

essel 11-09-2010 03:28 PM

Thanks for the update, hopefully you can get your money back on top of getting this douche in prison.

DrMike 11-09-2010 04:42 PM

I read an update to a fraud case on offtopic.com. One of their members had a team of people selling tractors that didn't exist. Every time they got paid they wired the money to one of their moms who then cashed it and split it up between them. They've all been sitting in jail waiting for trial for wire fraud and money laundering.

rslater 11-09-2010 05:03 PM

Any word from the police? What about the police in LA?

DrMike 11-09-2010 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rslater (Post 7179766)
Any word from the police? What about the police in LA?

I haven't heard any updates from the police up there. No crime was committed from LA so no luck with them.

rslater 11-09-2010 06:24 PM

And if they put a warrent out for his arrest in vancouver, would that not constitute them being able to detain him?

J-Chow 11-10-2010 02:03 AM

in order to obtain a warrant, an officer must provide substantial evidence and information in relation to the case, upon a JP (justice of the peace), at which the police could then detain the mofo.

With what DrMike has provided, its quite obvious that a concensus that the information in front of us is quite substantial enough, but that is up to the police to decide.

I can imagine it now . . . the Fast and the Furious movie scene where johnny tran's house is raided by the popo when he's having dinner with his family, and gets bitch slapped by his dad. lol.

CRAZY VATO 11-10-2010 07:10 AM

hey
 
Police are a waste of time wouldnt they have done something by now. Time to step up urself if you know he is back come to his house and see him face to face.

punkwax 11-10-2010 08:26 AM

Nice work DrMike!

PuYang 11-10-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CRAZY VATO (Post 7180482)
Police are a waste of time wouldnt they have done something by now. Time to step up urself if you know he is back come to his house and see him face to face.

as much as all of us would LOVE to see the scammer get his ass beat, you have to understand that what drmike is doing is the proper and safe way to go about this situation.

going over and beating someone up will only make you the badguy in the eye of justice ;[

...unless drmike is batman.

spyker 11-10-2010 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMike (Post 7179355)
He better pray the courts don't fail me :)

Mike,let's say the courts do favour you and award the judgement on your side,how are you going to get your money back from anthony if he's flat broke and does not have any assets....except for a piece of shit riced out civic?

It's like squeazing blood from a rock.

I wish you all the luck in this man.

1exotic 11-10-2010 09:29 AM

If he doesn't have money, every pay check he makes in the next fucking 10 years will be going towards DrMike and the others he scammed. Or the courts will give the money back in full amount and then the douche willhave to pay the government... not sure how it works but something like that.

+ showing up at his house is pointless if you're coming for the money, he's probably broke as fuck by now.

spoon.ek9 11-10-2010 09:32 AM

very informative 1st post update. it's clear how organized and driven you are by all the details posted. again, good luck mike.

InvisibleSoul 11-10-2010 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMike (Post 7095563)
11-2-2010 PM - A couple days later the landlord told him it's not worth going to jail for and Anthony told him he paid somebody for the car and got scammed so he did his part.

I hope he uses this as his defense, because it ain't gonna fly.

Problem is even IF the above were true, which of course it most likely isn't, he's STILL on the hook to either deliver a car, or repay your money. That's the cost of doing business, taking risks that shit goes sideways.

If you had set up the transaction with this "somebody" yourself and Anthony was just helping you complete the transaction, that's a different story... but obviously that's not the case here. Anthony took your money as a business proposition to help you locate and procure the vehicle. If the person he decides to deal with scams him, that's his problem, not your's.

Berzerker 11-10-2010 10:45 AM

Dr.Mike ....

Let me know.


Berz out.

hotjoint 11-10-2010 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berzerker (Post 7180667)
Dr.Mike ....

Let me know.


Berz out.

:lol

threezero 11-10-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 1exotic (Post 7180573)
If he doesn't have money, every pay check he makes in the next fucking 10 years will be going towards DrMike and the others he scammed. Or the courts will give the money back in full amount and then the douche willhave to pay the government... not sure how it works but something like that.

+ showing up at his house is pointless if you're coming for the money, he's probably broke as fuck by now.

I dunt think it's like that. Say dr.mike sue Anthony civilly and win and the court award him whatever amount of money. Anthony has to be able to take care of HIMSELF first before paying dr.mike. If taking care of himself mean taking up the whole pay cheque. Than sorry dr.mike dunt get any money. The government does not pay for anybody upfront.

Sadly suing someone civilly for money that has nothing, and have no reputation to keep is a waste of time. I dunt believe you can sue the person again for not paying either.
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CRS 11-10-2010 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1exotic (Post 7180573)
If he doesn't have money, every pay check he makes in the next fucking 10 years will be going towards DrMike and the others he scammed. Or the courts will give the money back in full amount and then the douche willhave to pay the government... not sure how it works but something like that.

+ showing up at his house is pointless if you're coming for the money, he's probably broke as fuck by now.

Garnishing his wage would the most likely scenario. I highly doubt the government is going to cough up $40,000 and then garnish Anthony till it gets it back.

However, I think that they can garnish with a possible interest. I am not at all confident if that is true though.

Powerslide 11-10-2010 04:03 PM

that could mean its a long time before the money is returned in full. especially if he goes on welfare or something. Yikes

DrMike 11-10-2010 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyker (Post 7180564)
Mike,let's say the courts do favour you and award the judgement on your side,how are you going to get your money back from anthony if he's flat broke and does not have any assets....except for a piece of shit riced out civic?

It's like squeazing blood from a rock.

I wish you all the luck in this man.

At first I thought he had several cars, a shop, house, condo and a reputation he wanted to uphold. As I dug deeper I found he has nothing but a couple cars. He seemed like he wanted to rebuild his reputation but he probably doesn't care about that either. All he had to do was take my money and get me a car and people might have started to trust him again, but he couldn't even do something that simple.

Now I'm going after him to teach him a lesson. Garnishing future wages is probably all I can hope for and it would be a slow repayment. I would think he would have to get a job eventually now that word is out that he can't be trusted as a business man.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1exotic (Post 7180573)
If he doesn't have money, every pay check he makes in the next fucking 10 years will be going towards DrMike and the others he scammed. Or the courts will give the money back in full amount and then the douche willhave to pay the government... not sure how it works but something like that.

+ showing up at his house is pointless if you're coming for the money, he's probably broke as fuck by now.

That would be awesome of the court payed me in full but I don't think that's the case. Is ten years the max he will get his wages garnished? I think it would take him longer than that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul (Post 7180660)
I hope he uses this as his defense, because it ain't gonna fly.

Problem is even IF the above were true, which of course it most likely isn't, he's STILL on the hook to either deliver a car, or repay your money. That's the cost of doing business, taking risks that shit goes sideways.

If you had set up the transaction with this "somebody" yourself and Anthony was just helping you complete the transaction, that's a different story... but obviously that's not the case here. Anthony took your money as a business proposition to help you locate and procure the vehicle. If the person he decides to deal with scams him, that's his problem, not your's.

I think after I asked him so many times if he got scammed out of the money he just made himself believe that he did. All his stories of meetings with this supposed seller negotiating the sale and filling out paperwork started to get old. Especially when the deal was supposed to have been squared away before he even flew down there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by threezero (Post 7180890)
I dunt think it's like that. Say dr.mike sue Anthony civilly and win and the court award him whatever amount of money. Anthony has to be able to take care of HIMSELF first before paying dr.mike. If taking care of himself mean taking up the whole pay cheque. Than sorry dr.mike dunt get any money. The government does not pay for anybody upfront.

Sadly suing someone civilly for money that has nothing, and have no reputation to keep is a waste of time. I dunt believe you can sue the person again for not paying either.
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I know he's hoping that I just call it a loss and forget about it like everybody else he scammed did. Looks like he's able to take care of himself just fine without any paychecks at all so hopefully I can get a cut, even if it's small, of his future legit pay checks.

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Originally Posted by CRS (Post 7180921)
Garnishing his wage would the most likely scenario. I highly doubt the government is going to cough up $40,000 and then garnish Anthony till it gets it back.

However, I think that they can garnish with a possible interest. I am not at all confident if that is true though.

If it takes him 20 years to pay it back I hope I get interest with that. This could have been worth over $100K by the time my kids need it for college. Even at 1% he would owe me $100 already.

s300ae 11-11-2010 12:19 AM

crazy story. hope everything works out.
he's prolly been following this thread religiously.

EmOne 11-11-2010 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMike (Post 7179735)
I read an update to a fraud case on offtopic.com. One of their members had a team of people selling tractors that didn't exist. Every time they got paid they wired the money to one of their moms who then cashed it and split it up between them. They've all been sitting in jail waiting for trial for wire fraud and money laundering.

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vafanculo 11-11-2010 05:49 AM

I believe only 30% of your wages can be garnished. Knowing him (well, only what we hear of him), he's not good for much and probably won't land a very good job. If he makes 2k a month you are looking at $600 per month. That can be paid off in 4-5 years ...

Don't know what will happen if he files bankruptcy. Are civil rulings wiped out too?
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