Ghosts scare UBC asians

[bing]

Originally Posted by Mr.C

On the same coin, just because they say the property will be devalued, doesn't mean it actually will be. Speaking of losing money, my family has lost money on property due to actions of the state, and it certainly pisses me off still. In our case, we can prove that the actions have caused us to lose money, but what about in their case? Bet if they can prove there is a devaluation, they might be able to sue for compensation; however, putting superstitions in the mix is not a good way to get people on your side.

well at this point it is concern that there will be property devaluation, which from my POV raises valid points. Yes, lots of people have 1 million to spend on housing, but how many are willing to spend 1 million on a condo (as compared to a house)? and at ubc? I will say for a fact Chinese culture highly values education and that could be a big reason they chose to buy there, don't know if that is a big enough reason for other people to justify the high price. I am also not of the belief that there is more utility in having a 15 bed hospice there compared with the dissatisfaction of a whole tower of people already living there. You ask them to simply leave, to uproot themselves after all that investment and time spent picking this location to live. Could the hospice be located elsewhere on UBC land, out of the "backyards" of the condos? Aside from this issue, the residents tend to be your regular law abiding citizens, which I cannot say the same of many of others in this country. They didn't come on a damn boat at least and eat up all our tax dollars in welfare.

since most people do not understand the Chinese relationship between spirits does not mean they can be disregarded. I think these immigrants have trouble describing it as their English is not very good so it seems what they are saying is crazy talk. Also, does this country not pride itself on multiculturalism and cultural understandings? I think there needs to be more communication and less ethnocentrism.

[GrapeDrink]

Originally Posted by milkmilk101

Simple question.. If one gonna build a whorehouse beside ur kids' school, would you bring ur kids to another school? Not like the kids gona see anything going on next door but is the influence that do harm.

As an aisan I won't want to live anywhere near hospital, hospice, cemetery or anything like that. You can call me superstitious or bs or anything you want but that's how we asian are. I think the topics states people protesting and i guess most of those protesters are asians as well? And most here are judging them from a western POV? that's not fair? I just like me saying all those Christians praying to a dead man pinned on a cross and waste your sunday morning is stupid (no offence). But that's exactly what most people here are saying. We asians are superstitious you like it or not and now we paid so much to buy a nice house and you build something against our value or course the asians are gonna be pissed. Put yourself in their shoes. The problem here is not whether being superstitious is right or not. The problem is that UBC have not consider the opinions of house owners of the area and built something that would offend a percentage of the owners. I dont agree with people who said this is canada and people should live the canadian way of life and UBC dont need to consider their feeling. Vancouver is a muticultural city and authorities should consider everyone's value be it Chinese, Indian or whites.

See that is the thing, their whole is argument holds no weight because its based on their superstition, which is of course baseless. Had they built something that was going to change the conditions of their well being and etc, something measurable then maybe they got a case. Also please don;'t generalize your thoughts for all asians, my family moved here from China and we don't believe in any of that superstitious stuff because we have a very low tolerance for something called bullshit, I mean really ? how are people going to be half way superstitious anyways, like if they actually believe in ghosts and spirits following hospices, do you really think ghosts won't cross the street or travel a couple blocks to haunt you lol come on sonnnn

[EmperorIS]

regardless if it is a chinese superstition or not i doubt a majority of anyone from any culture (except for mindblower ofcourse) would want a place dedicated to dying people beside their house

i don't get how hard is it to take that in to consideration

[Spectre_Cdn]

Originally Posted by PiuYi

how is this thread still going on?? i thought it was a fairly subjective thing...... protesters gonna protest, developers gonna develop, thats that


only on RS can such a small thing turn into a big racial extravaganza hahah

This "issue" is also currently being discussed on Chinese radio talk shows and in local Chinese forums.

Proof:
http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/viewth...&extra=&page=1
(some posts may require translation)

There are many in the Chinese community who do not support the residents' views, especially when they try to generalize their superstitions as a Chinese thing, as the second woman in the news story stated. Those with the same ethnicity and don't have this "Chinese tradition" are speaking out to draw a line, and also because the general public knows their claims about ghosts and bad luck are, absolute B.S., even if it's just a weak cover for their concerns over property values and investments.

[PiuYi]

^huh.... whaddaya know........ well, then carry on i guess....

[Mr.C]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

The first part of your post is probably the closest thing to a unanimously agreeable statement I've ever seen on any forum.

The second part, did you see the post a few pages back where someone put time into a fairly well supported post about the potential decrease in land values?

I saw it, again, it makes sense, but how does it translate to the real world? As in, does it really happen, or is it simply an assumption? If I'm bored, I'll check the area around Canuck Place to see if the values there are lower than some place down the street. Maybe that would give it more weight, don't know.

Oh, and by the way, according to Google Maps, the building is across the street from UBC Hospital, and in it there's an extended care unit, in which people also die all the time. See, doesn't make sense.

Edit: Oh, so its not a unanimous Chinese thing? Guess it's sort of like the crazy bible-thumping white people then.

[misteranswer]

I don't know if this was mentioned, but this part is interesting

It’s not the first time the hospice has met with opposition.

It met with complaints when it was originally planned for Marine Drive, close to Place Vanier student residences.

Joe Stott, director of Campus and Community Planning, said objections came from students who didn’t want to have to keep quiet at night and from Pacific Spirit Park and the Wreck Beach Preservation Society.

[MindBomber]

A percentage of people would be opposed to the idea of living next to a hospice, whether that be due to superstition or any other reason is irrelevant; the outcome is a decreased pool of buyers at the time of sale.

Regardless of the location of the property a person is selling, whether it Coal Harbor or Hope, the buyer pool will always be limited by some factor. It might that it's located on a busy street, in an area with or without lots of kids or a building may have high strata fees, regardless there is always a factor. At UBC a hospice being located next door to an apartment building is just that, but informed open minded buyers looking to purchase at a large research focused university will likely realize that a hospice is a reality of the area and look past it. In an area with an unlimited supply of homes that might lead to a decrease in value, but since this is an area with a very limited supply of properties available I can't see a dramatic drop in values, rather I predict: a decreased Asian population in the building and an influx of buyers belonging to other races.

[SpuGen]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

are you new to RS??? it says 2004 but it sounds like you're new because you'd realize that like 99% of us are multicultural and grew up influenced by other clutures other than Canadas multiculturalism

you fall into the group that always goes too far when it comes to political correctness

99%?
More like 30%.

True Multiculturalism involves having people in a society that are open to other cultures.

From what I've seen on this thread, 70% of you are more into Assimilation. Knocking down somebody's beliefs/Culture is NOT MULTICULTURALISM. Even some of you who claim to be of Asian Descent, seem to be ignorant to your own Asian Culture. I get it, you were born here, and you're Canadian, but you're also Chinese.

Wake the fuck up. Not everybody is as lucky as you to be born here. These same people also haven't had the time to Assimilate to Canadian Beliefs. Canada is supposed to be Multicultural. I guess that's just a title and people are throwing that around even though they think differently.

"They're pulling the Race Card because they don't want thier Land Value to go down"
Go pay $1 Million+ For a home, and have something built next door that is against your own beliefs. Then Talk.

"Hospices don't represent Death. They're there so Terminally Ill people can pass in peace. It's also geographically located near Med Students"
Go live next to a Hospice. Not live near, or Volunteer at one. Live next to one for a number of years. Then come back and give your opinion.

[MindBomber]

Since I support the idea of a hospice being built, because I realize it's an essential and deeply valued service to Canadians, I suspect I fall into your assimilation group right?

No contributing member of this thread has knocked down anyones beliefs, knocking down the Chinese superstitions would be saying "those stupid Asians need to realize they're in Canada, they should go back to China or give up their childish ideas". Thats not what I've been saying, nor is it what I believe to any extent whatsoever. What I am saying is, that living in Canada is different from living in Asia and there are cultural differences that need to be accepted by immigrants. Canadian culture values hospice services deeply, to people who have had friends or family pass in a hospice it is a precious and cherished institution, so if you live in close proximity to a hospital one may be built. It's unfortunate that people are upset by the location, but the location couldn't be more ideal and regardless of where it was built someone would have opposed it. There is not an area in Vancouver that a hospice could not be built in close proximity to Asian home owners, so why try to do the impossible and please everyone when it could just build in in the most appropriate location.

I'm sorry your experience with hospices was traumatic as a child, but mine have been very different and thats why I so avidly defend it. I'm not white, my culture has been more strongly affected by assimilation than any other racial group in Canada and I absolutely do not believe any immigrant should feel the need to assimilate.

Originally Posted by SpuGen

99%?
More like 30%.

True Multiculturalism involves having people in a society that are open to other cultures.

From what I've seen on this thread, 70% of you are more into Assimilation. Knocking down somebody's beliefs/Culture is NOT MULTICULTURALISM. Even some of you who claim to be of Asian Descent, seem to be ignorant to your own Asian Culture. I get it, you were born here, and you're Canadian, but you're also Chinese.

Wake the fuck up. Not everybody is as lucky as you to be born here. These same people also haven't had the time to Assimilate to Canadian Beliefs. Canada is supposed to be Multicultural. I guess that's just a title and people are throwing that around even though they think differently.

"They're pulling the Race Card because they don't want thier Land Value to go down"
Go pay $1 Million+ For a home, and have something built next door that is against your own beliefs. Then Talk.

"Hospices don't represent Death. They're there so Terminally Ill people can pass in peace. It's also geographically located near Med Students"
Go live next to a Hospice. Not live near, or Volunteer at one. Live next to one for a number of years. Then come back and give your opinion.

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by EmperorIS

regardless if it is a chinese superstition or not i doubt a majority of anyone from any culture (except for mindblower ofcourse) would want a place dedicated to dying people beside their house

i don't get how hard is it to take that in to consideration

I don't think I've explained the reasons why it wouldn't bother me, so I will.

In the last two years I've had two family members pass in hospices after spending months in and out of hospitals, seeing them given a final bit of solace in their final days is something I will be eternally gracious for. Unfortunately other members of my family also have the same condition that took my Aunt and Uncles lives and one day, when their time comes, they will likely be in hospices as well. As such, if a hospice were proposed next to my apartment building I would not oppose it's construction. I know how tremendously important they are and accept that they must be built somewhere, if I need to make a minor sacrifice so be it.

Also, if I wanted to live in a strictly residential area I would check the zoning of an area before I bought it to ensure nothing other than family dwellings could be built there.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by SpuGen

99%?
More like 30%.

True Multiculturalism involves having people in a society that are open to other cultures.

From what I've seen on this thread, 70% of you are more into Assimilation. Knocking down somebody's beliefs/Culture is NOT MULTICULTURALISM. Even some of you who claim to be of Asian Descent, seem to be ignorant to your own Asian Culture. I get it, you were born here, and you're Canadian, but you're also Chinese.

Wake the fuck up.

oh no are you seriously doing the ''no, you're not'' ''yes i am'' argument because i dont agree with asians who have an ulterior motive pretending its a cultural issue? get real spu, ''wake the fuck up'' indeed


as for everyone harping about 1 million dollars.... thats just the average price of a home in vancouver now... its nothing special quit trying to play the money game , even if that was a lot of money who cares??? we're all about equality in canada
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[BNR32_Coupe]

Woah woah woah.. Last few posts totally killed it. Time to poke the fire:

WHITE PEOPLE DONT MIND - BUILD IT IN WEST VAN.

That is all, carry on.
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[Mr.Money]

Poor UBC building,Once 30 years Passes from now,the Chinese in the building will be looking down on others in disgrace for being old in case they pass away and the building it self will become Haunted

[goo3]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

are you new to RS??? it says 2004 but it sounds like you're new because you'd realize that like 99% of us are multicultural and grew up influenced by other clutures other than Canadas multiculturalism

I found it fascinating the FOBs in this thread were the ones to bring up the concept of a differing belief system between cultures.. you know, the ones who are supposed to be more narrow-minded than we are. But then us multicultural ones aren't really listening to them...

The level of ignorance in this thread from those who proclaim to be open-minded concerns me.

Actually, no it doesn't. Carry on.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by goo3

I found it fascinating the FOBs in this thread were the ones to bring up the concept of a differing belief system between cultures.. you know, the ones who are supposed to be more narrow-minded than we are. But then us multicultural ones aren't really listening to them...

The level of ignorance in this thread from those who proclaim to be open-minded concerns me.

Actually, no it doesn't. Carry on.

ahh but see you're already drawing lines of who you believe are fobs and who you believe arent.. you've decided the fobs want to be open minded (as long as the open mindedness is in their pov) and those who aren't fobs are those who are against the high-rise crybabies

[quasi]

Originally Posted by EmperorIS

let me build a oil rig beside your house.. if you don't like it, you can leave.

this oil rig will bring revenue to the province and prosperity for everyone.

ooh i'm sorry it effects you because you can't stand the oil and the skyscraper tower beside your house? too bad lemme ram it down your throat

We're not talking about Oil rigs sir. Go ahead and build a hospice I don't mind, matter of fact I'd probably love to do some volunteer work there.

Odds are most of you opposed have never been inside a hospice so you really have no idea what it's actually like. Even though this doesn't effect me either way I truely do hope they push it through will follow for sure.

[EmperorIS]

Originally Posted by quasi

We're not talking about Oil rigs sir. Go ahead and build a hospice I don't mind, matter of fact I'd probably love to do some volunteer work there.

Odds are most of you opposed have never been inside a hospice so you really have no idea what it's actually like. Even though this doesn't effect me either way I truely do hope they push it through will follow for sure.

well to those residents an hospice is just an much of an eye sore as to you to an oil rig...

whose to say your values are more important and reasonable then theirs?

[quasi]

Originally Posted by EmperorIS

well to those residents an hospice is just an much of an eye sore as to you to an oil rig...

whose to say your values are more important and reasonable then theirs?

The people who own the land next them I guess.

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by EmperorIS

well to those residents an hospice is just an much of an eye sore as to you to an oil rig...

whose to say your values are more important and reasonable then theirs?

Could you suggest a better location to build the hospice?

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by EmperorIS

whose to say your values are more important and reasonable then theirs?

Our values are more important. Immigration is wonderful for cultural diversity, bending over backwards for issues that are not exactly pressing is ridiculous.

Canadian values are in constant change, always have been with the immigration that built our country, yet it doesn't mean they change with every issue.

[Graeme S]

Originally Posted by EmperorIS

let me build a oil rig beside your house.. if you don't like it, you can leave.

this oil rig will bring revenue to the province and prosperity for everyone.

ooh i'm sorry it effects you because you can't stand the oil and the skyscraper tower beside your house? too bad lemme ram it down your throat

There are several differences between an oil rig and this Hospice. An oil rig is noisy, potentially explosive, and insanely sizable. When approaching an oil rig, you can be completely and totally aware of exactly what it is. It can interfere with views, and would typically disrupt your daily life (sleep routines, ability to enjoy your property, etc).

This is a hospice. It is a quiet place of peace for people to pass on into death. Unfortunately both of my grandparents who are approaching death have such unpredictable conditions that make it difficult to say whether they would be able to pass on in a hospice.

Given that these people bought on UBC land, who is to say that a fraternity or sorority wouldn't have rented out one of the common rooms in their condo making a giant racket and mess one time? With parties and craziness, I'm surprised this hospice has even hit the radar.

Originally Posted by taylor192

Canadian values are in constant change, always have been with the immigration that built our country, yet it doesn't mean they change with every issue.

This is very true. Cultural views take time to change, and more often than not new cultural ideas appear and become part of the whole without us really knowing where they come from. Superstitions of the Old Country and the like become watered down and less and less prevalent. My korean coworkers asked me the other day which direction I wanted my apartment to face if I bought a new one. I replied "...why? It depends on what view I could get." which seemed to mystify them.

It turned out one of my coworkers was looking to invest in a condo but all of the condos facing the "good" direction (not related to view) were taken and the others were trying to talk her out of buying in a "bad" direction. She felt reassured that "Canadian people don't care", and ended up purchasing the condo.

Long story short: what one culture believes is not always detrimental to all cultures. Who knows? Maybe this is exactly what the apartment needed; just change the marketing a little and call it "White Supremacist Manor: the only guaranteed Asian-free condo at UBC!"

[Nightwalker]

Maybe they should wander over to UBC where they can have their superstitions dispelled.

[BNR32_Coupe]

Originally Posted by Nightwalker

Maybe they should wander over to UBC where they can have their superstitions dispelled.

Naw, they'll end up taking Asian studies, a program entirely based on Asian culture
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[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Graeme S

It turned out one of my coworkers was looking to invest in a condo but all of the condos facing the "good" direction (not related to view) were taken and the others were trying to talk her out of buying in a "bad" direction. She felt reassured that "Canadian people don't care", and ended up purchasing the condo.

Long story short: what one culture believes is not always detrimental to all cultures. Who knows? Maybe this is exactly what the apartment needed; just change the marketing a little and call it "White Supremacist Manor: the only guaranteed Asian-free condo at UBC!"

So just looking at that a lot of your friends would not have purchase the apartments that's facing a bad direction. So those apartment facing a bad direction have their market reduce.

Same thing is going to happen to those 1+million apartment if a hospice is built next to it. It will decrease its value and reduce its market since a large number of people will not or do not want to live near a hospice. So either the apartment will be sold as a lower price or it will take longer to sell.