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Old 02-16-2011, 10:08 AM   #1
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Vancouver Grizzles Part Deux?!

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VANCOUVER -- Canucks Sports and Entertainment chairman Francesco Aquilini is looking to bring the NBA back to Vancouver, according to a report in The Globe and Mail.

Citing anonymous sources, the Globe says Aquilini, whose family owns the NHL's Canucks but was never involved with basketball's Vancouver Grizzlies, is inspecting the New Orleans Hornets.

The Hornets are being sold by the NBA and could be relocated in the next few years.

During an interview this week, commissioner David Stern said Vancouver is one of several markets interested in a relocated NBA franchise, and went out of his way to praise the strong business performance of the Canucks.

"We've had visits from, believe it or not, Vancouver, where the Canucks are absolutely doing a spectacular job," Stern told ESPN.

Aquilini did not respond to requests for comment Tuesday.

The NBA's Grizzlies left Vancouver for Memphis in 2001 after just six seasons, a brief existence that Stern has called his largest regret in 27 years as commissioner.

.......obviously they wouldnt be known as the grizzlies if they are looking to purchase the hornets......
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Saw this on a bunch of my buddies' news feeds and statuses, would be pretty sick to have a Vancouver team back in the NBA
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Another article on it, http://www.news1130.com/news/local/a...k-to-vancouver

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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - It has been 10 years since the "fur flew" in Vancouver with the Grizzlies. But, word is the NBA could return to town.

Are we are ready to bring professional basketball back to Rogers Arena? There was never a real lack of basketball fans in the Lower Mainland, but News1130 is finding some who say it would still be tough to support an NBA team here.

Hannes tells us he'd love to see professional basketball return. "But simply having fans in a city isn't good enough to keep a team afloat."

"I lived in Edmonton for 11 years and if you take a small market NHL team as a comparison, the Oilers probably have one of the strongest fan bases in the NHL," he adds. "But they struggled to stay afloat there."

Hockey has been successful in Vancouver, but Hannes points to the disparity in finances between the NHL and NBA. "Salaries in the NBA are reaching [at least] $100 million! I don't think [an NBA team] would stay afloat here. I don't think there's enough capital in it. I don't think there's enough merchandising in it."

There are reports the Aquilini family -- which owns the Canucks -- is interested in buying the New Orleans Hornets and bringing the team to Rogers Arena.

Why didn't the Grizzlies work?

Critics blame the Grizzlies' original General Manager for the team's disastrous showing.

News1130 Sports' Rick Dhaliwal says Stu Jackson made some bad draft choices. "Mike Bibby was one, [Steve] Francis was another one. He told them before the draft, "I'm not coming to Vancouver, don't pick me" and they still picked him."

"Big Country, he just did not pan out after they gave him $64 million. Shareef Abdur-Rahim, to his credit, signed the long-term deal," he adds. "But at the end of the day, one guy wasn't going to turn this organization around."

He says Jackson's biggest mistake was his decision not to draft Steve Nash.
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hope they dont fuck up and get someone like Bryant "Big Country" Reeves for their first choice!
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It would be cool to see an NBA team make it in Vancouver with owners who actually want to keep the team here.

I'm not much of a basketball fan, can't watch it on TV, but watching the athleticism live is impressive.
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If they do come all it's going to be is a another profitable Vancouver franchise giving money to revenue sharing have-not teams in the NBA once the new CBA forces a hard cap on the league

Personally I'm against it because another team in Canada will be just like the raptors, some kid from the hood in Chicago won't want to deal with border issues, ignorant morons look at Vancouver and say "lol Canada? No thanks" and until a decent reputation and respectable team is put together, this Vancouver team will have to overpay FA's to get them to come here because why would some southern born and bred player want to come here for another 500k when he could play in Memphis and be closer to
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Poorly written article.

Fact: As much of a shitty GM Stu was, he did try to draft Nash with a secondary pick. We tried to trade up with a second 1st round pick back it was not high enough to get him. Lieutenant Hindsight says we should have drafted him, but no way he was that good to be 3rd pick overall at that time. Even the following year, the 4th pick (used to get Antonio Daniels) was the asking price of Phoenix for giving up Nash. Again, it would have been a questionable move at that time to deal the 4th pick overall alone for Nash. Phoenix knew how much he was worth to the Vancouver market and commanded a lot of premium for him. If I were Stu, I would have asked for a backup big-man along with Nash for the 4th pick (hot rod williams comes to mind) at that time. I wonder why Stu did not entertain that. Oh never mind, he was a shitty GM.
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hope they dont fuck up and get someone like Bryant "Big Country" Reeves for their first choice!
Reeves over Finley
Abdur Rahim over Allen, Kobe, Nash
Daniels over McGrady
Bibby over Carter, Nowitzki, Pierce <-- our best pick actually
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That arrogant SOB Francis put a dagger into our franchise. I still remember his protruding lower lips and a face like his dog died on the day of his draft. DUDE, U JUST GOT DRAFTED! At least fake a smile.

Nonetheless, I would welcome the Grizzlies back. But again most of these NBA players have attitude problems and its funny how many of these players attended college but still think we live in igloos
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If they do come all it's going to be is a another profitable Vancouver franchise giving money to revenue sharing have-not teams in the NBA once the new CBA forces a hard cap on the league

Personally I'm against it because another team in Canada will be just like the raptors, some kid from the hood in Chicago won't want to deal with border issues, ignorant morons look at Vancouver and say "lol Canada? No thanks" and until a decent reputation and respectable team is put together, this Vancouver team will have to overpay FA's to get them to come here because why would some southern born and bred player want to come here for another 500k when he could play in Memphis and be closer to
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Reminds me of Stromile Swift when he moved to Memphis along with the team. During a meet n greet at a school, the rims on his yukon got jacked. He was complaining how ghetto Memphis was and that he missed Vancouver and all its amenities.

Since the NBA is more global now, it would be great to grab 1 or 2 players from Europe and China if there was a team here.
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I think they will have an easier time in terms of signing players and staying afloat this time around tho. I think we're forgettin that our dollar was really weak at the time as well so you really were paying 1.5 times what the signing amount was. And given the strong economy we have going right now, there should be a fair amount of corporate support especially for those companies that don't want to sponsor an enormous amount for the canucks given their popularity.
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If they do come all it's going to be is a another profitable Vancouver franchise giving money to revenue sharing have-not teams in the NBA once the new CBA forces a hard cap on the league

Personally I'm against it because another team in Canada will be just like the raptors, some kid from the hood in Chicago won't want to deal with border issues, ignorant morons look at Vancouver and say "lol Canada? No thanks" and until a decent reputation and respectable team is put together, this Vancouver team will have to overpay FA's to get them to come here because why would some southern born and bred player want to come here for another 500k when he could play in Memphis and be closer to
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I still have a grizzlies paw glove from back in the day :P
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I wouldn't actually mind a return of an NBA franchise here. The only reason Vancouver didn't do so well was the lack of talent we had, which led to declining attendance because of constantly poor performance.

I saw an Abdur Rahim Grizzlies jersey @ the Jersey City near my mall, I was really close to buying it because Dipt sells them for ridiculous prices IIRC. Hard to find them nowadays. (I love the fitted hats though.)
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Reeves over Finley
Abdur Rahim over Allen, Kobe, Nash
Daniels over McGrady
Bibby over Carter, Nowitzki, Pierce <-- our best pick actually
Francis over Artest, Hamilton, Davis
Swift over Crawford, Turkoglu
- It was impossible to see Finley to be this good.
- Abdur Rahim was a good pick. I would have picked Ray Allen though. Steve Nash was not worth the 3rd overall pick at that time, it was impossible to conceive he would be that good. Kobe, well that was a big risk.
- Bibby pick was dumb, Paul Pierce stated he wanted to play for the Grizzlies.
- Daniels over McGrady - yeah, it was a weak draft, I would have risked picking a high school kid as well.
- Francis and Swift - weak drafts as well, perhaps trading down would have been the best options
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I hope we get a good GM and headcoach for our next nba team.

does anyone know of another city where 2 pro teams were successful? by success i dont mean revenue generation/profitability -- i mean Stanley cups and championships ..
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does anyone know of another city where 2 pro teams were successful? by success i dont mean revenue generation/profitability -- i mean Stanley cups and championships ..
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does anyone know of another city where 2 pro teams were successful? by success i dont mean revenue generation/profitability -- i mean Stanley cups and championships ..

chicago.....

blackhawks, bulls, bears, and cubs(long championship drought, but popular team)
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Pittsburgh Penguins: Stanley Cup in 2007-08 and 2008-09
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I can only hope they bring a franchise back to Vancouver...after Grizzlies left, I went to Seattle for a couple games/year...now I have to go to Portland to watch a game!
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at least we would get some cheap entertainment, until vancouver got really good in the nba, then the prices would rise for games
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This city cannot financially support an NBA basketball team.

As cool as it would be, the bottom line is ticket sales. Considering how much we pay in taxes here and how expensive goods and services are. How much do you think your average ticket will have to cost to sustain the NBA salaries, all associated staff with the team and to ensure a profit in Aquilini's pockets? Chris Paul makes about 16 million a season. How much do we pay the Sedin's or Luongo? Less than 10 million a season I think.

I have to ask those who actually support an NBA team in Vancouver. How much are you willing to pay for a ticket and what is your limit? Limit being how much before you say fuck it and watch the game on the couch at home.
$50/seat, $80, $100? and of course, you'll want to go with a friend. So everything is x2. Unless you're this guy --->

Let's not forget, season ticket holders are what keeps teams in towns. The majority of Canucks season ticket holders are corporate/business with no plans of letting those tickets go. Is it possible to get those companies to purchase both NHL and NBA season tickets? If not, do you think the average Vancouver citizen will be able to add NBA season tickets to their expenses?

Going to a game or two a season is not enough to support an NBA franchise.
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I wonder how long "next few years" really is.... 2? 3? 4? lol.. hope we do get one soon though!!!! Go Lakers!!
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