James Bond Cross-Dresses

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by TekDragon

That is such a load, I don't even know where to start. How about we have the people who are best suited for the job to do the job? There's no reason to say there MUST be this minority in this position. How about true equality, no one gets special treatment.

And as for our parent's fault? Perhaps, but how about the fact that an adult can make up their own mind as to what they want to do with their life?
I'm glad that you are able to generalize so well and not see past statistics. You want things to change, good for you. Go ahead and drive change. Don't preach on an internet forum hoping for the best.

Lastly, complete bullshit that equality exists the way it does now. Equal rights for all, but some more equal than others. The number of women who I have met, deem themselves entitled to equality, yet demand to be treated like a princess? No, it doesn't work that way. You don't get it both ways. You get treated like everyone else if you want to be like everyone else. If you want to be treated all special like, expect some things to be different.

EXACTLY.

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confused by the question
is it asking, should equality exist? or can it exist? or does it currently exist?

currently, there is not total equality, but i would say there has been progress made. The most common reason is pay inequity (a man and women could have the same qualifications and experience doing work of equal value, yet get paid differently) that stem from Victorian era ideology of men and women and also access to managerial and leadership positions (all the way from the supermarket to big organizations like world bank and imf)

[Death2Theft]

You are absolutely not equal. When was the last time a man was bed ridden due to period cramps? Or other "female" problems. Many women are unable to commit to showing to work 5-6 days a week every day, 48-50 weeks a year, 40+ years. It is not an accident that more men are CEOs or the president.
End result you dont show up to work as much as men. Why dont you go ask some men how often they have had to cover for a female that didn't show up for work and dont get paid extra to do so. Now go ask the question to women, see who does more covering without getting proper compensation. When was the last time a man showed up showing a little too much skin distracting the entire office, yet no one had the guts to say anything for fear of a sexual harrasment issue?

All women do is soak up grants for education and decide to quit when they find a man to pay the bills so they can pop out a kid. The reason women dont earn as much as men is simple. They dont work as much as men who are expected to work till the day they die. I feel sorry for anyone who has to depend on a female professional if she gets knocked up. Who knows when/if she will continue working?

I'm not saying all women are like this but if you dont think the majority of them going to school wont be making full use of that education then.. you need to pull your head out of your vagina.

Hope all you "educated" women out there enjoy it when you try to get married and find out all the guys with "lesser" educations wont be making as much. Of course there are the ones that dont need a man to raise a kid. In which case thanks for raising the next generation of criminals.

Originally Posted by TheNewGirl

I've looked at the #s and while in some countries men and women are closer to equal in not a single one are they when you look at all the factors - pay, crime, education, government participation, women in management and property ownership.

In fact it was kind of interesting an interview was talking about how the rates of women in influential positions is the same across the board. Rates of women in high level government positions in the US - 10%, women movie directors, also 10%.

In Canada, of the 308 members of the house of commons we have only 67 female members. Further more out of 82 Federal Judges, only 22 are women. And though there's actually MORE women then men in university, men still make up the bulk of the population in sciences, math and business and when you look at graduate degrees, more go to men then women.

While the Canadian government touts it's great strides in our country having more women in managerial positions than most this is still only 35% and even in industries (retail, fashion, childcare, education) where women greatly outnumber men, men consistently outnumber women in managerial/leadership roles.

Roughly half of Canadian women (51%) will experience some form of physical or sexual abuse AFTER 16 (so this does not include child abuse rates, if you factor them in the number increases substancially) and as you read this one or two Canadian women are being murdered by either a father, brother, spouse, partner or ex boyfriend.

As far as income, Canada was ranked 12th out of 17 peer countries for gender descrepencies (just below the US, up two spots from the UK).

These numbers are consistent amongst all demographics.

Are we equal? Yes. Are we treated as equal? No.

[Nightwalker]

Men/Women are absolutely EQUAL but different.

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by Nightwalker

Men/Women are absolutely EQUAL but different.

Define equal.

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Originally Posted by Death2Theft

You are absolutely not equal. When was the last time a man was bed ridden due to period cramps? Or other "female" problems. Many women are unable to commit to showing to work 5-6 days a week every day, 48-50 weeks a year, 40+ years. It is not an accident that more men are CEOs or the president.
End result you dont show up to work as much as men. Why dont you go ask some men how often they have had to cover for a female that didn't show up for work and dont get paid extra to do so. Now go ask the question to women, see who does more covering without getting proper compensation. When was the last time a man showed up showing a little too much skin distracting the entire office, yet no one had the guts to say anything for fear of a sexual harrasment issue?

All women do is soak up grants for education and decide to quit when they find a man to pay the bills so they can pop out a kid. The reason women dont earn as much as men is simple. They dont work as much as men who are expected to work till the day they die. I feel sorry for anyone who has to depend on a female professional if she gets knocked up. Who knows when/if she will continue working?

I'm not saying all women are like this but if you dont think the majority of them going to school wont be making full use of that education then.. you need to pull your head out of your vagina.

Hope all you "educated" women out there enjoy it when you try to get married and find out all the guys with "lesser" educations wont be making as much. Of course there are the ones that dont need a man to raise a kid. In which case thanks for raising the next generation of criminals.

do you know what a glass ceiling is? do you understand the term pay equity? pay equity is defined in terms of work of equal value. all factors the same and still less pay. there are a ton of studies out there on this and statistics that support this. it makes you look dumb when you spew comments out that are based on assumptions and stereotypes.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by bing

currently, there is not total equality, but i would say there has been progress made. The most common reason is pay inequity (a man and women could have the same qualifications and experience doing work of equal value, yet get paid differently) that stem from Victorian era ideology of men and women and also access to managerial and leadership positions (all the way from the supermarket to big organizations like world bank and imf)

Not even I think.

I'm sure you may find some isolated situations but I think in our society right now, this has long since been gone. Nowadays, if there are any discrepancies between pay for identical jobs, it really has more to do with other variables. ie:

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee being paid more because they have been with the company longer and has been subject to more pay raises.

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee being paid more because that's what it took to poach said employee from another company.

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee was able to negotiate a better agreement upon employement.

etc.

Hell, I've gone from McDonalds in my teenage years to corporate (insurance co.) and I've worked along women who were paid higher than their male counterparts. The kicker - they earned their way to top pay not because of their vagina but because they actually invested more in their craft.


Inequalities are going to be present everywhere and forever. It`s just not as narrow as what sexual organ you possess between your legs.

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by bing

do you know what a glass ceiling is? do you understand the term pay equity? pay equity is defined in terms of work of equal value. all factors the same and still less pay. there are a ton of studies out there on this and statistics that support this. it makes you look dumb when you spew comments out that are based on assumptions and stereotypes.

Let's take the service sector just as ONE example.

It doesn't matter if you are a man or woman. You will make the same. Hourly wage!

In fact, in a restaurant, women may get tipped more!

Glass ceiling is just your imagination. If you are truly a talented individual in the right place, you can surpass it. Part of the problem is believing in such a concept.

[Noizz]

Originally Posted by TheNewGirl

I've looked at the #s and while in some countries men and women are closer to equal in not a single one are they when you look at all the factors - pay, crime, education, government participation, women in management and property ownership.

In fact it was kind of interesting an interview was talking about how the rates of women in influential positions is the same across the board. Rates of women in high level government positions in the US - 10%, women movie directors, also 10%.

Change takes time, to hold these high level positions requires credentials. It doesn't happen overnight. Turn the clock back 100 years, you won't find any women holding these positions. There aren't hundreds of women with the proper credentials piled up due because gender inequality.

It's more like gender inequality was a barrier for women to get their credentials. Now in the present day, this is no longer a problem, and once again, it takes time for this to happen for these women to get their credentials and apply for positions as such.

In Canada, of the 308 members of the house of commons we have only 67 female members. Further more out of 82 Federal Judges, only 22 are women.

There are more federal judges in Canada than 82....

BC alone has 94 federal judges excluding supernumeraries

A quick search of federal judges on bench as of March 2011 shows:



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12/14 court of appeal judges in BC are female, which is 86%
37/85 supreme court judges in BC are female, which is 44%

Here's the link, look for yourself, maybe you should check it out since you are so akin with the matter:
http://www.fja.gc.ca/appointments-no...juges-eng.html

And though there's actually MORE women then men in university, men still make up the bulk of the population in sciences, math and business

There are no barriers for women to go into sciences, math, nor business. Half the students in my business classes are women.

Women are simply not interested in science and math, there is no barrier preventing them from seeking such degrees. Men like certain things, and women like certain things. I could say that men aren't treated equally because there are fewer male nurses vs. female nurses.

when you look at graduate degrees, more go to men then women.

I'm sorry... they go to men? You have to apply and get accepted to grad school, you don't get it handed to you.

Why might there be less women in grad school? Most women want kids, therefore they don't want to go to school for another X amount of years. They want to be married and have children.

But in this day in age it is quite common to see women going for more education, going to grad school, and postponing their marriages and children. Its a shitty deal, but's a biological matter.

Roughly half of Canadian women (51%) will experience some form of physical or sexual abuse AFTER 16 (so this does not include child abuse rates, if you factor them in the number increases substancially) and as you read this one or two Canadian women are being murdered by either a father, brother, spouse, partner or ex boyfriend.

As far as income, Canada was ranked 12th out of 17 peer countries for gender descrepencies (just below the US, up two spots from the UK).

These numbers are consistent amongst all demographics.

Sources?

Yes gender inequality exists, but its better than it used to be.

[Culture_Vulture]

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

Women and men are:
Psychologically different

First, what?
There have been, and I mean quite literally, zero researches that have shown this to be conclusive. Most border on pseudoscience, while others are results of psychological fallacies and/or bad scientific practice. Don't buy into what psychology ass kissers tell you.

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

Gender equality isn't even an issue in today's modern society IMO. I still stand by the fact that if you're a hardworking, smart, educated woman, you can do anything. Please give me some evidence otherwise.

And, by "today's modern society", of course you mean American society.
Not many of you will know this, but today is international women's day, and the video IS geared towards women (and anybody else who associate themselves with the female gender/transgender).
True, while racism and sexism ISN'T the issue of concern these days (to be replaced by a more disturbing classism, if you will) in North America, it remains prominent in other parts of the world--you're missing the big picture here.

With regards to the rest of your post, I agree, as long as it's in the right context.


And, TheNewGirl, please don't push your mundane feminist agendas on REVScene. However much sense it might make to a feminist, it won't reach the rest of RS.

[Culture_Vulture]

Originally Posted by Noizz

Yes gender inequality exists, but its better than it used to be.

And that's good enough that we should stop trying?



And I get the feeling people are arguing over two different questions here.

All TheNewGirl said was that in theory we are equal, but not in practice, and (with a little bad presentation of quite possibly cooked-up statistics) you all jumped the gun.

You can look at statistics until the cows come home, but nobody is going to deny
a) Gender roles have evolved rapidly and drastically since suffrage,
b) It still has long ways to go, and
c) The mere fact that you can't call a nigger a "nigger" and a chug a "chug" on REVScene without being banned, yet moderators and regulars alike laugh at kitchen and sandwich jokes, means that no, men and women are not equal in practice. Not in Vancouver; not in Canada/North America; and definitely not around the globe.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

You are absolutely not equal. When was the last time a man was bed ridden due to period cramps? Or other "female" problems. Many women are unable to commit to showing to work 5-6 days a week every day, 48-50 weeks a year, 40+ years. It is not an accident that more men are CEOs or the president.
End result you dont show up to work as much as men.

And yet according to the United Nations, women do 2/3 of the world's work.

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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

Let's take the service sector just as ONE example.

It doesn't matter if you are a man or woman. You will make the same. Hourly wage!

In fact, in a restaurant, women may get tipped more!

Glass ceiling is just your imagination. If you are truly a talented individual in the right place, you can surpass it. Part of the problem is believing in such a concept.

that comment holds true if we focus only on low paid positions that both men and women can do. but what happens when it comes to advancement and managerial positions?

bingo how'd you know? it must be my imagination. that is why its still being mentioned in sociology courses. i guess people who have attained phd level education teach things based on air

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

Let's take the service sector just as ONE example.

It doesn't matter if you are a man or woman. You will make the same. Hourly wage!

In fact, in a restaurant, women may get tipped more!

Glass ceiling is just your imagination. If you are truly a talented individual in the right place, you can surpass it. Part of the problem is believing in such a concept.

You understand this is international woman's day and just Canada woman's day right?

[Razor Ramon HG]

Fail attempt at feminism.

Now I want a sandwich. Guess who's making one for me? A girl

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon HG

Fail attempt at feminism.

Now I want a sandwich. Guess who's making one for me? A girl

That's nice of your mom.

[shawn79]

dennis rodman is a cross dresser

[Noizz]

Originally Posted by Culture_Vulture

And that's good enough that we should stop trying?

Never said that nor implied that, I'm just stating a fact.

All TheNewGirl said was that in theory we are equal, but not in practice, and (with a little bad presentation of quite possibly cooked-up statistics) you all jumped the gun.

Who jumped the gun??? When an egotistic person takes to stand such a bold claim, do you think the people in defense will take it lightly?

You can look at statistics until the cows come home, but nobody is going to deny
a) Gender roles have evolved rapidly and drastically since suffrage,
b) It still has long ways to go, and
c) The mere fact that you can't call a nigger a "nigger" and a chug a "chug" on REVScene without being banned, yet moderators and regulars alike laugh at kitchen and sandwich jokes, means that no, men and women are not equal in practice. Not in Vancouver; not in Canada/North America; and definitely not around the globe.

Then we need to stop making fun of c-lais wearing welding masks and Richmond people who can't drive. Thats racist.

All the sandwich and kitchen jokes are the same as, asians not being able to drive, or kfc and black people. Its mostly innocent and polite racism. We have a good laugh out of them, but by no means is the majority of the people who say such things explicitly bringing these views into fruition. They're stereotypes, and society will never be able to fully shed it off.

Any inequality be it gender, race, ethnicity, wealth, status has a long way to go, but like an asymptote, it will never reach 0. The best scenario would be to bring everything to it's highest level of equalness and thats what should be done.

But for the OP to make statements of gender inequality in Canada of all places is absurd. Yes it exists, we know that. Yes we should never stop fighting for women's rights. But if she were in any other country other than developed ones, she would know that Canada is working it's best for the interests of public.

[Culture_Vulture]

My quote of your post wasn't geared at you, but supposed to be rhetoric for all those people who think there's nothing wrong with our current egalitarian society.

The same people who read her post, then saw the number of FAILS she had, then proceeded to click the FAIL button themselves and come up with some nonsensical claims that include no merit whatsoever.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Originally Posted by Manic!

That's nice of your mom.

Well done.

[rsx]

Equality in pay and in professional work environments. That's about it.

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Originally Posted by Noir

Not even I think.

I'm sure you may find some isolated situations but I think in our society right now, this has long since been gone. Nowadays, if there are any discrepancies between pay for identical jobs, it really has more to do with other variables. ie:

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee being paid more because they have been with the company longer and has been subject to more pay raises.

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee being paid more because that's what it took to poach said employee from another company.

* 2 of the same jobs but 1 employee was able to negotiate a better agreement upon employement.

etc.

Hell, I've gone from McDonalds in my teenage years to corporate (insurance co.) and I've worked along women who were paid higher than their male counterparts. The kicker - they earned their way to top pay not because of their vagina but because they actually invested more in their craft.


Inequalities are going to be present everywhere and forever. It`s just not as narrow as what sexual organ you possess between your legs.

no you're wrong, I am only comparing situations where those factors do not play a role. Ask any of the profs in the sociology department, they would disagree. Inequality does exist, and I think these issues will always exist on some level (same with racism, sexism, etc), but the whole point of this day is to bring more awareness so things can keep changing. It won't happen overnight.

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Originally Posted by Wongtouski

I highly doubt this is true, you don't see every other girl in highschool cry rape.

Reading comprehension fail.
It says very clearly that figure includes physical abuse, which I am going to assume is any sort of violence. Also it says after age 16, that pretty much counts the entire lifespan of the individual, probably why the percentage is so high.

[goo3]

Originally Posted by bing

that comment holds true if we focus only on low paid positions that both men and women can do. but what happens when it comes to advancement and managerial positions?

bingo how'd you know? it must be my imagination. that is why its still being mentioned in sociology courses. i guess people who have attained phd level education teach things based on air

For some faculties, the air gets really thin up in that ivory tower

So how does what your prof is saying compare to what's being said in the business side? And how does that jibe with you? If you don't know, I think it'd be interesting to go take a look cuz this issue does affect them directly.

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by Manic!

You understand this is international woman's day and just Canada woman's day right?

Blame TheNewGirl, she made it all about women in Canada.