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are both genders getting their due respect? yeah i think so. i dont see any of my female collegues any lesser than me, if anything, i respect them for their work duties, and how they managed to juggle it all.
nothing in the world is equal, nor is anything fair...
its life... we can only hope to achieve it.
in school, we have a choice, no pressure. my sis went into sciences, i went into finance.
if anything its got more to be with asian culture. im pressure sure i would have been "shadow kicked" to high heaven if it decided to go into art and finger painting, especially how shitty i am at it...
about the rape comment, maybe in a 3rd world country, or even Walley in surrey does that 51% comment apply, but i think if we go by region or even city/area, the numbers would be far significantly different.
Yes we should have black people in the house of commons. And hispanic people. And more indian people and asian people too. I'm pro equality all over the place.
True equality is giving the job to the best suitable applicant regardless of sex or race. In Canada we now have reverse racism and sexism where if you're white.... well you're not an ethnic minority so we don't have any open positions for you. Same goes for male vs female positions. And it's bullshit.
You can tell it's a male dominated thread where a persons worth is measured only in how much money they make or how high they can fly in their career.
What I was trying to say in my previous post is no two things are exactly alike. Equal rights and equal respect mean equality to me. IMHO men and women are equal, two sides to the same coin of humanity. Both are just as essential as the other. They have differences, but to me are absolutely equal.
There are places where this is not in practice, and people that don't see it the way I do. I realize this, but I do not agree with it.
There are women who do choose to go hard on their career and fly high. I don't see any reason why more couldn't (or wouldn't) as more and more woman pave the way for those that come after them. Our next premier may be a woman. That's something extremely difficult to achieve for anyone, if women were so inferior how do things like that happen?
There may never be a time when there are as many career oriented woman as there are men, which is understandable. Family is probably a much higher priority than career for many women. They're the sex that gives birth to children, and their body reminds them of it constantly. I have a hard time thinking that makes them inferior... I'd be in a pretty terrible place today if it weren't for my mother.
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So despite asking for a study that shows womens shit can stink just as badly as mens, you have also managed to miss the all the posts i've made about "time spent working" or that when a woman works as hard as a man she can have his pay. Obviously most dont or we wouldn't have a next generation, of course you'd probally want a study for that too.
One of the funniest parts to me as to why there arn't any 100% female run companies that i'm aware of, or at least as many as 100% of men run companies on the fortune 500 is.... Women hate working for a female boss and would rather work for a male boss... Hmmmm think emotional stability might have anything to do with that? PMS hahha.
I can also tell you that women that devote a life time to their career just arn't as happy. Feel free to dispute these studies with all your education.
Clearly these career women are not desirable to the majority of men. Of course you'd want another study, thanks but no thanks it's way to easy to find them and you havn't changed anyones mind with your educated responses. http://dontmarrycareerwomen.wordpres...eminist-wives/
No i remember the issues you brought up, you went from talking about periods and non-commitment issues and now your talking about happiness (btw, the happiness thing could be argued for both men and women under a capitalist society, we have more things, but neither of us are happier). Your argument is everywhere and not focused. You really don't understand the term, "when all factors are the same".
anyway, when I saw the links, i lol'd. blogspot? a forum? really now? one of those articles, the stats do not even have any sources at all, you did the exact same thing as thenewgirl. Plus the guy is an executive coach who is trying to make money, that is his big motive. So much for reliable academic sources, that's the kind of shit a highschooler does to put together a paper
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Hey your still the one who can't see how many times i've said "if you work as hard as a man you get paid like a man"
Too bad working that hard doesn't make the average female all too happy. I could look for more respectable studies, but I already know the answer and so will the women in your family be it 10-20-30 years down the road.
True equality is giving the job to the best suitable applicant regardless of sex or race. In Canada we now have reverse racism and sexism where if you're white.... well you're not an ethnic minority so we don't have any open positions for you. Same goes for male vs female positions. And it's bullshit.
Women cry inequality only when it suits them.
Reverse discrimination's only a problem for govt jobs.. TV might give a different impression, but no law forces companies to do that in the private sector.
If you're a kid who gets molested or if you're a native who got fucked over by the govt way back when, you're a victim. If you don't have access to 5-10% of the jobs or spots in school for various unfair reasons because you are either:
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Hey your still the one who can't see how many times i've said "if you work as hard as a man you get paid like a man"
Too bad working that hard doesn't make the average female all too happy. I could look for more respectable studies, but I already know the answer and so will the women in your family be it 10-20-30 years down the road.
after i embarrassed you and made you look like an idiot, you're still posting.
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Riiight, not exactly like you have any stats to back up your arguement either. I'm so embarrased that I refuse to provide you a study that women call in sick more often than men due to periods because it's a waste of my time.
Once you graduate I hope you get into a hiring position and hire only women, I'll stick with men.
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What TheNewGirl said about sexual harassment is the truth. Sexual harassment may include "mere" words or glances but there are a lot more serious cases than those that you must not be aware of...
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about the rape comment, maybe in a 3rd world country, or even Walley in surrey does that 51% comment apply, but i think if we go by region or even city/area, the numbers would be far significantly different.
Reverse discrimination's only a problem for govt jobs.. TV might give a different impression, but no law forces companies to do that in the private sector.
If you're a kid who gets molested or if you're a native who got fucked over by the govt way back when, you're a victim. If you don't have access to 5-10% of the jobs or spots in school for various unfair reasons because you are either:
1) white
2) not white
3) a man
4) a woman
You're not a victim. You're just crying.
The problem is all the essential and emergency services are government or municipality jobs. Firefighters, EMT's, Police, RCMP, for example. These positions should be filled by the people best suited for that kind of work, who score the highest on their tests and perform the best in their interviews. Not because they don't have X number of minority Y.
Garbage men, who cares? If I ever need an EMT to save my life I want the man/woman who is going to do the best job, not someone who's a filler to meet a government equality mandate. What happens when you don't select your candidates this way? Monty Robinson.
What TheNewGirl said about sexual harassment is the truth. Sexual harassment may include "mere" words or glances but there are a lot more serious cases than those that you must not be aware of...
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You can argue that if a man was sexually harrassed by a woman, it won't have the same stigma and perhaps punishment as if it was the other way around.
Yes but do you think it's men who file the majority of sexual harrasment claims? I'm sure as fuck not pulling up a study for that because we both know the result.
Your chances of geting run over and killed by a clai on no3 road in richmond in broad daylight are higher than to have a man file a sexual harrasement suit.
Stereotypes suck but they are there for a reason, because more often than not they are true. As an boss/businessman would you take any % increase resulting in lower profits if you could chose? I know I sure as fuck wouldn't.
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Its kind of sexist to assume that women will be sexually harassed if hired -and- that they're the only ones who are capable of being sexually harassed
You mean the big fat elephant prancing around the room trying to sell you her kids chocolates for school? Or the one inviting people to her kids bday party while your trying to work? Please be specific.
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It's kind of ignorant to pretend there isn't a big fat elephant walking around the office.
You can argue that if a man was sexually harrassed by a woman, it won't have the same stigma and perhaps punishment as if it was the other way around.
Sure, and I believe what you're saying is true and unfair. Sexual harassment is serious and no one should get away with it.
That's sort of shooting off from the point of my post though. The point is that people posting here are denying that sexual harassment/abuse happens and they're dismissing it as being a rare case.
I disagree with their view on it because I know a lot more people who have endured MORE than just an unwanted (and sadly sometimes unavoidable) gropes in a club/bar or inappropriate comments than people who have not.
Sure, and I believe what you're saying is true and unfair. Sexual harassment is serious and no one should get away with it.
That's sort of shooting off from the point of my post though. The point is that people posting here are denying that sexual harassment/abuse happens and they're dismissing it as being a rare case.
I disagree with their view on it because I know a lot more people who have endured MORE than just an unwanted (and sadly sometimes unavoidable) gropes in a club/bar or inappropriate comments than people who have not.
If your a chick working a bar expect to get groped. If a guy doesn't like something about the job he leaves, a girl however way higher chances of hitting you and your company with a "sexual harrasment" law suit.
So thanks for giving us more reasons to hire you ladies. Wear more skimpy clothing to distract guys from work and complain that your skirt is too tight so you can't change the water cooler bottle, expect the men to do it. Yes your really helping out in the work place!
Sure, and I believe what you're saying is true and unfair. Sexual harassment is serious and no one should get away with it.
That's sort of shooting off from the point of my post though. The point is that people posting here are denying that sexual harassment/abuse happens and they're dismissing it as being a rare case.
I disagree with their view on it because I know a lot more people who have endured MORE than just an unwanted (and sadly sometimes unavoidable) gropes in a club/bar or inappropriate comments than people who have not.
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If your a chick working a bar expect to get groped. If a guy doesn't like something about the job he leaves, a girl however way higher chances of hitting you and your company with a "sexual harrasment" law suit.
So thanks for giving us more reasons to hire you ladies. Wear more skimpy clothing to distract guys from work and complain that your skirt is too tight so you can't change the water cooler bottle, expect the men to do it. Yes your really helping out in the work place!
What are you stating right now? That women have a higher chances of filing a lawsuit? I've already addressed that and agreed that it is both true and unfair. Bring new material please. On behalf of women everywhere, I apologize if someone has abused the system and made or exaggerated a claim.
We wear distracting clothes? What office are you working in? Professional women and women in business have to at least look the part, since the opinions in this thread suggest we're incapable of performing any work. How hard would it be to promote these ideas in the workplace? A simple policy/sign-off procedure would do.
Sorry you feel so burdened that you have to change the water cooler because I'm physically incapable of lifting 18.9 liters of water without making a mess. Bitter much?
Why are you complaining about women taking time off work to handle family matters? When or if you have children, would you volunteer to take the day off to tend to the family? No, because you're the man. You're the bread-winner. Somebody has to fucking do it--if not you, then who?
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Expect to be groped? Is that the way you think it should be? Please confirm that what you are saying is that I should expect to be groped and think nothing of it. Are you saying that my body is to be groped and that's OK?
What purpose do you think high heels and knee length skirts serve in the office enviroment?
Yes I do feel burdened by changing the water cooler when you demand the same pay as us yet you can't do certain menial tasks without help.
Better make sure your not hiring any single moms then. Incase you havn't noticed these are all reasons you dont get paid the same as a man.
Well if you work in a bar enviroment of drunks in party mode and dont expect some drunk to eventually grope you....must looka like a man!
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What are you stating right now? That women have a higher chances of filing a lawsuit? I've already addressed that and agreed that it is both true and unfair. Bring new material please. On behalf of women everywhere, I apologize if someone has abused the system and made or exaggerated a claim.
We wear distracting clothes? What office are you working in? Professional women and women in business have to at least look the part, since the opinions in this thread suggest we're incapable of performing any work. How hard would it be to promote these ideas in the workplace? A simple policy/sign-off procedure would do.
Sorry you feel so burdened that you have to change the water cooler because I'm physically incapable of lifting 18.9 liters of water without making a mess. Bitter much?
Why are you complaining about women taking time off work to handle family matters? When or if you have children, would you volunteer to take the day off to tend to the family? No, because you're the man. You're the bread-winner. Somebody has to fucking do it--if not you, then who?
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Expect to be groped? Is that the way you think it should be? Please confirm that what you are saying is that I should expect to be groped and think nothing of it. Are you saying that my body is to be groped and that's OK?
What purpose do you think high heels and knee length skirts serve in the office enviroment?
Yes I do feel burdened by changing the water cooler when you demand the same pay as us yet you can't do certain menial tasks without help.
Better make sure your not hiring any single moms then. Incase you havn't noticed these are all reasons you dont get paid the same as a man.
Well if you work in a bar enviroment of drunks in party mode and dont expect some drunk to eventually grope you....must looka like a man!
There's a difference between a closed .5 in. - 2 in. heel and straight-up 4 - 5in strappy, platform sandals... Flats are considered unprofessional. Even in a pantsuit, no man or woman is going to take you seriously in the type of business situation we're talking about if you wear chunky dress shoes.
And in case you didn't know, it used to be that it was frowned upon for women to wear pants because women were not allowed to look the same as men. Don't get it twisted.
Please do yourself a favour and get laid if legs exposed only below the knee is enough to distract you from your work.
Interesting that you would pass up the opportunity to hire someone if they were the most qualified by far because of their inability to change a water cooler. Or that you would pay someone less for their work because of such a fact when its not a part of their job description.
LOL? In case I haven't noticed these are the reasons I don't get paid as much as a man? In any of my posts did I bitch about getting paid less than men? Fucks wrong with u bro.
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I'm sure no women have ever flirted in the work place to get men to do work for them either. I mean thats more of a lazy man thing to do right?
Sorry you fell for it. I never called men lazy either. I'm not hating on men here at all. Your reading comprehension on the other hand...
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