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04-01-2011, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by carisear  a thousand years ago it was common knowledge the world was flat. it's that basic.
creationism was extremely accepted by scientists world wide at that time too.
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just because something is widely accepted by people doesn't necessarily mean its true. | 
Matthew 4:8, "The devil took him (Jesus) to a very high mountain and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence...."
The only plausible reason for the "very high mountain" was that the altitude would make it possible to see to the ends of the earth. Only on a flat earth would this be remotely possible, so the New Testament writers were as ignorant as the Old.
Yea, people widely think the Earth was flat.... I wonder why... 
Evolution is not a 'belief'. It's a straight up FACT. People widely believed in flat earth, but they didn't have the evidence to back it up as a fact.
Anyway, getting back on topic.
Fuck this science minister. SP makes a good point about economic recovery vs religious idiocy...
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04-01-2011, 07:28 PM
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#77 | | ...in the world.
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I'm quite torn.
My values are mostly Liberal. I'm all about the economy. I could care less about welfare cases, immigrants, moral values and such. I'll support environmental reforms that won't cause me much of an inconvenience.
But Ignatieff seems like a douche. He hasn't done anything to convince me he's fit to lead the country. I'm slightly more convinced with him than Dion but still.
And I don't want to vote Conservative, Green, or NDP.
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04-01-2011, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo Yea, people widely think the Earth was flat.... I wonder why...
Evolution is not a 'belief'. It's a straight up FACT. People widely believed in flat earth, but they didn't have the evidence to back it up as a fact.
Anyway, getting back on topic.
Fuck this science minister. SP makes a good point about economic recovery vs religious idiocy... | During years and years of various chemistry, biology and anthropology classes at UBC, I've learned to never accept anything that isn't proven to be fact.
Evolution is not a fact. It is a theory. Unless something similar can be replicated or it's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, it is not a fact. No one with brains is ever going to tell you evolution is a fact. Studies and experiments have supported the theory of evolution but that isn't proof. No one was there and no one can tell us for sure what happened.
I'm not saying evolution is true. I'm not saying creationism is true. Neither has been proven and therefore, neither is fact.
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Evolution is indeed a theory, but it must be the theory we live by until we know better. Not some fucking story book.
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04-01-2011, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp True, but to me personally, I think the economy is a more important issue than gay marriage and the like. Since the Tories are the only ones on the right side economically, my vote has to go that way. | I think the Liberals might actually have a better economic plan than the Conservatives...but I can see the Conservatives working it out as well.
Anything with moral issues such as drugs or gay marriage are just noise to me. The government shouldn't be responsible for stuff like this. The only lazy parents that think Marilyn Manson is responsible for Columbine give a shit.
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04-01-2011, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp Evolution is indeed a theory, but it must be the theory we live by until we know better. Not some fucking story book. | Not disagreeing. But I hate when people state evolution is a fact like they were there to watch the Big Bang. It's a theory just like the theory of intelligent design.
Anyone that dismisses creationism simply because of it's religion connotation is basically as moronic as religion nuts that won't listen to science. I'm rather sure I have all the information about both.
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04-01-2011, 07:49 PM
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Anyone that dismisses creationism is an intelligent human being who hasn't been brainwashed.
If you do anything but dismiss the "facts" they go by, and not be religious yourself, then you're just dumb.
Evolutionism is a theory. Creationism is a goofy story people have been telling for a few years.
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04-01-2011, 08:05 PM
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#83 | | I don't get it
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Originally Posted by Blaupunkt69 The loss of the PC party to a merged Conservative party means there are less options for voters. Its a move towards a dysfunctional 2-party system like they have in the US. The more parties you have, the more likely you will find one that aligns with most of your ideologies | Like how the Liberals won back to back majorities when the PC/Reform vote was split?
The merger saved conservatism in Canada.
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04-01-2011, 08:56 PM
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#84 | | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
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Originally Posted by Ronin Not disagreeing. But I hate when people state evolution is a fact like they were there to watch the Big Bang. It's a theory just like the theory of intelligent design. | Intelligent design is as much a theory as the flying spaghetti monster is. Just because you can't disprove it doesn't mean it's valid.
The theory of evolution is infinitely more valid and is heavily supported by empirical data.
I understand your point, but it is completely moot.
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04-01-2011, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronin During years and years of various chemistry, biology and anthropology classes at UBC, I've learned to never accept anything that isn't proven to be fact.
Evolution is not a fact. It is a theory. Unless something similar can be replicated or it's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, it is not a fact. No one with brains is ever going to tell you evolution is a fact. Studies and experiments have supported the theory of evolution but that isn't proof. No one was there and no one can tell us for sure what happened.
I'm not saying evolution is true. I'm not saying creationism is true. Neither has been proven and therefore, neither is fact. | This is wrong, and means you have not looked into the evidence into Evolution enough.
You can call Evolution a Theory if you want, but it's really a fact.
Are you really going to say the same thing about "Germ Theory", "Kinetic Molecular Theory", "Big Bang Theory", "Quantum Theory"?
Aren't they just theories too?? How is evolutionary theory any different? Are you telling me you don't know the previous theories I listed to be true, either?
"Theory" is a bit of a misnomer. Evolutionary Theory is everything we know in evolution in facts (like, allele crossing, gene pools), unified together in a harmonizing theory.
The fact that evolution occurs is absolutely true, documented by PLENTY of evidence.
This is going further off-topic, but I felt it needed to be address.
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04-01-2011, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by darkfroggy Like how the Liberals won back to back majorities when the PC/Reform vote was split?
The merger saved conservatism in Canada. | Think about what your saying. If you are saying majority it doesn't mean shit if the cons had one party. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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04-01-2011, 11:47 PM
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#87 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by darkfroggy Like how the Liberals won back to back majorities when the PC/Reform vote was split?
The merger saved conservatism in Canada. | saved it from what? The Liberals were winning majorities while the left had more than one party to choose from and they were getting votes in Quebec as well. The main idea I was getting at was its important to have a multiple party system so voters have less to compromise on when choosing a candidate. This was reflected by some of the responses to this quiz ie. Liberal-leaning conservatives who don't support the social conservatism.
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04-01-2011, 11:54 PM
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For people voting conservative because of the economy: 
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04-02-2011, 12:05 AM
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#89 | | I don't get it
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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane Think about what your saying. If you are saying majority it doesn't mean shit if the cons had one party. Posted via RS Mobile | Think about what you're saying.
I'll illustrate with an example.
Liberal Party: 18000 votes
Reform Party: 14000 votes
Progressive Conservative: 10000 votes
"Conservative" votes: 24000
Liberal votes: 18000
A majority of the population is Conservative, yet the riding goes to the Liberals. Now, repeat this across numerous ridings. See how vote-splitting can give parties majority governments?
If they were both united under one party, then the "Conservatives" would have easily taken this riding.
Also see: strategic voting.
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04-02-2011, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo
Matthew 4:8, "The devil took him (Jesus) to a very high mountain and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence...."
The only plausible reason for the "very high mountain" was that the altitude would make it possible to see to the ends of the earth. Only on a flat earth would this be remotely possible, so the New Testament writers were as ignorant as the Old. |
Wow, you're taking that literally and making a really bad assumption there.
Why are you thinking that it's "the only plausible reason for the very high mountain" There's a lot of imagery and emotion that is brought to you seeing the world from up above. If I told you you could be king of Vancouver, wouldn't it help just a little if I took you to the top of Grouse? You're trying to tell me that the view there wouldn't move you emotionally at all?
You don't have the believe the bible. Nobody is making you.
But please don't jump to asinine assumptions thinking everything written down is wrong. I think your fellow atheists are just a little ashamed of you.
Think a little with basic logic before you speak?
Anyways, back on topic. You know how people say that Middle canada has all the vote, and here in the west, our voices are never heard? What is that that we want here in the west that they don't want in the east? I'd assume it's all the same thing?
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04-02-2011, 03:24 PM
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im pretty disappointed with who we have to vote for...
they all pretty much suck, but the one party thats against MORE gun control are the converses..
so it comes down to who doesn't want to take my guns away.
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04-02-2011, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by darkfroggy Think about what you're saying.
I'll illustrate with an example.
Liberal Party: 18000 votes
Reform Party: 14000 votes
Progressive Conservative: 10000 votes
"Conservative" votes: 24000
Liberal votes: 18000
A majority of the population is Conservative, yet the riding goes to the Liberals. Now, repeat this across numerous ridings. See how vote-splitting can give parties majority governments?
If they were both united under one party, then the "Conservatives" would have easily taken this riding.
Also see: strategic voting. | Irrelevent again. Just because someone voted cons pre merger doesn't mean they would vote them pro, especially during a different time of politics. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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04-02-2011, 04:08 PM
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culverin: economic resources. And more voice in the senate. Posted via RS Mobile
Also how do you think alberta feels, picking up economic fail provinces.
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04-02-2011, 05:43 PM
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Love how a political thread turned into a religious debate...LOL
In the end it doesn't matter which party you vote for, whos right and whos wrong...what really matters is that people actually get out and do it. I would love to see how many people on here leaning hard one way or the other find some excuse to get out to the polls in May.....It makes me very sad inside to think of all those that gave their lives willingly to protect the democratic process through the ages and for the majority to not give 2 shits about voting  | |
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04-02-2011, 06:30 PM
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04-02-2011, 07:04 PM
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Well the election just came to my front door. My local NDP candidate just came by. He was well informed of the Water Treatment industry I am currently a student of which impressed me. Beats all the junk mail I've been getting from the Conservative MP over the last couple years including a real gem of a Canadian flag print with her name on it.
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04-02-2011, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Manic! For people voting conservative because of the economy: | This, this, and this.
Remember that Harper wanted to LOOSEN the controls on banking. now he's saying we have to best banking world in the system, etc.
Harper did NOT do a lot for the economy, as Canada was already doing well to begin with. You can thank the Liberals for not deregulating the banks a-la the US system.
That being said, a lot of things have changed. You shouldn't vote Liberal just because Martin managed it well.
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04-03-2011, 09:01 AM
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LOL my friend just sent me a picture of Alice Wong, Richmond's conservative MP, sleeping in church. Just full on slumped over from boredom Posted via RS Mobile | |
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