The Official 2011/2012 Canucks Thread

[jeedee]

Originally Posted by UFO

Maybe he conspired to have Salo rupture his Achilles somehow... the way our d-men were getting injured just as another was ready to come back in and play last season, you couldn't script it any better than that.

...This isn't a hollywood movie. Injuries are real

No wonder your username is UFO..you just love to believe and make up conspiracies huh?

[BlackZRoadster]

^ dont you mean all the clipping

[MR_BIGGS]

TSNBobMcKenzie

Bieksa deal: Year 1: $2.5M sal/$4.5M sb. Year 2: $1M sal/$3.5M sb. Year 3: $4M sal/$1M sb. Year 4: $3M sal/$1M sb. Year 5: $2.5M sal.

[UFO]

Originally Posted by jeedee

Clarke didn't offer Kesler at 4 yrs at 1.9M...the offer sheet was 1 yr at 1.9M. That's equivalent to 1 first rounder at most.

My bad, got his deal mixed up with Ohlund's offersheet... I think. It was a long time ago. Had Philly signed Kes, Canucks would have gotten back a 2nd round pick for compensation. Kes then resigned 3 yrs at $5.25M for the term.

[UFO]

Originally Posted by jeedee

...This isn't a hollywood movie. Injuries are real.

You probably missed the e-sarc...

With all the injuries on our back end, timing of guys going out and guys coming in, how it helped our cap situation at the beginning of the season and prior to the trade deadline, you can't see all of this and say that there wasn't a lot of good luck and coincidences going on. Hey, maybe we used up all of our puck luck during the season which led us to catching zero bounces in the finals.

No conspiracies, but I believe MG to be a sneaky little weasel when it comes to technicalities and exploiting the CBA rules, for the better of course. With his background, I have no doubt he'll milk out whatever he can.

[spideyv2]

Originally Posted by MR_BIGGS

TSNBobMcKenzie

Bieksa deal: Year 1: $2.5M sal/$4.5M sb. Year 2: $1M sal/$3.5M sb. Year 3: $4M sal/$1M sb. Year 4: $3M sal/$1M sb. Year 5: $2.5M sal.

I'm an idiot, so what exactly do all those numbers mean? I know 4.6 is the caphit, but all that 2.5/4.5 1/3.5 shit confuses me

[MR_BIGGS]

I personally think Salo could have come back way earlier than Gillis had us believe. The timing of him coming back was so coincidental to another one of our dmen going out.

With them so close to the cap, you know Gillis was up to something.

The only way Ballard gets unloaded, is if a team that is just trying to make the basement salary cap takes on his contract. I don't see this happening. Do people actually think the Canucks could get a top 6 dmen for him?

I personally think he'll be a top 4 dman next season.

[MR_BIGGS]

Originally Posted by jayare604

I'm an idiot, so what exactly do all those numbers mean? I know 4.6 is the caphit, but all that 2.5/4.5 1/3.5 shit confuses me

LOL...i dunno either :S I just copy n pasted what Mackenzie had on his twitter...lol

[jeedee]

Originally Posted by jayare604

I'm an idiot, so what exactly do all those numbers mean? I know 4.6 is the caphit, but all that 2.5/4.5 1/3.5 shit confuses me

TSNBobMcKenzie

Bieksa deal: Year 1: $2.5M sal/$4.5M sb. Year 2: $1M sal/$3.5M sb. Year 3: $4M sal/$1M sb. Year 4: $3M sal/$1M sb. Year 5: $2.5M sal.

SB=Salary Bonus

[sonick]

Originally Posted by jayare604

I'm an idiot, so what exactly do all those numbers mean? I know 4.6 is the caphit, but all that 2.5/4.5 1/3.5 shit confuses me

What he gets paid in cash vs. what his cap hit is is different.

e.g. If somebody signed 2 years, for 10mil, first year he gets 9mil second year he gets paid 1mil, the cap hit is still 5mil.

I think SB he is referring to is signing bonus.

[UFO]

SB is signing bonus? I'm pretty sure the salary AND signing bonus both count on the cap hit. The CBA expiring soon may be why he's only making $1M in year 2 with a 3.5M signing bonus, if the league forces players to take a % salary paycut like they did with the last CBA but the SB doesn't get affected, this structure ensures that Bieksa will still get the majority of his $.

[MR_BIGGS]

Hawks trade Tomas Kopecky to Panthers for 7th rd pick in 2012 or 2013.

Damn they have a lot of cap space to play with. I wonder who lands Richards...the guy wants long term at 7 mill per...

[spideyv2]

Originally Posted by jeedee

TSNBobMcKenzie

Bieksa deal: Year 1: $2.5M sal/$4.5M sb. Year 2: $1M sal/$3.5M sb. Year 3: $4M sal/$1M sb. Year 4: $3M sal/$1M sb. Year 5: $2.5M sal.

SB=Salary Bonus

[RacingMetro92]

Originally Posted by MR_BIGGS

The only way Ballard gets unloaded, is if a team that is just trying to make the basement salary cap takes on his contract.

Florida has over 22 million to play with before they even reach the cap floor.

But in all seriousness, his chances of getting top 4 minutes are pretty slim unless he shows AV that he deserves it, clearly there's something up between those two, and the team is stuck with a $4.2 million benchwarmer.

[jeedee]

you asked for it jayare

[spideyv2]

[MR_BIGGS]

From Puck Daddy

The Hall of Fame Pool

Dave Andreychuk, LW

He's 13th all-time in goals with 640 and fifth in games played, playing a vital role in the Tampa Bay Lightning's 2004 Stanley Cup championship. He's the best power-play goal scorer in NHL history with 274, better than Brett Hull or Mario Lemieux. As with others on this list, he name means something: He's the immovable object with great hands in front of the net, a connoisseur of garbage goals and a consummate professional.

Ed Belfour, G

The only first-year eligible player with a prayer of making the cut. Two Vezina Trophies, four Jennings Trophies, the Calder for rookie of the year and a Stanley Cup championship to his credit. He's third in wins for his career (484) and fourth in career saves (22,434). The knocks on Eddie are that he wasn't as dominant a goalie as some of his peers, posting a career .906 save percentage despite playing during the trap years; and his off-the-ice troubles may have him Ciccarelli'd out of a first-year induction.

Pavel Bure, RW

Bure has 437 goals in 702 games, placing him sixth all-time (0.623) in the NHL. Of the rest of the top 10, only Alex Ovechkin(notes) and Tim Kerr aren't in the Hall of Fame. He has 779 points in 702 games, a points-per-game average that ranks him 24th all-time. He won the Calder and two Richard Trophies, leading the League in goals three times.

The case for Bure as a Hall of Fame player has been made again and again and again and again. The reasons are simple: He has the numbers, despite not having a Hart or a Stanley Cup; and his name means something to a generation of fans and peers. To be compared to Pavel Bure today is to be compared to an offensive star of unparalleled speed and goal-scoring ability. He was a once in a generation player; will he be counted among the immortals?

Guy Carbonneau, C

If membership in the Hockey Hall of Fame was ever dedicated to being the best player at your position during a given era, then Carbonneau would warrant serious consideration. He won three Selke Trophies and three Stanley Cups, ranking 14th all-time in shorthanded goals (32). He was one of the best shutdown centers of all-time, and scored 663 points along with it.

Doug Gilmour, C

"Killer" was thought by many to be tabbed for the Hall in 2010, but as snubbed. He has 450 goals, 1,414 points, one Stanley Cup and a Selke Trophy, as well as some other impressive intangibles from Joe Pelletier:

Gilmour has reputation as a hockey warrior. He was an imperative piece of the 1989 Stanley Cup championship in Calgary. He willed Toronto to two consecutive final four appearances in the 1990s, not to mention two more in St. Louis a few years before that. He is seventh all time in Stanley Cup playoffs scoring, 5th in terms of assists. His points per game production actually increased in the playoffs. The only other of the NHL's top 50 all time to also be able to make that claim is Mark Messier. So there can be no doubting Gilmour's big game presence.

Pelletier joked last year that he was surprised Gilmour wasn't already in the Hall given its Toronto-centric focus. Perhaps that will be remedied this year.

Eric Lindros, C

Yup, time to fire up this debate for another year.

The case for Lindros isn't necessarily stats-based, although he's 18th all-time with a points per game average of 1.14. It isn't awards-based, despite having both a Hart and a Pearson in the truncated 1994-95 season. It's impact-based: Lindros was one of the dominant, game-changing forces in the NHL during his time with the Philadelphia Flyers in the dead puck era, before concussions cost him his career.

There are great arguments for and against his inclusion in the Hall. But the only arguments that matter are the ones that will occur, again, amongst the selection committee.

Joe Nieuwendyk, C

He's 21st in goals scored with 564 and 11th in power-play goals at 215. He won the Calder in 1988 and the King Clancy in 1995. But the case for Nieuwendyk is based on the prestige: Three Stanley Cups with three different teams, and a Conn Smythe Trophy in 1999 with the Dallas Stars for 21 points in 23 games and six game-winning goals. Never the most dominant NHL player; just one of the most clutch and well-respected ones.

Adam Oates, C

What if we told you a player had 1,420 career points, placing him 16th all-time behind 12 Hall of Famers, two sure-things (Sakic, Jagr) and one probable (Mark Recchi(notes))? What if this player led the League in assists three times, and ranks sixth all-time with 1,079 helpers — surrounded by nine Hall of Fame players in the Top 10?

Sure-fire Hall of Famer?

OK, but what if this player never one a major NHL award or championship? What if his only claim to postseason fame is a second-team NHL All-Star Team appearance in 1991? What if his greatest claim to fame is as the co-star to a legendary sniper named Brett Hull?

[spideyv2]

Going by hockeysfuture.com rankings, would you consider Pavel Bure a 10(generational talent, ie gretzky, lemieux, orr etc) or a 9(elite player, ie sakic, roenick, lidstrom etc)

[sonick]

9

[Gt-R R34]

BURE: neither.

8. roenick.

[skippynixx]

Originally Posted by Ch28

Canucks need to stop handing out NTC like candy with all their contracts

I agree, Players may work a little harder if they know they can be shipped out at anytime.

[7seven]

Lapierre resigned. 2 years for $2mil, cap hit of $1mil per. Great value

[spideyv2]

Lapierre signs!

HockeyyInsiderr Hockeyy Insiderr
Max Lapierre signs 2 year extension with #Canucks worth $1m per year.

renhockey Renaud P Lavoie
Maxim Lapierre #canucks 2 ans (years) / 2 millions total.

edit - lol beat to it

[jeedee]

latrollpierre stays. Love that signing, what a steal!

[CPE]

Definitely an upgrade for the fourth line center.