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Old Today, 10:21 AM   #27776
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Except it would SUCK to see 60,000 people out of work, many of them probably won't be able to find replacement jobs with the same income or benefits.

I always think about what if my dad/uncle/aunt whomever was a postal worker. Obviously you dont' want to see people lose their jobs who are older and will be impacted more negatively than others who can easily retrain.

But then again, 5 day a week door-to-door delivery is totally unnecessary right now. And if my dad had to work Saturdays in order to keep his job, i'm pretty sure he'd have no problem with that.

Also if my dad had to work for a full 8 hours and lose the perk finishing early and heading home but still being paid a full shift, I'm sure he'd be ok with that too. Yeah it sucks, but we all have to adapt.
Well.. throughout time, jobs cease to exist

Go down to mail delivery a couple times a week, cut your labour force, make people retire who are making $$$ compared to new hires.

It’s totally unsustainable as it’s structured. Unions would rather jobs not exist at all than adjust their expectations based on reality
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The postal worker union is another example that readily comes to mind. At this point, if they continue to refuse to accept the reality that Canada Post's current business model is completely unsustainable, the whole corporation is just gonna collaspe.

In fact, at this point, I think it is far better for the federal gov to just let Canada Post collaspe and file for bankrupty, with no further gov funding injections. Then once CP goes into receivership, the federal gov can form a new dept / crown corp to buy up CP's assets at bankruptcy price and start all over again -- except this time, the CBA will actually reflect the realities of a viable business model in today's mail and parcel delivery sector.
It's infuriating how the union insists on a system of inefficiency. Same with the port of Vancouver and what Hobz was complaining about.

Unions were needed in certain time in history, and also probably dealing with crooks like Telus and Shaw, but the time of unions for crown or gov't positions is long in the past.
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The steelworkers union literally destroyed the Telus workforce.

The only people still around from the negotiations are the union workers.
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Except it would SUCK to see 60,000 people out of work, many of them probably won't be able to find replacement jobs with the same income or benefits.
I agree it sucks to see all 60k CP employees be out of work. On the other hand, businesses and employment come and go. It's all part of the ever present business and labour churn. What we have right now is a totally non-viable business model that does not serve the needs of the public, and require recurring injections of large sums of public funding to keep the crown corp afloat. In the normal private sector, the company would have been bankrupt many times already.

EI lasts for up to 45 weeks, and I'm sure federal labour laws would require additional severence benefits on top of EI. So those people getting laid off aren't just being left out in the cold to rot and die.

In the end, somebody is gonna foot the bill when a business model falls apart. I am vehemently against the public being the one to foot the bill when it is so blantantly obvious that the business model no longer works, but the @#(*$)@# union just refuses to accept that reality, and forces the federal gov to keep throwing good tax dollars after the bad to keep this failed business afloat.

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things for sure can be adjusted based on how the model is, but trying to start from scratch will be HILARIOUSLY ineffective. Can you imagine how many hundreds of millions will be spent on the logistics of creating something? The government doesn’t have a good track record of making new things lately. They’d just contract some fucking consultants to do it for 4000x what it should cost.
Would CP really be starting from scratch again? In my mind, the plan would unfold more like a new investor / new management buying out a struggling business, fire all the highly paid / redundant / obsolete staff as much as it can, and then rebuild / restructure the whole company again while using as much (or as little) of the existing logistics and infrastructures as it is reasonable to do so.

You do have a point about the Turdeau Liberals being extremely wasteful on hiring consultants at 1000x of what they are worth. I'd hope the Carney Liberals being far more stingy on loosening the purse strings, but Carney alone can't control all these frontline details.
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I would say not all 60k CP employees would be out of work, if anything a majority of them would be rehired but given new job descriptions and efficiencies removed from the system. There's still going to be a mail system, majority of the function still exists, just with new descriptions and responsibilities.
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Lol who are we kidding? A reconstituted Canada Post is just going to be TFWs from India making $17.85/hr with no benefits leaving your mail on your front porch/common area like how every other delivery company operates today.

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Lol who are we kidding? A reconstituted Canada Post is just going to be TFWs from India making $17.85/hr with no benefits leaving your mail on your front porch/common area like how every other delivery company operates today.

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I'd say if there ever is a reconstitution of CP, there's going to be a line item to have to rehire first before TFW. And TFW is going to be harder and harder to come by in the next few years as the clamp down on diploma mills continue.

I look forward to the day when all the BS universities are gone.
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I agree it sucks to see all 60k CP employees be out of work. On the other hand, businesses and employment come and go. It's all part of the ever present business and labour churn. What we have right now is a totally non-viable business model that does not serve the needs of the public, and require recurring injections of large sums of public funding to keep the crown corp afloat. In the normal private sector, the company would have been bankrupt many times already.

EI lasts for up to 45 weeks, and I'm sure federal labour laws would require additional severence benefits on top of EI. So those people getting laid off aren't just being left out in the cold to rot and die.

In the end, somebody is gonna foot the bill when a business model falls apart. I am vehemently against the public being the one to foot the bill when it is so blantantly obvious that the business model no longer works, but the @#(*$)@# union just refuses to accept that reality, and forces the federal gov to keep throwing good tax dollars after the bad to keep this failed business afloat.


Would CP really be starting from scratch again? In my mind, the plan would unfold more like a new investor / new management buying out a struggling business, fire all the highly paid / redundant / obsolete staff as much as it can, and then rebuild / restructure the whole company again while using as much (or as little) of the existing logistics and infrastructures as it is reasonable to do so.

You do have a point about the Turdeau Liberals being extremely wasteful on hiring consultants at 1000x of what they are worth. I'd hope the Carney Liberals being far more stingy on loosening the purse strings, but Carney alone can't control all these frontline details.
Doesn't it kind of feel like this is a problem across the board in many sectors of work and industry? Air Canada strikes, daycare worker strikes, nurses, on and on.

It's starting to feel like so many facets of our economy are just breaking down due to affordability crises. Services are raising prices multiple times a year, everything is costing more, with less.

Things that worked economically in the past just don't seem to work anymore. It feels like its all leading to some kind of breaking point.
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Almost like there’s some weird concentration of wealth issue that we haven’t noticed that’s causing some sort of shortage of actual money in the hands of many…..
No that can’t be it.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
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The inherent flaw in seniority based employment, "I paid my dues" is that the company will offer enough for the seniors to sell out the juniors like all collective agreements, while they chant unity and solidarity.
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Just means the poors wont be able to send mail or get on planes anymore

This is such a prime example of how unions just fuck things up:



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The inherent flaw in seniority based employment, "I paid my dues" is that the company will offer enough for the seniors to sell out the juniors like all collective agreements, while they chant unity and solidarity.
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Just means the poors wont be able to send mail or get on planes anymore

This is such a prime example of how unions just fuck things up:



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Give this a read. It's a sad read, but is relevant to this discussion.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/08/13/Janitor-Died-SFU/

TLDR: Punjabi janitor lady in her 60s died during a shift at SFU. Brings up the question of whether she was overworked and what role did that play in her death.

SFU says the working environment had nothing to do with it.

Contractor doesn't respond to requests for comment.

The union says yeah we knew it was bad, and oops, we should have done something sooner, but blames the language barrier with the employees.

All those union dues, and you can't hire a translator??
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Give this a read. It's a sad read, but is relevant to this discussion.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/08/13/Janitor-Died-SFU/

TLDR: Punjabi janitor lady in her 60s died during a shift at SFU. Brings up the question of whether she was overworked and what role did that play in her death.

SFU says the working environment had nothing to do with it.

Contractor doesn't respond to requests for comment.

The union says yeah we knew it was bad, and oops, we should have done something sooner, but blames the language barrier with the employees.

All those union dues, and you can't hire a translator??
Union will release a survey to gauge how stressed membership is from the death
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My sister and my mom and dad and my niece and nephew are all supposed to go to Ireland today on AC… planning for years kids being old enough and parents healthy enough… sister fighting with ex about days she’s allowed to take the kids it’s been such a stressful thing for her to organize and now they don’t know if they’re going or not.

Still have a boarding pass and supposed to leave at 3pm but apparently even for scheduled flights a lot of FA’s are calling in sick to ground the planes. Such a bunch of bullshit.
They got so lucky, their flight just took off… lots of people stranded and sleeping at the airport.
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Sounds to me like the #1 failure goes to CUPE for totally dropping the ball on the complains. After that, it'd be the cleaning company for assigning excessive workloads.
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Sounds like a bit of everyone's fault.

Victim for doing such a labourous job at her age and with chronic health issues.

Union for not listening to their members about the complaints.

Employer for not hiring more workers and giving increased workloads.

SFU is probably the least to blame IMO.
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