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[westopher]

Yeah but now do the same as a 20 year old in the next 15 years with higher unemployment, rent 60-100% higher and groceries doubled.

[mikemhg]

To that Uber Eats stat, I'm sure Gen Zs certainly use the app more, but I feel like that data needs more context from a cause/correlation standpoint.

The cost to own a vehicle is WAY higher to that generation today than owning a vehicle when we were the same age, as a result these kids don't drive, they don't own cars. That lack of car ownership certainly has to be a factor to their delivery app usage.

When I was 19, stoned and starving, I could hop in my lil Accord-EXL and hit the McDicks drive-through, these kids aren't going to take a damn bus to grab food.

That stat reminds me of idiots who use the "well people aren't poor if can can they own a $1,000 iPhone", like the fuck that's an argument, everyone owns a damn phone in modern society.

That doesn't correlate your economic status.

[unit]

yeah what choice do people even have. yes the system is fucked with the house prices being totally disconnected with wages but all you can do is play the game as best as you can. either that or do what you gotta do to move somewhere more affordable and/or find a better paying career

[GLOW]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

these kids don't drive, they don't own cars. That lack of car ownership certainly has to be a factor to their delivery app usage.

i can tell my boys won't really want to drive. i'll have to insist they get their DL early on, much like i force them to take swim lessons - life skill. i don't care if they don't learn manual as those eventually will be phased out. and ya, they would love their food delivered to them, they get spoiled by us.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

That stat reminds me of idiots who use the "well people aren't poor if can can they own a $1,000 iPhone", like the fuck that's an argument, everyone owns a damn phone in modern society.

That doesn't correlate your economic status.

hell, i've seen homeless people and people pan handling on the street corner with better phones than me

[westopher]

For sure, no one’s saying just don’t bother, it’s just that it’s totally ignoring that it’s worse if you’re just gonna be like “this is why you can’t afford a house” rhetoric that always happens from the previous generations or “we had it just as hard.”
We totally didn’t. Every generation gets progressively more fucked economically unless they get family money.

[Eff-1]

A lot of Gen Z grew up with the idea of tapping a button and having things magically appear. The sense of "paying" for something doesn't exist in the same way like it did for me, when I had actual cash and cheques, and had to go to the ATM all the time.

There's a private high school in north van where a lot of the kids there live in residence. Sometimes I go near there to buy stuff from Theirry and if you watch for 15 or 20 mins, you'll see a constant stream of Skip and Doordash drivers rolling up, delivering things like a single order of fries, or one DQ blizzard, to some rando teenager.

On top of that, kids are coming and going all day long via Ubers.

Could you imagine as a teen just tapping your phone and having a private car pull up just for you? That's messed up.

They just tapping away with no understanding how much things cost.

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by Eff-1

A lot of Gen Z grew up with the idea of tapping a button and having things magically appear. The sense of "paying" for something doesn't exist in the same way like it did for me, when I had actual cash and cheques, and had to go to the ATM all the time.

There's a private high school in north van where a lot of the kids there live in residence. Sometimes I go near there to buy stuff from Theirry and if you watch for 15 or 20 mins, you'll see a constant stream of Skip and Doordash drivers rolling up, delivering things like a single order of fries, or one DQ blizzard, to some rando teenager.

On top of that, kids are coming and going all day long via Ubers.

Could you imagine as a teen just tapping your phone and having a private car pull up just for you? That's messed up.

They just tapping away with no understanding how much things cost.

Those kids are powered by parents... No way I'm gonna pay for my kids to get food delivered and private drivers! If they want that kind of service, go get a job!

[unit]

kids will never know what it's like to agree to meet your friend at metrotown at 5pm and have them not show up for like an hour, and you just sit there wondering where tf they are or if they're even coming.
shit like that was the real struggle of being a 14yo

[Badhobz]

These kids are trash. They have no work ethics (I’m typing this while sitting on my toilet at home)

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Eff-1

A lot of Gen Z grew up with the idea of tapping a button and having things magically appear. The sense of "paying" for something doesn't exist in the same way like it did for me, when I had actual cash and cheques, and had to go to the ATM all the time.

There's a private high school in north van where a lot of the kids there live in residence. Sometimes I go near there to buy stuff from Theirry and if you watch for 15 or 20 mins, you'll see a constant stream of Skip and Doordash drivers rolling up, delivering things like a single order of fries, or one DQ blizzard, to some rando teenager.

On top of that, kids are coming and going all day long via Ubers.

Could you imagine as a teen just tapping your phone and having a private car pull up just for you? That's messed up.

They just tapping away with no understanding how much things cost.

lol the kids at bodwell? No shit, they will never understand what anything costs. They all have CEO jobs waiting for them at their parents companies when they are done. School is just a formality.

[Eff-1]

Yes that's bodwell, but I think my point still applies across the board. I live near Argyle and while they aren't like Bodwell kids getting their food doordashed, they all grew up with apps and are used to tap tap tap, get what you want.

[Eff-1]

Here's a new one for me.

About 6 years ago I had a person I managed. She was quite good. She left shortly after to start grad school in Europe. Every once in a while she reaches out asking for a reference, and I always say sure.

Yesterday I get this note asking for a reference (my first thought was still?? six years later, is there nobody else you can ask by now lol) and I say sure.

She says it's a bit different this time.

She's applying for a "consultant" role in the US and needs to apply for a TN visa.

Her lawyers want to be extra careful with the border drama lately and have asked every single one of her previous employers to sign a letter saying her role was "consultative" in nature to avoid being denied at the border.

Her lawyers drafted a letter and she asked if I'd sign it.

I said maaaaybe, let me see it first.

Keep in mind this person, as good as she was, was doing a fairly entry level role at the time for me.

The letter arrives. They said i'm allowed to request some edits but as long as it still keeps the role as being consultative in nature.

Her lawyers changed her title from Project Manager to "Marketing Operations Consultant" then listed a a bunch of job duties that didb't really match up with the actual role she had.

As expected, they made her sound way more senior/experienced and more of an internal consultant than her actual role which was external client facing liaison.

She said the reference is less for the company (who already want to hire her) and more for the border guard who may or may not decide to grill her.

If you were in my shoes, would you sign it?

[westopher]

There’s nothing I’d rather do than lie to the US government for a Canadians benefit right now. I dream of the day I get to lie under oath as well. It depends on the person though, they’d have to be someone I actually at least liked.

[spoon.ek9]

It's the generation of instant gratification. Immediately asking if they got the job 30-60 seconds after their interview. Asking for a huge raise after only 3 months on the job. Not understanding that their first job after Uni isn't going to magically make them afford every single thing they want in life.

We all have our struggles but there's plenty of kids out there still living at home with minimal or zero expenses other than their own spending habits. Gen Z isn't all shit, I've met a few at work who are great coworkers. Some of them spend too much imo but at least they earn their keep and take care of their own shit without crying to their parents or bitching at society for their woes.

I have one coworker, an RN, who only just recently moved out of her 1 bedroom apartment. She's married with two kids and older than me! Kids these days would think that 1 bed is beneath them and that they could never live in such conditions. They deserve better simply because.....?

[68style]

Originally Posted by Eff-1

Here's a new one for me.

About 6 years ago I had a person I managed. She was quite good. She left shortly after to start grad school in Europe. Every once in a while she reaches out asking for a reference, and I always say sure.

Yesterday I get this note asking for a reference (my first thought was still?? six years later, is there nobody else you can ask by now lol) and I say sure.

She says it's a bit different this time.

She's applying for a "consultant" role in the US and needs to apply for a TN visa.

Her lawyers want to be extra careful with the border drama lately and have asked every single one of her previous employers to sign a letter saying her role was "consultative" in nature to avoid being denied at the border.

Her lawyers drafted a letter and she asked if I'd sign it.

I said maaaaybe, let me see it first.

Keep in mind this person, as good as she was, was doing a fairly entry level role at the time for me.

The letter arrives. They said i'm allowed to request some edits but as long as it still keeps the role as being consultative in nature.

Her lawyers changed her title from Project Manager to "Marketing Operations Consultant" then listed a a bunch of job duties that didb't really match up with the actual role she had.

As expected, they made her sound way more senior/experienced and more of an internal consultant than her actual role which was external client facing liaison.

She said the reference is less for the company (who already want to hire her) and more for the border guard who may or may not decide to grill her.

If you were in my shoes, would you sign it?

I'd check with someone on the DL whether it could possibly in ANY way ever blow back on you... if not then whatever I'd do her the solid, if she is asking for stuff for a Visa she likely already has the job, it's just for the Visa like she's saying.

[spoon.ek9]

Unrelated but I didn't realize there's a pharmacy named Boomer Drugs in Vancouver lol.

[yray]

fuck uber eats actually makes sense for north shore

I'm craving mango sago dessert

So either I drive to snackshot on boundary and kingsway or first dessert at victoria and 41st which is going to cost me 4$ in gas

Or I uber eats and pay the little extra and have harddeep drive it to me

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by unit

yeah what choice do people even have. yes the system is fucked with the house prices being totally disconnected with wages but all you can do is play the game as best as you can. either that or do what you gotta do to move somewhere more affordable and/or find a better paying career

tbh, I think now knowing what I know via living through it.. I'd rather go back to renting and investing my money elsewhere instead lol. Buying a principal property as "an investment" because at least "you're not paying someone else's mortgage" was a dumb idea. Now I also gotta deal with the broken furnace, water tank, installing security systems, panel fix (cause smt blew for good and all the lights dont work lol) and pruning trees (which are a constant hazard). Do all these things on the DL and it affects your home insurance. Do it properly and it costs an arm and a leg. Renting was much easier lol.

Grass is not greener on the other side lol

[unit]

although i don't like how a house is a money pit, it's MY moneypit. lol

[Gerbs]

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

Gen Z in Canada don't work anything near 9-9-6. Most of them work 40 hours or less per week and still bitch and moan while ordering Skip the Dishes and taking Uber to work. I actually know of one person earning $20/hr and justifies taking Uber to work. Insane.

I thought this was a joke but recently met a ton of Gen Z who uber to work. Granted it's part-time job, but it's crazy to me. They're usually pretty /2nd gen immigrants, fobs or parents went to uni in Asia.

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

All while renting a one bedroom for $2500/month (or worse) and claiming there's no way for them to save money

It's their complete unwillingness to either sacrifice luxuries in the name of saving and/or their unwillingness to work more to get ahead.

Nobody rents a one bed for $2,500. it's very niche, the handful that pays $2,500 above are making $160-300K+ at 25-29, so their career prospects are high anyways

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

Do it properly and it costs an arm and a leg. Renting was much easier lol.

Grass is not greener on the other side lol

You can be smart about renting too, not everyone needs to rent a $2,500 1Bed. Now there's $2,800 2Beds popping up for new gilmore place brentwood, tons of cheap options, $3,300 3 beds, etc.

[Gerbs]

Originally Posted by westopher

Yeah but now do the same as a 20 year old in the next 15 years with higher unemployment, rent 60-100% higher and groceries doubled.

I asked my HS friend who was the first to have a kid, at 28 years old, if he had any expectations for their kids to work in STEM or business. Or would he financially support his daughter for life, if she chose arts or anything low paying that she liked to do but didn't support an independent living.

Curious what y'all think about this.

He said as a father, it's his duty to financially support her through whatever endeavors even if it makes $40-60K/year in Vancouver. He only felt this after having his first kid, before having kids he thought they must make $150K and be independent for them to be successful and be proud. This is now thrown out the window.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

tbh, I think now knowing what I know via living through it.. I'd rather go back to renting and investing my money elsewhere instead lol. Buying a principal property as "an investment" because at least "you're not paying someone else's mortgage" was a dumb idea. Now I also gotta deal with the broken furnace, water tank, installing security systems, panel fix (cause smt blew for good and all the lights dont work lol) and pruning trees (which are a constant hazard). Do all these things on the DL and it affects your home insurance. Do it properly and it costs an arm and a leg. Renting was much easier lol.

Grass is not greener on the other side lol

It's different when you have kids. The problem with renting is always going to be if you might get evicted, especially with kids.

You want the stability of owning your own place with kids.

Originally Posted by Gerbs

I asked my HS friend who was the first to have a kid, at 28 years old, if he had any expectations for their kids to work in STEM or business. Or would he financially support his daughter for life, if she chose arts or anything low paying that she liked to do but didn't support an independent living.

Curious what y'all think about this.

He said as a father, it's his duty to financially support her through whatever endeavors even if it makes $40-60K/year in Vancouver. He only felt this after having his first kid, before having kids he thought they must make $150K and be independent for them to be successful and be proud. This is now thrown out the window.

I fully expect to have to help with downpayment for my kids if it comes to it.

I am already saving into their RESP for post secondary schooling.

I'm fully prepared to have both kids live at home until their 30s. The numbers of feeding them at home isn't that bad when I need to feed myself anyways. Discretionary spending though, that's on their own.

Do I want them to be making 100k+ and be financially self sufficient? Of course. Is it the end of the world if they chose a field that matters to them but only make 60-80k? That's ok as well. As long as no one is blowing their money on hookers and blow.

[68style]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

tbh, I think now knowing what I know via living through it.. I'd rather go back to renting and investing my money elsewhere instead lol. Buying a principal property as "an investment" because at least "you're not paying someone else's mortgage" was a dumb idea. Now I also gotta deal with the broken furnace, water tank, installing security systems, panel fix (cause smt blew for good and all the lights dont work lol) and pruning trees (which are a constant hazard). Do all these things on the DL and it affects your home insurance. Do it properly and it costs an arm and a leg. Renting was much easier lol.

Grass is not greener on the other side lol

Your situation sucks ass though, you are paying into something you have ZERO control over in a family situation... it's not even an investment you're living in at this point, all the costs and none of the benefits (decor the way you want, privacy, etc). I'd want to get out of that if I were you too.

[Gerbs]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

I fully expect to have to help with downpayment for my kids if it comes to it.

I am already saving into their RESP for post secondary schooling.

I'm fully prepared to have both kids live at home until their 30s. The numbers of feeding them at home isn't that bad when I need to feed myself anyways. Discretionary spending though, that's on their own.

Do I want them to be making 100k+ and be financially self sufficient? Of course. Is it the end of the world if they chose a field that matters to them but only make 60-80k? That's ok as well. As long as no one is blowing their money on hookers and blow.

I agree with ya.

I found it extremely difficult to find a partner who was pro-actively able to understand the discipline necessary to save a DP + pay for their kids schooling. They didn't pay for school or saved for their DP themselves so it robbed their ability to plan how to save for their kids future.

I plan to do the same too, I don't think they can make it in 2050 without our help. I didn't get a head start in life but I am pretty such I have enough resources with my mom's help now to make sure everyone after us can have school and a DP covered.

[unit]

jokes on you, 100k will be the new 50k in 10 years.