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7seven · 01-27-2012, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed

the only reason people have a problem with PIVOT is because of Who they're usually standing up for and protecting, but that shouldn't be of concern and if it is its more than likely an issue you should reflect on regarding yourself

No that is not the only reason people have a problem with PIVOT, the reason why I have a major issue with PIVOT is because they lack accountability and are extremely irresponsible in how they conduct their operations.

Like in the case mentioned above about the "witness" claiming he had footage on his cell phone running to PIVOT, which turned out to be false, all he had to do was run to PIVOT and the first thing PIVOT does is call a press conference stating this as fact and pushing the police corruption angle. A couple years ago, a colleague of mine decided to test PIVOT, he went to PIVOT with a made up story about police brutality with injuries that he sustained while training, PIVOT instead of looking into his story and claims first, wanted to call a press conference right away. How is any of this behavior responsible? It's not.

While PIVOT might have started out with good intentions and have some legitimate cases, unfortunately to some and especially to me, now PIVOT has basically become the boy who cried wolf one too many times with hidden agendas.

Death2Theft · 01-27-2012, 08:14 AM

SKATEBOARDING IS A CRIME MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

Nlkko · 01-27-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by urrh

agreed.

so do they have to put the dog down now because it tasted human flesh?
heard that from somewhere about strays and regular dogs. wonder if that's the case for police dogs...

No. Police dog units are authorized to attack on command, same as officers are authorized to fire their weapons. The dog could have bitten many other criminals before.

PIVOT is a joke. It's one of those special interest groups who go around and waste society's resources.

G-spec · 01-27-2012, 09:25 AM

this guy sounds like a douche no doubt who was in the wrong but the worst he deserved is jail time and a fine for damages he caused nothing more than this, but instead he got the VPD/RCMP treatment of the good old "fck it I'm too lazy to do what my training manual says, I'll just let my tazer/k9 do the work"
I do think though that here in Vancouver unlike some other major cities we lucky that at least we dont have to really worry about the word "gun" added right after tazer and k9..... so far.....

but you know what's ridicilous... the fact that zulutango refers to a skateboard as a common weapon and makes it seem like any normal person should just lay or sit in peace while being mauled by a dog...
and you know what's inexcusable and something cops rarely get shit for.... the fact that many cops seem to have a different outlook (according to their own natural tendencies) on how to react when conflict arises even though they all had the same training...

All I'm saying is, and wishful thinking I know... how about we get some equality in the police forces and we wouldn't have a lot of the problems with the cops that we do now, why not get them on the same page so they all react and act according to their training and not their first instinct...
And what I'm talking about for those that don't have first hand experience is for example this guy gets his leg torn open for walking away from a cop, but I did the same fcking thing the other week when I walked away from a cop who was hassling me for nothing (and fck I did it fully knowingly when I looked him in the face and told him I was leaving, I literally told him I wasn't gonna cooperate since I wasn't breaking any laws) and all I got was a pep talk on the sidewalk from a mature 50+ year old officer with no doubt 20-30 years on the force...
now that's fcking proper police work, notice no dogs were released, no tazers were used....
and he even TOLD ME in the end of our convo, he says "You know you're lucky it's me and not some 20+ year old rookie who would have beaten and handcuffed you"

zulutango · 01-27-2012, 09:28 AM

"yeah your leg is being torn apart... staying completely still is really comprehensible...

As someone who has been bitten many time by Police Dogs (with padding in place and as part of training scenarios) the first thing you learn is to immediately stop fighting and trying to pull away from the dog. When you do stop resisting the dog stops pulling. I have seen this happen hundreds of times in training and many times in real life. Stop fighting and the dog stops biting. Even my own dogs at home do the same thing when I play tug of war with them.

bengy · 01-27-2012, 09:28 AM

Typical lazy pig behaviour. How many pigs are there on patrol on East Hastings? If they were too lazy to run after the dude, they could have radio ahead and a patrol car would have probably got him.

G-spec · 01-27-2012, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by zulutango

"yeah your leg is being torn apart... staying completely still is really comprehensible...

As someone who has been bitten many time by Police Dogs (with padding in place and as part of training scenarios) the first thing you learn is to immediately stop fighting and trying to pull away from the dog. When you do stop resisting the dog stops pulling. Even my own dogs at home do the same thing when I play tug of war with them.

I honestly have no idea if you're being serious at all, you can't possibly believe that every day normal working people would have the sense and presence of mind that the first thing they would do is immediately stop resisting when they have a DOG RUN UP ON THEM OUT OF NOWHERE AND START MAULING YOUR LEG

are you fcking kidding me?? especially in this case, since he had no idea it was a police dog or anything, dog just came out of nowhere and attacked him and he's supposed to act according to some police training manual only policemen know about ?

taylor192 · 01-27-2012, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by G-spec

but you know what's ridicilous... the fact that zulutango refers to a skateboard as a common weapon

I don't think it is that ridiculous. Someone who is willing to use it to break a window, may be willing to use it to do other harm.

taylor192 · 01-27-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by G-spec

I honestly have no idea if you're being serious at all, you can't possibly believe that every day normal working people would have the sense and presence of mind that the first thing they would do is immediately stop resisting when they have a DOG RUN UP ON THEM OUT OF NOWHERE AND START MAULING YOUR LEG

are you fcking kidding me?? especially in this case, since he had no idea it was a police dog or anything, dog just came out of nowhere and attacked him and he's supposed to act according to some police training manual only policemen know about ?

I'll give that that only cause he didn't know it was a police dog, otherwise I fully expect people when confronted by police to not resist... yet everyday there's footage of some idiots resisting police arrest and getting manhandled cause of it - then crying foul and lawyering up.

Gumby · 01-27-2012, 09:39 AM

Whenever one of these threads come up, it's pretty obvious who has had bad experiences with cops, and who hasn't.

G-spec · 01-27-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by taylor192

I'll give that that only cause he didn't know it was a police dog, otherwise I fully expect people when confronted by police to not resist... yet everyday there's footage of some idiots resisting police arrest and getting manhandled cause of it - then crying foul and lawyering up.

ya for sure the thing is you ALWAYS gotta co-operate with cops even when they're 100% in the wrong, that shit don't matter because that's life man, it's just the way it is... I slip up once in a while myself but for the most part it's all yes sir no sir for me..

I learned the hard way when I personally got my ass kicked by 7 cops with batons years ago, (bruised ribs, broken jaw, various bruises, stitches) and all this for having a fight break out right in front of me they thought I was a part of it even though I had my hands in my pockets the whole time....

I didn't cry or bitch to any lawyers or news outlets because I was a kid then and thought it was normal since I come from a country where cops shoot their guns in your direction just to fck with you....
now that I'm all westernized and shit, I fully realize it possibly could have meant a fat payday....

and this guy, looks like he may be getting his payday most likely... good for him, but doesn't do shit for the next guy that's gonna get mauled by a k9

Phil@rise · 01-27-2012, 09:56 AM

Whats next police dogs chewin on speeders. Fuckin sad. In this circumstance I'm sure the K9 cop just happened to be there and felt it his job to apprehend the dude but as a trained K9 cop he should have been aware of the potential outcome of his actions and called in another officer or stashed his dog in the K9 car then proceeded to apprehend the guy sans dog.

GLOW · 01-27-2012, 10:21 AM

3 pages in and i'm the only one that had this thought come to mind when seeing this post?

Pooface55 · 01-27-2012, 10:46 AM

Didn't click the pics after reading the responses. If this article prevents people from vandalizing windows I'm all for it.

Alphamale · 01-27-2012, 10:54 AM

tbh, there really isn't anything wrong with this guy getting his shit torn to pieces.

With experience being on the end of vandalism of all sorts to my parents property (multiple/repeat broken fences, graffiti) and also having to cover the costs of repairing the property or face a fine from the city, I'd be fucking happy to see some of these cock sucking low-life scum fucks get mauled by a police dog to "teach them a lesson".

Most of us got beat and were taught (eaiser) lessons when we were young. Life only gets harder and the lessons only get tougher.

Fuck this guy and his scum bag attitude for breaking ppl's shit when he "missed a bus".

Berzerker · 01-27-2012, 10:55 AM

Some friends and I were playing ball tag at night in the Hotel that got built where the old Coach House is in North Van (can't remember the name of the hotel now). It was still being built there were no windows or anything it was just a shell with some walls. We had about 20 tennis balls and there 6 of us from the neighborhood playing. The cops showed up (it was a construction zone and fenced off so we were tresspassing) so all but one of us just walked out. The cops were playing badass and though we were vandalizing and didn't even give us a chance to explain they handcuffed us all and made us sit on the sidewalk. One of my friends was scared of getting caught so he hid inside. They sent the police dog in after him and the dog literally dragged him out by the leg. His leg looked way worse than that picture. After we explained what we were doing and actually showed them the tennis balls in our pockets they said "You shouldn't be in here" The ambulance had to come get my friend, no charges were ever laid, and he's scarred for life. No retribution was brought on the officers or the dog. How is that fair and just? Sounds like the same sort of scenario only WE weren't doing anything that warranted that kind of response and I don't think the skateboarder was either.

Berz out.

Manic! · 01-27-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil@rise

as a trained K9 cop he should have been aware of the potential outcome of his actions and called in another officer or stashed his dog in the K9 car then proceeded to apprehend the guy sans dog.

The skater should have been aware of the potential outcome of his actions.

He caused 100's of dollars of damaged and inconvenienced a bunch of people. What if there was someone on the other side of the window?

Gumby · 01-27-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Berzerker

Some friends and I were playing ball tag at night in the Hotel that got built where the old Coach House is in North Van (can't remember the name of the hotel now). It was still being built there were no windows or anything it was just a shell with some walls. We had about 20 tennis balls and there 6 of us from the neighborhood playing. The cops showed up (it was a construction zone and fenced off so we were tresspassing) so all but one of us just walked out. The cops were playing badass and though we were vandalizing and didn't even give us a chance to explain they handcuffed us all and made us sit on the sidewalk. One of my friends was scared of getting caught so he hid inside. They sent the police dog in after him and the dog literally dragged him out by the leg. His leg looked way worse than that picture. After we explained what we were doing and actually showed them the tennis balls in our pockets they said "You shouldn't be in here" The ambulance had to come get my friend, no charges were ever laid, and he's scarred for life. No retribution was brought on the officers or the dog. How is that fair and just? Sounds like the same sort of scenario only WE weren't doing anything that warranted that kind of response and I don't think the skateboarder was either.

Berz out.

Sorry if I sound like a dick, but your friend was scared of getting caught so he hid inside? Not a very wise choice, was it?

You didn't mention it, but I doubt the cops sent the dog in without warning your friend first.

SiRV · 01-27-2012, 11:17 AM

Guy deserved it. I've had a window broken in my house for absolutely no reason once during the middle of winter, just a bunch of retards tossing rocks at homes. They ran away before I could even see anyone that did it. Cost several hundred dollars to fix, Heating during the storm sucked, and scared the shit out of my grandmother who lives with us. I hope this window-breaker is the same fucker who did it to my house.

JD¹³ · 01-27-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by zulutango

So, using a weapon, he smashes a store window worth $$$$???, jumps on his skateboard and flees the scene. He says his headphones block out the Police yells and the dog barks. Police use the dog to apprehend him and he struggles while bitten, worsening the injury to his leg? He is carrying a weapon and resisting arrest. "The dog latched on a few times to his leg. Mr. Evans says I would have thought he would have stopped struggling after the first time he was bitten. Wouldn't you?

I expected a retarded response from you and got it. The guy had no idea he was being pursued and was blindsided by an attack dog. He had no knowledge that the dog was Police, for all he knew it was a rabid animal, but you expect someone to stop struggling and just lay there and take the mauling? What a moronic comment. You can't resist arrest if you don't even know you're being arrested, especially by a damn dog.

Any officer that claims a skateboard is a weapon while a guy is riding it, and then being knocked off it by his dog because he was too slow to catch the guy himself is a coward. Releasing an attack dog on someone who hasn't committed a serious or violent crime is negligent on the part of the officer, period. The dog is lucky it wasn't hurt or killed by someone who knows how to defend themselves against one, not hard to break a dog's neck.

G-spec · 01-27-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JD¹³

I expected a retarded response from you and got it. The guy had no idea he was being pursued and was blindsided by an attack dog. He had no knowledge that the dog was Police, for all he knew it was a rabid animal, but you expect someone to stop struggling and just lay there and take the mauling? What a moronic comment. You can't resist arrest if you don't even know you're being arrested, especially by a damn dog.

Any officer that claims a skateboard is a weapon while a guy is riding it, and then being knocked off it by his dog because he was too slow to catch the guy himself is a coward. Releasing an attack dog on someone who hasn't committed a serious or violent crime is negligent on the part of the officer, period. The dog is lucky it wasn't hurt or killed by someone who knows how to defend themselves against one, not hard to break a dog's neck.

co-sign all of the above except the last part, lol, maybe a normal dog but them police dogs are brutally strong because of the way they're trained to bite and just rip and tug at whatever they're biting. Their neck muscles are typically more developed because of this...

I had a German Sheppard back in my country when I was a kid, loved that damn dog... and one day a corrupt cop came by the house and dog kept barking at him, so he came back later that night and shot it in the head killing it....

dangonay · 01-27-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xilley

seems a little too much for a window

Breaking a window seems a little too much for missing a bus.

Funny how people are ragging on the police for being excessive and using a K-9.

Yet awhile ago a teen threw a rock at a car and was shot with a crossbow. And people were saying he got what he deserved for messing with the guys car.
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Death2Theft · 01-27-2012, 12:17 PM

Dont know too many dogs that will keep on mauling when it's got a couple of fingers or a fist in it's butt.

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Originally Posted by JD¹³

I expected a retarded response from you and got it. The guy had no idea he was being pursued and was blindsided by an attack dog. He had no knowledge that the dog was Police, for all he knew it was a rabid animal, but you expect someone to stop struggling and just lay there and take the mauling? What a moronic comment. You can't resist arrest if you don't even know you're being arrested, especially by a damn dog.

Any officer that claims a skateboard is a weapon while a guy is riding it, and then being knocked off it by his dog because he was too slow to catch the guy himself is a coward. Releasing an attack dog on someone who hasn't committed a serious or violent crime is negligent on the part of the officer, period. The dog is lucky it wasn't hurt or killed by someone who knows how to defend themselves against one, not hard to break a dog's neck.

threezero · 01-27-2012, 12:21 PM

Our police system really has an issue with accountability. Do some reason and you will see how moronic it is for police to investigates themselves when complains are raise. There is no authoritative non-bias third party to keep the police in check.

what we need is something like ICAC

Mr.C · 01-27-2012, 12:43 PM

No offense, but I have been passed on by three buses in a row, and never had a thought to break a window. He's got anger issues, and unfortunately got mauled. He could have manned up and not fled the scene too. Or maybe not have had blaring music on his headphones. That way, when the officer shouted for him to stop, he would have. I can't believe people are crying that the police used unreasonable force, lol.