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Old 03-25-2012, 04:38 AM   #151
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Say goodbye to democracy in Hk.

Plus the whole election was just a puppet show, he was chosen a year ago by the Chinese gov
really, cuz henry tang was chosen 9 years ago cuz chairman jiang & henry tang father were close friends

henry tang was gonna win its just that he screwed up REALLY REALLY badly, plus CY was really smart getting close to public people of HK hoping that would help him by forcing his way it using the pubic peoples power

also how is CY that bad, cuz i know he looks evil (like a cartoon vulture) but he for the public & since most of the real estate big corp did not support him, they went all to humilate CY which is not a gentlemens way at all

so most likely CY will take care of housing problem right now just to get to give these guys a taste of whats up
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it was the majority of hk who wanted CY Leung I think that shows that there is a somewhat democracy.


I like you man, but that made my heart skip a beat when I read that

I hope you don't seriously think like that
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I like you man, but that made my heart skip a beat when I read that

I hope you don't seriously think like that
Was CY Leung not leading the polls before the election?
Also in the Popvote he had the most non blank votes:

Total votes:222,990

Leung:39,614 (17.8%)
Ho:25,452 (11.4%)
Tang:36,226 (16.3%)
Blank votes:121,580 (54.6%)

Maybe the word majority was wrong, I just meant I think people did NOT want Henry Tang in, and the only alternative was CY.
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Can someone chim in about the whole Tang vs Leung as CE

The pro's and con's. Skip the scandel part. I just want to know which guy would have been better.

I heard so many different opinions from both sides. I just want to hear from someone that is from HK and how it affects them.
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Well for me, I am not originally from HK. I just came here 3 years ago so I am not sure how the "local" people think or those who have been here for a while.

To me, the way I see it is that whether CY, Henry or Albert, they are all pretty much the same. Most of the hongers just like to complain about everything. Mainland mothers, $6000, universal suffrage, D&G, just about anything. No matter what happens, people will be complaining.

I think both their platforms were somewhat similar. More social housing, more this more that, less pollution etc. I didn't really pay attention much to be honest. I just know from what I heard, that if CY Leung gets elected, property prices should drop to a more stable level (he was responsible for the social housing that led to the crash in 98). For myself looking to purchase a flat in HK, I was hoping he gets elected and I hope prices drop so they can be more affordable. On the other hand, I am sure those who have property don't want this to ever happen, so like I said, can never please all the hongers.
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The first thing CY will do now is to get article 23 passed.

Once thats passed, it wouldn't take long before you'll see youtube and facebook banned in HK!

and a public election? that will never happen
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The first thing CY will do now is to get article 23 passed.

Once thats passed, it wouldn't take long before you'll see youtube and facebook banned in HK!

and a public election? that will never happen
Come on man, do you think the locals will really allow that to happen? Last time they tried, there was mass protest and Regina Ip had to resign. The people in HK are more powerful than you think.

If they can get the first CE to step down, I am sure now with the post 80's they can get any law stopped if needed. China won't allow for it as well. As much as they dislike democracy, they promised that in 2017 it will happen. Especially with the disruptions and the change of power within Mainland, they don't want HK to become chaotic. Isn't that why they backed CY Leung instead of Henry Tang? At first everyone knew Beijing wanted Henry in power, but after public uproar, they decided to back CY to please the public. China can't allow for HK to be divided.
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Was CY Leung not leading the polls before the election?
Also in the Popvote he had the most non blank votes:

Total votes:222,990

Leung:39,614 (17.8%)
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Tang:36,226 (16.3%)
Blank votes:121,580 (54.6%)

Maybe the word majority was wrong, I just meant I think people did NOT want Henry Tang in, and the only alternative was CY.
I think the majority want to be able to nominate and vote for their own people. Why do you think the winner of the popvote poll was "WE DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE COMMIE CUNTS RUNNING OUR COUNTRY"

This is more than just people complaining.. they have every right to be upset when their 'leader' is chosen by 0.14% of the population! And it is so blatantly fixed, when the top 2 choices are two complete scumbags.

Complaining about not being able to take pictures of D&G is one thing, but complaining about universal suffrage is quite another.

I do agree that article 23 won't be passed as easily as hyde seems to think. That is a worst case scenario, and the protests will be bigger and bigger each time it is brought up. It will get VERY messy if it comes close to passing through.
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Do you think the locals have any power over the communist? Especially CY is already known as a underground communist member and also a member of Sun Yee On.

Henry Tang was never a candidate, he was only a tool to compete with CY so that it doesn't look like a one horse run.

and remember, this is china, they can promise you anything but never happens. Democracy is finished in hk. so is the 1 country 2 system.
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I think the majority want to be able to nominate and vote for their own people. Why do you think the winner of the popvote poll was "WE DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE COMMIE CUNTS RUNNING OUR COUNTRY"

This is more than just people complaining.. they have every right to be upset when their 'leader' is chosen by 0.14% of the population! And it is so blatantly fixed, when the top 2 choices are two complete scumbags.

Complaining about not being able to take pictures of D&G is one thing, but complaining about universal suffrage is quite another.

I do agree that article 23 won't be passed as easily as hyde seems to think. That is a worst case scenario, and the protests will be bigger and bigger each time it is brought up. It will get VERY messy if it comes close to passing through.
True, people want to be able to vote for themselves but the matter of the fact is, they can't. So taking that out of the equation, CY Leung was the most "popular" non blank vote. Even if people COULD vote, who would they vote for?

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Do you think the locals have any power over the communist? Especially CY is already known as a underground communist member and also a member of Sun Yee On.

Henry Tang was never a candidate, he was only a tool to compete with CY so that it doesn't look like a one horse run.

and remember, this is china, they can promise you anything but never happens. Democracy is finished in hk. so is the 1 country 2 system.
I think you are abusing the word "communist" too much. First, let's say he IS an underground CPC member, so what? What does that mean? You really think that after 15 years, then all of a sudden CY will turn HK into mainland China? In 1997, Beijing appointed Tung Chee Hwa as the first CE of HK. There was no 1200 party election, nothing, just him being placed by the Communist Part of China. You really think that if China wanted to turn HK more into a mainland city, they wouldn't of done it before? Why now? Why CY?

China won't let it happen. The second anything remotely close happens, there will be mass protest and riots in HK. China can't allow that to happen as it will create anarchy, especially now during a crucial time of power change.
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True, people want to be able to vote for themselves but the matter of the fact is, they can't. So taking that out of the equation, CY Leung was the most "popular" non blank vote.
That is a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way from saying what you said before: "it was the majority of hk who wanted CY Leung I think that shows that there is a somewhat democracy."

Also, he only beat the other guy by 1.5%. But none of that really matters when the BLANK VOTE wins the vast majority.

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Guess we'll never know until universal suffrage happens (if it does)
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Once you make more than ~$42,000 CAD /year (or $27,000 HKD / month), it starts becoming more and more attractive to work in Hong Kong vs. Canada.
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so henry tangs father being BEST BUDDIES with chairman jiang makes him a tool to compete this years CE race eh!
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Especially with the disruptions and the change of power within Mainland, they don't want HK to become chaotic. Isn't that why they backed CY Leung instead of Henry Tang? At first everyone knew Beijing wanted Henry in power, but after public uproar, they decided to back CY to please the public. China can't allow for HK to be divided.
I'm not very educated on the topic, but with the rise of cities like Shanghai and Beijing becoming global cities, i would have thought the importance of HK to China has diminished rapidly... it no longer holds special place and value. Shanghai is as much as a commerce centre as HK is nowadays, no?
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I'm not very educated on the topic, but with the rise of cities like Shanghai and Beijing becoming global cities, i would have thought the importance of HK to China has diminished rapidly... it no longer holds special place and value. Shanghai is as much as a commerce centre as HK is nowadays, no?
China has targeted Shanghai to be an international finance city by 2020 and with that, the significance of HK will diminish. HK has been losing their competitive advantage and Singapore is always creeping around the corner.

Hong Kong DOES have the advantage over Shanghai and will always have it with the current currency control China places over the RMB. Without being able to float the Yuan, Shanghai can never become more dominant to HK. Not only this, the laws in China are not as transparent as in HK. HK was recently named the Best Place for Business (Hong Kong Beats Netherlands and U.S. as Best Place for Business - Bloomberg) and it's very easy for anyone to open up a business in HK unlike in China as the controls are tight.

Anyways, Hong Kong was once the gateway to China, but now HK has become to gateway to the west for China. With it's great financial and business stability, HK is important. The only question is, if China will allow Shanghai to be more "free" at the cost of China changing it's economic policies.

China needs a peaceful transition, and it starts in HK.
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I see more and more of my friends going back to HK for better opportunities in the finance and engineering field as they can't find any jobs in Van. It was actually really easy for them to find a decent entry level job 10k+ with a lot of future potential. Keep in mind protests happen every where and as long as most people are fine with how things are run, protests won't get anywhere besides some minor temporary changes. HK seems fine to me from all my friends that have since moved back. Good opportunities, livable pay, and easy access to China.

I don't think universal suffrage is ever going to happen in HK. And I also doubt that people care anymore as they already know China would not allow that to happen, the protests I see don't even compare to some rallies in the states.

I was thinking about going to HK to work in a couple years, but then I don't have family there I could stay with to avoid the high cost of rent. I would much rather live in HK than China.

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I don't think universal suffrage is ever going to happen in HK. And I also doubt that people care anymore as they already know China would not allow that to happen, the protests I see don't even compare to some rallies in the states.
Are you saying that from experience, or are you basing it on what you see on the news, and from your friends?
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From my experience, those who have good jobs don't really give a shit about universal suffrage. They just want to make their money and buy their stuff like which has always been the normal for HK.

Maybe it's my circle of friends, who cannot represent all of HK obviously. I am sure people do care, especially the post 80s. I do think a lot of people are just followers and want to complain (as its a HK thing to do). People just have the idea that democracy is great.

As Karl Marx once said "Democracy is the first step to socialism".
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^ local people, yes, they care a lot, it's in their mindset not being the communist slave. For those who have the options or passport to live else where like us, probably no.
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Will look forward to see CY's policy on housing and whether he can attract talents to be the CS, FS, and the secretary for the Commerce and Economic Development Bureau... Not sure if CY will be able to keep Norman Chan of Monetary Authority, who was the prodigy of Joseph Yam.

We all remember what happened back then when he was in the ExCo during Tung's reign.

Anyway, it will be a land of opportunity if sht hits the fan provided that you don't lose your jobs.
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Are you saying that from experience, or are you basing it on what you see on the news, and from your friends?
Def not from the news, from my friends, their friends, and my parent's HK friends. They seem to be happy the way it is. As RFlush mentioned, most people just care about money and lifestyle, which wasn't at all affected after 97'. I also base my logic on the frequency and amount of actual protests in HK, which you mentioned in the previous post.

I'm sure if China took away youtube and facebook, there would be more outrage and protests than universal suffrage
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I live in Tai Po and lucky enough to live in a house, but it takes a lot of time to travel to the city and parking fees is a bitch here so I rather transit. I worked in Admiralty for a brokerage firm. There's definitely pros and cons to living here vs Van, but it's like that everywhere.

It's funny because I find myself meeting up with friends more in Hong Kong then I do in Vancouver, even if it takes me longer to get to them.
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