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Old 03-25-2012, 11:02 PM   #26
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I don't fully understand why people decide to have a sex change so I'm not going to pass judgement; would someone care to explain to me? I understand and accept homosexuality because I believe that that is simply the sexual orientation that some individuals are born with...But don't you become transgendered by choice? What's the reasoning to have such procedures?
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I don't fully understand why people decide to have a sex change so I'm not going to pass judgement; would someone care to explain to me? I understand and accept homosexuality because I believe that that is simply the sexual orientation that some individuals are born with...But don't you become transgendered by choice? What's the reasoning to have such procedures?
A man can be born as a woman, but have male genitals. The word transgender is self explanatory. A woman trap inside a man's body, and when he/she realizes, they go under surgery to fix them self up.

And by the way, this girl is local so keep the negative down.
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Why do we always hear the stories of girls in a man's body but not the other way around?
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Why do we always hear the stories of girls in a man's body but not the other way around?
There are such cases where a person is a man trapped in a girl's body, and yes there are procedures to grow a penis from a vagina. I dont want to go into details but it's ....... very weird.
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Apparently female to male surgery rate is significantly lower than male to female surgery because our society is more open to accepting new female than male.
this may be because males have more risk-taking behaviors than females. Although a "he" might feel that he is actually a "she" they usually still hold some of male characteristics too.
And also vagina to penis surgery is a lot more complicated and expensive
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I'm pretty sure penis to vag surgery is simply done via inversion.
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I strongly considered it but decided it just wasn't for me at this point in my life.

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A man can be born as a woman, but have male genitals. The word transgender is self explanatory. A woman trap inside a man's body, and when he/she realizes, they go under surgery to fix them self up.

And by the way, this girl is local so keep the negative down.
So the only thing that separates them from a born female is the genitals? Will she/he naturally have higher levels of estrogen despite being born with a penis? I am assuming that's not the case, so I don't understand what you mean by a woman trapped in man's body; I've always thought transgendered people are more often than not homosexual's that are trying to trick people of the same sex that are straight.
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So the only thing that separates them from a born female is the genitals? Will she/he naturally have higher levels of estrogen despite being born with a penis? I am assuming that's not the case, so I don't understand what you mean by a woman trapped in man's body; I've always thought transgendered people are more often than not homosexual's that are trying to trick people of the same sex that are straight.
Well you couldn't be more wrong.

A transgender person simply feels they were born in the body of the incorrect sex, if you cannot personally understand what a person experiencing that feels that's perfectly fine. Stating that you believe they are trying to trick people is extremely ignorant, however.

I have a friend going through a male to female transition.

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A friend of mine is actually in the process of doing the prepwork for changing herself into a guy. She's already had her breasts surgically removed and is taking a bunch of chemical pills for the rest of what needs to be done.

I don't judge; if she feels like she was born with the wrong body and is able to fix it, then all the power to her (him?). I can't say I understand the desire to change one's body, but I'll accept them for it regardless.
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I've always thought transgendered people are more often than not homosexual's that are trying to trick people of the same sex that are straight.
is this what is going on with the upcoming generation, whose main experience with the opposite sex is via porn and comics?
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So the only thing that separates them from a born female is the genitals? Will she/he naturally have higher levels of estrogen despite being born with a penis? I am assuming that's not the case, so I don't understand what you mean by a woman trapped in man's body; I've always thought transgendered people are more often than not homosexual's that are trying to trick people of the same sex that are straight.
that is why she had to go through hormone therapy i guess, but there are a lot of procedures we have yet to learn about and i am not very interested in googling them.

i can sorta put myself in a third person perspective and understand how it would feel to be in a body of the incorrect sex. i am guessing it would be the same feeling when you look in the mirror and realize your nose is too big, or when you realize you're too short or too tall.

they are considered homosexuals if they haven't undergo procedure to change their sexual genitals (that would be male loving male obviously) so that is why i said transgender is the next level to homosexuality, because they've taken the step to change them self to who they want to be.

so once they undergo surgery, they can be considered both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

that last statement was indeed ignorant. i assume you have homophobia and i don't blame you because when people see gays or transexuals they instantly think of them as different people who are trying to force sex with their own sex. they are normal people and will flirt with their own sex just like how men and women do.

normal gay men will never have sex with straight men. just like you would never have sex with a lesbian. unless you rape her. same thing other way around.
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that is why she had to go through hormone therapy i guess, but there are a lot of procedures we have yet to learn about and i am not very interested in googling them.

i can sorta put myself in a third person perspective and understand how it would feel to be in a body of the incorrect sex. i am guessing it would be the same feeling when you look in the mirror and realize your nose is too big, or when you realize you're too short or too tall.

they are considered homosexuals if they haven't undergo procedure to change their sexual genitals (that would be male loving male obviously) so that is why i said transgender is the next level to homosexuality, because they've taken the step to change them self to who they want to be.

so once they undergo surgery, they can be considered both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

that last statement was indeed ignorant. i assume you have homophobia and i don't blame you because when people see gays or transexuals they instantly think of them as different people who are trying to force sex with their own sex. they are normal people and will flirt with their own sex just like how men and women do.

normal gay men will never have sex with straight men. just like you would never have sex with a lesbian. unless you rape her. same thing other way around.

If the lesbian is hot and wants to experiment with me, I am down.

Odds are, the hot lesbian will not want to experiment with me.


Back on topic. It's a beauty contest, so expect to be disqualified simply because prospective contestant may not have all the attributes to win the pageant. It's not a right to be in a beauty pageant. That's the allure and prestige that these pageants bring. Unfortunately for her, there are no beauty pageants for Transgendered individuals that are as prestigious as a countrywide qualifier for Miss Universe

Walter/Jenna mentions in the article about black baseball players and white baseball players playing professional ball together. The Beauty Pageants these days allow females of any race or nationality. How about male professional athletes joining a female-only professional sports league ? There is simply no equality between males and females. If females want to join a mens-only league/organization/event/competition of some sort - great. If males want to join a womens-only league/organization/event/competition, it's not going to happen. This is where females have more options in society. As males, we put up with this and live with it - no complaints.
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Oh shittt. I rmbr one time seeing her/him on the streets and one of my friends yelled out walter! And she/he.. tried to bitch at my friend. But I heard her/his brother paid for the procedures...
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that last statement was indeed ignorant. i assume you have homophobia and i don't blame you because when people see gays or transexuals they instantly think of them as different people who are trying to force sex with their own sex. they are normal people and will flirt with their own sex just like how men and women do.
No, I'm not homophobic at all; it's not something I've had a strong opinion about, but rather just something I thought possible as a reason for having such procedure since, like I said, I simply don't understand why one would feel the need to do so. In fact, I think that statement proved me NOT to be homophobic because I'm stating that I don't see anything wrong with being a homosexual and am questioning why someone would want to try to change their gender to become "straight"...but I guess there is more to it than that...
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I'm gonna say he shouldn't be allowed to do it. He's been modified. Go run for a tranny pageant instead?
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I just don't have enough energy to sit there and put people down. I also don't have enough energy to listen to politicians who turn it into a talking point.

In this case, I look at photos and am told that she wants to be a part of the Miss Universe competition. From photos, it looks like she meets the requirements to me. They don't want their competition turned into vessel for political and societal change. From what I know, the surgeries are more accessible, and cheaper than ever before. Two people on this thread know someone in the process. I know of a third(or maybe we all know the same person). My not random sample seems to indicate that this is not a rare event, but something that happens.
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If it were up to me I wouldn't have any issues with a transgender contestant who has under gone the reassignment surgery participate.

But at the same time, I really don't have much of an issue if Miss Universe organization doesn't want her participating either, they are a private organization and if they have a set of rules that their contestants must be born female, so be it, its their private contest run and owned by Trump/NBC
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All that matter's here is doing whats true to your self and what makes you happy. It's not right the current rules the Miss Universe contest has but this is a new thing on society being so open about it.
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surprisingly mature and progressive for an rs thread. props for that. unless the highschool kids just havent woken up yet
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The dickholes have decided to be subtle with their stupid comments, but for the most part it's been good.
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