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Old 07-09-2012, 04:16 AM   #1701
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I wonder what Luongo will do if he gets into the final table lol. Final table is in November when the hockey season going to interfere

Doubt he will make it though but that will be quite impressive if he does get into the top 10
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Better add Mike Gillis to the list too then, because he seems to think AV is a pretty good coach... Maybe he should listen to all the pros in here instead?
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What else can the coach do? We've already established that he can't play for them... You want him to create a new "system" that will suddenly work for them? When drop pass doesn't work, dump and chase. What else is there?

It's the players that suck, not the coaches. I don't think many people here have an idea of what a coach does...
I think you are underestimating what a coach does; he doesn't just make up the lines, make the players skate lines during practices, then suit up and look pretty behind the bench on gamedays.

Look no further than Ken Hitchcock, that's what a good coach CAN do. He was fired by the Columbus freakin' Bluejackets in 2010, adopted and completely turned around the St. Louis Blues less than 2 years later, winning coach of the year honours while doing so.

Does this mean he can do no wrong and will remain the best coach 3-4 years later? No. If the world's best hockey mind can't get his players to listen and follow the game plan, he is an ineffective coach. If the players fully engage to what coach says but the coach has no hockey mind, he is still an ineffective coach.

That's why I personally don't buy that we need to keep AV on because there is no 'better' coach currently. The major way we as general public can rate a coach is based on past credentials, and sure AV has many current coaches beat in that department. But a 'better' coach will have intangible factors involved. See Dan Bylsma when he took over the Pens in 2009, he came up out of nowhere with limited credentials, then helped turn the Pens around completely and guided them to the Stanley Cup that same year.

MG is the boss man here and he obviously sees somes value in AV. But so did Brian Burke when he re-signed Ron Wilson to his extension and then fired him 3 months later. I sure hope MG isn't modelling his managerial style after Burke (e-sarc on)
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So I just read that the Red Wings are making a hard push at Doan
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I think you are underestimating what a coach does; he doesn't just make up the lines, make the players skate lines during practices, then suit up and look pretty behind the bench on gamedays.

Look no further than Ken Hitchcock, that's what a good coach CAN do. He was fired by the Columbus freakin' Bluejackets in 2010, adopted and completely turned around the St. Louis Blues less than 2 years later, winning coach of the year honours while doing so.

Does this mean he can do no wrong and will remain the best coach 3-4 years later? No. If the world's best hockey mind can't get his players to listen and follow the game plan, he is an ineffective coach. If the players fully engage to what coach says but the coach has no hockey mind, he is still an ineffective coach.

That's why I personally don't buy that we need to keep AV on because there is no 'better' coach currently. The major way we as general public can rate a coach is based on past credentials, and sure AV has many current coaches beat in that department. But a 'better' coach will have intangible factors involved. See Dan Bylsma when he took over the Pens in 2009, he came up out of nowhere with limited credentials, then helped turn the Pens around completely and guided them to the Stanley Cup that same year.

MG is the boss man here and he obviously sees somes value in AV. But so did Brian Burke when he re-signed Ron Wilson to his extension and then fired him 3 months later. I sure hope MG isn't modelling his managerial style after Burke (e-sarc on)
I don't think I am underestimating what a coach does, I just think that AV is not to blame for the Canucks inability to win the Stanley Cup.
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If AV implemented a new game plan and loss in the cup finals. Everyone in Vancouver would just whine about why he tried to change what got them to the finals.

Size won out last year, didn't help that we had a ton of injuries to key guys. Same thing happened this year.
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We were so hurt and the Bruins were 100% healthy so it doesn't matter what the game plan was because no team would be able to compete.

Why the hell are we still talking about it anyways? it's going to be two seasons ago and it's pointless beating a dead horse over and over...
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Bross tells CKWX that Doan has held talks with Lawrence Gillman and the #Canucks and they are on his list of desired destinations.

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All this talk about Doan having Canucks on his list is making me excited, but I won't hold my breath for it to actually happen.
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Lol, watch us sign Doan and put him on the 3rd line so Raymond can get top 6 minutes

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We were so hurt and the Bruins were 100% healthy so it doesn't matter what the game plan was because no team would be able to compete.

Why the hell are we still talking about it anyways? it's going to be two seasons ago and it's pointless beating a dead horse over and over...
For me it's not so much about the cup run. But we saw this past regular season that when the team game slumped (while the goalies were still stealing wins) there wasn't much adjustment done by the team and the coaching staff didn't seem all that concerned about how to address deficiencies. This is the sense I got anyways, who knows how much was actually done behind closed doors, but even if it was, it did not translate to the on-ice product. And explaining this as 'players sucking' is a huge cop out for ineffective coaching.

I'll be the first to admit I thought the players were toning their play down to decrease injuries and save up some energy to peak for the playoffs, but clearly that was not the case. I'd love to see the team less business-like this upcoming season and show some emotion whether they are winning or losing.
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This sucks. I just bought a "Sorry about your arbitration loss" card for Raymond. What a waste of $2. #Canucks
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Wtf, Bruins were not 100% healthy...
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swedish twins + french canadian (sedin sedin burrows)
2 american power forward and a western canadian kid (booth kesler doan)

Now that's a hockey line!
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Power forward to describe kesler and booth right now is kinda generous
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2 american power forward and a western canadian kid (booth kesler doan)

Now that's a hockey line!
Yeah, dude! I bet Raymond is a power forward too, amirite!?!
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Was Kesler even described as a power forward ever?
I never considered him to be one...
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I never considered him to be one...
He's a two-way forward/grinder

A power forward is Iginla, Lucic, Horton, Getzlaf, etc
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