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Old 07-31-2012, 08:09 PM   #276
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You do not see the full action here, the clock was actually at 0:01 for 3 full actions (attacks), the clock then went to 0 due to human error, so they RESET the clock at a full second (0:01) instead of the actual fraction of a second it really was (closer to .025 or .02 seconds) and then the action showed here which takes about .9 seconds is the FOURTH action in the official final "second" that is why there is such an uproar, it was a fucked up call.

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The clock malfunctioned for total of four attacks from the German side (not included in this video). Three of those attacks were won (defended) by the Korean, the last one when the clock finally started was in fact won by the german competitor. The Korean defended her win 3 times before the clock finally started working and was sure that she is in the final before the 4th chance was given to the german.
So far out of all the explanations, yours is the only one to put it that way. Everyone else says the clock just got 'stuck' on the last move, which was under 1 second anyway... where did you get that story?
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wow the phelps gold medal race was crazy, USA just dominated

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Daaaaaamn just watched Ye Shiwen in the 200 and 400. She's behind by like a second with 100m to go in the 400 and just RIPS past the leader as soon as the freestyle starts. She goes from being about .8 seconds down to being over .9 seconds up on 2nd IN LESS THAN 50 METERS.

That is a flat out miracle. Phelps chased down the French in Beijing in that one race and it was already amazing...and he only won by a fraction of a second. This girl beat the WR by a whole second and was almost 3 seconds ahead of 2nd...all built in the final 50m.
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i still think phelps had the 200m butterfly, he just didnt push the wall hard enough for the light to come on

o well, 19 medals so far, still beastly
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wow the phelps gold medal race was crazy, USA just dominated

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Greatest swimmer at least... well maybe until Ye Shiwen hits 20 medals!
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wouldnt say he's the greatest athelete, look at how many different chances to medal there are if you're a swimmer

Id call him greatest athlete if he medals in some other contests like triathlon, rowing? and a winter sport
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So far out of all the explanations, yours is the only one to put it that way. Everyone else says the clock just got 'stuck' on the last move, which was under 1 second anyway... where did you get that story?
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Has there been any official statement by the London Olympics committee / officials (or whatever you call them) regarding the Korean fencer's mishap? I think I read somewhere there would be one Tuesday, but never found / heard of one yet
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Has there been any official statement by the London Olympics committee / officials (or whatever you call them) regarding the Korean fencer's mishap? I think I read somewhere there would be one Tuesday, but never found / heard of one yet
No, but the fencing organizing is offering a 'consolation medal' which she refused.

Fencing's Shin Lam offered 'consolation prize' following display of sportsmanship - Olympic News - Olympics - The Independent

She absolutely got screwed if you look at what happened. It isn't even debatable, it's ridiculous.
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Daaaaaamn just watched Ye Shiwen in the 200 and 400. She's behind by like a second with 100m to go in the 400 and just RIPS past the leader as soon as the freestyle starts. She goes from being about .8 seconds down to being over .9 seconds up on 2nd IN LESS THAN 50 METERS.

That is a flat out miracle. Phelps chased down the French in Beijing in that one race and it was already amazing...and he only won by a fraction of a second. This girl beat the WR by a whole second and was almost 3 seconds ahead of 2nd...all built in the final 50m.
Where did you catch this?
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Hahaha ... don't worry I'm in the same boat as you ... same goes with Judo, like how the hell do they score points ... none of it makes any sense to me ... and wtf is Golden Time or whatever lol ...
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go back one page for the link
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IMO medal standings should go by gold medals won, not total medals. Silver and bronze, you lost, you don't win silver/bronze, you lose gold IMO. It'd be like Superbowl, Stanley Cup losers celebrating not winning or the guy finishing 2nd in the Masters celebrating.

But maybe I'm just too competitive.
I'm torn. Although I think that the rankings being set by gold medals is the correct way, I still think anyone who comes in 2nd or 3rd among the best of the best of the best deserves MAJOR credit. In fact just GOING to the olympics is a huge deal.

Gold is still the most prestigious, but you have to give credit to all our brothers and sisters who are bringing home bronzes and silvers. GO CANADA!

I just finished watching Canada finish 5th in Women's Gymnastics, and even that was amazing to watch.
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MORE Olympic controversy..... hilarious.. "trying to lose to get a better matchup"

Eight Badminton Players Disqualified for Throwing Matches | - 2012 Olympics | Raquet sports

Eight Badminton Players Disqualified for Throwing Matches

LONDON - Eight female badminton doubles players were disqualified from the London 2012 Olympic Games after trying to lose matches to receive a more favourable place in the tournament, Indonesia's team leader said Wednesday.

The Badminton World Federation investigated two teams from South Korea and one each from China and Indonesia. It accused them of "not using one's best efforts to win a match" and "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport" in matches Tuesday night.

Erick Thohir, the head of Indonesia's Olympic team, told The Associated Press that the Indonesian team will appeal. He also accused China of losing on purpose in the past.

"China has been doing this so many times and they never get sanctioned by the BWF," Thohir said. "On the first game yesterday when China did it, the BWF didn't do anything. If the BWF do something on the first game and they say you are disqualified, it is a warning for everyone."

IOC Vice-President Craig Reedie, the former head of the international badminton federation, welcomed the decision.

"Sport is competitive," Reedie told the AP. "If you lose the competitive element, then the whole thing becomes a nonsense.

"You cannot allow a player to abuse the tournament like that, and not take firm action. So good on them."

The eight disqualified players are world doubles champions Wang Xiaoli and Yu Yang of China and their South Korean opponents Jung Kyun-eun and Kim Ha-na, along with South Korea's Ha Jung-eun and Kim Min-jung and Indonesia's Meiliana Jauhari and Greysia Polii.

The players went before a disciplinary hearing Wednesday, a day after spectators at the arena booed their performance after it became clear they were deliberately trying to lose.

International Olympic Committee President Jacques Rogge had been at the venue but had left shortly before the drama unfolded. The IOC said it would allow badminton's ruling body to handle the matter.

Paul Deighton, chief executive officer of the London organizers, said there would be no refunds for the evening's badminton program. Chairman Sebastian Coe called what happened "depressing," adding "who wants to sit through something like that?"

Teams blamed the introduction of a round-robin stage rather than a straight knockout tournament as the main cause of the problem. In the round-robin format, losing one game can lead to an easier matchup in the next round.

The Chinese players were accused of leading the way by deliberately losing a game. This led to other teams behaving in a similar way to try to force an easier quarter-final. At one stage, both teams appeared to be trying to lose.

Wang and Yu and their opponents were booed loudly by the crowd after dumping serves into the net and making simple errors, such as hitting the shuttlecock wide.

The longest rally in their first game was only four strokes. The umpire warned them, and tournament referee Torsten Berg spoke to all four players but it had little effect. At one stage, Berg showed a black card, which usually means disqualification, but the game continued.

Eventually, the Chinese women lost 21-14, 21-11 and both pairs were jeered off the court.

The teams had already qualified for knockout round, but the result ensured that the top-seeded Wang and Yu would have avoided playing their No. 2-seeded Chinese teammates until the final.

The problem was repeated in the next women's doubles between South Korea's Ha and Kim Min-jung and their Indonesian opponents. Both teams were also warned for deliberately losing points in a match the South Koreans won 18-21, 21-14, 21-12.

China's Lin Dan, the No. 2-ranked men's singles player, said through an interpreter the sport is going to be damaged.

"Especially for the audience," he said before the disqualifications were announced. "This is definitely not within the Olympic spirit. But like I said before, it's not one-sided. Whoever sets the rule should make it knockout so whoever doesn't try will just leave the Olympics."

Beijing badminton silver medallist Gail Emms said the matches were embarrassing to watch.

"It was absolutely shocking," she said. "The crowds were booing and chanting 'Off, off, off.'"
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Not only should they be disqualified, they shoud be banned from participating in future olympics. It's an insult to their sport.
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You can't blame the players for trying to get the best chance of winning the tournament. The problem is the format. They done nothing wrong, they didn't break any rules or anything. If you want to disqualify them, then there should be a rule that says you are not allowed to throw matches.
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Korea faced its third highly controversial ruling in the 2012 London Olympics on Monday, just four days after the global sporting event opened. It started with Park Tae-hwan's dubious disqualification in preliminary heats in the men's 400-m freestyle on Friday. The decision was subsequently overturned on appeal from the Korean delegation but still meant an anxious wait for the swimmer. Park ended up winning silver, unable to defend his Olympic title.

Then in the men's 66 kg judo on Saturday the referee and judges on the mat declared Cho Jun-ho the winner in the quarterfinals but were soon summoned by Juan Carlos Barcos, the chief director of referees, and Cho was pushed down to repechage on reviewing the video.

And on Monday, fencer Shin A-lam failed to advance to the final in the women's individual epee semifinal due to a timekeeping glitch.

The International Fencing Federation (FIE) admitted that it was unable to handle the timekeeping correctly in the women's epee semifinal between Shin and Germany's Britta Heidemann, and that cost Shin an Olympic medal.

A senior official in the Korean delegation said, "The FIE admitted the mechanical limitations of the clock and the poor job done by the timekeeper."

The FIE on Tuesday decided to give a "special award" to Shin after negotiating with the Korean Olympic Committee. KOC chairman Park Yong-sung told reporters in London that the FIE suggested awarding Shin for her sportsmanship and the KOC accepted it.

Park also met with FIE president Alisher Usmanov and solicited an official apology from the fencing body.

Shin had been given priority in a random draw prior to the game, so if the match would end in a draw after extra time, Shin would be the one advancing to the final. When the game was tied at 5 with just one second remaining, it seemed that Shin was likely to advance to the final over defending Olympic champion Heidemann.

But then things took a strange turn and the clock seemed to have stopped, so that three plays ensued in a span of just one second. Even when Heidemann's final attack was sustained and the game was over, the clock still indicated that there was one second remaining.

Shin refused to accept the decision, and when the Korean team appealed, Shin had to remain on the piste in tears, as leaving would mean she had accepted it. After about an hour's deliberation, the decision was upheld. Shin, who had to play for bronze medal just a few minutes after she was escorted off the piste by FIE officials, was not in form, and lost to China's Sun Yujie 11-15.

The Korean team believes the situation resulted from poor management by the referee and timekeeper. Kim Chang-gon, an FIE referee, said, "I checked after the game that it was a 15-year-old British volunteer girl who was doing the timekeeping." In fencing, the timekeeper stops and starts the clock when the referee makes the "allez (go)" and "halt (stop)" sign. When there is a hit, the clock is stopped automatically by an electronic device.

An experienced timekeeper would press the button at the same time as referee's hand sign, but inexperienced timekeepers sometimes press the button too early or too late.

Austrian referee Barbara Csar turned the clock back to one second when it lapsed to zero after the end of the second out of three plays that took place with one second remaining. It remains unclear why.

Kim said, "It's possible that the referee did it because she thought the timekeeper had pressed the button before she started the second play."

The Korean delegation protested, and when that was not accepted, they submitted an official written appeal. But after an hour of deliberation, the FIE gave the same response, saying that there is nothing it could do because the rules dictates that the referee decides the time by looking at the clock on the screen.

News agency AFP chose this controversial call as one of the five most controversial referring calls in the recent history of the Olympics. Had the decision been made correctly, according to AFP, Shin would have gone to the final fighting for gold. ESPN described her as the crowd's champion. There was a standing ovation from the crowd when Shin left the arena with her dream of an Olympic medal in tatters.





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You can't blame the players for trying to get the best chance of winning the tournament. The problem is the format. They done nothing wrong, they didn't break any rules or anything. If you want to disqualify them, then there should be a rule that says you are not allowed to throw matches.
I believe there is a rule or some variation of it.
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was watching womans judo today.. honestly the chinese competitor didnt even look female. everyone in the bar thought it was doping or transgendered at very least. especially in the match where "she" was losing 2-0 with 30sec left then went beast mode and tied it.
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