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09-08-2012, 12:27 AM
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I think most of you mockers assume that I agree with those nut job creationists that think the Earth is 6,000 years old, do not accept dinosaurs existed, etc...
I believe there is a creator and everything is a result of His design; including the mechanism of evolution. I don't see why it has to be one or the other since having a designer is not mutually exclusive with the existence of evolution.
I also believe science and faith coexist perfectly fine. Science explains the how; not the why. Faith gives me the explanation of why; not how. Actually, they complement each other. I appreciate the love of the creator through the complexity of the world discovered through science.
Hopefully, that clarifies my standpoint.
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09-08-2012, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Pally777  I think most of you mockers assume that I agree with those nut job creationists that think the Earth is 6,000 years old, do not accept dinosaurs existed, etc...
I believe there is a creator and everything is a result of His design; including the mechanism of evolution. I don't see why it has to be one or the other since having a designer is not mutually exclusive with the existence of evolution.
I also believe science and faith coexist perfectly fine. Science explains the how; not the why. Faith gives me the explanation of why; not how. Actually, they complement each other. I appreciate the love of the creator through the complexity of the world discovered through science.
Hopefully, that clarifies my standpoint. | Serious question. Why do you think creationists who think the earth is 6k years old and don't accept dinosaurs are 'nutjobs'?
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09-08-2012, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo Serious question. Why do you think creationists who think the earth is 6k years old and don't accept dinosaurs are 'nutjobs'? | As most of you have stated. There is physical evidence that suggests the dinosaurs existed and that the Earth is more than 6,000 years old. Based on what has been said in this thread, it seems some of these creationist just ignore this evidence as invalid. Thus, I consider those who ignore evidence as nutjobs.
Physical evidence should not contradict the existence of a designer. That's my belief. What we discover about the world reveals that there needs to be a design. I know some choose to believe in randomness bringing about these designs, but I think that's absurd. Those people choose to believe throwing Legos into a black box and shaking it enough times will result in a nicely built Lego car that has perfectly functioning engine, brakes, etc... Of course, that's possible, but I choose the simpler explanation of a designer. Occam's razor - simplest explanation tends to be the right one.
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09-08-2012, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Pally777 As most of you have stated. There is physical evidence that suggests the dinosaurs existed and that the Earth is more than 6,000 years old. Based on what has been said in this thread, it seems some of these creationist just ignore this evidence as invalid. Thus, I consider those who ignore evidence as nutjobs.
Physical evidence should not contradict the existence of a designer. That's my belief. What we discover about the world reveals that there needs to be a design. I know some choose to believe in randomness bringing about these designs, but I think that's absurd. Those people choose to believe throwing Legos into a black box and shaking it enough times will result in a nicely built Lego car that has perfectly functioning engine, brakes, etc... Of course, that's possible, but I choose the simpler explanation of a designer. Occam's razor - simplest explanation tends to be the right one. | Funny how you mention Occam's Razor.
"The Universe exists and God Created it. " -> The Universe just exists.
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09-08-2012, 01:58 AM
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so if you believe there was a designer, or a higher being or entity or form of power (whatever form it/they may be).
why are other religions wrong? doesn't it seem like all religion stems from the same thing?
while believing in a higher power isnt absurd, i don't know if you can say Christianity is right. look how many other religions are out there. you're saying they're ALL wrong?
yeah, it's crazy how everything just works out and the way the universe functions and all that.
but what if this higher power you're talking about isnt a "conscious" being.
it just is. the energy driving the cosmos, all of existence.
that could very well be "god". aka everything is god. math, chemistry, is the language of "god" or the universe. think about it. if you had the power to manipulate atoms and molecules, you would be god. wouldn't you? you could create, and destroy. the language of math and chemistry is universal as far as i know.
and as for your lego in the box theory. yeah... shaking a box and hoping a cool lego set is built is HIGHLY unlikely, but it's still possible (mind you the universe is much more complex than lego).
but the more and more we find out about our universe, the more we find out that could possibly be true. since there are almost infinite amounts of boxes shaking with lego inside...
that being said, there are a shit ton of boxes that fail. im not just talking about planets with no life. or solar systems without life.
im talking about galaxies with no life.
galaxy clusters with no life.
super clusters without life.
now with multiverse theories, there are many "universes" out there... im willing to be there are universes where there is no life.
and of course vice versa. there will be life in all of the above said (although statistically it will be a minuscule percentage).
so why pick christianity?
if you were born in another culture, wouldn't you just be as easily persuaded to believe what that culture believes in?
if you take a macro view, and visit other life on other planets, there must be alien cultures with religion as well.
now you take ALL of life and compare every religion that has ever and will exist in the cosmos.
im sure you can find similarities. who's right? why is it Christianity?
or are you not sure and you just pick Christianity because it's closest to home and one that everyone around you agrees on?
what is it about christianity that makes it true? a lot of other religions state the same things.
do you believe the fundamental basis of christnanity (creator or higher power) which is the same as other religions.
or do you believe in the micro details... such as heaven and hell, angels and all those "folklore" type stories.
there's a big difference in my opinion. believing in the fundamentals of religion is much different than attending church and singing songs and all that.
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09-08-2012, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pally777 Those people choose to believe throwing Legos into a black box and shaking it enough times will result in a nicely built Lego car that has perfectly functioning engine, brakes, etc... |  | |
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09-08-2012, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo Funny how you mention Occam's Razor.
"The Universe exists and God Created it. " -> The Universe just exists. | To say something just exists without any precursor takes a lot more faith than believing there is a creator. Evidence from science points to everything having a causality. Things don't just happen by themselves without some input. When you find a perpetual motion machine please tell me. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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09-08-2012, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Pally777 To say something just exists without any precursor takes a lot more faith than believing there is a creator. Evidence from science points to everything having a causality. Things don't just happen by themselves without some input. When you find a perpetual motion machine please tell me.
Posted via RS Mobile | So what/who created the creator?
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09-08-2012, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo So what/who created the creator? | Exactly.
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09-08-2012, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pally777 So we assume we know what truth is?
Science is based on putting faith in your 5 senses. Religion is based on putting faith in God. I don't see how you can say either is truth since both requires faith.
It is just easier to put your faith only on your 5 senses since you use it everyday and it's familiar. That doesn't make it truth. I don't think anyone can claim they know the truth. | Regarding the truth, it's all about assessing likelihood isn't it. Which discipline is more likely to give us the truth? Which has been more helpful in extending our life expectancy, lowering infant mortality? Praying or modern medicine? Just because we don't know what happened before the big bang, do we give astrologists the same respect as astronomers?
Science is based on evidence, religion is based on indoctrination. Depending on where you were born, you become a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist, etc.
Of course, one can debate all day if we just had a dream of being a butterfly or if we really are butterflies having a dream of being a human. Or, how many angels can sit on the head of a pin. At least we are fortunate we don't live in the days where they burn witches anymore.
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09-08-2012, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by observer
Science is based on evidence, religion is based on indoctrination. Depending on where you were born, you become a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist, etc.
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09-08-2012, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Pally777 As most of you have stated. There is physical evidence that suggests the dinosaurs existed and that the Earth is more than 6,000 years old. Based on what has been said in this thread, it seems some of these creationist just ignore this evidence as invalid. Thus, I consider those who ignore evidence as nutjobs.
Physical evidence should not contradict the existence of a designer. That's my belief. What we discover about the world reveals that there needs to be a design. I know some choose to believe in randomness bringing about these designs, but I think that's absurd. Those people choose to believe throwing Legos into a black box and shaking it enough times will result in a nicely built Lego car that has perfectly functioning engine, brakes, etc... Of course, that's possible, but I choose the simpler explanation of a designer. Occam's razor - simplest explanation tends to be the right one. | Serious question, are you Agnostic or Christian?
If I'm following correctly; you do not believe dinosaur bones were planted on Earth by the Devil to trick people, and you do not believe the Earth is six thousand years old, so, I assume, you also do not believe the Earth and all its life was created in seven days?
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09-08-2012, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo So what/who created the creator? | My understanding is that by definition the creator is the source of all things. There is nothing before the creator.
My response was just to your statement that the universe just is. I'm saying the creator is just is.
Difference is the universe-just-is theory requires no intelligence; just randomness vs a creator theory which does require intelligence. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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09-08-2012, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pally777 My understanding is that by definition the creator is the source of all things. There is nothing before the creator.
Posted via RS Mobile | So you mean energy?
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09-08-2012, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pally777 My understanding is that by definition the creator is the source of all things. There is nothing before the creator.
My response was just to your statement that the universe just is. I'm saying the creator is just is.
Difference is the universe-just-is theory requires no intelligence; just randomness vs a creator theory which does require intelligence.
Posted via RS Mobile | You just demonstrated a contradiction where you said you follow Occam's Razor.
Clearly you don't.
So what is your evidence for a creator? Clear, demonstrable evidence ? Posted via RS Mobile | |
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09-08-2012, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp | Maybe this guy is a clever troll. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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09-08-2012, 04:40 PM
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why doesnt he ever reply my posts haha...
im not trying to lure him into any trap, but he just avoids everything i legitimately ask.
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09-08-2012, 05:03 PM
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Because either
A) tl;dr or
B) no answer
On a side note, this troll article turned into religion talk 
I used to believe in religion, then I grew up. For me, it was all about having something to look up to. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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09-08-2012, 07:03 PM
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Me too, but I stopped at Santa Claus. | |
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09-08-2012, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Phozy I used to believe in religion, then I grew up. For me, it was all about having something to look up to.
Posted via RS Mobile | Yeah same here. Religion is nice when you feel like you have no control over what happens to you or need an explanation for something you don't understand. Both of which tends to happen to young kids or uneducated people.
Other than that I guess it brings people together? Which is both a good and bad thing actually..
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09-08-2012, 10:46 PM
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lol, aznightmare has failed over 10 posts in this thread supporting science over creationism, but he's yet to say a single word....
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09-08-2012, 10:47 PM
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It's hard to defend your shit when there's no evidence.
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09-08-2012, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bballguy lol, aznightmare has failed over 10 posts in this thread supporting science over creationism, but he's yet to say a single word.... | Hmm that sounds familiar lol
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09-08-2012, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pally777 My understanding is that by definition the creator is the source of all things. There is nothing before the creator.
My response was just to your statement that the universe just is. I'm saying the creator is just is.
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Originally Posted by Pally777 To say something just exists without any precursor takes a lot more faith than believing there is a creator. Evidence from science points to everything having a causality. Things don't just happen by themselves without some input.
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Universe just existing - implausible
Some deity somehow magically involved in the universe's creation, but himself can just exist - plausible. | |
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