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Old 08-02-2022, 05:44 PM   #2701
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The shocking thing I find with this too is that they structured Watson's contract precisely so he wouldn't lose any money... I was reading that his actual salary for this season is only a bit over a million, so if he gets suspended for 6 games he only loses like $400k or something??? Keeps his $45M signing bonus and his salary goes up ^^^^^ like crazy in all the years after.

Absolutely ludicrous ducking of morality by the Browns organization. Basically saying they don't care what he did, they just want him as their QB.
Because no good QB is going to want to play there, and they have shown in the last 20+ years that tehy are incapable of drafing one. Ironically they FINALLY got it right once, but then they ditched him for a serial sex offender.

Even massively overpaying isn't enough to entice someone to come to the browns. They also have to bend over and give up absolutely everything to him.
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Dolphins busted for tampering with Tom Brady and Sean Payton, lose two draft picks

"violations of unprecedented scope and severity"

However the investigation also cleared them of losing on purpose, although the owner wanted them to. Owner tried to pay the coach $100K to lose, but conclude that it wasn't a serious offer for some reason.

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Old 08-03-2022, 03:58 PM   #2703
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There it is:


And once again, the reason they do it this way:

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Good! So now Goodell or someone that he chooses will make final decision ... so that independent disciplinary Sue L. Robinson’s recommendation was just a little tangent, itt means nothing.
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Good! So now Goodell or someone that he chooses will make final decision ... so that independent disciplinary Sue L. Robinson’s recommendation was just a little tangent, itt means nothing.
By not disputing her report, they have essentially set in stone what the argument will be for the final suspension chosen by the commissioner. The whole task here was to report the "binding findings of fact". Everything set out in this document is binding, and have not been appealed. They agree that he violated 3 policies in the most egregious ways anyone has ever done so. They agree that he forced these women to do these heinous things, and that he shouldn't be allowed to get massages from anyone other than those provided by the team.

They'll still try to dispute the new suspension, and it will probably go all the way into the season, but this just set what they will be arguing over.

Actually in a way it's kind of a good thing that the recommended suspension was so low, and I wonder if it was done that way on purpose. Considering the backlash, probably not
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Listening to the Around the NFL Podcast (and if you're ever looking for something new to listen to I HIGHLY recommend it)

Some quick notes I think are important:

Most importantly, this wasn't arbitration, and the judge's 6 day suspension isn't binding - it is a recommendation.

As mentioned before, now that there's a recommendation, the NFL can appeal to change it to whatever they want. During this process, they have been recommending a 1 year suspension. So they have 3 days to change it to that.

The judging process, as menioned in the video above, found that Watson was indeed doing all this heinous stuff that he was accused of. Watson's lawyers, in agreeing with this decision, are basically admiting to it as well.

It still has to go through officially, but this 6 day thing isn't final, and I still expect it'll be 1 year once all is said and done. Hopefully they can suspend him again after that as well, and continue to do so until he retires.
You sound nuts, Skinny.

The guy was found not guilty criminally for these accusations, the judge even spoke with the litigants prior to making this decision.

If he's found criminally not guilty, why the fuck should he be suspended in perpetuity? Until retirement? Are you nuts?

That is fucking insane.
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You sound nuts, Skinny.

The guy was found not guilty criminally for these accusations, the judge even spoke with the litigants prior to making this decision.

If he's found criminally not guilty, why the fuck should he be suspended in perpetuity? Until retirement? Are you nuts?

That is fucking insane.
I guess I go insane when I hear of someone sexually assaulting 30 women and getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars right after. Just because you can do something to people that doesn't land you in prison, doesn't mean you should be able to attain fame and fortune. He still did that shit, whether "guilty criminally" or not. He admitted to it all, and he says he doesn't think there's anything wrong with it, so there's no remorse or anything.

Since they can't charge criminally, the next closest thing to justice would be to never be able to play football. And justice for Browns hiring a pervert, having to give up all their picks and pay him $200 million and he never plays for them

We just saw Vince McMahon go down for doing something similar to FOUR women. No criminal charges (yet) but he is OUT of the business, and can't come back. Something nobody thought would ever happen until he was on his death bed. Now imagine THIRTY cases like that.

So maybe that makes me "nuts" or insane. That's fine. If that's the case though, the NFL is insane too, because an indefinite suspension is what they are going for. They can only do it one year at a time. Browns are betting on it only being one year, and being able to successfully appeal the subsequent years.

It's not without precedent either. Ray Rice was never criminally convicted either, yet was banned permanently from the NFL. The judge dismissed the charges and he had to take anger management classes. But he received a permanent suspension under the old CBA, and then they changed the rules to what they are doing now with Watson which is more fair for the accused, and more binding. Rice appealed and won, but nobody will sign him, not even the Browns.. He even sued the Ravens for wrongful termination and got some of his contract money in a settlement.

And that was an assault on ONE woman. Imagine if he did that to 30, and you have Watson.
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Ray Rice is a terrible comparison, he was literally on camera beating the holy hell out of his wife.

There is no video evidence or concrete proof against Watson.

If he wasn't found criminally guilty by a judge, he should not be banned for life, that's absolutely ridiculous and sets a very dangerous precedent IMHO.

I'd air on the side that he's likely a creep -- we've seen far worse in the NFL, heck Big Ben was accused of raping a woman, he was never penalized.

You want to ban Watson for a year? Sure go ahead, his whole career? Fuck outta here
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Nah. 30 women (that have come forward, there's probably more). Criminal charges is a seperate thing. I'm not saying put him in jail, I'm saying he can do whatever, just not NFL. Since he admits it and thinks there's nothing wrong with what he did. He'll probably end up in prison anyway since I doubt he'll be able to stop.

They fucked up with Ben, and that was ONE woman. That's why it would be brutal if they were lenient here.

How many women would he have to assault for a permanent ban to be justified? 60? 300? 5000? Or Just let him do whatever he wants to people because he's good at throwing balls?
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Nah. 30 women (that have come forward, there's probably more). Criminal charges is a seperate thing. I'm not saying put him in jail, I'm saying he can do whatever, just not NFL. Since he admits it and thinks there's nothing wrong with what he did. He'll probably end up in prison anyway since I doubt he'll be able to stop.

They fucked up with Ben, and that was ONE woman. That's why it would be brutal if they were lenient here.

How many women would he have to assault for a permanent ban to be justified? 60? 300? 5000? Or Just let him do whatever he wants to people because he's good at throwing balls?
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No dude. My argument is the guy has massive talent, to make it as a QB in the NFL and be successful, you sit within the top .0001% of people within the world.

The judge found him criminally not guilty -- you think it makes sense to make a guy with that much talent sit out and not be able to earn a living for the rest of his life because he moved his dick around while getting a massage? Do you not know how the world works IRL outside of the internet?

I guess you don't know many RMTs, that shit happens to my friends within the field all the damn time. Is it right? No. Does it mean someone should lose their livelihood for the rest of their career at his relatively young age? Fuck no.
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My quick report from the Ravens/Titoons preseason game:

- NT Travis Jones was throwing offensive linemen around like rag dolls. People are talking about him being the steal of the draft.
- TE Isaiah Likely looks like he has a ton of potential offensively but his blocking needs a LOT of work
- 6'4" WR Shemar Bridges also looked good. Very tall, strong, potential starter
- New punter Jordan Stout looks good - so much hang time on those punts. And just as importantly held the ball well for Tucker
- S Hamilton didnt have a great showing overall, but fuck he is fast

Can't put too much weight into PS1 but some players showed potential that I didn't fully expect.
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Drew Lock looks pretty good
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^ Kenny Pickett looked better ... and got the W.
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Yeah that walkoff drive with the crowd going crazy was pretty great to watch. Would be cool if he keeps it going in the regular season and becomes the next big star! AFCN would be like AFCW
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