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Terrance Nelson is a fool, he was removed from the position as Chief by his own people. Nelson is not a wronged spokesperson for the First Nations people of Canada, and his words are far from being reflective of the views of the community. Please, if you watch the video, keep that in mind.
Nelson is only being given attention because being native, his image makes him a good pawn for the Iranian government.
Iran is the current president of NAM which hosted 120 countries with 50 heads of state a few months ago... but what do you know. Ive debated about Iran with you before... you've just been weaned off CBC crackers and Zionist milk propaganda all your life.
To have read you yourself are first nations just shows the level mind fuck Canadians are manipulated with for you to be against this guy. I dont blame you though, the best of minds from the most elite schools sit around in "think tanks" all day to get people to sing the same tune.
Now that we're finished with name calling, why dont you state some facts on why this guy is a fool.
60-95% unemployed, 95-100% of some womens jail are aboriginal, and 10,000 children taken away huh. why am i not surprised.
aboriginals get money from the govt the day they are born. the govt gives them money for rent, babies, etc. so many dont find the need to work and they got so much time on their hands they abuse drugs and alcohol
ive had a personal run-in with a 20 something yr old aboriginal women who was a downstairs tenant of my familys home. she was a single mother of twin babies (and later a 3rd)
one night, after about a yr of tenancy, i saw ambulance come and haul her fat ass out of the house. turns out the fat bitch was pregnant and didnt even know. i looked inside and saw the place was completely trashed; garbage everywhere, carpet was dirty you can tell shoes were never taken off, the place was like a crackden.
an officer who showed up that night asked me about the mother and her treatment of the babies. i told him what i knew. i said quite frequently, the babies can be heard crying and the mother would yell at them and tell them to "shut the fuck up". not too long after, the mother came home but i never saw the baby she gave birth to. and wouldnt you know, later, her twin babies were taken away as well.
aboriginals have huge social issues and more money isnt going to solve it.
So what business does a first nations "leader" have with the "leader" of a country who is trying so hard to matter.
What is the Iranian government going to do? Try to manipulate Native leaders into joining the "fight against the west"? Are we going to see soverign Aboriginal land hold fissile material given to them by the Iranians?
Or is Ahmadinejad going to try to become a tribal leader in Canada seeing as this is his last term in office?
This Nelson guy sounds really naive in his thinking that he could have a working relationship with the Iranian government. Hes a pawn. And he makes it clear that its all about getting paid 2:20 into the video. He continues on at 2:35 to identify his problem with the "white man" when clearly the Canadian government is made up of so many more ethnicities than that. He admits that his band has a good relationship with the Harper government but they just "want more" (3:55)
This guy is a greedy racist asshole, which is probably why Arash is so ready to endorse him as a political leader.
Oh, and what is this "Press TV" organization? They seem like they don't have their shit together. They called "Mexico" a US State (37 seconds into the video Arash posted)
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She taught me right from wrong and always told me to stay positive and help others no matter how small the deed - that helping others gives us meaning to carry on. The sun is out today and it's a new day. Life is good. I just needed a slap in the face.
Press TV is probably like one of the many Fox News-esque outlets, but geared toward anti-Semitic and anti-West sentiments. Actually, forget that, it's more like a full-on pro-Iran news outlet considering it's state-owned.
Iran is the current president of NAM which hosted 120 countries with 50 heads of state a few months ago... but what do you know. Ive debated about Iran with you before... you've just been weaned off CBC crackers and Zionist milk propaganda all your life.
To have read you yourself are first nations just shows the level mind fuck Canadians are manipulated with for you to be against this guy. I dont blame you though, the best of minds from the most elite schools sit around in "think tanks" all day to get people to sing the same tune.
Now that we're finished with name calling, why dont you state some facts on why this guy is a fool.
Why is he a fool? Because he thinks working with the leader of a foreign government, a person who denied the Holocaust ever happened and is anti-semetic to boot, is going to help the plight of the "oppressed" people of Canada. Nelson may think he's doing good, but I'll guarantee whats-his-face in Iran has ulterior motives behind this. Posted via RS Mobile
CIC... random question: You.love to talk about zionists trying to control people... what's your opinion on Judaism and the holocaust? Posted via RS Mobile
60-95% unemployed, 95-100% of some womens jail are aboriginal, and 10,000 children taken away huh. why am i not surprised.
aboriginals get money from the govt the day they are born. the govt gives them money for rent, babies, etc. so many dont find the need to work and they got so much time on their hands they abuse drugs and alcohol
You've obviously attended this immigrant governments schooling system, along with watching its media, and have no idea how the native Canadians have had their family structure broken down generation after generation.
These issues were nicely expressed in another forum (Beyond.ca, Attawapiskat Crisis) which I'll post some of the talking points... mostly from member Antonio and Ryan.
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Canada and the church has done so much damage to an entire generation of First Nations with miss-managed, miss-guided assimilation programs such as the residential schools. That damage will still likely be felt for generations to come. Our country basically created a large group that is now dependent on government to survive.
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from my understanding its unlawful, an international human rights law, for the Canadian government to infringe on the natural rights of the natives in this land. Like polluting their environment, stealing land that their ancestors have occupied for thousands of years which was a food source for them, and restricting their movement
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The societal problems of natives is well documented and established as stemming in large part from horrific abuse that lasted into the mid 1900s at places like residential schools. There are still people alive today who were ripped from their families and sent to these places where at best they were taught to disregard everything they know about themselves, and at worst were beaten and raped. For fucks sakes, it took till the 60s before natives were allowed to even vote like real people.
Now, when you have generations of people dealing with things like PTSD, and having to self medicate with alcohol and drugs because the official channels can't be trusted to treat them properly, subsequent generations are being fucked up with high rates of abuse and neglect.
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"So what, lots of people come from shitty backgrounds, why are these people special?"
Good question. The answer lies in who caused these shitty conditions. Seeing as how the government was a direct cause for these problems, the onus falls on the government to try to provide a solution.
So far the solution has been to give them money and set up economic/social programs to encourage self reliance (free schooling, job programs, etc). Neither is a magic pill that is imediately fixing the problem, but simply saying "ok guys, sorry we ruined your society and shattered your lives, but fuck you fix yourselves, the rest of Canada is butthurt" just isn't going to cut it.
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You do have a point that providing a meager (lol at "all their needs met", the conditions are often complete and utter shit and you wouldn't want to live on government assistance if given the choice) existence is a crutch that is being used, but there are so many existing problems that no one is really sure what to do. There is way too much history to try to force a solution, simply cutting off support is a final death sentence to many, and the status quo is a long painful process.
Yes, there are many examples of natives leaving the reserve and being productive members of society. I'm not saying it's impossible. I am however pointing out that it's significantly harder for reasons that go far past "they're lazy alcoholics" and have direct ties to the governments recent transgressions. So whenever someone on Beyond (or anywhere really) writes things like "why don't they just get jobs", "why is this my problem" or "why are they bitching about something that happened 300 years ago", I try to point out that they seem to lack a lot of knowledge on the subject.
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You're going to represent the history of natives as a drunken retirement home? Are you playing stupid or are you really this ignorant?
Ok, assuming you are simply ignorant, I'll put this into context for you, and I'll even use your handy dandy analogy so it's easy to follow along:
Say for instance if Red Deer was invaded by Calgarians and some of the locals murdered and the rest were removed from their homes to the outer limits of town, their jobs taken away, and a treaty signed under the threat of extermination. In exchange for not fighting back they are given some money but are also treated like sub-humans
First thing that happens... without jobs to go to (in this case jobs represent the natural resources that natives used that were hunted/used to extinction by settlers) depression sets in. Most interactions with Calgarians are bitter affairs and often end with Red Deerians arrested. Alcoholism begins
The negatives start to come out soon after that. Calgarians are sick of the Red Deerians causing trouble and being drunk. They decide that it is their duty to God to educate the Red Deerians
Luckily, religion to the rescue! Calgarians go into Red Deer homes and take the children under threat of prison time to the parents.... we all know how this ends.
Given enough time, the city would become a crime ridden shit hole... people there would be uneducated, spiritually/mentally/physically broken, addicted from birth to drugs/alcohol, justifiably untrusting of outsiders and unable to give up the free retirement pacakge. How could you ask them to after suffering through so much crap due to something that was so well intentioned. Sound familiar?
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I'm quite certain that robbing the natives of the ability to do things for themselves is what robbed them of their motivation to do things for themselves.
That was the whole point of giving out money in the first place. Before there was an unstoppable social/political/economic system put in place like there is now, natives going out and 'making their own way' meant significant and often violent clashes with settlers. It was not a matter of the natives choosing between an honest days work and welfare, it was choosing between a nightmarish life and a dependent life.
Given the option between going to war with a group of people that have you outgunned and want everything you have, or taking a handout, which do you think you'd go with? And how would you feel about being limited to those two choices? Depressed? Pissed off?
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You have to look at history to understand the full scope of the issue. If the only problem was that they had gotten lazy because of free money, than your ridiculous case study and rhetoric would be valid. However looking at the history (both long ago and recent) reveals a lot of other issues that make integration and stability a significant challenge. That's why my panties are in a knot, you are white washing over every other factor that doesn't justify your desire to cut them off the public dole.
Are they hopeless? No, of course not. But there are factors beyond an unwillingness to work that have to be accounted for
My solution? A long hard slog of mostly voluntary education, opportunities and treatment. This isn't very palatable for most because it represents entire fractions of their tax dollars, but that's what it's going to take. A hardline stance will fail (and has failed miserably before). Complete abandonment will also fail. Obviously incentives would have to be in place to create inertia, but a hard shove isn't going to work.
As for their actual location, it's a catch 22. Where they are is not conducive to stability, but then again neither would be bringing them to a big city. NIMBYism would keep them situated in areas that are as bad or worse than the reserve they are on now
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There's no hope, magic or destiny in any of this other than your idea that they can magically make their problems disappear if they can only find some purpose.
There are a lot of people that are either straight up unemployable or damn near to it. Bottom line. Even with constant counselling and a loooooot of leeway from employers (which they almost never get, I've seen it first hand hundreds of times), people with significant emotional disorders and/or FAS have little to no hope of gaining long term employment. So I'm not "writing these people off", I'm pointing out the reality that a significant effort has to be put in to both accommodate these people as well as find a way to not have these issues spread to future generations. That process happens naturally over time, assuming no one goes in and fucks the whole thing up again like has happened several times
How to do that in a matter of a year or even a decade is beyond my ability to figure out.
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1. Undamaged people who succesfully leave the reserve and integrate into Canadian society. They did not walk off the reserve and then magically decide to change their entire lives. They see an opportunity and take it. The fact that people do leave the reserve shows that it isn't the assistance that is causing the problems. If all their needs were met, why would anyone leave? Do you remember our trip to the reserve? Did it look like a happy time? Would you want to live there if you qualified? Hell no. There's other factors that cause people to stay in reserves, and the people who do succesfully leave are examples of what happens when those factors have been mitigated to some extent.
2. Damaged people who leave the reserve and end up on the streets. This is self explanatory. Take your average teenager who's been living off their parents support, remove them from that support, and they make their way in life (or at least go running back to mommy and daddy). Take someone with crippling issues and remove their support, and they end up sleeping on a street corner, in prison, or buried on a pig farm. That would indicate that socialism is not the root cause of their problems. If it was, they would have simply gotten jobs once they left the reserve.
While we're on the topic, how does one determine the fair value of stolen land, molested children, and genocide?
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Why would there have to be people hundreds of years old for my point to stand? there are still people alive today who got fucked by the government. I mention hundreds of years of shit because it's important to show a consistent pattern. One generation of people being fucked with is far easier to get out of a cycle than people who have been fucked with from generation to generation to generation.
You are correct, their shitty families affect them. That's been my point all along. It's not socialism, it's dysfunction being passed on. What caused that dysfunction? Mostly hundreds of years of being fucked with, which occured up until a generation that has surviving members alive today. If your grandparents were tortured at a residential school, there's a hell of a good chance the cycle of abuse and/or substance abuse stemming from that won't have stopped by the time you came into existence.
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Bingo. I'm not sure why you think this disproves my point. Why would someone who is able to function and make a good living want to live off of barely more than welfare rates in a shitty town? This is why I laugh at people who think that being a native is such a wonderful life. Oh yes, me too please. I want to get entire hundreds of dollars per month and live with alcoholics, prostitutes and drug addicts. It's the Canadian dream!
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treaties...
Well legally it is supposed to go on forever, but when the day comes that say 90% of natives are integrated and can't trace their problems directly to the government, the payments will most likely stop. Every native I know that has a normal life wants nothing to do with government handouts.
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ive had a personal run-in with a 20 something yr old aboriginal women who was a downstairs tenant of my familys home. she was a single mother of twin babies (and later a 3rd)
one night, after about a yr of tenancy, i saw ambulance come and haul her fat ass out of the house. turns out the fat bitch was pregnant and didnt even know. And didnt even know it because she was so fat? or cause an ambulance showed up to give her a ride to the hospital?, thats a pretty stupid assumption.
i looked inside and saw the place was completely trashed; garbage everywhere, carpet was dirty you can tell shoes were never taken off, the place was like a crackden. One of my friends from India likes to wear shoes inside, can we brush all Indians in that light?
an officer who showed up that night asked me about the mother and her treatment of the babies. i told him what i knew. i said quite frequently, the babies can be heard crying and the mother would yell at them and tell them to "shut the fuck up". not too long after, the mother came home but i never saw the baby she gave birth to. and wouldnt you know, later, her twin babies were taken away as well. I hear the government likes to take away children from their mothers (just like the past).... like the mothers protests I saw in Calgary covered by PressTV news, but did you actually see social services take these kids, what if they were staying with the grandmother.
aboriginals have huge social issues and more money isnt going to solve it. Power to control their own destinies with the lands they have been living on for thousands and thousands of years can solve problems. I wonder can aboriginals build permanent houses on the lands that they so called been "given" to keep?
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So what business does a first nations "leader" have with the "leader" of a country who is trying so hard to matter.
What is the Iranian government going to do? Try to manipulate Native leaders into joining the "fight against the west"? Are we going to see soverign Aboriginal land hold fissile material given to them by the Iranians? They can possibly invest in harvesting natural resources to sell on the market. Put pressure on other countries to recognize Canada's abuses and stop dealing with this government unless changes are made
Or is Ahmadinejad going to try to become a tribal leader in Canada seeing as this is his last term in office?
This Nelson guy sounds really naive in his thinking that he could have a working relationship with the Iranian government. Hes a pawn. And he makes it clear that its all about getting paid 2:20 into the video. He continues on at 2:35 to identify his problem with the "white man" when clearly the Canadian government is made up of so many more ethnicities than that. He admits that his band has a good relationship with the Harper government but they just "want more" (3:55)
This guy is a greedy racist asshole, which is probably why Arash is so ready to endorse him as a political leader. Who are you to say that they shouldnt get paid.
Referring to the "white man" has a symbolic meaning. Who other then the Zionist banking monopoly dynasty to give English citizens guns to murder and further the empire.
Now your calling me and him a greedy racist asshole, be specific as to why.
Oh, and what is this "Press TV" organization? They seem like they don't have their shit together. They called "Mexico" a US State (37 seconds into the video Arash posted) Im not even going to look into it because its pathetic attempt to discredit this topic
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Press TV is probably like one of the many Fox News-esque outlets, but geared toward anti-Semitic and anti-West sentiments. Actually, forget that, it's more like a full-on pro-Iran news outlet considering it's state-owned.
Here are more talking points from that thread, maybe you can learn a thing or two CorneringArtist.
I think that there's something fundamentally wrong with a country like Canada that exists only due to land stolen from the native people of this country. Why don't all the white people just go back to Europe, that would solve everything. Natives got along just fine in this country before we showed up and started telling them to grow vegetables in rows and pay for things like insurance and cell phones.
Many of the treaties were signed by the British government well before "Canada" was formed as a country. Just because a new country was formed doesn't get the whiteys out of their treaty obligations. If that were the case, I'm pretty sure the natives would jump at the chance to get their land and mineral rights back.
I feel pity for a country that still has a Governor General (Queen's viceroy) as their head of state. I'm ashamed to be a Canadian. Nobody got a more raw deal than the native Canadian - and I mean nobody.
Sounds great. Show me anywhere in any treaty where it says that the white man can extract oil from the Athabasca oil sands without approval from the natives. I'm pretty sure they'd take all that oil revenue over four dollars a year.
Basically, yes. When the white man showed up he made a deal with them - we can stay and rape your natural resources and in exchange we'll give you some money for beer. If you want to cut them off from their money, then they have every right to ask us to go back to Europe.
They agreed to let us stay on a series of conditions, many of which we have failed to meet as evidenced by the current crisis in this particular reserve.
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Why is he a fool? Because he thinks working with the leader of a foreign government, a person who denied the Holocaust ever happened and is anti-semetic to boot, is going to help the plight of the "oppressed" people of Canada. Nelson may think he's doing good, but I'll guarantee whats-his-face in Iran has ulterior motives behind this. Posted via RS Mobile
While the west announces fake aid to poverty stricken countries in which majority of the time it is the cause of such plight, the Iranians have actually helped drought stricken places in Africa and impoverished peoples like the Palestinians which the West and its middle eastern military base are trying to slowly genocide.
You only know what the media here tells you about Irans leader... have you ever listened to one of his speeches?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYKy4dfSF-o
Why would Rabbi's meet and kiss this so called horrible man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-r04SQ97_Q
I think you are the fool.
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CIC... random question: You.love to talk about zionists trying to control people... what's your opinion on Judaism and the holocaust? Posted via RS Mobile
My opinion on Judaism is that its one of the first mainstream religions and a base for Christianity and Islam, but from what I have read, the first two dont technically see all humans as equal and with Christianity having a whole host of heathenist role models. They all serve humans well though. For the latter question, why dont you tell me your definition of what the holocaust is and what revisionist documentaries you have watched, specially ones with historians in European jails at the moment, and then I'll interject my feelings.
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a person who denied the Holocaust ever happened and is anti-semetic to boot Posted via RS Mobile
i dont think he's ever given an opinion on the holocaust (even when asked directly he dodges it re: pierce morgan interview)
i think his whole goal of hosting debates over whether or not the holocaust happened is specifically to speak out/oppose europe, to show their hypocrisy since if anyone even thinks about denying or even debating facets of the holocaust in europe they get jailed so he's simply doing what western media is doing to him (pointing out flaws and creating an enemy for the populace)
hell he even tried pointing that out during his recent cnn interview
i think his whole reasoning is his typical anti-western shtick; doing anything to snub his nose at them as with this topic here by giving a soap box to the chief
I honestly don't know why aboriginal folk get so much extra funding, they are healthy people just like I am, and I don't get any special attention.
Get over the fact that it's the 21st century, leave the reservation, get a job, pay for your own shit in full just like everybody else, I have no debt to pay back to any aboriginal man, woman, or child.
All I hear is bitching, nobody is forcing you to leave your ways behind, it's a free country, but don't say that I owe you anything for living here. You don't own the land, and neither do I, nobody does, integrate.
Iran is the current president of NAM which hosted 120 countries with 50 heads of state a few months ago... but what do you know. Ive debated about Iran with you before... you've just been weaned off CBC crackers and Zionist milk propaganda all your life.
To have read you yourself are first nations just shows the level mind fuck Canadians are manipulated with for you to be against this guy. I dont blame you though, the best of minds from the most elite schools sit around in "think tanks" all day to get people to sing the same tune.
Now that we're finished with name calling, why dont you state some facts on why this guy is a fool.
I oppose Nelson because of my ancestry, not as the product of propaganda.
Nelson was removed from the position as Chief by his own people, and has been repeatedly and dismally unsuccessful in campaigns for position as National Chief. Nelson is not a leader among the First Nations people of Canada, he only garners attention because his extremely radical opinions make good news headlines.
"There's only two ways to deal with the white man. Either you pick up a gun or you stand between him and his money." - Nelson, 2007.
The path to long term prosperity, and a return of mutual respect, is not paved with armed conflict and extortion. First Nations people do not want to go to war against 'the white man,' as Nelson refers to all non-native Canadian people. First Nations people want to reach agreements amicably, that benefit both of our people and all other Canadians.
I don't understand how this could be any more than a publicity stunt.
If Iran were serious, why would they invite the candidate who came in last during the campaign for National Chief to speak?
If Iran were serious, why would they invite a disgraced, ousted former Chief, over the 633 current Chiefs?
i dont think he's ever given an opinion on the holocaust (even when asked directly he dodges it re: pierce morgan interview)
i think his whole goal of hosting debates over whether or not the holocaust happened is specifically to speak out/oppose europe, to show their hypocrisy since if anyone even thinks about denying or even debating facets of the holocaust in europe they get jailed so he's simply doing what western media is doing to him (pointing out flaws and creating an enemy for the populace)
hell he even tried pointing that out during his recent cnn interview
i think his whole reasoning is his typical anti-western shtick; doing anything to snub his nose at them as with this topic here by giving a soap box to the chief
The world wars were created to further control, murder and take over lands and powers like the Ottoman empire. Setting up isreal as a military base in such an important geographical location with a none Arab army was a long sought out plan by the powers that be with Lord Rothchild when he had the British hand it over.
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I honestly don't know why aboriginal folk get so much extra funding, they are healthy people just like I am, and I don't get any special attention.
Im going to make a graphic, which could be grossly underestimated, showing how long your ethnic people have been on this land and low long the first nations people have been here.
That ^ there in the red is how long Canada has existed, you didnt even make the graphic.
Thats just the beginning of the debate, if you actually read my previous post in the "spoiler" button content, you'll see why you arent special.
Get over the fact that it's the 21st century, leave the reservation, get a job, pay for your own shit in full just like everybody else, I have no debt to pay back to any aboriginal man, woman, or child.
Looks like your worried about what its going to cost you. Canada.com reports the (illegal) Afghan war will cost 22 billion Canadian dollars to this point... do you care we're supporting an empire that is forever trying to expand and take over the world with no regard for human life. 2.5 - 3 million people have died since 911.
If first nations get pockets of independence and create their own economies with their resources, they would be spending their monies in our businesses too, making Canadians richer...
rather then our governments owners letting their shill corporations plunder our resources and give us change to pay our war interest debts. What will be and has been left over from this plunder is contaminated water tables, animal (food source) habitats destroyed, and a bit of coin for the working mules to pay their bills and breed more slaves for this country.
All I hear is bitching, nobody is forcing you to leave your ways behind, it's a free country, but don't say that I owe you anything for living here. You don't own the land, and neither do I, nobody does, integrate. The first nations just want their rights and what is rightfully theirs, they're not going to boot you out of Canada or incur debts on you if they rule this place. And no this is not a free country nor is it owner-less, just try building a cabin in the woods or hunt for food and see how long you stay free.
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I oppose Nelson because of my ancestry, not as the product of propaganda.
Nelson was removed from the position as Chief by his own people, and has been repeatedly and dismally unsuccessful in campaigns for position as National Chief.
Why, I can only assume the government has been playing carrot and stick with the electors or maybe there are better skilled leaders we dont know about.
Nelson is not a leader among the First Nations people of Canada, he only garners attention because his extremely radical opinions make good news headlines.
"There's only two ways to deal with the white man. Either you pick up a gun or you stand between him and his money." - Nelson, 2007.
Maybe the first nations should just write their member of parliament enough times to get a piece of the pie, rather then stand in-between its natural resources being given away?
The path to long term prosperity, and a return of mutual respect, is not paved with armed conflict and extortion. First Nations people do not want to go to war against 'the white man,' as Nelson refers to all non-native Canadian people. Really? to me, him saying that equals the hegemonic Zionist elites that rule the world.
First Nations people want to reach agreements amicably, that benefit both of our people and all other Canadians. Do you really think the owners (if you can fathom how far up the tree this ownership goes) of this government that funded both sides of the world wars or play African war lords against each other will buddy up with the aboriginals anytime soon, Whats the hold up?
I don't understand how this could be any more than a publicity stunt.
If Iran were serious, why would they invite the candidate who came in last during the campaign for National Chief to speak? The video I posted was cut short. The full version was just posted on PressTV which should explain why. PressTV - Aboriginal leader blasts Canada for human rights violations
If Iran were serious, why would they invite a disgraced, ousted former Chief, over the 633 current Chiefs? Point me to some kind of media where one of these other Chiefs has risked speaking out such truths.
Why, I can only assume the government has been playing carrot and stick with the electors or maybe there are better skilled leaders we dont know about.
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Point me to some kind of media where one of these other Chiefs has risked speaking out such truths.
No, Nelson was dismissed from his position as Chief for his absurdly inappropriate actions and attempting to lead his people in a direction they opposed. One such incident involved putting a shotgun to a teenagers head. Nelson simply lacks leadership ability in every sense; his charisma, demeanor, and intelligence are all severely lacking, his only redeeming quality (sort of) is being exceptionally head-strong.
Maybe the first nations should just write their member of parliament enough times to get a piece of the pie, rather then stand in-between its natural resources being given away?
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Really? to me, him saying that equals the hegemonic Zionist elites that rule the world.
The path to success is aggressive treaty negotiations. An armed uprising will achieve anything nothing, we do not live in a world where that is reasonable or practical; first nations people don't want to engage fellow Canadians in an armed rebellion, which is essentially what Nelson suggests. A blockade will enact suffering on the wrong people, build nothing but resentment, and eventually be broken up by the military.
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Do you really think the owners (if you can fathom how far up the tree this ownership goes) of this government that funded both sides of the world wars or play African war lords against each other will buddy up with the aboriginals anytime soon, Whats the hold up?
I think the general voice of the people is still very ignorant of the issues facing aboriginal people around the world, and until that changes further it will be difficult for any progress to be made. Change, progressive change, is happening however, and will continue, and eventually First Nations and non-ancestral Canadians will stand together and fight for all our rights. Nelson suggests making enemies, dividing ourselves further when we should be banding together.
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The video I posted was cut short. The full version was just posted on PressTV which should explain why.
PressTV - Aboriginal leader blasts Canada for human rights violations
I'll try to watch the full version, but whenever I hear Nelson speak...
For the latter question, why dont you tell me your definition of what the holocaust is and what revisionist documentaries you have watched, specially ones with historians in European jails at the moment, and then I'll interject my feelings.
I can do you one better. My mom's dad fought for the Nazi's in WW2 (he was a medic under Rommel's command) and my dad's family were all Austrian Jews who were deeply impacted by the actions the Nazi regime did to them (many family members died in concentration camps and those that survived were more or less impacted for life... not to mention the permanent tattoos they all carried for the rest of their lives).
While I agree that most videos and text books on history tend to be slightly biased towards whoever created it, I think the personal experiences my entire extended family went through 70 years ago kinda trumps whatever you may have to say. If you're interested, before they all passed away, I managed to get a few family members to share their stories of their experiences on video. I'm sure I can digitize them off of the old VHS cassettes and put 'em all online for all to see. WW2, and the Holocaust specifically, has been a huge interest of mine for twenty-odd years and I have a crap load of family-specific - along with German-state - information that typically doesn't see the light of day.
Its been an interest of yours but yet you havent seen any of the revisionist documentaries?
If I opened the flood gates during the Katrina storm in the state of Louisiana, does a survivors account tell me who opened the flood gates?
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Originally Posted by MindBomber
No, Nelson was dismissed from his position as Chief for his absurdly inappropriate actions and attempting to lead his people in a direction they opposed. One such incident involved putting a shotgun to a teenagers head. Nelson simply lacks leadership ability in every sense; his charisma, demeanor, and intelligence are all severely lacking, his only redeeming quality (sort of) is being exceptionally head-strong.
The path to success is aggressive treaty negotiations. An armed uprising will achieve anything nothing, we do not live in a world where that is reasonable or practical; first nations people don't want to engage fellow Canadians in an armed rebellion, which is essentially what Nelson suggests. A blockade will enact suffering on the wrong people, build nothing but resentment, and eventually be broken up by the military. I think blockades sure would create local resentment with the way the media would spin it but it would get attention on the world stage if Canadian enforcers arrest peaceful protesters continually in mass numbers. It would also be a public relations nightmare for companies doing the extractions. This isnt like isreal where a bulldozer can run over an activist like Rachel Corrie and have no one charged with murder... atleast I dont think it would be. It would also delay resource extraction and put a dent in the cost of companies in worker wages but no work completed and a slow down in sales.
Not all of this is about money too at the same time, can you imagine one of these Alberta oil transport ship in the Fraser River busting open or a future oil line pouring into our environment... all for what, powering the American war machine.
Ive also seen a few documentaries where Canadian mining companies are polluting 3rd world countries purposely... no doubt these practices are taking place here too.
But overall I would like to see the first nations doing their own extracting of resources and see how the government will step in then.
I think the general voice of the people is still very ignorant of the issues facing aboriginal people around the world, and until that changes further it will be difficult for any progress to be made. Change, progressive change, is happening however, and will continue, and eventually First Nations and non-ancestral Canadians will stand together and fight for all our rights. Nelson suggests making enemies, dividing ourselves further when we should be banding together. I think there is some hope but media propaganda is still strong and people are preoccupied with stupid things in their life or/and are struggling to care. People here dont care too much for world events and to get their news from unbiased sources.
Im pretty sure if I went on Robson with a camera man and a mic, and asked the general public if Assad of Syria should be put in jail for war crimes or get the death sentence, no one would label him as a freedom fighter.
I'll try to watch the full version, but whenever I hear Nelson speak...
Its been an interest of yours but yet you havent seen any of the revisionist documentaries?
If I opened the flood gates during the Katrina storm in the state of Louisiana, does a survivors account tell me who opened the flood gates?
Yes, I've seen a couple revisionist documentaries. While they bring up some interesting points, those points can virtually all be argued rather soundly.
This is off topic to this thread but going into detail about this stuff can be risky as spreading hate speech in Canada and getting put in jail if you go to Europe.
What cant be argued rather soundly is why after Hitler, after conquering a European state, was given that countries gold reserves on his request from Britain when they were enemies at the time. This can be seen in a mainstream Discovery channel documentary called Banking with Hitler.
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