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Personally I don't agree with the concept that "the more guns there are in civilians hands, the less likely crime will occur." Obviously banning guns outright simply means that the only people to carry firearms would be law enforcement personnel, legal bodyguard companies and criminals. I don't doubt that by banning guns that you'd likely prevent a couple random shootings but, by looking at the bigger picture, all you're doing is avoiding the bigger problem: Why are people doing these shootings? Looking at the USA by itself, it has some giant economic and social issues that is polarizing many people. Firearm murders in the USA are actually dropping over the last few years, but in cities where there are huge problems at play, like Detroit, gun-related crimes are actually rising significantly. One would think that there's a reason for why certain areas have a spike in these states when the overall trend is dropping. I dunno, I'm tired and I'm quickly losing my focus... Just one last thing to think about, though: 2009 stats from the Brady Act: 150,000 -- Brady Act background checks in 2009 that led to the rejection of a potential gun buyer's application. 39 -- Percentage of applications denied by states because of a felony conviction or indictment. So obviously it is working somewhat. I would say it's not enough, but at least not everyone applying for a weapon is getting 'em... |
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I was seriously depressed when I was younger, the help I recieved changed my life. Having somebody to just talk to in private makes a world of difference, I can't imagine what it would feel like to not having access to that kind of help. The majority of people with mental issues attempt to hide most of their outward emotions regarding their problems. It doesn't go away, it simply compounds, and when you have enough negative thoughts trapped inside, you do something you shouldn't have. The problem is, that lack of help is a jarring reality in the U.S, and it leads to a lot of social unrest given the population. Given the prevalence of illegal and improperly stored legal firearms, it creates a perfect storm for tradegies such as this. You don't need restrictions on the guns (take that in moderation), you need restrictions on how the guns are aquired and treated (wherever they are stored). The mother of the shooter did not have the guns locked away safely (in addition to a lack of trigger locks), and as such, were stolen and used for a crime with ease. Canada has a fairly efficient system, not just anybody can aquire a firearm, you have to prove that you can respect the gun, and that you are healthy enough to own one. While I disagree with some grey areas that the government has chosen to enforce in terms of the firearms available, I do not disagree that the method required to obtain them is probably the safest and most effective there is. |
There is a very thoroughly researched book called "Columbine" in which the author spent many years investigating what exactly happened at Columbine high-school where 15 people were killed. In short, after his exhaustive study, he concluded that in large part the two teenagers that were involved in the massacre were suffering from psychological disorders for which they were taking prescription drugs to ameliorate (these drugs themselves may have had side effects that contributed to the shooting). The author posited that if our society was better informed about the psychological/neurological pathologies that affect many people in our communities, and invested in the care and treatment of these individuals, tragedies like that which took place at Columbine high school could be significantly reduced in the future. Lastly, my thoughts on guns is that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Instead of using violence (through government) to limit people's right to protect themselves and their families, we could be much better off using our resources to build healthier communities. Case in point, Switzerland has really high rates of gun ownership and it's a very safe and prosperous. |
Just saw on the news that an 11 year old kid carried a gun to school after the whole incident. The kid said it was for his own safety or something. Thats pretty unbelivable.. Posted via RS Mobile |
^^^^ can thank the parents for scaring the shit out of him into thinking he'd need to take one for protection and leaving a gun where he has access to it |
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A Utah sixth-grader caught with a gun at school told administrators he brought the weapon to defend himself in case of an attack similar to last week's mass shooting at a Connecticut school, officials said Tuesday. The 11-year-old was being held in juvenile detention on suspicion of possessing a dangerous weapon and aggravated assault after other students at the suburban Salt Lake City elementary school told police he threatened them with the handgun. Read more: 11-year-old US boy arrested after bringing gun to school, cites fear of mass shooting |
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then, "exception to the rule"? Isn't EVERY mass shooting an exception to the rule? the whole point of gun control, from the anti-gun perspective, is that by eliminating guns or making it extremely difficult to acquire them, there would be NO shootings. The example given by RRxStar is perfect in showing that, even with our strict gun laws in Canada, this guy somehow was able to get a gun illegally, loaded it, and brought it to a pub. Thankfully he didn't shoot anyone with it. According to your logic (that gun control "works"), this should've NEVER happened, right? but no, it did! These laws are supposed to be preventative measures and not just there to give out sentences to those that break them. In this case, the guy had: - no license - no permission to acquire and posses a gun - no permission to bring a loaded gun to public venues - no fear of being prosecuted - no regard for the laws that are in place that's supposed to deter him from doing everything mentioned above how could you say that gun control works when he broke every single one of them? Gun laws make it difficult for law abiding citizens to acquire guns (for hunting, target shooting, sport shooting, collecting, etc), but they do very little in getting guns out of criminals' hands (duh! criminals don't care about these laws!). You also mentioned that "most mass shooters, or "good people", went crazy with their legally acquired guns" - by saying that you basically painted everyone with a firearms license with the same brush, marking them as "potential criminals/crazies". Well, there are 2 million of them in Canada, legally, so I suggest you run and hide because they're everywhere, and they're all a bunch of ticking time bombs waiting to explode! Scary! People don't just "go crazy" and start shooting others, they "go crazy" after suffering mental illness for a long period of time and got to the tipping point where they had no choice (in their mind) but to kill, so that they can get noticed to receive help. I am very certain that if guns didn't exist, we'd be talking about swords, knives, crossbows, etc, trying to figure out how to restrict them, ban them, or control the heck out of them, because the world can be a better place without them, right....? Sounds like a familiar discussion to me. |
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“He pulled out a gun and put it to my head. He said he was gonna kill us. I told him I was gonna go tell. He said, if you tell I’m gonna kill you.” -http://americablog.com/2012/12/kid-brings-gun-to-school-sandy-hook.html |
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i dont know about all kids, but i know damn well when i was younger, after the teacher would confiscate something i had and put it in her desk...the moment she got up to leave the room, a few kids would run up and get their stuff back. i dont even want to imagine what a shit disturbing 9 year old would do if they found a loaded gun in a teachers desk.. it should be mandatory for all firearms to have a trigger lock that opens with a key, and the key to be on the registered owner at all times. to top it off, law enforcement should do random check ups to make sure the firearms are being stored in a safe manner. ive a trigger lock on all my firearms, not key locks, just the locks where you put in 3 numbers...and anyone with 15 minutes to kill can easily open it...sooner or later your going to get the right number...but then again, all my firearms are inside a gun safe with trigger locks, and the only 2 people with a key to the safe are my dad and myself. |
To be fair, we're are required to have locks on them. Just wondering, why safe + trigger locks? |
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since i only have locks that require the sliding 3 numbers, if anyone were to ever get their hands on it, an easy 15 minutes of going throung 1-1-1 no 1-1-2 no etc would unlock the gun. so for that reason, i also have a safe...just for added safety measures. |
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What do "stiffer sentences" do to somone who doesn't care about living.. Posted via RS Mobile |
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common criminals want to live; and as seen in japan and the uk it is a deterrent to that category (minimum 5 years in the uk for a gun and up to 4 years for a knife; Japan up to 10 years) |
I completely agree with that, however that doesn't prevent these instances Posted via RS Mobile |
brb 10 years in prison for suicide bombers. |
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:facepalm: NRA: "Only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"; suggesting schools need armed security Only in America do you get such logic (or lack thereof)... |
^ Did anyone really expect a different response from the NRA. To their credit, the NRA did criticize the impact of violence in video games and TV. Posted via RS Mobile |
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There are over 130,000 schools in the US. So he wants there to magically be 130,000 new gun-toting guards hired and on duty within two weeks. Let's say each gets paid an annual salary of $50,000. That's only $6.5B per year... pocket change! Forget about the logistics. Would this even help? So if there was an armed guard at every school, I would think that any potential killer would take them out first in a surprise attack... thus not changing anything. So what then? Two armed guards at every school? I haven't really had a stance on this issue. I just hate stupidity. |
Pretty funny how a marketing expert is openly dissing these NRA guys: NRA’s comments are ‘arrogant’: prof | News1130 Quote:
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The full transcript of the NRA's conference: No TL;DR, read for yourself and take from it what you will. I worry that a TL;DR would be influenced by my personal take on the issue. Quote:
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