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Old 12-14-2012, 08:04 PM   #126
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My problem is not with all guns but automatic weapons.

Do people really need to own assault rifles?
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:19 PM   #129
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that is a misconception as i believe only a handful of states, maybe even only 2 i'm thinking allow fully automatic weapons to be owned by civilians?

As is the perception behind "Black weapons" or Assault rifles, In the states there isnt the stigma there is here in Canada with Assault rifles, i recently watched a documentry that basically summed up how all "Assault" weapons became restricted after the montreal polytechnique massacre

Basically a guy stood in front of a bunch of MP's and asked which guns looked more "threataning" to a panel of people who had no prior knowledge of firearms, the end result was the restriction of guns such as the AR-15, M41A, etc when in reality besides the look, they are no different than a regular hunting rifle

in Canada, these are restricted, IE. you can only take them from your home to a range you have registered to carry it go with the federal government:





However, the SKS, and CZ are completely legal and can be brought anywhere, carried in a vehicle anywhere, etc.





And they are ALL, essentially the same thing as this:



Semi automatic, Magazine/Cartridge fed

Also, in terms of availability the .223 Ammo which the M4 takes is much more expensive than the SKS Ammo, an average person with a valid PAL could buy an SKS and 1000 rounds of Ammunition for under $400
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:36 PM   #130
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Just read through some of the comments, it's not that simple to change/amend the gun laws. The entrenchment of the US Constitution makes it very difficult for any changes to occur at all. 2/3 of both Houses of Congress plus 3/4 of the States must ratify the amendment. The last amendment to the constitution was in 1789 I believe. Both the Equal Rights and Child Labor amendments have yet to be passed into the constitution and they were proposed over 40 and 80 years ago.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:38 PM   #131
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A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

Some interesting stats there too

" America's gun control laws are the loosest in the developed world and its rate of gun-related homicide is the highest. Of the world's 23 "rich" countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22. With almost one privately owned firearm per person, America's ownership rate is the highest in the world; tribal-conflict-torn Yemen is ranked second, with a rate about half of America's. "
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Sad, sad story. Many kids went to school today not knowing it would be the last time they ever would. Just before the holidays too, RIP and condolences to the families and friends involved.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:49 PM   #134
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I'm still trying to wonder why many Americans are defending the second amendment to the DEATH as if the founding fathers were God and meant for this loose gun control policy to exist in a modern America when it was drafted in 1791.

It's just sad how some people are saying if some of the teachers had used this right in their classroom the massacre may have been able to be prevented. Right, like some teacher will bring a gun to a class full of children in the supposedly huge chance someone else with a gun will come in.

Some are even saying in comment sections of articles that the second amendment will protect Americans from their own army when they "take away their freedom" because citizens don't have access to helicopters and whatnot.

It's just sad when politics get involved in something like this.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:07 PM   #136
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:16 PM   #137
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Society has always blamed the machine over the individual, society will always blame the individual over society. The society will never blame society because it has to admit that it has failed.

Society did not care about the individual until he used a machine to kill.

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Old 12-14-2012, 10:19 PM   #138
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they sure make it easy for 'regular' people to kill lots of individuals in short time though.
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that is a misconception as i believe only a handful of states, maybe even only 2 i'm thinking allow fully automatic weapons to be owned by civilians?

As is the perception behind "Black weapons" or Assault rifles, In the states there isnt the stigma there is here in Canada with Assault rifles, i recently watched a documentry that basically summed up how all "Assault" weapons became restricted after the montreal polytechnique massacre

Basically a guy stood in front of a bunch of MP's and asked which guns looked more "threataning" to a panel of people who had no prior knowledge of firearms, the end result was the restriction of guns such as the AR-15, M41A, etc when in reality besides the look, they are no different than a regular hunting rifle

in Canada, these are restricted, IE. you can only take them from your home to a range you have registered to carry it go with the federal government:





However, the SKS, and CZ are completely legal and can be brought anywhere, carried in a vehicle anywhere, etc.





And they are ALL, essentially the same thing as this:



Semi automatic, Magazine/Cartridge fed

Also, in terms of availability the .223 Ammo which the M4 takes is much more expensive than the SKS Ammo, an average person with a valid PAL could buy an SKS and 1000 rounds of Ammunition for under $400
It's funny how the AR15 and M4 are both considered "evil" looking, yet it's perfectly legal for us to buy a gun that looks like the following and bring it into the bush to shoot...

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Old 12-14-2012, 10:35 PM   #140
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its clearly lost on the people who make the laws..which shows

honestly i've been around guns and hunting most of my life and I would consider myself ultra responsible/educated user and even to me the whole concept of a gun is kind of fucked up, in reality it is such a basic thing compared to the world around us but it has the potential to do so much
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:32 PM   #141
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I think it's also how "easy" (which is not at all) for Timmy to convert to a select fire weapon in the basement. Anyone remember the Norinco T97's?
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My problem is not with all guns but automatic weapons.

Do people really need to own assault rifles?
I think assault is thrown around too much. What exactly changes from an Assault weapon to one that is not? If ppl are grouping select fire weapons into the "assault" group, it honestly makes hardly any difference. An "automatic" weapon is pretty damn hard to control and prob would not increase the number of deaths if someone went nuts with one.
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I think assault is thrown around too much. What exactly changes from an Assault weapon to one that is not? If ppl are grouping select fire weapons into the "assault" group, it honestly makes hardly any difference. An "automatic" weapon is pretty damn hard to control and prob would not increase the number of deaths if someone went nuts with one.
If that were true then wouldn't everyone in the military be using a handgun?
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If that were true then wouldn't everyone in the military be using a handgun?
Naw, hand guns are actually terrible. The only thing they have going for them is size. That's it.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:01 AM   #145
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Super late to this, but I didn't get a chance to educate my self with the incident this afternoon, so I decided to read up on all the new sources just now. I am no where close to being a parent, but I just ran into this picture and it completely wrecked me on the inside


R.I.P to all of the kids, this is absolutely heartbreaking.
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this vid sums up my thoughts and rip to the people affected
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holy fuck.. all i had to do was read the title of this thread and my heart just dropped
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they sure make it easy for 'regular' people to kill lots of individuals in short time though.
actually..this does make sense now...you can only inflict so much damage with a knife on a group of people

a bomb isn't something that 100% of the ingredients are readily available to the public

it's much easier for a nut case to pack some guns and proceed with their plan.
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