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Old 04-10-2013, 09:39 AM   #26
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the bullying issue was what caused her to be depress which led to the suicide

but the rape part is very hard to determine, hopefully they'll find out...
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normally, when you see a girl like her, I would think she wouldnt be into gangbang.. but looks can be deceiving..
If it was just 1 guy and her, then I would think she wouldnt mind, but the fact that 4 guys had sex with her, thats what put her over the edge...

Im sure Anonymous would step in and try to get any more photos (if there were) and the truth will come out...
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yes... im well aware... but 1 its an allegation that four men had sex with her by the Mother the daughter said she can't remember anything but she thinks more than one guy had sex with her

the police obviously did their investigation... and in the end deemed that they couldn't even press charges... seriously im amazed at how clouded people become (the same ppl that tell the 911 truthers to "look at the facts")... let's just see what happens with a second look which looks like may happen
nobody is saying anything for certain either way. Don't compare people who think "4 guys banging a girl who is puking drunk and taking pictures of her" sounds like rape to 9/11 truthers.

The only issue I have is that you think that doesn't sound like rape. That is seriously. Fucked. UP.

Whether that's the truth or not is irrelevant - we don't know what happened that night. But going by the information given, you think that sounds like "she got drunk and got laid" instead of being raped.

What the fuck man
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It's pretty fucked up that cases like these go unsolved and then we have people accusing others of rape and ten years later, find out they were lying.
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I think this is a sad story but the girl have to be responsibility as well. As soon as the other girl leaves (4 guys 2 girls at frist) She should be smarter at that point and leave as well.

What was she expecting her alone with 4guys who have too much to drink, does she expect them to play cards? People have to learn to protect themselives in this world.
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nobody is saying anything for certain either way. Don't compare people who think "4 guys banging a girl who is puking drunk and taking pictures of her" sounds like rape to 9/11 truthers.

The only issue I have is that you think that doesn't sound like rape. That is seriously. Fucked. UP.

Whether that's the truth or not is irrelevant - we don't know what happened that night. But going by the information given, you think that sounds like "she got drunk and got laid" instead of being raped.

What the fuck man
... seriously... we've already been over that... you're just taking what the mother is saying as if that's the whole entirety of the story.. which it isn't.
my pov comes from the fact that the daughter says she doesn't know and the police and crown council are basically saying "we dont think so based on what we know"

people seem to have completely ignored the latter half of the facts and just took the mothers allegations as absolute truth

even in the national post article at the end they noted that in grief people just want to look for someone to blame and this seems to be the same case for many readers.. they're angry the girl was driven to suicide and are just looking for something to blame like placing guilt based on an allegation

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What was she expecting her alone with 4guys who have too much to drink
So every girl who is alone with drunk guys should expect to be raped?

What the fuck is going on in here? The expectation now is to be raped??? Is this how you think? Do you expect to rape girls when you're drunk?
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I think this is a sad story but the girl have to be responsibility as well. As soon as the other girl leaves (4 guys 2 girls at frist) She should be smarter at that point and leave as well.

What was she expecting her alone with 4guys who have too much to drink, does she expect them to play cards? People have to learn to protect themselives in this world.
WOW!

"Hey girls...its a rapey world out there and remember: IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"

Dressing too provocatively? You be achin' for a rapin'
Said yes, but then said no? Too late.
Everyone's been drinking? Nope. It's on you.
Did he buy you dinner? Yeah, there's no free lunch, its time to pick up the "tip"

COME THE FUCK ON! WAKE UP.

She was 15 years old, and you expect her to take full responsibility for getting plowed by 4 guys while so drunk that's she's vomiting?

We need to drive the lesson into kids minds that this shit is NOT OK.
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normally, when you see a girl like her, I would think she wouldnt be into gangbang.. but looks can be deceiving..
If it was just 1 guy and her,
I guess you wouldn't mind if it was just one guy with you?
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WOW!

"Hey girls...its a rapey world out there and remember: IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"

Dressing too provocatively? You be achin' for a rapin'
Said yes, but then said no? Too late.
Everyone's been drinking? Nope. It's on you.
Did he buy you dinner? Yeah, there's no free lunch, its time to pick up the "tip"

COME THE FUCK ON! WAKE UP.

She was 15 years old, and you expect her to take full responsibility for getting plowed by 4 guys while so drunk that's she's vomiting?

We need to drive the lesson into kids minds that this shit is NOT OK.
What I am saying she should be more smart. One girl left already. Wouldn't you as the only girl with 4 durnk guys feels safe staying. I sure wouldn't and would leave in a heart beat. Is really common snese. Not saying she did anything wrong but she isn't smart either for staying and drinking with 4 guys till she pass out. At the age of 15 I am pretty sure she would have develope some common sense.

Is like going to downtown east side waving $100's in your hand at night and expect not to get rob.
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Even though it's the secondary issue, wouldn't there be enough evidence to charge the guys just for distribution of child pornography?
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What I am saying she should be more smart. One girl left already. Wouldn't you as the only girl with 4 durnk guys feels safe staying. I sure wouldn't and would leave in a heart beat. Is really common snese. Not saying she did anything wrong but she isn't smart either for staying and drinking with 4 guys till she pass out. At the age of 15 I am pretty sure she would have develope some common sense.

Is like going to downtown east side waving $100's in your hand at night and expect not to get rob.
So basically raping is like pickpocketing or vandalism.. girls just have to watch for themselves right? Rape could happen at any time.

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So every girl who is alone with drunk guys should expect to be raped?

What the fuck is going on in here? The expectation now is to be raped??? Is this how you think? Do you expect to rape girls when you're drunk?
So you as a 15years old would feel 100% safe getting drunk with 4 guys even though one of the girl alrready left? Wouldn't you feel a bit uneasy and wanted to leave as well or at least not drink till you pass out?
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HI! SHE WAS FUCKING DRUNK.

Do drunk people...teenagers at that make the best decisions? NO!

Does that let the guys off the hook? ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY NOT.

They were aware enough to get it up, fuck her and be nice about it and share-oh! and take photos. She was drunk enough to get raped.

Funny thing about informed consent...if you are in a grey area as to whether this is going to come back at you the next day...maybe you should sit this orgy out.
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I think this is a sad story but the girl have to be responsibility as well. As soon as the other girl leaves (4 guys 2 girls at frist) She should be smarter at that point and leave as well.

What was she expecting her alone with 4guys who have too much to drink, does she expect them to play cards? People have to learn to protect themselives in this world.
Woah.

What you just spewed here shows that the intellectual level on which you operate on is not unlike a fucking rock.

You need to go back and read what you just wrote. The saddest thing about this story is it produces attitudes like yours. How about every guy needs to be responsible? A female (and in some cases, a male) should expect that the company she keeps are not going to turn around and rape her. Why does she need to be the "smarter" one? Are you saying that some dudes have no alternative than to lay the pipe into an incoherent drunk chick?

What does she expect? Like every human being on the planet, she expects to be respected. Is that really too much to ask? Think about what you are saying about your gender...that is the opportunity knocks, you'll fuck anything that is vulnerable. You should put that on a shirt so your friends will know what to expect when they are drinking in your presence.
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Woah.

What you just spewed here shows that the intellectual level on which you operate on is not unlike a fucking rock.

You need to go back and read what you just wrote. The saddest thing about this story is it produces attitudes like yours. How about every guy needs to be responsible? A female (and in some cases, a male) should expect that the company she keeps are not going to turn around and rape her. Why does she need to be the "smarter" one? Are you saying that some dudes have no alternative than to lay the pipe into an incoherent drunk chick?

What does she expect? Like every human being on the planet, she expects to be respected. Is that really too much to ask? Think about what you are saying about your gender...that is the opportunity knocks, you'll fuck anything that is vulnerable. You should put that on a shirt so your friends will know what to expect when they are drinking in your presence.
Right and the girl did nothing wrong at all. I am sorry but in today's society people have to look out for themselves. Was she piss drunk in the beginning? Certinally not. Should she drink to the point where she is pass out not knowing what will happen when she is the only femaile there? Nope. Was this her fault? No. Do we know the whole story. Nope. Maybe when she tispy she mention she wanted a gangbang. Maybe she hinted she wanted to have sex. Are you 100% sure she did not want to have sex? or hinted she wants to have sex. No one knows expect the girl and the 4 guys there. Maybe she does want to have sex till someone posted a picture online and regert it.

Remember about 1 or 2 ago this girl was at a party in Langely that cried wolf saying she have rape? I remember she was willingly having sex with the guys there and one of the guy even call a taxi to take her home. As soon as her sex pics show up online she call rape, even though she agree to it.
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Right and the girl did nothing wrong at all. I am sorry but in today's society people have to look out for themselves. Was she piss drunk in the beginning? Certinally not. Should she drink to the point where she is pass out not knowing what will happen when she is the only femaile there? Nope. Was this her fault? No. Do we know the whole story. Nope. Maybe when she tispy she mention she wanted a gangbang. Maybe she hinted she wanted to have sex. Are you 100% sure she did not want to have sex? or hinted she wants to have sex. No one knows expect the girl and the 4 guys there. Maybe she does want to have sex till someone posted a picture online and regert it.

Remember about 1 or 2 ago this girl was at a party in Langely that cried wolf saying she have rape? I remember she was willingly having sex with the guys there and one of the guy even call a taxi to take her home. As soon as her sex pics show up online she call rape, even though she agree to it.
So...what you are saying here is, she was asking for it.

Let's work under the scenario that, as she claimed, she was raped. Or, in all honesty, this happens often: drunk chick....dudes....rape. Under your scenario for a female to avoid being raped, it is her responsibility to:

1. Remain sober at all times.
2. Dress conservatively (although you have yet to mention it, I am sure I right in assuming this is your thought).
3. Travel in packs of 2 or more...everywhere.
4. Never mention sex. Ever. And, certainly NEVER mention sex in front of guys. Even "hinting" about the topic of sex is a gateway to get raped.
5.If she is raped, be thankful that some called a taxi for her to get home.

We can talk about the specifics of this case all you want, but your words indicate that regardless of any case, your thoughts and feelings about rape remain the same.

You need to know, and hear me loud and clear, nobody...under any circumstance EVER, is asking to be raped. Ever.
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The intellectual level of your comments certinally reflect upon your grammar skillzzzZz.

Anyway, sad story. Regardless of what the truth is, who's crying wolf, mother trying to find closure by means of a public outcry - sad, sad story.

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I think this is a sad story but the girl have to be responsibility as well. As soon as the other girl leaves (4 guys 2 girls at frist) She should be smarter at that point and leave as well.

What was she expecting her alone with 4guys who have too much to drink, does she expect them to play cards? People have to learn to protect themselives in this world.
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What I am saying she should be more smart. One girl left already. Wouldn't you as the only girl with 4 durnk guys feels safe staying. I sure wouldn't and would leave in a heart beat. Is really common snese. Not saying she did anything wrong but she isn't smart either for staying and drinking with 4 guys till she pass out. At the age of 15 I am pretty sure she would have develope some common sense.

Is like going to downtown east side waving $100's in your hand at night and expect not to get rob.
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So you as a 15years old would feel 100% safe getting drunk with 4 guys even though one of the girl alrready left? Wouldn't you feel a bit uneasy and wanted to leave as well or at least not drink till you pass out?
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Right and the girl did nothing wrong at all. I am sorry but in today's society people have to look out for themselves. Was she piss drunk in the beginning? Certinally not. Should she drink to the point where she is pass out not knowing what will happen when she is the only femaile there? Nope. Was this her fault? No. Do we know the whole story. Nope. Maybe when she tispy she mention she wanted a gangbang. Maybe she hinted she wanted to have sex. Are you 100% sure she did not want to have sex? or hinted she wants to have sex. No one knows expect the girl and the 4 guys there. Maybe she does want to have sex till someone posted a picture online and regert it.

Remember about 1 or 2 ago this girl was at a party in Langely that cried wolf saying she have rape? I remember she was willingly having sex with the guys there and one of the guy even call a taxi to take her home. As soon as her sex pics show up online she call rape, even though she agree to it.
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Right and the girl did nothing wrong at all. I am sorry but in today's society people have to look out for themselves. Was she piss drunk in the beginning? Certinally not. Should she drink to the point where she is pass out not knowing what will happen when she is the only femaile there? Nope. Was this her fault? No. Do we know the whole story. Nope. Maybe when she tispy she mention she wanted a gangbang. Maybe she hinted she wanted to have sex. Are you 100% sure she did not want to have sex? or hinted she wants to have sex. No one knows expect the girl and the 4 guys there. Maybe she does want to have sex till someone posted a picture online and regert it.
You don't get it, so let me be blunt.

Here's the assumptions we have to make:

A)Level of intoxication
B)Level of consent

The more A she has, the less B she can give. There is photographic proof that she was drunk enough to be vomiting. That to me says she was A enough, she can't provide B.

So I don't give a sweet fuck if she was on all 4's begging for it from 4 guys or 40. She was NOT in a position to provide informed consent.

So you are officially arguing the case for rapists. Congrats!
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im on the fence about this..

im a strong beleiver that if you put yourself in a bad position that bad things will happen.. if you decide to speed there will be a better chance that you get into an accident, no one anticipates it, but bad things happen when you give yourself less control over a situation..
being 15, she shouldnt have been drinking so much that she had no control, or drinking at all, we know alcohol will highten the urges for people to do stupid things, fights, sex, etc.. she could have invited those guys to do those things, then regretted it after word spread....

that being said, those guys should not have taken advantage of the situation they were in, hell even when my gf would drink i would tuck her into bed with a kiss on the cheek, i couldnt sleep with someone if they were not in the same state of mind as me, its hard to say without knowing the facts, and without facts everyone is just making assumptions based on their beliefs


its unfortunate how this all played out, the world is a bad place, enough said

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I think this is a sad story but the girl have to be responsibility as well. As soon as the other girl leaves (4 guys 2 girls at frist) She should be smarter at that point and leave as well.

What was she expecting her alone with 4guys who have too much to drink, does she expect them to play cards? People have to learn to protect themselives in this world.
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What I am saying she should be more smart. One girl left already. Wouldn't you as the only girl with 4 durnk guys feels safe staying. I sure wouldn't and would leave in a heart beat. Is really common snese. Not saying she did anything wrong but she isn't smart either for staying and drinking with 4 guys till she pass out. At the age of 15 I am pretty sure she would have develope some common sense.

Is like going to downtown east side waving $100's in your hand at night and expect not to get rob.
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im on the fence about this..

im a strong beleiver that if you put yourself in a bad position that bad things will happen.. if you decide to speed there will be a better chance that you get into an accident, no one anticipates it, but bad things happen when you give yourself less control over a situation..
being 15, she shouldnt have been drinking so much that she had no control, or drinking at all, we know alcohol will highten the urges for people to do stupid things, fights, sex, etc.. she could have invited those guys to do those things, then regretted it after word spread....

that being said, those guys should not have taken advantage of the situation they were in, hell even when my gf would drink i would tuck her into bed with a kiss on the cheek, i couldnt sleep with someone if they were not in the same state of mind as me, its hard to say without knowing the facts, and without facts everyone is just making assumptions based on their beliefs


its unfortunate how this all played out, the world is a bad place, enough said

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im on the fence about this..

im a strong beleiver that if you put yourself in a bad position that bad things will happen.. if you decide to speed there will be a better chance that you get into an accident, no one anticipates it, but bad things happen when you give yourself less control over a situation..
Nope.

There is no situation that anyone can present where a victim of rape has any responsibility.
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Nope.

There is no situation that anyone can present where a victim of rape has any responsibility.

really... so if she was sober this would have happened? ... cmon

yes this is terrible, but there are always ways to help prevent something bad from happening, and no one has even confirmed rape yet, im aware you are opinionated, but you cant jump to conclusions so fast

im not saying it did or didnt happen, but she was 15, shouldnt have been so drunk that she had no control... of course the guys are at fault, im not saying that, but bad things happen when someone has no control, this is why there is an age limit for those who can purchase alcohol, so young kids that dont know better dont put themselves in situations where bad things can happen
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really... so if she was sober this would have happened? ... cmon

yes this is terrible, but there are always ways to help prevent something bad from happening, and no one has even confirmed rape yet, im aware you are opinionated, but you cant jump to conclusions so fast
Really?

She said "rape"...not kind of rape, not pretend rape, not "that was really not cool so I changed my mind after the sex" rape, but rape.

There is NO scenario where confirmed "rape" presents a situation where the victim takes responsibility for the rape.

PLEASE tell me you guys understand this.

The ONLY question we have here is if a woman changed her mind after providing informed consent, which doesn't apply here, because she was intoxicated.

I REALLY need to know that everyone gets this, and understands this.
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