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really... so if she was sober this would have happened? ... cmon
yes this is terrible, but there are always ways to help prevent something bad from happening, and no one has even confirmed rape yet, im aware you are opinionated, but you cant jump to conclusions so fast
im not saying it did or didnt happen, but she was 15, shouldnt have been so drunk that she had no control... of course the guys are at fault, im not saying that, but bad things happen when someone has no control, this is why there is an age limit for those who can purchase alcohol, so young kids that dont know better dont put themselves in situations where bad things can happen
You need to understand that I am not necessarily talking about this specific situation.
Also, I wasn't aware that only drunk chicks are raped. Using the numbers in this care 4:1. Yeah...if they wanted to rape her....they would.
And yes, I am opinionated. As is everyone else who posts on RS threads. Isn't that the point of these forums?
really... so if she was sober this would have happened? ... cmon
yes this is terrible, but there are always ways to help prevent something bad from happening, and no one has even confirmed rape yet, im aware you are opinionated, but you cant jump to conclusions so fast
im not saying it did or didnt happen, but she was 15, shouldnt have been so drunk that she had no control... of course the guys are at fault, im not saying that, but bad things happen when someone has no control, this is why there is an age limit for those who can purchase alcohol, so young kids that dont know better dont put themselves in situations where bad things can happen
next time i see you at the bar imma beat the shit outta you.
sorry cant be helped, im drunk and outta control you put yourself in a bad place
And I'm going to tell you all now...if you are in a questionable scenario, as a guy where you think she's a little too drunk, or might change her mind or any other questionable scenario where the next day, you think you had great sex and she might think she was raped.
WALK THE FUCK AWAY.
You are not your dick. You can be better than a walking, talking hormone looking to fuck anything that moves. Have some respect, if not for them, then at least for yourself.
You need to understand that I am not necessarily talking about this specific situation.
Also, I wasn't aware that only drunk chicks are raped. Using the numbers in this care 4:1. Yeah...if they wanted to rape her....they would.
And yes, I am opinionated. As is everyone else who posts on RS threads. Isn't that the point of these forums?
i didnt say rape didnt happen, or rape was good, or every girl better wear a chastity belt so evil men cant hurt them... fml, but in this case she did play a roll, a roll that put her in a bad situation, and that bad situation was taken advantage of by bad people...
and of course everyone shares an opinion, but some people are "always right" and "everyone is wrong"
And I'm going to tell you all now...if you are in a questionable scenario, as a guy where you think she's a little too drunk, or might change her mind or any other questionable scenario where the next day, you think you had great sex and she might think she was raped.
WALK THE FUCK AWAY.
You are not your dick. You can be better than a walking, talking hormone looking to fuck anything that moves. Have some respect, if not for them, then at least for yourself.
as I would, but like i posted, people suck, there is plenty of bad people that do bad things, so there are always positions where we are more vulnerable, im not sure where any of you guys read that i said it was all her fault, she put herself in a bad position that all
What he said directly correlates to what you said.
no, you are an idiot, if i walked up wasted and i couldnt control my mouth and i was mouthing people off, then yes, i have then put myself in a position where something bad can happen to me, and chances of something bad happening to me are much higher.. that would make more sense, and in that case, i would partially be at fault, even if i was assaulted, if i had decided to keep more control of myself, i would have walked out of that bar, before anything could have happened
i didnt say rape didnt happen, or rape was good, or every girl better wear a chastity belt so evil men cant hurt them... fml, but in this case she did play a roll, a roll that put her in a bad situation, and that bad situation was taken advantage of by bad people...
and of course everyone shares an opinion, but some people are "always right" and "everyone is wrong"
Yeah man....her "roll" was being the victim of a rape.
And, a lil info about dino: There have been situations IRL and on RS where I have come across as possibly being over-opinionated, I admit it. Everyone has a character flaw or two that they should work on and I am certainly not immune to it. However, there are some very strong opinions in life that I hold...and this, my friend, is one of them. It is unfortunate to say, but I think your opinion is wrong and mine is right. Don't take it personally...I don't know you and I do not judge you. I am sure you are a great guy and have some hundreds of great qualities, but I whole-heartily think your opinion is wrong.
im a strong beleiver that if you put yourself in a bad position that bad things will happen.. if you decide to speed there will be a better chance that you get into an accident, no one anticipates it, but bad things happen when you give yourself less control over a situation..
being 15, she shouldnt have been drinking so much that she had no control, or drinking at all, we know alcohol will highten the urges for people to do stupid things, fights, sex, etc.. she could have invited those guys to do those things, then regretted it after word spread....
that being said, those guys should not have taken advantage of the situation they were in, hell even when my gf would drink i would tuck her into bed with a kiss on the cheek, i couldnt sleep with someone if they were not in the same state of mind as me, its hard to say without knowing the facts, and without facts everyone is just making assumptions based on their beliefs
its unfortunate how this all played out, the world is a bad place, enough said
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I agree with you about the control part. To be fair, I would say there were wrongs done on both the girl's and the boys' parts. In addition, without the truth from the situation, it's all allegations until the boys confess - which may not ever happen.
Sex is everywhere - TV, movie, ads, porn, etc. I have seen so many variations of this line in movies, "you just have to get her drunk and then it's smooth sailing/you're good/bow chika wow wow." <--- Now, that's gotta do something to the average teenage boy's mind, and it's fucked up. Therefore, the guys could have been influenced not only by their desire to fuck, but by the warped aforementioned stigma.
I feel bad for the girl, but I would have hoped she would have been smarter about the situation. Once again, we don't know how close these 6 people were to each other. However, if there were 4 guys 2 girls and I was one of the girls, I would have been extremely cautious about the situation.
Despite whatever possible views one could have on this situation, the girl still committed suicide. But for what reason? She was bullied to the point where she felt her life was worthless.
Why was she bullied? Think about it this way. If the sex with 4 guys was consensual, I don't think she would give two fucks if pictures were sent around. She would continue to sleep around with more and more guys. The fact that she killed herself shows me that this was not a positive experience. With that in mind, my opinion leans strongly towards this situation being rape.
Someone posted about suggesting girls travel in packs - yes, definitely especially when it's dark. Most guys these days out on the street at night are scum when combined with alcohol. Even without alcohol, a lot of them are still scum, just more inhibition.
The four guys shouldn't be let off easily since that just condones more of this behaviour. It's pathetic to see such ape-like behaviour since we should be a more intellectual species. Sadly, this is everywhere, even in the safest neighbourhoods of west-side Vancouver (I bullshit you not).
as I would, but like i posted, people suck, there is plenty of bad people that do bad things, so there are always positions where we are more vulnerable, im not sure where any of you guys read that i said it was all her fault, she put herself in a bad position that all
But dude...what we're trying to say is if you put that blame on her, it takes it away from the puny little fucks that took advantage!
This is where I say, I NEED you guys to understand this.
I can say that about ANY situation. Yeah, a girl that goes walking alone in a park late at night is taking a higher risk of danger. I grant you that.
BUT, if she gets mugged, or raped or murdered, we DON'T say, "well she had it coming to her" we blame the bad guys!
But dude...what we're trying to say is if you put that blame on her, it takes it away from the puny little fucks that took advantage!
This is where I say, I NEED you guys to understand this.
I can say that about ANY situation. Yeah, a girl that goes walking alone in a park late at night is taking a higher risk of danger. I grant you that.
BUT, if she gets mugged, or raped or murdered, we DON'T say, "well she had it coming to her" we blame the bad guys!
but here is the thing! i agree with you! she didnt have rape coming to her, no girl should, no one should get murdered, bad things should never happen in life, all im saying is that she being as young as she is was already doing things a parent would be angry about, and for good reason.
PEOPLE WHO RAPE SHOULD HAVE THEIR DICKS CHOPPED, i dont agree with it or anything, im just saying in this case, there were things that could have prevented it.
i wouldnt want my daughter out drinking at such a young age, or surrounding herself with boys and stuff for this exact reason, cuz some people are bad and do bad things. not that she should expect being raped, but because she put herself in a position with little control.
i think you guys are living in a dream world if you think teenage boys in a drunk situation with a girl wont gravitate to sexual activities 9/10 times.
the 1/10 times that they dont, is because they're acting out of fear, but it is still in their mind. they still want to do it.
you cannot blame kids (especially male, teenagers), for billions of years of programming.
i would be willing to go all in every single time, that in the future (and the past), that men will always take the risk of rape over walking away. every single time.
and i bet i'd come out a billionaire.
no matter how much teaching, or even if you beat the kids. the side of the male that seeks sexual gratification, will always over power anything else.
north americans, especially americans, are so sex deprived and sex starved, that even in prison, they're willing to fuck other MEN, when both parties are straight, to satisfy that lust that's programmed into the CORE of why we exist.
i guarantee you, you take that away, and we'll go on murderous rampages.
im not saying it's OKAY... but im just saying it's going to happen no matter what. no matter what education or punishments you have.
guys will fuck. and nothing will stop them from doing it. they'll kill if they have to.
scorpions gonna sting, sharks gonna eat, men gonna fuck.
you can't stop it.
if i were 15, and there was a girl drunk, and we're all drunk and she seems to be open to getting it on. my mind would be blinded. i wouldnt care about anything except getting my share of her. cop a feel, stick the tip in, whatever. anything. my mind would ignore all consequences, i would do what i was programmed to do.
i would have sex, or at the very least cheer my buddy on (what male doesn't cheer his buddy on for ... getting it on?) ... even if it means punishment or death.
males exist for only 1 reason. to fuck. you can't take that away from us. you can implement rules and enforce rules. but they forget what we're 2nd best at. fucking shit up. war.
we will start wars, and kill countless, to fuck.
all around you, you see technological advances. roads to get places faster, buildings to utilize space. computers to compute.
all those things were invented, for power, so we could fuck.
yeah it's "rape". perhaps it went from legit sex, to over excited teens, to taking pics and doing drunk things, which turned into "rape".
but what do you expect lol.
you take a meal away from a lion half way done, they're gonna bite you.
we're animals.
offtopic but, here is a diagram of what men do. and if you think we're gonna do any different... HAHA yeah fuckin right.
we fuck. if we can't fuck, we'll kill. and rape.
Spoiler!
the boys might get convicted of some crime, but that's not my point. you can give them any punishment.
it will not change the future. other men will fuck. you can't stop it.
it's also why prostitution exists, and is the oldest profession, where men and women swap what they want most in life. sex for security, security for sex.
sex is like drugs. you can't take it away. you can't control it. if u tell ppl not to do it a certain way, they're just gonna become more creative and become more deceptive.
men are sex/war incarnate. all men are. everything you do leads to one of those two. achieving it is different. the better you are at your job, the further you go into one of those two.
Last edited by Ulic Qel-Droma; 04-10-2013 at 12:58 PM.
wow. must suck to have no self-control and no moral or ethical compass. i fear for those around you.
you are speaking on behalf of the entire human race.
any self control you see on this planet is artificial, just a fad. all moral and ethical compasses are illusionary. ideals.
at the most basic level, we are still animals. our existence depend on these core principles. you are a fool and totally ignorant to how humans work to believe one would give those up for some stupid morals and ethics. especially 15 year olds. drunk 15 year olds. with pussy dangling IN FRONT of them.
if you aren't raping people around you, you're raping people from other countries in the form of war. pick one or the other. there's no in between. anything in between is supporting one or the other.
self control huh?
a fine example is yourself. you know when you should keep your mouth shut and keep your opinions to yourself. but you don't do it regardless.
it must suck to have no self control huh.
you mistaken people that are morally straight for something else. they are morally straight because they act on fear. not righteousness. FEAR controls their actions. they are fearful of the consequences. not the actions they are about to partake in.
people that have no "morals" are people with no fear.
So basically raping is like pickpocketing or vandalism.. girls just have to watch for themselves right? Rape could happen at any time.
I don't agree with what he's saying but the way you put it makes perfect sense. Women DO have to watch out for themselves. I'm not saying it's right to be expected to get raped when you are alone with 4 other drunk male friends....but you need to put it into context. At the age of 15 your male friends probably aren't thinking with their head and instead of their dick when they are intoxicated. They are at their testosterone spiking prime.
Yeah, a girl that goes walking alone in a park late at night is taking a higher risk of danger. I grant you that.
BUT, if she gets mugged, or raped or murdered, we DON'T say, "well she had it coming to her" we blame the bad guys!
Actually, I think we would say that.. If someone was willingly out walking late at night in a sketchy part of town, they never asked to be mugged, they didn't deserve to be mugged, but they certainly put themselves at a higher risk, possibly even to the point of, 'they had it coming'.
The other assumption that you and dino seem to be operating from is that people are mostly good. The point Ulic raises is.. why would you assume that?
If a teenage boy can get away with raping a drunk girl, who are you to say that he can't? I understand that sounds harsh, but really, what is stopping him?
Are you going to tell him 'do as to others as you would have them do unto you'? He probably doesn't believe in that.
Are you going to come from the attitude of human rights? Where are you getting those rights from?
There are just too many other philosophical questions that would stumble your position.
Our current culture is hardly based on imparting good morals... so how can you expect that from a drunk teenage boy with a half naked girl in front of him?
And don't brand me as a rapist supporter, we all know that snails and I would never support a rapist, and that they probably deserve capital punishment (but lets not open that can of worms). However, with the type of naturalistic, relativistic, possibly nihilistic philosophy common in post-modernity, I'm hardly surprised when something like this happens.
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you are speaking on behalf of the entire human race.
any self control you see on this planet is artificial, just a fad. all moral and ethical compasses are illusionary. ideals.
at the most basic level, we are still animals. our existence depend on these core principles. you are a fool and totally ignorant to how humans work to believe one would give those up for some stupid morals and ethics. especially 15 year olds. drunk 15 year olds. with pussy dangling IN FRONT of them.
if you aren't raping people around you, you're raping people from other countries in the form of war. pick one or the other. there's no in between. anything in between is supporting one or the other.
self control huh?
a fine example is yourself. you know when you should keep your mouth shut and keep your opinions to yourself. but you don't do it regardless.
it must suck to have no self control huh.
you mistaken people that are morally straight for something else. they are morally straight because they act on fear. not righteousness. FEAR controls their actions. they are fearful of the consequences. not the actions they are about to partake in.
people that have no "morals" are people with no fear.
And, it appears that you are speaking for the entire male gender.
The incoherent dribble that you puke out here on a daily basis is flaccid. Your analysis of every situation results in the same argument every time and it is tiring. You appear to lack the ability to raise your argument to a more complex level and engage in an intelligent debate because you use your 'fear' theory in all situations. It is the most basic approach. Of course fear of consequences controls everyone actions. Fear is one of the most fundamental emotional dictators of behaviour. This shit ain't new. You can't keep responding to these threads with the exact same pseudo-philosophical rhetoric and expect someone to "keep" their "mouth shut".
I think most of the western worlds degenerate tendencies steams from "monkey see, monkey do" influences originating from a fucked up "free speech" media.
It probably does take a "village" to raise a proper kid... but with both parents working most of the time, television becomes the number one parents for most of us growing up... now couple all that with easily accessible drugs and alcohol, a forcible rape happens every 5 minutes in the states, every 17m in Canada.
And, it appears that you are speaking for the entire male gender.
The incoherent dribble that you puke out here on a daily basis is flaccid. Your analysis of every situation results in the same argument every time and it is tiring. You appear to lack the ability to raise your argument to a more complex level and engage in an intelligent debate because you use your 'fear' theory in all situations. It is the most basic approach. Of course fear of consequences controls everyone actions. Fear is one of the most fundamental emotional dictators of behaviour. This shit ain't new. You can't keep responding to these threads with the exact same pseudo-philosophical rhetoric and expect someone to "keep" their "mouth shut".
Self-control is not artificial, it is biological.
Do you lock your house doors?
No one deserves to get robbed, or beaten-up/murdered in their house. Yet I don't know anyone that doesn't take the necessary precautions.
Do you lock your car doors?
Do you know any businesses that don't lock up or have a security system?
Is it right that we have to watch for people who might do bad things to us? Hell no, but you'd be foolish as fuck to think otherwise.
You can have fun without getting pissed drunk with a bunch of guys you know.
Oh, but she's just a teenager and teenagers make bad choices right? That's fine.
But if a MALE teenager gets drunk, misreads a drunk female teenager's cues, and engages in a sexual act, it's rape.
Am I saying rape is ok?
Fuck no.
But we, as a society, shouldn't just jump onto one side all the time.
No one here knows the facts.
-were the boys drunk?
-how drunk was the girl? because there have been hundreds of times where I or friends have puked without being past the point of drunkness where we couldn't make decisions. eating too much, moving around too much, etc can do that to you when you're drinking.
How do you know it was rape, and not a girl telling her mom it was rape to cover-up her bad decision?
The way our culture is, to be known as "sexually loose" could be social suicide, so why not say rape, since rape claims carry no consequences.
EDITOR’S NOTE: This is a post from the blog of Glen Canning, Rehtaeh Parsons’s father, in response to media inquiries about his daughter’s death. Canning posted this on April 10.
My daughter was three years old when we went to watch Babe: Pig in the City. There’s a part in the movie when Babe knocks over a goldfish bowl and the fish falls onto the floor and starts flopping around. When this happened Rae suddenly stood up on her chair in the movie theatre and started screaming for someone to help the fish. She cried for it as I tried to reassure her Babe would help (thank God he did) and that the fish would be alright.
That was the nature of my daughter Rehtaeh. She was like that her whole life. I couldn’t go for a walk in Halifax with her without her asking me for change to give to someone in need. She was always looking out for people or animals that needed help. She called Animal Control Services on our neighbors because they left their dog outside too long. Her room and her life was always full of little creatures.
Sometimes her heart was too big, sometimes it scared me.
They say parents need to teach their children. Instead, it was Rehtaeh who was my teacher. My precious gift. She was the absolute best part of my life.
There’s a wooden box in my house that holds all the memories I have of my beautiful little girl. The outfit she wore home from the hospital, a hand print in clay, art, school cards and drawings, mementoes of her life. Even a newspaper dated December 9th, 1995, the day she came into this world.
I tried to keep it all for her, to have someday when she grew up and had her own family. That day will never come.
Rehtaeh died April 7th at 11:15 PM. She was 17 years old.
She died struggling to live, much as she spent the last 18 months. She hung on right to the very end, when the nurses were telling us if she couldn’t be declared brain dead soon they couldn’t use her as an organ donor. We couldn’t wait any longer. She couldn’t live any longer. And right at the last moment there was a change in her blood pressure as the last part of her brain gave away. She knew she had to leave. It was time to let go and find peace.
It was so like her to hang on right up until the very last second. To give us all a chance to hold her hand, wipe her tears away, and kiss her beautiful face for the last time.
I tried my best to save my daughter’s life. I believe that in my heart.
I asked her repeatedly what I could do, was I doing enough, what did she want from me? She said she just wanted me to be her dad. To make her laugh. To do everything possible to keep a part of her life normal. She said it helped more than I could ever know.
I prayed for the best while I prepared her for the worst. We went to counseling together. Sometimes I was the drive, sometimes the father, sometimes the counselor.
The worst nightmare of my life has just begun. I loved my beautiful baby with all my heart. She meant everything to me. I felt her heart beating in my soul from the moment she was born until the moment she died. We were a team. We were best pals. We often sat on my couch and laughed until we could hardly speak. When we weren’t together she would call me or text me every single day, just to say hi, to say she loved me. The life I had with my daughter was a rare thing. It was wonderful, it consumed me. I was defined by it. It made my life rich and beautiful.
She was amazing.
Yesterday I looked at another wooden box. It will hold her ashes. I hate it.
I had to write something about this. I don’t want her life to defined by a Google search about suicide or death or rape. I want it to be about the giving heart she had. Her smile. Her love of life and the beautiful way in which she lived it.
I found out this afternoon my daughter saved the life of a young woman with her heart. How fitting.
She also gave someone a new liver, a kidney, a new breath, and a new chance to love. She saved the lives of four people with her final gift of life. She was that wonderful.
Someone out there is going to look at the world with my daughter’s eyes. The most beautiful eyes I have ever seen.
To the Justice Minister of Nova Scotia
Rehtaeh Parsons thought the worst outcome for her case would be no charges against the men who raped her but we all know better. The worst thing that could happen would be charges. That they would be found guilty, and that Rehtaeh would sit on a court bench and listen in utter disbelief as they were given parole, or a suspended sentence, or community service. All for completely destroying her life while they laughed.
Why is it they didn’t just think they would get away with it; they knew they would get away with it. They took photos of it. They posted it on their Facebook walls. They emailed it to God knows who. They shared it with the world as if it was a funny animation.
How is it possible for someone to leave a digital trail like that yet the RCMP don’t have evidence of a crime? What were they looking for if photos and bragging weren’t enough?
Why was this treated like a minor incident of bullying rather than a rape? Isn’t the production and distribution of child porn a crime in this country? Numerous people were emailed that photo. The police have that information (or at least they told us they did). When someone claims they were raped is it normal to wait months before talking to the accused?
You have the opportunity here to do something good and lets face it; the court system in Nova Scotia was just going to rape her all over again with indifference to her suffering and the damage this did to her.
My daughter wasn’t bullied to death, she was disappointed to death. Disappointed in people she thought she could trust, her school, and the police.
She was my daughter, but she was your daughter too.
For the love of God do something.
***I’ve been contacted from media outlets from all over the world and as a past member of the media I understand why you all want to speak with me. You have all been very courteous, professional, and respectful. Please know, however, this is the only statement I am able to make. I’m too devastated.***
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it's very sad you can really feel his pain from that
I was wondering why I hadn't heard from the father I guess the man sitting next to the mother in one of the interviews wasn't her father as he seemed indifferent
edit: yep, not the same guy, i assume the parents are split up then?
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