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Old 05-09-2013, 09:14 PM   #151
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You sound like you know what you're talking about, but you don't. I do groundspeed checks, on route KTAS speed checks and let me tell you... The margin of error for something "one KM apart'' to gauge speed is very high. It's not "dead simple" like you say. Hard enough during the day, let alone at night and you need to know your set heading point. Start meandering from that point a bit and swerving around and it all goes out the window and impossible to do accurately. Also realize the cars are going around corners, covering more distance than a heli is flying in a straight line. The only things that exist for this are the white lines you see painted on the road. Those can gauge a speed within a certain margin of error. Try seeing one of those from 1500' up in the sky at night. Oh, wait... you can't.

Bottom line, they have no proof how fast these cars are going and saying the "whirlybird" is going 142kms DOES NOT IN ANY WAY mean the cars were going that fast. He could have been flying into a headwind and the air passing over the pitot tube and static port would be much higher, indicating a higher airspeed than actual. And because of this is why you do true airspeed and groundspeed checks.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:00 AM   #152
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The twist and turns on that highway is highly dangerous.

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Old 05-10-2013, 12:35 AM   #154
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You lost your case because you failed to mount a suitable defence. An officer at the side of the road could be trained to visually estimate your speed. That does not mean he can still obtain a conviction if he is trying to estimate your speed from a moving chopper at altitude. That's not part of the training.
What i meant is, visual estimation on the ground. i doubt the helicopter thing will stand in court. ground units didnt get any speed readings and that's what they convict by usually. in my case, the guy had been doing it for 15 years and judge sided with him instantly, i was trying to prove that at the speed i was travelling, according to the officer, i wouldnt be able to stop would have hit him.
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What i meant is, visual estimation on the ground. i doubt the helicopter thing will stand in court.
It does all the time. Why wouldn't it now?
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Also, some strong logic here. Using the video from the chopper, they can estimate from different locations how long it took a car to travel from one distance to another and then measure the distance. Grade 11 physics brahs.
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Also, some strong logic here. Using the video from the chopper, they can estimate from different locations how long it took a car to travel from one distance to another and then measure the distance. Grade 11 physics brahs.
Well let's see, from the video: pack is passing the Horseshoe Bay Drive exit at 23:49:30. They come up to the merge again at 23:51:10 or so - that's a minute and 40 seconds.

Looking at GMaps:



That's 3.5km covered in 1:40.

Plug that into a suitable calculator, like this one and we get 126km/h. Keeping in mind that they come around that corner and smack into a wall of cop cars, so they're all slowing down at the end of the segment... yeah, not unbelievable that they were going faster when the chase started. And it's still well more than 40k over the limit.

But you know, according to The Mighty Marco, it's IMPOSSIBLE to visually estimate speed from the air.

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It does all the time. Why wouldn't it now?
This. I don't understand where all these people com in and think suddenly they know more about police helicopters and laws than police helicopter pilots and cops. How can someone honestly believe they don't have the ability to prosecute someone based on these methods. You think they just fucking send the chopper up for fun? Just because the news is saying that "they know they were going fast because the chopper went fast" doesn't mean they don't have some other way of determining it. I mean I'm sure the helicopters role in this wasn't to "pace" the cars.
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Well let's see, from the video: pack is passing the Horseshoe Bay Drive exit at 23:49:30. They come up to the merge again at 23:51:10 or so - that's a minute and 40 seconds.

Looking at GMaps:



That's 3.5km covered in 1:40.

Plug that into a suitable calculator, like this one and we get 126km/h. Keeping in mind that they come around that corner and smack into a wall of cop cars, so they're all slowing down at the end of the segment... yeah, not unbelievable that they were going faster when the chase started. And it's still well more than 40k over the limit.

But you know, according to The Mighty Marco, it's IMPOSSIBLE to visually estimate speed from the air.

I'll just leave this here...
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