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Old 02-24-2014, 06:01 PM   #10876
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AV definitely caused a lot of problems with young talent, not to mention playing favourites all the damn time. Our only hope right now is that young kids can contribute before the current core group deteriorates to the point where they are no longer effective. The next 2-3 years are going to be tough to watch. If anyone thinks a single star player is going to dramatically change our current outlook.... keep dreaming.
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We don't trade our defense for offense, we are fucked!

Darthchilli, your a pos with no point of view and no opinion of anything about. Probably suck team 1040 dick if you could, Fuck face! Do you even play ice hockey? Fuck you and everything you do!
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We don't trade our defense for offense, we are fucked!

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I personally feel our defense is solid, if not one of the best in the league, when we're healthy. It can reasonably sustain 2-3 injuries and be fine. They're also locked up with term at good cap hits and are in their prime years. I see no reason to make major alterations to our defensive core, but we could afford to trade one of them realistically.

Our forwards are where we need changes and I've been saying it since the end of '11-'12. After the Sedins, Kesler, and Burrows, there's no supplemental scoring. And, of course, the Sedins and Burrows haven't contributed anything since December, which has killed us.

Trading one of our defenseman for an upgrade up front makes sense in some regards, but the conundrum is finding someone who actually plays well with Kesler ... and is under 30, has a good cap hit, and has term. It's borderline impossible to do. We've been trying for years to get someone to play with Kesler. Raymond and Samuelsson worked for a while before Raymond's back was broken and Samuelsson succumbed to age and injuries. He was also good with Sundin, but he only stuck around for half a season before retiring.

As much as I hate the thought of trading Kesler away, it makes some sense to trade Kesler and one of our top dmen for a younger duo who has known chemistry to fill our 2nd line and take over for the Sedins in a few years. It saves us from making a major move which may not work out the way we hope because that guy doesn't gel with Kesler.

There have been rumours in the past about Boston looking to trade David Krejci and Milan Lucic. They've been playing very well in Boston together for a few years now and are one of the top lines in the league (alongside Iginla). I would be very happy if we could swing Kesler and Edler for that duo. Both in their mid-20s, locked up with term, and both proven playoff performers. Their GM also isn't afraid of making a bold move like that, either.
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Its better to have a debate rather than hoping praying that our team will get it together this year.

We use to have quick breakout, speedy transition, and passes always tape to tape. We should always be a puck possession team.
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Hoping for a rebuild/retool. Would also not mind Gillis getting canned.

Players to trade:

Kesler
Bieksa
Edler

I would also list Burrows but no one's touching that fat contract.
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Hoping for a rebuild/retool. Would also not mind Gillis getting canned.

Players to trade:

Kesler
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Edler

I would also list Burrows but no one's touching that fat contract.
I want Brian Burke to be our Gm, He's got no BS meter.
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No way in hell Boston does Krejci and Lucic for Kesler and Edler

Krejci was their diesel engine for their two cup runs, their #1 undisputed center and they would get stuck with finding wingers with Kesler. They also wouldn't jeopardize the chemistry they have with their first line atm either.
Lucic only will be traded if there's a massive overpayment, and when the rest of the NHL realizes he is possibly up for grabs there might be a bidding war.

Where are these rumors of getting rid of Lucic coming from? I'm pretty sure if there were any it would be before he signed that fat contract; now hes secured. I would do it in a heart beat but it would be a simple "no" on the other side or they would ask to throw some other picks in. It's not like they're playing bad right now either, so it wouldn't make sense for them to have a massive shakeup like that. The whole league knows we're looking for trades so we lose some leverage there too
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I don't recall very many players on the Canucks who has/had amazing passing abilities. Sure, there may be a select few, but you make it sound like they all do.

You seem to be describing Detroit from a few years ago.
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No way in hell Boston does Krejci and Lucic for Kesler and Edler

Krejci was their diesel engine for their two cup runs, their #1 undisputed center and they would get stuck with finding wingers with Kesler. They also wouldn't jeopardize the chemistry they have with their first line atm either.
Lucic only will be traded if there's a massive overpayment, and when the rest of the NHL realizes he is possibly up for grabs there might be a bidding war.

Where are these rumors of getting rid of Lucic coming from? I'm pretty sure if there were any it would be before he signed that fat contract; now hes secured. I would do it in a heart beat but it would be a simple "no" on the other side or they would ask to throw some other picks in. It's not like they're playing bad right now either, so it wouldn't make sense for them to have a massive shakeup like that. The whole league knows we're looking for trades so we lose some leverage there too
They were both in trade rumours around the time Seguin was traded for Eriksson ... Which was like a couple of weeks after their most recent cup run. And they were also in trade rumours after their 2011 cup, too.
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Alex Edler 5 million + Mike Santorelli .5 milliion for Kyle Turris 3.5 million.

It's good for both teams, Edler plays with a puck moving/ offensive minded defenceman in Erik Karlsson. Elder's offense has diminished since Sami Salo has left. Thet get Santorelli who has alot of potential for having a break out year until he got injured. He's a Ontario boy too.

We get Kyle Turris who is young and can play with the Sedin's or Kesler.
Turris is a natural center so I'm not sure how he would fit in playing the wing with Kesler or the Sedins. IMO we only send Edler to Ottawa if it means we get someone like Lazar/Zbinny back but also based on the nature of their D corps right now they are LOADED with LHD, which means they would ship someone back. This means we probably might not get Zbinny, and we'll end up with two "B" list prospects or a "B" list and a pick which is something we probably won't be satisfied with

but in a real world I think most Canucks fans would take Zbinny + pick for Edler

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Roberto Luongo 5.3million+ David Booth 4.25 million = Florida 1st 2014

A change of teams for Luongo would be good for his career and David Booth needs to find his scoring touch with Florida again. Both Played for Florida. The Pather's Gm doesn't have to give up on future prospects for Luu and Booth. And Luu is locked up until he retires and grooms his backup.

Lack gets a 3 year 3 million deal.

Joacim Eriksson plays back up.

Joe Cannata plays back up.
They give up a potential first overall, lock for pretty much a top five pick for a goalie past his prime with a couple good seasons left in him and damaged goods? That would be absolute robbery for us.

Reinhart/Ekblad/Nylander/Draisaitl/Bennett would all look good in a Nucks uniform but we can wake up from our dream now

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Jason Garrision 4.6 million +Jordon Schroeder + 4th 2014 draft = David Perron 3.82 million

We get Perron a certified top 6 center for Sedin's or Kesler. They get a good prospect C in Schroeder and the complete their defense with Garrison.
We don't ship our D unless we're getting some absolute solid return, and there's no point shipping Garrison if we are shipping off Edler. Also to a division rival who desperately needs D means they would have to overpay.

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Turris is a natural center so I'm not sure how he would fit in playing the wing with Kesler or the Sedins. IMO we only send Edler to Ottawa if it means we get someone like Lazar/Zbinny back but also based on the nature of their D corps right now they are LOADED with LHD, which means they would ship someone back. This means we probably might not get Zbinny, and we'll end up with two "B" list prospects or a "B" list and a pick which is something we probably won't be satisfied with

but in a real world I think most Canucks fans would take Zbinny + pick for Edler



They give up a potential first overall, lock for pretty much a top five pick for a goalie past his prime with a couple good seasons left in him and damaged goods? That would be absolute robbery for us.

Reinhart/Ekblad/Nylander/Draisaitl/Bennett would all look good in a Nucks uniform but we can wake up from our dream now.


We don't ship our D unless we're getting some absolute solid return, and there's no point shipping Garrison if we are shipping off Edler. Also to a division rival who desperately needs D means they would have to overpay.

Yakupov/Eberle or nothxjeff
I don't think that Detroit will deal anyone for Edler.

I won't want Yakupov for a bang of pucks, I bet Yakupov will go play in the KHL when his deal is over.
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Nothing is gonna happen this trade deadline... The group just needs to mesh a little more... I remember this happening with AV then the next season, president's trophy!

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“We’d like to get a player to help [Ryan] Kesler, but you have to give up a lot,” Gillis told Team 1040 radio, per The Province. “If it’s not a rental player or a younger player, you look at your options. We might make hard decisions or none."
I'll lay money on it being the latter. GMMG has no balls, whether that's his nature or Aquaman neutered him is the question.
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