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Old 11-18-2013, 02:45 AM   #201
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You don't believe that, naturally, this must be the case?

I don't need a law to tell me that someone in a position of power, someone who was elected to look after our interests, someone who has a zero tolerance for drugs, gangs and guns should not be allowed to smoke crack and, if he does, get away with it.
And that's the crux of the argument Lomac and Soundy is making isn't it? He does a damn fine job looking after everyone's interest. So what if he sucks looking out for his own interest?
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And that's the crux of the argument Lomac and Soundy is making isn't it? He does a damn fine job looking after everyone's interest. So what if he sucks looking out for his own interest?
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There is a democratic process that gets him in and if the next mayor fails to do a good job, he won't get re-elected, simple.
He was on a T.O. radio station yesterday calling out City Council's actions and challenging them to call an immediate election.

Personally, I think they should - everyone would find out really quick where THE CITIZENS of Toronto stand on the subject... and dollars to donuts, you'd see the highest voter turnout in Canadian history.
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Obviously, none of which are legal PROOF, or he would already be in cuffs. Doug Ford has already claimed that the police chief has a personal vendetta against his brother; if that was the case, don't you think he'd jump at ANY excuse to lock the guy up?

But media bluster is not proof.

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In a business, if the same question gets asked, an under-performing CEO would never get replaced. What is the next guy is worse?
Ah, bad analogy, because the argument is that he's NOT under-performing in his public duties (yes, some disagree with this), DESPITE his personal foibles.

I guarantee you, in business, if that CEO is still brining in the bucks and keeping the shareholders happy, there's a good chance any personal indiscretions will be conveniently overlooked.

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I don't need a law to tell me that someone in a position of power, someone who was elected to look after our interests, someone who has a zero tolerance for drugs, gangs and guns should not be allowed to smoke crack and, if he does, get away with it.
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Rob Ford is a personal hero of mine. A lot of highly intelligent people function very well while recreationally consuming liquor and drugs. Sure, it does destroy some people, but so does McDonald's
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Obviously, none of which are legal PROOF, or he would already be in cuffs. Doug Ford has already claimed that the police chief has a personal vendetta against his brother; if that was the case, don't you think he'd jump at ANY excuse to lock the guy up?

But media bluster is not proof.
Rob Fob Ford admitting to doing crack multiple times including his interview on AC 360 tonight is proof. You think he is a lair?
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ever...you know, read a book? or watched a movie? or listened to a song? or used a scientific theory?

chances are, some if not all of the people who worked on it were under the influence of one, of not several drugs

if you think that you can divorce human existence from mind altering substances, you have a very little understanding of human history or human consciousness as a whole
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ever...you know, read a book? or watched a movie? or listened to a song? or used a scientific theory?

chances are, some if not all of the people who worked on it were under the influence of one, of not several drugs

if you think that you can divorce human existence from mind altering substances, you have a very little understanding of human history or human consciousness as a whole
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Rob Fob Ford admitting to doing crack multiple times including his interview on AC 360 tonight is proof. You think he is a lair?
As previously noted, simply USING crack is not necessarily a crime. Someone else brings the pipe, loads it, lights it, and you simply take a drag... that's not really an offence under the law.

Question: if this can be considered proof of a crime, then why has he not been arrested? Conviction of a crime is the one thing that would allow him to be removed from office, so why hasn't it happened, if there's all this legally-binding proof floating about?

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As previously noted, simply USING crack is not necessarily a crime. Someone else brings the pipe, loads it, lights it, and you simply take a drag... that's not really an offence under the law.

Question: if this can be considered proof of a crime, then why has he not been arrested? Conviction of a crime is the one thing that would allow him to be removed from office, so why hasn't it happened, if there's all this legally-binding proof floating about?

“Have you purchased illegal drugs in the last two years?” asked Coun. Minnan-Wong.

After a long pause, Ford replied, “Yes, I have.”

Rob Ford admits to buying drugs while mayor (with video)
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“Have you purchased illegal drugs in the last two years?” asked Coun. Minnan-Wong.

After a long pause, Ford replied, “Yes, I have.”

Rob Ford admits to buying drugs while mayor (with video)
Ahhh well yea but it's like not illegal to like admit you've bought drugs after the fact. Besides he didn't even have an attorney present when he was questioned by the city council so like it doesn't even count.

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Question: if this can be considered proof of a crime, then why has he not been arrested? Conviction of a crime is the one thing that would allow him to be removed from office, so why hasn't it happened, if there's all this legally-binding proof floating about?
The idea that Mayor Ford admitted to the use of an illegal substance without first speaking to his legal counsel would be absurd.

Just because it cannot be legally proven doesn't mean the crime wasn't committed. You can't really be convicted of possession of a drug after the fact...This hinders the ability of law enforcement to produce a certificate of analysis to provide proof of the controlled substance.

Had he been caught in the act, I see that it would be very likely that he would be charged with possession.

Regardless, this argument is circular. Yes, we get it...some of you think it's okay to use drugs for your own personal and recreational needs and others feel that it's not...the City of Toronto will deal with their own problem but until they do, this will continue to be an international stain on our rather clean image.
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...this will continue to be an international stain on our rather clean image.
Why? Other than comedians and sensationalistic news outlets, why does everyone seem to think the rest of the world even gives a fuck?
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im tired of this blah blah blah, "our" reputation or stain on "our" image GTFO its rob fords reputation + image

this is blown way outta proportion because its media fodder, itd be different if he was embezzling a shitload of money or beating up kids or whatever
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Why? Other than comedians and sensationalistic news outlets, why does everyone seem to think the rest of the world even gives a fuck?
Because I live in a different country and it has come up non-stop over the last week. It's enviable for people to pick up on any sign of weakness. It's the same as we do when we say "...cause America."

Whether it's justified or not, whether you think it matters or not...the fact is, at least one other country has taken this issue by the horns and ran with it. It's completely naive to think only Rob Ford's image or Toronto's image is being affected here just as ignorant as it is for people outside of Canada to pin it as an accurate representation of Canadian politics...
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im tired of this blah blah blah, "our" reputation or stain on "our" image GTFO its rob fords reputation + image

this is blown way outta proportion because its media fodder, itd be different if he was embezzling a shitload of money or beating up kids or whatever

Another is the stigma against drugs. People are always looking for a reason to demonize unpopular things like recreational drug use, promiscuity, driving fast, pretty much anything fun.

People need a bad guy to point at and go "Don't be like him, he's bad!"
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Because I live in a different country and it has come up non-stop over the last week. It's enviable for people to pick up on any sign of weakness. It's the same as we do when we say "...cause America."

Whether it's justified or not, whether you think it matters or not...the fact is, at least one other country has taken this issue by the horns and ran with it. It's completely naive to think only Rob Ford's image or Toronto's image is being affected here just as ignorant as it is for people outside of Canada to pin it as an accurate representation of Canadian politics...
Oh fuck, why stop there then? Think of the horrible blight this is on humanity's image! The fucking dolphins must be laughing their bags off at all of us humans "because Rob Ford". So long, and thanks for all the fish.

And how about the bad image this gives Planet Earth? I imagine it being just like the movie Contact, except instead of the Hitler video, the aliens from Vega send back the clip of Ford's (allegedly) crack-fueled wrestling moves, along with plans to build a bomb and blow ourselves all up because obviously, we can't have this kind of stupidity spreading throughout the galaxy. EVER.

Heaven forbid someone in an alternate universe decides that tourism to our space/time continuum is probably not a good idea because, well, Rob Ford... which is all the more reason for Vega to blow us up, because they rely heavily on cross-dimensional tourism.
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Rob Ford admits to buying drugs while mayor (with video)
Then why hasn't he been arrested and charged?
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Because I live in a different country and it has come up non-stop over the last week. It's enviable for people to pick up on any sign of weakness. It's the same as we do when we say "...cause America."

Whether it's justified or not, whether you think it matters or not...the fact is, at least one other country has taken this issue by the horns and ran with it. It's completely naive to think only Rob Ford's image or Toronto's image is being affected here just as ignorant as it is for people outside of Canada to pin it as an accurate representation of Canadian politics...
lol who fucking cares

im proud as fuck of canada and our government. we have a reasonable, moderate government that takes a pragmatic,academic view of most issues and its reflected in our society and culture. one crack smoker ain't gonna change that.

on the other hand, you have a government that constantly wages pointless wars, spys on its own citizens and continues to erode its own civil liberties while having a joke of a healthcare system.

who cares what other countries think? canada fuck yeah
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