Man stabs pitbull to death - Kits Beach

[westopher]

FUCK. Pitbull on leash. Pug off leash! This is fucking bullshit! Eg-fucking-zactly what I said probably happened. I am fucking livid right now. A dog is dead and also vilified due to an irresponsible owner that isn't even its own.

[bballguy]

Originally Posted by lowside67

I think it's pretty awesome he writes that whole thing and yet doesn't mention once or even take a HINT of responsibility about the fact that HIS DOG had another dog's NECK in his mouth.

I wasn't there and can't say for sure what would have happened, but it seems pretty likely based on the fact that the pug went for emergency surgery that there is a pretty good chance that a little more time could have meant the end for the pug.

How Pandora killing an old man's pug is somehow less of a tragedy than the old man killing Pandora to save his pug doesn't really make sense to me...

Mark

Huh? She said the pug was off-leash in an on-leash area...If true, the old man is completely at-fault, regardless of who bit who....

[westopher]

Originally Posted by lowside67

I think it's pretty awesome he writes that whole thing and yet doesn't mention once or even take a HINT of responsibility about the fact that HIS DOG had another dog's NECK in his mouth.

I wasn't there and can't say for sure what would have happened, but it seems pretty likely based on the fact that the pug went for emergency surgery that there is a pretty good chance that a little more time could have meant the end for the pug.

How Pandora killing an old man's pug is somehow less of a tragedy than the old man killing Pandora to save his pug doesn't really make sense to me...

Mark

Because if someone is walking their dog in a LEASHED AREA IT MEANS KEEP YOUR FUCKING DOG ON A LEASH. Many people adopt dogs with behavioural problems and take every proper precaution to keep other dogs safe and their own dogs safe, then someone with an untrained dog gets in your dogs face. A fight ensues and that person has no way to remove their dog from the situation before it escalates. I don't know if you know much about dogs fighting, but there are a LOT of warning signs before it happens. Any responsible dog owner can see these signs and remove their dog before it escalates, but if you can only remove one dog from the situation that doesn't solve the problem. The tragedy is that a dog was killed by someones gross negligence, when neither dog should have been in the situation to begin with.

[Hondaracer]

Pretty sure neither if my dogs are clamping down on a another's neck regardless of on or off leash

And for me, if a dogs going to wrap it's jaws around anther dogs neck it's a pretty big lol @ letting it be around little kids all the time
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[quasi]

I take it back, if that is indeed the case that the pitbull was leashed and the other dog was not that's kind of fucked up. I've had my dog attacked before well he was leashed other dogs were not, I was bitten getting the dogs off him.

I can't stand people that can't or don't control there animals so if that is really what happened the guy shouldn't have stabbed the dog. I don't care how friendly your dog is or how nice it is put a leash on it and keep it away from me unless I approach it I might just football kick it through some imaginary uprights.

[Gumby]

In light of this new information (pug was off-leash in a on-leash area, pitbull was on-leash):

Damn you media, for spinning this story against pitbulls! Way to conveniently forget the important details!

[GS8]

I don't really want to use up my emotions until it can be verified or the new information on this case will be released.

As it stands, you have a 72 year old man, his pug, a pitbull and a knife.

Pitbull has pug in mouth, Man stabs Pitbull to death.

Since most people on the Internet never read articles thoroughly (only glance), chances are with the keywords above ^ they will instantly draw their own conclusions regardless of the what actually transpired.

Needless to say, one of things that irks me the most are people who assume to know animal behavior but have ZERO credentials.

Every dog needs to be trained. Every adoptable dog needs to be rehabilitated and possibly retrained not just for our safety but for its own safety.

Calling a tiny yet destructive dog's behavior 'cute' is going full retard.

[Mike Oxbig]

im sure everyone of you will stab a pitbull and kill it, if it bit doge.




I bring this to everyones attention as I do not think that as a whole, people have seen what a pitbull can and will do. I caution you, this is very graphic.

Spoiler!

Pitbull Rage


Pitbulls. Weather you think they are the best dogs and you allow them to be next to your children or come close to adults, somewhere, sometime, the pitbull can revert to his basic instincts to kill. You may not have seen what a pit bull can do, but this mini,

is the aftermath of two pitbulls that mauled all three miniature horses of my wifes animal rescue and neighborhood petting zoo. This was seen by the kids in the neighborhood.




Not a pretty sight. The vet that came on this emergency, worked 4 + hours stitching this horse back together again. The mini still died the next day. The wound, loss of blood and trauma was to great for the mini to bear. The mother to this mini was more saddened than I have ever witnessed a horse to be. She did not even want to leave it's side and did not want us to take it to bury it. The mother knew,... she and the father to this horse were also mauled and knew the pain the baby had gone thru. It will be a long road to recovery for the mother and father miniature.
Pitbulls always seem to start off gentle and kind, but then then some switch at some time turns them into killers. You never see the kids or adults that have been mauled, but this should give you some idea of what they themselves may have gone thru.

[mk1freak]

That's why all my dogs get leashed when out even the little ones.

[fliptuner]

If I let my Yorkie run around, free, on an ON LEASH trail and she was mauled by a dog who was on leash cause she came too close, guess what.... I FUCKED UP.

What if the pug ran into the street and got run over, would he blame the car?

[Nlkko]

Damn shame. I think both sides share the blame for this tragedy. The old fart for violating the on-leash bylaw and the pitbull's owner for letting it escalate to the point of no return. Most of the time, you can always predict your dog's mental state by looking its body language. I'm always extra alert of the environment around my dog on or off leash. I believe the onus is on the owner to prevent their dogs from hurting another dogs or human regardless if the other dogs/humans were a total fucked up or not.

[vitaminG]

Originally Posted by 4x4runner

a dog is like a baby, how could a baby be born and first thing on its mind is "I m gonna grow up to hunt, kill, herd"

unless someone could give me scientific proof that a Dog can be bred into killing and all that I dont believe it.

Lol do you even know how dogs fucking work??

You must be that stereotypical pitbull owner who knows nothing about dogs or training.
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[westopher]

Originally Posted by Big Earl

im sure everyone of you will stab a pitbull and kill it, if it bit doge.




I bring this to everyones attention as I do not think that as a whole, people have seen what a pitbull can and will do. I caution you, this is very graphic.

Spoiler!

Show me a fucking dog breed over 60 lbs that couldn't do that. Guess what, other breeds of dog have mauled other animals. I saw a husky take down a deer. It doesn't mean that all huskys are inherently dangerous.

[fliptuner]

Originally Posted by Nlkko

Damn shame. I think both sides share the blame for this tragedy. The old fart for violating the on-leash bylaw and the pitbull's owner for letting it escalate to the point of no return. Most of the time, you can always predict your dog's mental state by looking its body language. I'm always extra alert of the environment around my dog on or off leash. I believe the onus is on the owner to prevent their dogs from hurting another dogs or human regardless if the other dogs/humans were a total fucked up or not.

If the pug was running amuck, in front of the pit, I wouldn't blame the owner.

[snails]

im going to jump on the "breed' bandwagon.. kinda but not really

i dont wanna say i dont like pit bulls or w/e but i just dont like big dogs in general, i dont care how well they are trained.. if that training runs short and instinct takes over then big dogs can be very dangerous and i value my face..

same goes for a little dog being a dick or even a cat.. but in that case i know my face is still fine and all i have to worry about is a few scratches.

but as goes for the topic, if that pitty was as well trained as he should have been then even that little rat of a dog running around should have been safe. if its that easily provoked whats to say that a small child couldn't provoke it either...


i dont wanna hear "little dog provoked him" because if this were a case of just a smaller guy provoking a bigger guy, bigger guy snapping and trying to kill the small guy that would still be an attempted murder case.. obviously animals arnt people but if they are trained as well as they should be if they want to be in public then the theory still stands..

end of the day the older man deserves one hell of a ticket for having the dog off a leash.. and the owner of the pitty should consider trainer the next dog a little more extensively.. if it cant handle being in public then it shouldnt be.

[fliptuner]

but dogs /= people

When my rottie was in the process of being trained and overly friendly (could be mistaken for aggression to those unfamiliar with dogs), I always made a point to nudge her over, around kids. If we were on a sidewalk, I'd actually get completely off, so people could pass with lots of room. Most parents understood or I'd tell the parents she was still training. Worst case, if a kid came running, I'd nudge the kid away with my free leg. Dogs are different though. If they're free, they can come from all angles and shit can happen in an instant.

My point is, if the situation is as described in the PB owners post, I don't think she or the dog is to blame.

[snails]

Originally Posted by ICE BOY

but dogs /= people

When my rottie was in the process of being trained and overly friendly (could be mistaken for aggression to those unfamiliar with dogs), I always made a point to nudge her over around kids.

im fully aware they arnt, i even said they arnt..

but when you own something dangerous.. a car or even something like a gun there are rules and regulations in place that these things be the safest possible and be in hands capable of handling them.. of course there are cases of people not knowing how to drive or people shooting up schools.. but an untrained dog with a negligent owner is no better..

so yes im worried when i walk by a large dog and its owner on the street, i dont know if its been trained, how it is treated, how the owner will react to the dog getting out of control.. way to many variables for me. sure there are great dog owners and great dogs. but we all know that there are many dogs and owners not fit for society

[NNT]

Originally Posted by Big Earl

im sure everyone of you will stab a pitbull and kill it, if it bit doge.




I bring this to everyones attention as I do not think that as a whole, people have seen what a pitbull can and will do. I caution you, this is very graphic.

Spoiler!

Geez, it's not the breed, any dog over 50lb can do such a damage. its the human who let the dog do such a thing.

[fliptuner]

I edited my post.

It's my opinion that the PB owner did enough to ensure the safety of others on the trail but there are instances, like other people's negligence, that can't be put on her.

[fliptuner]

Watching this on the news right now and no mention of if the pug was off leash but still condemning the pit.......

[snails]

Originally Posted by ICE BOY

I edited my post.

It's my opinion that the PB owner did enough to ensure the safety of others on the trail but there are instances, like other people's negligence, that can't be put on her.

not really enough... it still had an animal in its mouth.. if you dont have full control i dont think the dog she be in public.. kinda the same how if a car accident occurs because of lack of maintenance done to the vehicle that caused a failure, the owner/operator of that vehicle will be found at fault.

[NNT]

Originally Posted by snails

im fully aware they arnt, i even said they arnt..

but when you own something dangerous.. a car or even something like a gun there are rules and regulations in place that these things be the safest possible and be in hands capable of handling them.. of course there are cases of people not knowing how to drive or people shooting up schools.. but an untrained dog with a negligent owner is no better..

so yes im worried when i walk by a large dog and its owner on the street, i dont know if its been trained, how it is treated, how the owner will react to the dog getting out of control.. way to many variables for me. sure there are great dog owners and great dogs. but we all know that there are many dogs and owners not fit for society

Understand your concern but you cant judge a dog by its size/breed. a smaller dog can do as much damage if not trained. Home depot used to be dog allowed but not anymore after their employee got bitten in store which need rush to hospital and need a nose surgery about 2 years ago.
the dog? a shih tzu in the shopping cart, one of the dog that no one would predict doing an attack at all. now shell we ban all Shih Tzu?

[melloman]

Blame should be put both ways to an extent.

This has nothing to do with the dog breed. It is a case of training.

Regardless of whether the pug was on-leash or off-leash, the man should've been able to control his dog. Same goes with the pitbull's owner. If a dog is truly trained well, and understands his superior, he will obey the commands given.

If the pitbull latched onto the pugs neck, then a simply "let go" or "drop" command should've released the pug and the situation would've ended. The pitbull's owner clearly didn't have control of the pitbull and this escalated way too quickly.
I know people are going to say "but the pitbull went to it's instincts and had tunnel vision or something." No. Clearly then it's not WELL trained.

Dependent on the on-leash/off-leash situation, the man should be then be charged against the bylaw. And if it does come out that it was off-leash, he should be charged with animal cruelty.

[blagh]

some dogs are just aggressive towards other dogs regardless of how friendly they are towards humans.

[GS8]

You need to understand a dog's psychology. Not every breed will yield the same traits. Some dogs are older breeds than others and will display primitive traits.

The bottom line is the truly dangerous dogs (spaniels, chows, dachshunds etc.) are the ones most sought after simply based on appearance or through the media (movies, cartoons).

Naivety and ignorance is what gets people hurt and dogs killed.

Some people are just obsessed with looks alone but a dog is not a car or a watch.