Salmon Fishing

[GodZilla]

So there is a lot of talk on the news that they sockeye fishing is starting early this year. And there is going to be lots of fish unlike the last few years.

Does anyone know when they boats at Steveston will be selling salmon to the public from the dock? Or where I could find out from?

All this salmon talk is making me hungry for fish.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

[murd0c]

When the commerical season starts thats when they will be selling it at the docks. Until more word comes out you will have to wait

[godwin]

The boats are already selling it is roughly $7-8/lb whole fish is $25? the boats are not selling fish from Fraser though..

Right now on fraser you can catch coho

[MG1]

Focus on: Fraser River Sockeye, 2014 | Fisheries and Oceans Canada, Pacific Region

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm

Natives are selling fish as we speak. I used to get it from them @ $10 - $15 per fish. I don't anymore, because nothing is regulated. I now get it from commercial fishermen when they come back from an opening. BTW, getting fish from Steveston is very expensive. Need to get your fish from fishermen who dock at Sapperton or along the Fraser in and around the Port Mann up to Langley on both sides of the river.

I'm pretty sure a few revsceners will be selling their catch soon. Again, look for the openings.

As for native fish, just drive down to Musqueam Reserve and you'll see them selling fish in their driveways. Just be discrete........ and remember, you're on their land. Nuff said.

[Culverin]

Originally Posted by MG1

Natives are selling fish as we speak. I used to get it from them @ $10 - $15 per fish. I don't anymore, because nothing is regulated.

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As for native fish, just drive down to Musqueam Reserve and you'll see them selling fish in their driveways. Just be discrete........ and remember, you're on their land. Nuff said.

If you would be so kind to school me on this subject...

Can you elaborate on the why you don't anymore?
What's the downside of it not being regulated? Health and safety reasons?

I presume the reason the natives can fish now because treaty terms?
And discrete because they are selling under the table?

[godwin]

Well it is illegal for non natives to buy native fish.. DFO sometimes have officers to catch you when you head out of the reserve and that's a fine and record.. is it worth it? I think it outsiders buying their catch makes their governance messy, we as outsiders are not helping things.

Native can fish whenever they want.. it is not treaty.. it is their right. Supreme court said so, so we have to live with it.

I think MG1 is referring to Mary Hill Bypass/ Argue street, also underneath Coquitlam River Bridge (there is a pub there you can wait). You need to scout and get the fisherman's phone numbers. Make their time worthwhile though, don't expect to buy just 1 or 2 fish. and for F's sake be prepared.. cash, bring your own garbage bags, ice and all that. But I will not try to give away all MG1's secrets.. oh his main secret: he is retired and he has plenty of time. Usually when the fisherman comes to dock most people are still at work.

Originally Posted by Culverin

If you would be so kind to school me on this subject...

Can you elaborate on the why you don't anymore?
What's the downside of it not being regulated? Health and safety reasons?

I presume the reason the natives can fish now because treaty terms?
And discrete because they are selling under the table?

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by Culverin

I presume the reason the natives can fish now because treaty terms?
And discrete because they are selling under the table?

Close. It is an aboriginal right rather than a treaty right. In recognition of the occupation of North America by aboriginal peoples prior to the arrival of Europeans, the Constitution Act, 1982 "recognizes" "existing" aboriginal rights in Canada. Aboriginal rights are defined as an element of a practice, custom or tradition integral to the distinctive culture of the aboriginal group claiming the right that existed prior to the arrival of Europeans. The Supreme Court ruled in R. v. Sparrow the Musqueam people have a right to fish, particularly for food and ceremonial purposes. The important point is the Supreme Court ruled in R. v. Van Der Peet the aboriginal right to fish for food and ceremonial purposes does not include the right to sell fish because it has not been recognized as a practice that existed prior to the arrival of Europeans. This ruling involved two dissenting opinions and is still of serious contention. Of note, it involved the Sto:lo people of the Fraser Valley. The Department of Fisheries and Oceans therefore issues food fishing licenses to aboriginal people, including the Musqueam. The DFO has gone on to negotiate the right to sell fish caught under food fishing licences with select aboriginal bands, but this does not include the Musqueam. The sale of fish by the them is therefore illegal and that's why they're discrete.

On a personal level, I find the evidence in support of the right to sell fish compelling. I have a bias, however.

Originally Posted by godwin

Native can fish whenever they want.. it is not treaty.. it is their right. Supreme court said so, so we have to live with it.

Neary. The Supreme Court ruled the DFO can interject on conservation issues in R. v. Sparrow, which considered the aboriginal use of a banned net design.

[elwell]

You will just encourage the natives to over fish everything if you buy from them....

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by elwell

You will just encourage the natives to over fish everything if you buy from them....

Because non natives would never think of doing such a thing

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by elwell

You will just encourage the natives to over fish everything if you buy from them....

They're no going to go out and overifsh because you're buying from them because the fishery doesn't work that way. Food fishing licenses have limits. In this respect they're no different than normal commercial or recreational fishing licenses.Aboriginal people aso were successful in managing the fishery for centuries on their own......

[GodZilla]

They mentioned on the news that the fish would be sold at any commercial dock up the Fraser. What would be the closest near Brentwood / Lougheed Mall.?

[MG1]

Originally Posted by GodZilla

They mentioned on the news that the fish would be sold at any commercial dock up the Fraser. What would be the closest near Brentwood / Lougheed Mall.?

Sapperton landing in New West. Half a dozen fishermen are usually there after an opening. I usually wait for the second opening.

For old time street racers who have been to River Road in Langley, there are a couple of docks where we used to race. I'm sure people will remember where that was......... on the way to 264th.

Remember to be cool and be prepared. Show up with strong garbage bags and totes. If you're lucky enough and the fisherman take a liking to you, they may even prep the fish for a reasonable price. Also, remember that if you are going to freeze the fish, to leave it as is. Head on guts in untouched except for a good washing to get the slime off.

If you are using salmon for sashimi, you need to freeze it before consuming. There's nothing like wild sockeye salmon for sashimi. That farmed Atlantic Salmon is gross. Do a side by side taste test. I guarantee you will never have farmed salmon again.

[godwin]

It is $3/lb today

Originally Posted by MG1

Sapperton landing in New West. Half a dozen fishermen are usually there after an opening. I usually wait for the second opening.

For old time street racers who have been to River Road in Langley, there are a couple of docks where we used to race. I'm sure people will remember where that was......... on the way to 264th.

Remember to be cool and be prepared. Show up with strong garbage bags and totes. If you're lucky enough and the fisherman take a liking to you, they may even prep the fish for a reasonable price. Also, remember that if you are going to freeze the fish, to leave it as is. Head on guts in untouched except for a good washing to get the slime off.

If you are using salmon for sashimi, you need to freeze it before consuming. There's nothing like wild sockeye salmon for sashimi. That farmed Atlantic Salmon is gross. Do a side by side taste test. I guarantee you will never have farmed salmon again.

[MG1]

That's why I wait till second or even third opening on seasons such as this. Prices will drop.

Taking a bit of a chance, but the amount of fish that have made it up make me think this is just the beginning. Temperature of water so important.

[HonestTea]

Originally Posted by MG1

That's why I wait till second or even third opening on seasons such as this. Prices will drop.

Taking a bit of a chance, but the amount of fish that have made it up make me think this is just the beginning. Temperature of water so important.

What would be a "good" price for it?

[MG1]

Originally Posted by HonestTea

What would be a "good" price for it?

Ten bucks a fish or fifteen for big ones. Average 4 to 5 pounds 7 plus for big ones. Fraser River sockeye don't get as big as those that spawn in other rivers and regions. Price will also depend on how much the fishermen get from the canneries and fishing companies. Now that Jimmy owns most of the processing plants in these parts, it may not be much, especially when there's so much fish out there. That's why the fishermen are so eager to sell to the public. Whatever you do avoid places like Steveston and Granville Island. You'll be paying a premium. I'll phone my fisherman buddy and see what's the scoop. Will ask average size of catch this time around. I heard sizes of fish are larger than normal. Like the old days when my father was a commercial fisherman. He fished for nearly 60 years.
For BC Packers when they were still around. Biggest fishing company on the West Coast back then. He noticed fish sizes declining over the years back then.

[MG1]

Just called my buddy. There will be an opening next week. Fish are big. Some up to 8 pounds or more. I'll ask him to save me the big ones. Also want red springs. They're better than sockeye for certain things. Pinks are not great for anything except fish cakes. BTW, my wife makes the best salmon fish cakes in the world. Even the hard core natives I used to work with tell me it's the best they've ever had, hands down.

[saucywoman]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

They're no going to go out and overifsh because you're buying from them because the fishery doesn't work that way. Food fishing licenses have limits. In this respect they're no different than normal commercial or recreational fishing licenses.Aboriginal people aso were successful in managing the fishery for centuries on their own......

I don't know about how the Natural Resources Departments down here work, but in Kamloops for big catches, my old department would use seine/ drag nets from their boats to gather fish for the community fishing. They worked closely with the local fisheries and IF they wanted to sell their catch it wouldn't be possible due to the regulations in place. I think they're the only ones using these methods as it would most likely draw suspicions if individuals are seen using these same methods, plus you need a decent sized boat for this operation and to be honest not a lot of indians have the money to afford the sized boats needed for this. I assume these guys selling are using dip nets for their catches, in addition to rods so it would take longer for them to get a substantial amount of fish.?

With people buying from some of the Indians I don't feel there's any way this would amount to them overfishing as these individuals would eventually be watched by the Natural Resources department and/or DFO if they start bringing in too big of hauls. Indians don't want to lose these "privileges" the Government afforded them so if they're selling, it's not going to be at the huge magnitude to "overfishing"; they're also going to somewhat be selective as to who they sell to. Not just anyone can start showing up and buying fish.


this is the time I miss living in Kamloops and getting 1 or 2 free salmons I need to find a hookup down here for that and game meats :|

[MG1]

Originally Posted by saucywoman

I need to find a hookup down here for that and game meats :|

Say no more...............I'm your man, sweetie.

[saucywoman]

Originally Posted by MG1

Say no more...............I'm your man, sweetie.

lol. I meant for the free fish and game meats

but I guess IF I HAVE to pay for it; you're my man

[MG1]

Originally Posted by saucywoman

lol. I meant for the free fish and game meats

but I guess IF I HAVE to pay for it; you're my man

I was thinking free fish......... game meats, that's ICE_BOYs department.

[saucywoman]

if his game meet is anything like his sausages then no thanks

mmmm salmon

[godwin]

Not a bad sockeye haul, but frustratingly short fishing window: Gillnetters | News1130

Not a bad sockeye haul, but frustratingly short fishing window: Gillnetters

Martin MacMahon August 12, 2014 11:55 am

CHILLIWACK (NEWS1130) – It was a reasonable haul during yesterday’s commercial sockeye opening on the Fraser River, but the time limit is irritating, according to local fishermen.

It wasn’t the largest haul in recent memory, according to Mike Forrest with the Area E Gillnetters Association.

“In 2010, we had a three-hour fishery that was probably twice or three times as good as what this was,” says Forrest. “The indication to us in the fishing community is that the volume of fish that was there in 2010 is certainly not there now.”

He says he managed to catch 191 sockeye yesterday during the three-hour opening, but it wasn’t able to hit his full quota.

“We would have doubled our catch, probably, if we’d had another hour or two of fishing, and there’s always this problem of getting enough time in.”

Fisheries and Oceans Canada predicts this year’s Fraser River sockeye run could see as many as 23 million salmon.

[MG1]

3 hour opening is better than nothing. DFO has its reasons. They're usually off the mark, but I think they're just being careful. Besides, it's only the first opening. Area E fishermen are traditionally a frustrated bunch (dare I say whiners). Actually, most commercial fishermen are a bitter bunch. My father fished on the West Coast most of the time with Uculet/Spring Cove/Tofino being his favourite places. With a small vessel you took your chances for the season. You carried with you whatever types of net you felt would yield the best results and went on a long journey. When he used to fish in the Charlottes, he'd be gone for nearly five months. The fishermen who fish area E are lucky. They are close to home. Another thing, my father only had a small 45 footer. Slow boat to boot. His boat could convert from gillnet to trolling vessel. I've been out with him a few times when I was a wee little lad. I would only go with him when there was a food opening at the mouth of the Fraser. I could see why he loved being a fisherman. Fresh ocean breeze and being your own boss. Honestly, I have no idea how he ever survived that long. These were the days where only the big vessels had radar and electronic devices. All my dad had was experience and a sixth sense. He knew a storm was coming before any meteorologist could figure it out.

[GodZilla]

MG1 do you fish as well did you learn from your dad?
Call me silly but I always like hearing stories about someones parents, it nice to hear that your dad enjoyed what he did.
Feel free to PM any good spots to by sockeye on the up and up.