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...former US Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul in which he says Washington is “hiding” the truth about the downing of the Malaysia Airlines MH17.
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"The US government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a buck anti-aircraft missile."
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The US may be suppressing satellite images which implicate the Kiev regime in last month’s downing of a Malaysian airliner over eastern Ukraine, according to an American political commentator.
Professor James Petras, who has written several books on the Latin America and Middle East, made the remarks in a phone interview with Press TV on Saturday, commenting on a statement by former US Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul in which he says Washington is “hiding” the truth about the downing of the Malaysia Airlines MH17.
On July 17, the Boeing 777-200 passenger plane crashed in Ukraine’s conflict zone, killing all 298 people aboard. According to US intelligence and military officials, the plane was hit by a Russian SA-series missile launched from eastern Ukraine.
“... US satellite photographs, which are very extensive, very thorough, probably have images that go contrary to its public policies and with its support for the regime in Kiev. The implications are the US doesn’t want the images to become public because they would discredit anti-Russian campaign that’s going on; it would discredit the government in Kiev, and would perhaps arouse the United Nations to call for a full investigation and demand the US turn over these satellite images,” Petras said.
“Furthermore, I think, the US is well-informed on the issue of the shrapnel that has been discovered in the cabin of the downed plane which suggests that a fighter plane or fighter planes were involved in downing the airliner. That would again point [the] finger to the Kiev regime,” he stated.
“So I think the denial of US imagery is a crucial factor in unraveling this controversy,” Petras noted.
In an article published by Voices of Liberty on Thursday, Ron Paul wrote, "The US government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a buck anti-aircraft missile."
"It’s hard to believe that the US, with all of its spy satellites available for monitoring everything in Ukraine, that precise proof of who did what and when is not available," the former congressman said. “When evidence contradicts our government’s accusations, the evidence is never revealed to the public.”
Professor Petras said, “Ron Paul is in Washington and he’s an elected official. He has access to informants in Washington, including intelligence people that may disagree with [official] policy and find him a useful outlet to get their views expressed. I think he is usually well-informed. He has access to intelligence information. And, I think his making an issue of this is coherent with his general opposition to US militarism and intervention in conflicts overseas.”
"It’s hard to believe that the U.S., with all of its spy satellites available for monitoring everything in Ukraine, that precise proof of who did what and when is not available," the former lawmaker and GOP presidential contender said.
"Too bad we can’t count on our government to just tell us the truth and show us the evidence," Paul added. "I’m convinced that it knows a lot more than it’s telling us."
Professor James Petras, who has written several books on the Latin America and Middle East, made the remarks in a phone interview with Press TV on Saturday, commenting......
“Furthermore, I think, the US is well-informed on the issue of the shrapnel that has been discovered in the cabin of the downed plane which suggests that a fighter plane or fighter planes were involved in downing the airliner. That would again point [the] finger to the Kiev regime,” he stated.
Bullshit. The 'Professor' should stick to writing about 'Latin America and the Middle East' (whatever that means) and not be throwing out blind allegations about military weaponry he obviously has zero clue about. The SA-11 uses a proximity charge and fragmentation warhead just like many air-to-air missiles: that's not conclusive evidence. It's definitely not grounds to make an accusation that the Ukrainian Air Force shot it down.
This guy is taking Ron Paul's statement way out of context and in classic CiC style you're obscuring it even further. It was proven by the US intelligence community that the SAM was fired from inside rebel-controlled territory within the Ukraine quite a while ago. I support a lot of what Ron Paul says but I'm not sure where he's going with his original statement(s). Perhaps he's just upset that the US's focus has shifted to the situations in Israel/Palestine and Iraq without bringing the MH17 issue to a conclusion.
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Bullshit. The 'Professor' should stick to writing about 'Latin America and the Middle East' (whatever that means) and not be throwing out blind allegations about military weaponry he obviously has zero clue about. The SA-11 uses a proximity charge and shrapnel warhead just like many air-to-air missiles: that's not conclusive evidence. It's definitely not grounds to make an accusation that the Ukrainian Air Force shot it down.
This guy is taking Ron Paul's statement way out of context and in classic CiC style you're obscuring it even further. It was proven by the US intelligence community that the SAM was fired from inside rebel-controlled territory within the Ukraine quite a while ago. I support a lot of what Ron Paul says but I'm not sure where he's going with his original statement(s). Perhaps he's just upset that the US's focus has shifted to the situations in Israel/Palestine and Iraq without bringing the MH17 issue to a conclusion.
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B-b-but the ZioAmericans have influence in military intelligence, so it's a false flag, right, RIGHT? Because whatever Chuckles reads is not 100%, not 200%, but 500% fact, this article is completely right. Sorry JD, but thanks to CiC, you've lost the argument already, because remember, he won't address you or your statements directly, unless it serves his cause.
OR for the person with common sense, and MUCH more importantly, critical thinking skills, this article is like Westboro Baptist completely misquoting the Bible to fuel their hateful agenda.
and why the fuck are you making new thread's when you have your own??? I swear you should be stopped from being able to make new threads since you aint nothing but a bullshit wack job!!
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you mean RT and PressTV are the only news source that fits into your conspiracy theories and/or your agenda
Not even. I used a PressTV Youtube video to prove one of my points and he still questioned it.
BTW, CIC... your topic title is misleading. The PressTV articles states:
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The US may be suppressing satellite images which implicate the Kiev regime in last month’s downing of a Malaysian airliner over eastern Ukraine, according to an American political commentator.
Because it's all supposition. Even the original op-ed Ron Paul wrote doesn't state that it's fact; it's merely conjecture, which he admits to.
And even if the US does have clear satellite data on what happened, it's purely reasonable to assume that they're withholding the information because it contains information or technical secrets that they don't want getting out (ie: satellite range, camera capabilities, etc.)
Because it's all supposition. Even the original op-ed Ron Paul wrote doesn't state that it's fact; it's merely conjecture, which he admits to.
You were putting doubt about Ron Paul saying these things... dont spam this thread I dont want members to lose interest in reading pages and pages of garbage as this is turning out to be.
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Originally Posted by Lomac
And even if the US does have clear satellite data on what happened, it's purely reasonable to assume that they're withholding the information because it contains information or technical secrets that they don't want getting out (ie: satellite range, camera capabilities, etc.)
Satellite range? Its no secret that the US is watching the war zone, directing the Ukrainian forces and watching cross border activity with Russia. Camera capabilities... why not reduce the resolution... you're a supposed image specialist as you claimed in the Boston Bombing thread.
There is no rational reason to suppress it other then that they're hiding their terrorist plot.
So why is the US suppressing satellite images?
Where is this proof you speak of?
It's called OPSEC. Those images and their subsequent analysis are seen by people on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know. Just because you're not privy to the proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist
Spoiler!
The ZAF (Zio-Air Force) took down both MH370 and MH17, they also just pooped in your refrigerator. Posting this from a potato via 32 proxies as I'm on the run for treason for exposing this information.
You were putting doubt about Ron Paul saying these things... dont spam this thread I dont want members to lose interest in reading pages and pages of garbage as this is turning out to be.
Uh, what? I was merely agreeing with Sonick's statement about how that Twitter account doesn't actually belong to Ron Paul.
Notice the difference in how it's written? "Questions remain" vs "US hiding truth." The deletion of the word "likely" between "US" and "hiding" goes a long way to discrediting.
Re: Spamming... Yeah, good luck with that. It began with the poorly worded topic title and has continued since.
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Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge
Satellite range? Its no secret that the US is watching the war zone, directing the Ukrainian forces and watching cross border activity with Russia. Camera capabilities... why not reduce the resolution... you're a supposed image specialist as you claimed in the Boston Bombing thread.
There is no rational reason to suppress it other then that they're hiding their terrorist plot.
Why bother trying to explain when you ignore anything presented to you that goes against your views? You claim to promote debate but everything I've seen since your first conspiracy post has plainly denied that fact.
Was 911 an inside job? If your answer is
Yes = I agree
No = I think your brain matter is the size of a midget
I took this screen shot the day I saw it... the propaganda was hitting hard.
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Originally Posted by RRxtar
Dispite CIC's reputation....
...I have a feeling hes right on this one.
Its unfortunate his fuctard-ism precedes him. Im sure somewhere in the mess of conspiracy nonsense he posts is a fair bit of truth.
Funny I dont remember you ever calling me out on any of my posts... I guess you're too smart and an important person to waste your time in disproving my claims.
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