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Old 08-31-2015, 04:34 PM   #26
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Alright then, if I'm so stupid, please explain to me how losing Quebec would hurt Canada financially. This is a legitimate request as from where I sit now that claim appears to be false.



Because there will always be idiots like the ones in this article that don't agree? Quebec just has more of a history so it gets noticed, but I'll bet you there are idiots in every province/territory that want to separate for some daft reason or other (inb4 Yukon separatists make the news).
See my first post about Quebec accounting for 20% of Canada's GDP. Just because it receives transfer payments doesn't mean it's not "pulling it's weight". Equalization payments are to bring provinces up to the same level of the highest revenue generating provinces - more often than not: BC & Alberta. Heck even Ontario received Equalization payments last year, doesn't mean it's no longer the economic engine that drives the entire country.
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wow i thought civic was smarter and not as prone to acting like a crybaby newb (over fails), whats with all the deconstructive flaming? (dont we give out points for that??)

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See my first post about Quebec accounting for 20% of Canada's GDP. Just because it receives transfer payments doesn't mean it's not "pulling it's weight". Equalization payments are to bring provinces up to the same level of the highest revenue generating provinces - more often than not: BC & Alberta. Heck even Ontario received Equalization payments last year, doesn't mean it's no longer the economic engine that drives the entire country.
20% sounds very impressive, but it has the lowest GDP/capita of the major provinces and the 4th lowest of all the provinces and territories. Canada might lose 20% of its GDP (which on its own sounds scary) but we'd also lose 24% of the population, so overall the GDP/capita would actually go up a smidgen. It's not like we'd lose the 20% GDP but keep the same population to support on the remaining 80%, so on its own that's hardly going to hurt.
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wow i thought civic was smarter and not as prone to acting like a crybaby newb (over fails), whats with all the deconstructive flaming? (dont we give out points for that??)

if you guys are going to discuss, then discuss...whats with all the twisted jimmies
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20% sounds very impressive, but it has the lowest GDP/capita of the major provinces and the 4th lowest of all the provinces and territories. Canada might lose 20% of its GDP (which on its own sounds scary) but we'd also lose 24% of the population, so overall the GDP/capita would actually go up a smidgen. It's not like we'd lose the 20% GDP but keep the same population to support on the remaining 80%, so on its own that's hardly going to hurt.
Okay, So I'll cut off my left arm and lose 25% of my ability to function physically, but that's OK, I'll lose about 15% of my total weight, FTW!



But seriously we're arguing in circles here, fact of the matter is no one knows 100% how Quebec separating will affect this country (whether it be full independence or sovereignty association). So while it may be a positive step i terms of National Unity. I'm pretty sure short to medium term Canada will lose out on the world stage. We'd definitely fall out of the G7, if not de jure, then technically speaking.
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The prospect of Quebec separation is not so much about dollars and cents in as much as it's about the psychological impact it would have. Though a lot of people here and out there would welcome secession, any divorce breeds uncertainty which sends negative vibes to investors and companies.

And of course, if Quebec goes, what would stop Alberta or BC from separating? The precedent would be set.
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Okay, So I'll cut off my left arm and lose 25% of my ability to function physically, but that's OK, I'll lose about 15% of my total weight, FTW!
This isn't even close to a correct comparison.

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But seriously we're arguing in circles here, fact of the matter is no one knows 100% how Quebec separating will affect this country (whether it be full independence or sovereignty association). So while it may be a positive step i terms of National Unity. I'm pretty sure short to medium term Canada will lose out on the world stage. We'd definitely fall out of the G7, if not de jure, then technically speaking.
That may all be true, but that wasn't the argument you were making originally.
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This isn't even close to a correct comparison.



That may all be true, but that wasn't the argument you were making originally.
That's exactly the comparison you're making. Quebec generates 20% of GDP, it doesn't take 20% of GDP to cover transfer payments to Quebec.
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That's exactly the comparison you're making. Quebec generates 20% of GDP, it doesn't take 20% of GDP to cover transfer payments to Quebec.
That's not what I said you dunce, you're combining parts two separate statements to make some bastardized sentence.

- Quebec generates 20% of the national GDP
- Quebec has 24% of the national population
- Quebec has the lowest GDP/capita of the major provinces

You seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that we lose the population with the GDP, so while the GDP is lower overall it's also supporting fewer people. By losing Quebec we drop the 20% GDP/24% pop and our GDP/capita goes up by ~5.3%. As a bonus we save all the equalization and Federal support being sent to Quebec.
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That's not what I said you dunce, you're combining parts two separate statements to make some bastardized sentence.

- Quebec generates 20% of the national GDP
- Quebec has 24% of the national population
- Quebec has the lowest GDP/capita of the major provinces

You seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that we lose the population with the GDP, so while the GDP is lower overall it's also supporting fewer people. By losing Quebec we drop the 20% GDP/24% pop and our GDP/capita goes up by ~5.3%. As a bonus we save all the equalization and Federal support being sent to Quebec.
That's some great elementary math you got going there, Dingus.

Except when you take a huge and critical part out of a country's economy it's not so neat and tidy. Provinces aren't self contained entities. There are tons of efficiencies, synergies, economies of scale and logistical matters to take into account. There are also several important federal agencies/crown corps like CN Rail, BDC and the Canadian Space Agency that will need to be relocated. We'll also lose large important multinationals like Bombardier, Molson, and SNC-Lavalin which have offices across the country but are based in Quebec.

Not to mention if Quebec leaves, we are cut off geographically from 4 other provinces.

Fact is, no one from right-wing Reform Party to left leaning NDP has ever run on a platform to antagonize Quebec further or encourage separatism. Why? They're not stupid enough to be responsible for the mess we'll be left with. You think you know better? Like I said, be my guest and run for office on that platform, I think you've already sealed the loony bin vote here on RS.
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That's some great elementary math you got going there, Dingus.

Except when you take a huge and critical part out of a country's economy it's not so neat and tidy.
You're right, it isn't neat and tidy, but it sure as hell isn't just a 20% drop in GDP either. There would be pros and cons to losing Quebec, so stop acting like there wouldn't be any possible upsides to losing the crusty old remains of the legacy left by the world champions of surrendering and eating cheese. And given all those connections you mention, just how well do you think Quebec would survive on its own? My guess would be pretty fucking horribly.

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Exactly what platform are you suggesting? I think the more likely possibility is that nobody gives two shits about the whiney separatists that think Quebec could survive as an independent nation.
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You're right, it isn't neat and tidy, but it sure as hell isn't just a 20% drop in GDP either. There would be pros and cons to losing Quebec, so stop acting like there wouldn't be any possible upsides to losing the crusty old remains of the legacy left by the world champions of surrendering and eating cheese.
Wow, so there it is. Makes perfect sense to me now. Out-dated and misplaced xenophobia and bigotry. You do realize over 20% of the population in Quebec isn't white, and a higher proportion isn't even French.

But then again, what should I expect from someone hailing from "Kel-pwn-a"
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Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico are all geographically separate from the rest of continental US. They don't seem to have a problem, do they?
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So out of curiosity, what does Quebec provide in the way of economy?! We have mining and oil in the Northwest Territories, fisheries, forestry, hydroelectricity in bc. Farming (both field and livestock) in Manitoba/Saskatchewan. Oil and stuff in Alberta. So what does Quebec do?
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Exactly what platform are you suggesting? I think the more likely possibility is that nobody gives two shits about the whiney separatists that think Quebec could survive as an independent nation.

The I don't give a shit about facts as long as it appeals to the masses "Donald Trump" platform.

Go ahead, I don't see you refuting any facts I've stated (In fact you said yourself you agree with most of them, you're just misinterpreting, misdirecting and appealing to ongoing English-French animosities.
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So out of curiosity, what does Quebec provide in the way of economy?! We have mining and oil in the Northwest Territories, fisheries, forestry, hydroelectricity in bc. Farming (both field and livestock) in Manitoba/Saskatchewan. Oil and stuff in Alberta. So what does Quebec do?
I really hate to quote wikipedia, but seriously do I need to do this?
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So out of curiosity, what does Quebec provide in the way of economy?! We have mining and oil in the Northwest Territories, fisheries, forestry, hydroelectricity in bc. Farming (both field and livestock) in Manitoba/Saskatchewan. Oil and stuff in Alberta. So what does Quebec do?
Dude, don't tell me you didn't know that Quebec has like a near complete monopoly on the maple syrup market!

BTW, I hate maple syrup. But Montreal smoke meat on the other hand...
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So out of curiosity, what does Quebec provide in the way of economy?! We have mining and oil in the Northwest Territories, fisheries, forestry, hydroelectricity in bc. Farming (both field and livestock) in Manitoba/Saskatchewan. Oil and stuff in Alberta. So what does Quebec do?
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Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico are all geographically separate from the rest of continental US. They don't seem to have a problem, do they?
Combined they don't represent more than 1% of the entire US population or . They are glorified colonies with Senate and House representation -except in the case of Puerto Rico which it pretty much is a colony.
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