Remember no one wanted that salvage title Py a few years ago. JDM front I think.

A few clean Py are tucked away in Van that rarely see the light of day. A friend has a track rat here and used to post. Still in the garage but hasn’t been driven in 6 yrs or so. Former RS member Amuro Ray

While Real Time racing was dominating on the circuits, car enthusiast was dominating Auto X. If I remember correctly ITR was in D Stock, and it was always fun racing with the Miatas.

times have changed.

when i was selling my PY 8 years ago... no one wanted the yellow.


now they rarely show up.


one more video post!

I asked KChan about the FK8. Apparently with just wheels and tires, it can do a 1:56 at Ridge. Pretty damn impressive.

Does kchan have an fk8 now? I remember the lotus and NSX. Maybe he will see this.

Yeah he’s in a CTR now. Not sure if he kept the other cars. @bicbaws I’d like to know a normal good drivers time at the ridge in a CTR. Not sure if it’s fair to use Kalson as the yardstick lol.

Those things are pretty great though. I tried so hard to get my wife into one instead of the family vehicle we ended up with.

Thanks for everyone for answering my questions. Greatly appreciate it a lot.

I can easily say that ALL of the sports cars/ sport sedans from the 90s-current, are all beyond my full driving capability (As in, I know for sure I can't even drive them to even 60% of their full chassis handling capability)

Because of this, as I get older, I appreciate torque/hp a lot more. Razor sharp handling is awesome to me, but I don't have the opportunity to safely push myself to improve (I don't track my cars) so even though I like the twisties, I err on the side of safety/caution and I don't push my cars to anywhere near the limit on curves.

So I can understand that the ITR is awesome, but I can 200% fully accept I can't come to a driving level to appreciate it's handling capabilities.

go try a nd2 miata

few hundred lbs lighter than the ITR and RWD so fun even at legal speeds and feels right at home in curvy back roads

adequate torque to putt around town and 6000-7500rpm will remind you of high-strung Honda motors

few days ago it was mentioned in the c/d best new powerplants

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ines/?slide=14

^ the ND2 miata is in another price category...

granted it is new VS used (like 20 yr old used)

if you have ND2 money, might as well just get S2K...

plus.. the linear power band for the nd2 maybe a "plus" for daily... but it is nth compared to "VTEC just kick in yo!", to hear the engine changes tone and rev up...

lastly... that 7200rpm - 9000rpm shifts... fuck my NA redlines at 7000 lol... but I guess the ND2 revs to 7500....

that was my point because his comment is about enjoying a vehicle far below the limit so felt high-performance products are more appropriate for his usage

so i suggested to also try something with a ridiculous compression like 13:1/14:1 for torque that allows you to stay NA and the nd2 happens to also rev half decently

think he said he had an na1 and now a lexus v8 so i dont think a mazda is out of budget

if you're mostly after rigidity, loftiest of rev with a dramatic crossover, and a benchmark shifter feel then i agree with you

Where can you push the power of a car in a straight line though? Even the relatively meager power levels of my vehicles can get me into impound territory pretty quickly.

A few S2000 owners that I know who've driven the ND2 consider it to be the better all-around car, but would own an S2k anyways for the engine and shifter. If I had to pick one car to keep, it'd be the S2k.

That said, the ND2 is quite a bit lighter (2300 vs 2800lbs) and while the shifter is maybe 10% worse, I feel like the steering is much better. Day to day, it also seems quieter and has better seats.

With the way S2k prices are... I might just go for an ND2 first as a learner/first short wheelbase RWD car while I save up some more for an S2k.

The ITR is not worth what people are paying for them these days if your comparing it’s performance stats.

What price do you put on the feels it gives you when your driving it hard? Different for each person.

There’s no doubt there’s a lot of hype around it. I thought it was a good 30k car in 2001. I don’t think it’s a good car for 30k in 2020.

Well said. I am paying for the feels and low cost ownership.

I felt strange when my $36k 97 Porsche 911 C4S went to up to $72k. I thought wtf this car is not worth that much. I sold it and took the money. Now it’s closer to $85k CAD and well into 6 figures for clean ones.

Collector pricing is different ball game.

It’s all about the highschool nostalgia. The car you wished you could have owned.

Although my RS is worthless now I hope in 20 years it will also be one of those cars

It would be a interesting battle between the ITR dinosaur vs 30 K new cars like the BRZ , FRS, Focus ST, Miata.

At autox I battle my friends stock BRZ, Focus St, Fiesta ST. It’s a blast and pretty even.

dont have enough seat time yet in my ap1 but i do believe the f20c and its shifter is honda at the top of its game after a storied f1 run with mclaren and building several Type Rs. i only have it because fanboy but honestly there wont be anything like it again and it's pretty hardcore short of requiring porsche GT income bracket or lotus/ariel/radical levels of insanity

however, there's something to be said about building a bespoke rwd 2-seater in-house that meets current emission & crash standards AND still be lighter than the carbon & manual steering 4C-- climb under one to find a work of art and wonder how they did it for only 25k USD

it's a tough choice: i think these waning passion projects need support to show they're still a demand for just pure whimisical fun that can be enjoyed without helmet and unlike the s2000 that had only one generation run..because if there's even a future model it'll probably be hybrid/electric, but at the same time securing a s2000 before prices really run away isn't a bad idea either

I find that pretty amazing when it can still compete with newer cars. Shows how far ahead the ITR was back in the day. Only video I found was on YouTube by autoguide comparing a 98ITR to a 2013 Civic Si hatch on the track. Just replaced those 20-25 yr old suspension bushings with some new oem ones (if they still make) and check your springs and shock and you are good to go.

They hype comes from pedigree. I take the miata for example, fun to drive, well balanced, great experience, but it will never be special like an ITR because it all come down to pedigree.

They always referred to the 90’s as the golden era for Honda. They were on top of the game in that time. The ITR represents the pinnacle of that era for fwd sport compact segment. It was a factory homologation special. When it started racing it DOMINATED the touring car series it competed in from 97-01 except for 1999 because it wasn’t sold in that year. The closest competition were rwd platform E36 BMW’s which was pretty amazing for the time .

Even for today’s standards it still punches above it weight class based on the fact that you can extract 90% of the performance 90% of the time and you can do it none stop for 20min sessions at a time with the operating cost of a civic.

It’s all about the je ne sais quoi

bone stock car does well on lap days

lots of guys doing lapping on crazy hot days with their stock cooling ITRs...

and the tires / brakes give out long before the car gives out. its really amazing! newer modern stuff require cool down laps after a few hot laps... ITR just keeps going and going until the driver gets too tired!

Not sure this is the right place to ask but i find it the most fitting place to ask from an ITR owner to another. Looking for some 15inch rims for my 2000 ITR. Anyone here got a set laying around and wanting to sell?

Are you in the whatsapp group chat?


01 ITR K swapped. Rupert?

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rch...124082787.html

Appreciate your reply.

I am not aware of the whatsapp group chat. what is it and how can i get get on this?

thanks

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