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Old 04-03-2018, 09:37 PM   #26
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Speaking of the autoshow, I talked to one of the charging station vendors, and he told me that with the combination of autoshow discount and government incentives, their basic single outlet home charging station would only come to ~$100 -- not including electrician / installation charges. That is seriously cheap!

If I was still living in my old house where the (attached) garage is just right outside (right on the other side of the wall) of the laundry room, it shoudn't be difficult to tap into the 220V wiring that is already there, and voilą~! I could have started EV shopping.
Any idea what's the ballpart for installation charges?
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Any idea what's the ballpart for installation charges?
Sorry, I wouldn't know, but I suspect those who are in trades would have a much better idea than I would.
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Install should not be that much just depends how far the panel is.
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never talked about hybrids before. Might get one... is it really worth it in the long run? Looking the hyundai sonata hybrid, anyone got experience with these or any other hybrids in particular?
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Personally, I think the current crop of mainstream hybrids are not worth my while, but I'd openly admit that I am biased against them.

We have a Prius in the family, and both the power delivery and driving experience has to be one of the worst I have ever experienced in a 4 wheeled vehicle. The car has a mind of its own when it comes to how much power it will give you, and it is frustrating when the ECU won't give you full power just because it thinks it's a bad idea to do so. The car also handles like a pig, with the rear beam axle literally feel like it is dragging its feet around the whole time. I get that this is a Prius, and its target audience probably doesn't give a crap about these 2 things. But hey, I told you I'm biased.

Also, I think a hybrid without any sort of plug-in capability is a load of bullcrap. The biggest savings are supposed to come from the electric motors, but if I can't manually top up the juice, it means I can't control the amount of savings I get from the car, so why bother getting one in the first place?
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i had a first gen hybrid insight 5 speed.
i can achieve 3-4L / 100kms..

it was fairly peppy. but 1 st gen IMA, really paranoid.
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never talked about hybrids before. Might get one... is it really worth it in the long run? Looking the hyundai sonata hybrid, anyone got experience with these or any other hybrids in particular?
same, took the one at Brian Jessel Pre-owned for a spin, its not bad, for a DD it ticks all the right boxes for me at least.

But just talking to friends/family in general, every one says go for the Toyota Prius if you are going the hybrid route at this point in time. I think the rest of the manufactures are still playing the catch up game. For longevity, which is my main reason of getting into one... those 400,000KM Prius taxi gives me great confidence about Prius reliability lolol.
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So, I’m at Empire Fields using the free DC fast charger. Since I have 20 minutes to kill, I decided to post something in this thread. When I purchased the first EV three years ago, the first thing I did was look into getting a Level 2 home charger. After all the research, I narrowed it down to the Clipper Creek charger. I didn’t have 240 at the back of the house, so I asked around to see what having one installed would cost. I was totally prepared to spend some money for it and wanted it done right. I asked Frip if he knew someone. You know he knows everyone, right? Anyway, I got this company (one of Frips friends works for them) to do the installation. So, long story short, the original panel in the house only had a few empty slots left for breakers, so electrician had to install another panel next to it. They then moved some of the breakers over to the new panel and then branched out to an outdoor conduit that ran to the back of the house where they installed another breaker panel in the garage. I’m so glad I went this route. Eventually, I was thinking electric cars would be very popular. I now have three 240 volt oulets in the garage. One outside between the two garage doors and two inside. Damn, I can hook up 240 heaters inside the garage and plug in a welder, ffs. Totally worth it. I also plan to run power to the covered driveway for lights and stuff. Anyway, the car is now charged. Em Gee Juan out!
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Just bought my parents a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid... it's not bad, supposed to get 4L/100km. Not my type of car but it was decent. Drives like a normal car because it has an actual 6 speed transmission. No CVT... All in was about $30k with discounts.

If I was to buy a hybrid for myself, probably would go with the Q50 hybrid. It at least doesn't go like a snail...
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My pops has a RX400h (2009) and its been bullet proof so far. Only thing that went was a ABS actuator pump that was covered by warranty. The hybrid drive train has been stout and has over 200,000kms on it without missing a beat.

He's running premium on it as suggested (only did that starting last year due to engine knocking) but he used to just throw regular in it cuz he's a cheap fuck. got a reliable 10/100km in the city and roughly 8-9/100km on highway. I drove it all the way down to LA a few years back and it truly is an amazing ride. Plush, comfortable, and great gas mileage. His RX even has a friggin TV in the back and you can fold the seats comfortably into a bed.

Granted this is a RX300, but the 400 does the same thing.
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What did you get? You can get into one now pretty reasonable, used Leafs are flooding market.

Personally, I'm interested in the best plug in hybrid. Reduce range anxiety. Love the Audi A3 etron but $$$$$.
My first EV, a 2016 Smart for Two electric Drive, cost me a grand total of $20, 000.00. Taxes, everything in. Got $5000.00 rebate from government and Mercedes matched it with a further $5000.00. I thought it was a pretty good deal. My son needed to drive, so we got him the little EV. Hey, if you can't parallel park that little thing, you shouldn't be driving, gulolol. It's his car now. Man that thing is quick. 0-60 km/h in 4.7 seconds. Uphill not many cars can keep up. It is speed limited to 138 km/h, though.

My second EV, the one I'm driving now cost a little more. I scrapped my wife's old MPV van and got $6000.00 for it, lol. I would have got maybe 500 bucks at the most for it. It was leaking oil, had engine light go on and off more often than a Surrey Ho gets taken out. It was just nasty. It wasn't insured for about 6 months, but I got the scrap-it folks to make an exception. My wife passed away over two years ago and I just let the insurance run out. We had the vehicle since new, so with proof of insurance since day one, they approved the grant. It wasn't like I picked up a vehicle from a scrap yard.........

With the scrap it and the CEV for BC rebate, I got $11,000.00. Mitsubishi had a promo for another $3,000.00 since the model was being discontinued. So for a total of under $21,000.00 including pdi, freight, taxes, replacement insurance, etc. it was a done deal. The iMiEV, it's called is a really funky looking vehicle. I got the top of the line model with navi, back up camera, bluetooth, heated seats, remote start, etc, etc. And yes, stalkerazndude, it is black.......... Labrador Black to be precise. I hated the look of the vehicle at first, but it has grown on me. It comes with both level 2 and CHAdeMO (DC fast charge) receptacles. So, for zipping around town, it's great. It totally makes sense for me, a retired, debt free, care free, frugal asian. Plus, I own three other vehicles that are ICE (Internal Combustion Engine).

Most people think EV's are slow things because EV owners don't drive like I do. When you drive with the pedal to the metal, like I do, your range suffers a great deal. That's why EV owners drive like ye olde grannies.

I love the instant torque, no gear changes, and when I put it in "Brake Mode," I can do the one pedal driving thang. Scares the bejesus out of the people behind me as the brake lights don't come on like it does on the BMW i3. Hee hee, hue hue, pew pew.

Anyway, I hope this answers some questions.


I could have traded in all the vehicles and purchased a Tesla, but like someone else in this thread mentioned, I don't have much trust in that company. Plus, not going to be driving around in a $125000.00 car. I'm not like that. A $20000.00 vehicle for getting around is more who I am. I'm like 40 years passed the impress people stage, lol. Well................ maybe.
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When’s the first electric pickup going to come out?
Ford is planning on having a F150 Hybrid for 2020. Rumor has it there will also be a plug in version where the battery in the truck can be used as a power source over and above the current 400w outlet they currently offer for power saws, coolers, etc. That combined with wifi hotspot makes you wonder what the future of camping looks like.

Out of every car I am able to drive I always take a Fusion Hybrid every winter. Average 5.5L/100kms and 6.5L/100kms when it gets colder. Straight up I would start to get strange urges to go get gas because it would feel so weird to go 3+ weeks and not fill up. Current Mustang on the other hand...
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Holy bejeezuz, I got to Empire Fields to charge the EV and nobody’s there. Then I see why. The station is down and there are electricians working at the sub panel. I still had 20kms left so I was about to go home to charge. I decide to talk to the electricians and they tell me the station will be up at 5:00 pm. I’m like okay. Then dude tells me, do you know where the Grandview Hwy Superstore is? I just finished installing a DC Fast Charging Station there. I’m like, “Fuck yeah!” And, it’s FREE!!!!!!!!!!! You have to have a Greenlots Card, which I happen to have. The charging station is right next to the gas station, gulolololololol. I should wave and say “Hi,” to those people who will be paying $2.00/litre soon.

Anyway, thank you electric vehicle gods!!!!!

360 volts at 75 amps? It changes to protect your battery as it fills up. This station seems faster than the one at Empire Fields. It’s been 15 minutes and I’m almost done. I hope they limit the stay here. Sometimes Tesla owners, not all, like to hog charging stations wherever they go. Yes, I’m being an electric vehicle owner, racist. Wait till I own one, gulolol.
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So i was listening to a joe rogan podcast the other day with Adam ferra (sp?) who is a automotive blogger etc and he said that most, if not all charging stations are going to be pay per use in the future? they will have a tap card associated with the specific brand of charger or will just use the tap feature on credit cards?

If so that kind of negates the savings to some extend depending on the charges
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Savings? I charge at Langley Events Centre and it costs me 35 cents a KwH. Last time, I couldn't make the minimum charge of two dollars. The most I've ever spent was when my range was at zero. $3.50.

Same with Eco Dairy in Abbotsford.

I've got all angles covered. Have all three cards. Chargepoint, Flo, and Greenlots.

Then when all fails, there's always home or............ the casino, gulolol.


Empty to full, I pay $3.50 - $4.00 in electricity. How much was a litre of gas again?
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In your case of getting deals on your EV, sure.

If you’re spending 40k+ on a model 3 or could buy a comparable fuel Honda Civic for 20k I’d say it’s debatable whether you’d ever see the value in the EV in that type of scenario.

Not to mention all the work you mentioned in order to get a 240V charging station..you added 2 additional sub panels, what did that cost, 5 grand?
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I sound like it’s all about saving money, but it’s more like zero emissions. This was years ago, but one day, I was behind a diesel truck and the guy purposely revved his engine to create a huge amount of black, sickening exhaust. I was sick for a month and my clothes were ruined. I realized then how much shit we put into the air we breathe. Yeah, I’m more of a tree hugger than I thought, gulolol.

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Not to mention all the work you mentioned in order to get a 240V charging station..you added 2 additional sub panels, what did that cost, 5 grand?
More like 2-1/2. With charger cost, just over three grand. I also got them to install three 240 and two 110 outlets. Since then, I've added two more 110 by myself.

One more thing. I have 240 outlet in the back of the house for an electric stove. I could have had the electrician extend that to the garage and save a shitload of money, but I liked the idea of having a dedicated panel in the garage. And man, it was the best decision ever.......... but then again, it was mentioned in one of my previous posts.
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