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Old Yesterday, 11:30 AM   #7676
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Hands and feet up agree with Hehe. It's not how much throughput but rather how many chargers and how available it is.

On a drive to Alberta for example, you would likely stop at Merritt/Kamloops for lunch and stop at Golden over night (We did that like 15 years ago). There's no chargers IIRC next to McD in Merritt, and staying overnight in Golden, even a 6kw charger would give you at least 50-70kw over night conservatively.

I'm surprised the fast food places hasn't gotten into the charging game. It makes so much sense.
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I'm surprised the fast food places hasn't gotten into the charging game. It makes so much sense.
Isn't the general consensus that it is pretty difficult to make money (or even just break even) from operating EV chargers?

It's just like the Chinese saying that "no one will engage in a money losing business, but someone will engage in a money-making but illegal business".
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Hands and feet up agree with Hehe. It's not how much throughput but rather how many chargers and how available it is.

On a drive to Alberta for example, you would likely stop at Merritt/Kamloops for lunch and stop at Golden over night (We did that like 15 years ago). There's no chargers IIRC next to McD in Merritt, and staying overnight in Golden, even a 6kw charger would give you at least 50-70kw over night conservatively.

I'm surprised the fast food places hasn't gotten into the charging game. It makes so much sense.
Yeah. We have actually had a road trip with both ICE/EV running the same route. We just agreed to meet at the destination, and the difference was about 30min and all the way to Lake Louise.

People gotta eat and pee. If I was by myself and cannonballing somewhere, that might make a more significant difference. As far as IRL driving scenario, the difference is very small other than we'd stop to eat near chargers.
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New chargers in Nanaimo going up next to a Wendy's. In the same plaza you also have a tims and a smittys family restaurant. I don't know what brand chargers they are but they are not tesla. Subway in 23 said it would have new locations with ev chargers, playgrounds and wifi. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnov...d-playgrounds/


Looks like Tesla Volvo Geely and BYD are going to be the fist to enter Canada.

https://cnevpost.com/2026/01/19/chin...lvo-byd-first/
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Hands and feet up agree with Hehe. It's not how much throughput but rather how many chargers and how available it is.

On a drive to Alberta for example, you would likely stop at Merritt/Kamloops for lunch and stop at Golden over night (We did that like 15 years ago). There's no chargers IIRC next to McD in Merritt, and staying overnight in Golden, even a 6kw charger would give you at least 50-70kw over night conservatively.

I'm surprised the fast food places hasn't gotten into the charging game. It makes so much sense.
The US is quickly moving past “is there a charger that works” and into “how fast is it and how much does it cost.” None of the made money so 2 Billion of this funding came from the VW dieselgate settlement.

Coastal corridors (WA/OR/CA + Eastern Seaboard from Boston to DC): density is ~3–4x Vancouver, so availability is rarely the bottleneck. You’re choosing based on speed and price.

Southern states (Texas, NC, etc.): more like Vancouver-level density. Still generally workable, but you feel the gaps sooner, especially outside metros.

Rural US: closer to rural Canada / Alberta cities. Availability is very much still be the constraint, so planning matters.
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Isn't the general consensus that it is pretty difficult to make money (or even just break even) from operating EV chargers?

It's just like the Chinese saying that "no one will engage in a money losing business, but someone will engage in a money-making but illegal business".
I think the chargers are tough to break even with but I would imagine ancillary revenue (people buying food) would help with this though it probably works best when there's several business who chip in for it. I wonder which price point/type of product would be the high revenue next to an EV charger - like if some luxury brand puts a store next to a charger in Hope would it make money just from people stopping to charge? 30 min stop and 1 out of 50 people buy a $1000 handbag vs a McDonald's where 50 out of 50 buy something to eat.
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Outside of superchargers, majority of the stations are next to Walmart and Safeway/Albertsons.
Both of these chains struck a deal with Electrify America who bears ALL of the cost of building and deploying.

Mercedes Benz seems to be the other operator who is going far and wide.
Starbucks struck a deal with them for 100 locations.

EvGo tried to go broad but couldn't make the financials work.
Applegreen is exclusively targeting contracts with gov to deploy at rest stops.
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