Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Yes but vw and Porsche is broke

Yeah, they have that problem now, but that's why they signed the $6 billion dollar deal in tranches that need to be unlocked by Rivian.

Originally Posted by Traum

I'm surprised to hear that the Rivian engineers / software developers aren't able to meet the performance benchmarks. Back when they first demoed their stuff on Audis, it seemed like they were able to pull out some pretty crazy stops to get the Audis working.

When I say performance, I meant sales performance. Like Rivian has to sell this number of vehicles and make that amount of profit, etc. Clearly that isn't happening.

[Manic!]

50% of the cars coming from China have to be below 35k according to the deal.

[is350]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

What each region optimizes for:
- EU protects other pedestrians, cyclists, breathing, etc.
- NA protects Americans and their unbelted, head-on, rollover crashes with pickup trucks on highways

Regulatory approach:
- ECE type rating is performance-based - do whatever you want as long as you don't cause harm. Matrix headlights? Fine, just don't blind anyone. Chinese ADAS? Fine, just store data securely.
- NA FMVSS is prescriptive. Your headlight has two states, your battery vents _this_ way. This is why matrix headlights and Audi wagons didn't make it here.

Crash test difficulty:
- Basic NHTSA is not too hard - adds roof crush, the barriers are rigid, and unbelted test.
- IIHS is the real challenge - small overlap is 7x harder, side impact is 2x harder, and the insurers that fund it will absolutely wanna put Chinese EVs through this to price their risk.

Most car companies design for both, but if your primary market doesn't have a hard crash test, they're not gonna add extra 12 months, 10M in cost, and $1-3k in cost per car to meet US regs.

so how long do you suppose we have to wait before Chinese EVs are allowed in Canada?

[EvoFire]

My guess is at least 2 calendar years away, and that's being generous.

Even if they start work now, it'll be a year to get the changes required and another year to get it all tested and certified, so probably MY2029 in late 2028.

[Badhobz]

i can wait, no new cars are interesting at all. ill wait for my zeekr 009 minivan

[Manic!]

How did vinfast get into Canada and the US so fast?

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Manic!

How did vinfast get into Canada and the US so fast?

If we are using Vinfast as a benchmark, they announced they wish to enter the US market in December of 2019 (I found a report in June 2020), and the first batch of their cars arrived in the US in December of 2022. That's 2.5~3 years for just one model, the VF 8.

I think the 2-year estimation above isn't too out of the line. Chinese companies would have more resources and this isn't during the pandemic, but I'd think they want to sell more than just 2 vehicle models in Canada. Still gotta set up headquarters, at least, before bringing cars over.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by is350

so how long do you suppose we have to wait before Chinese EVs are allowed in Canada?

Originally Posted by EvoFire

My guess is at least 2 calendar years away, and that's being generous.

Even if they start work now, it'll be a year to get the changes required and another year to get it all tested and certified, so probably MY2029 in late 2028.

I'm pretty sure someone has already mentioned it in the thread, but I would expect Tesla to resume bringing their MIC TM3 & TMY to the Canadian market again pretty soon.

I am also seriously hoping for Polestar to re-introduce their PS2 as well. That said, nobody moves nearly as fast as Tesla does, and I am also skeptical whether Polestar would still see a future for the PS2 in Canada. I certainly thik EV buyers would appreciate more affordable options, and the PS2 is noticeably cheaper than the PS3 / 4, in addition to being less buggy as well. At the same time, it is also a noticeably smaller vehicle than the PS3/4, and they have had trouble moving PS2 in the past unless they threw in some massive discounts. (Of course, I am seeing far fewer PS3 despite Polestar offering some fairly meaningful discounts too...)

As for seeing Chinese-branded EVs on our shores, in the foreseeable future, I have absolutely no desire to consider them even if they are available in the Canadian market. Yes, certain brands already have a presence in Europe and Australia, but I think our Canadian climate presents some degree of uniqueness to the long term reliability in vehicles as well. And then there is after sales support. Until I can see a good amount of reliability and dependability from Chinese cars on Canadian soil, I am not going to consider them at all.

[JDMDreams]

Doesn't one of the ev vans have the same chassis as Volvo ev? Denza or geely?

[tegra7]

460,000kms on this model 3
https://www.facebook.com/share/1CBqK...ibextid=wwXIfr

[JDMDreams]

I think that is pre facelift pre heat pump

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by Manic!

How did vinfast get into Canada and the US so fast?

They designed and crash tested to pass FMVSS.
Hired a bunch of ex-GM guys

[twitchyzero]

would any asian automakers acquire the GM/stellantis plants in ON?

rivian is using the old mitsubishi factory, and tesla had the former toyota one

plot twist: CAMI goes back to suzuki and we get samis and jimnys again

[Manic!]

This site claims we will have Chinese evs coming in this year.

https://cardog.app/blog/chinese-evs-are-coming

[whitev70r]

Will there be eventual requirement of a brick and mortar plant in Canada? I mean I don't think there is a Tesla one in Canada so prob not part of the requirement. But hopefully, the servicing, dealers, sales, of Chinese EV's will bring some jobs into the country.

[supafamous]

LOL, on Acurazine some said this:

It was obvious to anyone who saw the lack of electricians in the USA workforce that EVs had no chance of becoming mainstream until 2035 at the earliest, and that Acura's plan would leave a big hole in their sales right about now while their misguided 2020 strategy hits the market 5 years later.

As the joke goes, if there weren't school shootings every day I wouldn't know that the US had schools.

[GLOW]

didn't elon blow up his entire supercharging infrastructure team a year or 2 ago for whatever reason? i remembering seeing posts of ppl sayin they're lookin for work on linkedin after what sounded like a blind side

[AstulzerRZD]

Yeah they haven’t shipped the v4 superchargers for a reason.
They’re gonna get their shit kicked in by alpitronic, which already released 1000kW charger.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

Yeah they haven’t shipped the v4 superchargers for a reason.
They’re gonna get their shit kicked in by alpitronic, which already released 1000kW charger.

It's never about charging speed where the problem is. Most people can park long enough where even 250kw is sufficient. And really the problem of 1000kw chargers comes down to cost. It's almost cost-prohibitive to have 1000kw-capable power lines going into one place, let alone building a network.

There are 2 solutions now to provide 1mw charger, neither very cost-effective for massive rollout.

On my recent drives up to Whistler, I'd always pick the cheaper charger in Squamish vs. the faster V3.5 charger in Whistler. The difference between 10min vs. 15min isn't the problem. We need more chargers. Speed is never an issue as long as it's decent. Most people are concerned about availability rather than speed.

[twitchyzero]

how does china cope with 1mw chargers when they have so many plugins?

that's gotta be a lot of coal/nuclear power

[AstulzerRZD]

There’s usually a battery involved.

When u look at Electrify America sites, they actually have a couple power walls to swerve 4-8x350kW capable stalls (1.2-2.4 MW total).

All Alpi is doing is moving the 1 MW from the site to the dispenser so that you can serve 1MW to one car if its the only one, or 250kW each if you have a couple plugged in.

It also reduces failures by reducing the number of dispensers and related electronics. You have 1 unit instead of 4.

The new Alpi sites are super reliable, and Electrify America has been really reliable since last 2 years - you will always get a pretty quick charge.

[EvoSpider]

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[Hehe]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

There’s usually a battery involved.

When u look at Electrify America sites, they actually have a couple power walls to swerve 4-8x350kW capable stalls (1.2-2.4 MW total).

All Alpi is doing is moving the 1 MW from the site to the dispenser so that you can serve 1MW to one car if its the only one, or 250kW each if you have a couple plugged in.

It also reduces failures by reducing the number of dispensers and related electronics. You have 1 unit instead of 4.

The new Alpi sites are super reliable, and Electrify America has been really reliable since last 2 years - you will always get a pretty quick charge.

Yeah. Most have a grid-scale battery built into to avoid the connection needed to grid. At around 1M USD a pop, it's not really feasible for most of rural area chargers because you wouldn't even make enough to cover the financing cost of the equipments.

Without a battery, finding a location that would have that much power would be tough. The amount of power for mega chargers is bigger than a light industrial area. The only place I can think of having that much power other than heavy industrial area is a large hospital. So, you'd have to be right next to it for connections to be cheap. Nevertheless, battery is kinda a half-ass way to address poor infrastructure or actually, our powerline design was never meant to support that much power at once.

But going back to my original point, I don't think we need mw chargers. Instead, I'd rather have 150-250kw chargers at every gas station (which is easily achieved with 3phase lines going into most of them). It has less load on the grid and installation cost is much lower than trying to have a 3phase, 480/600v with 1200A+ connection.

[twitchyzero]

we're renting a staria in 2 weeks! diesel people hauler tho

my jaws dropped when i saw one in black few years ago, looked like an alien ship with em big ass windows

[radeonboy]

^I rented a diesel staria a few years ago. It's comically large and was a great road trip car driving from Sydney to Melbourne.

The downside for the large size was that I couldn't get into all parking garages, and it felt like I was driving a fishbowl since Australian-spec Starias didn't have tinted glass at all (including the trunk area).