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Article 13 just passed. Another reason to leave the wonderful EU.

Just saw this in the following BBC article.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47693645
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...erendum-nc.png

Seriously... WTF UK?

^All that poll tells me is that the largest group of those polled still believe in the democratic process and are willing to accept the results and live with the consequences. That is a good thing, although I would prefer that number be closer to 100%. If people are allowed to ignore vote results and hold referendum after referendum until they get the results they are happy with, then you don't have much of a democracy. What happens when they get their results? The opposing group will refuse to recognize the results and go with the original vote results or they will demand yet another referendum. It will go back and forth and nothing will get done.

I beg to differ. The previous Brexit referendum essentially only asked whether Britons wanted to remain or leave the EU, without indicating how or fully understanding what the implications are for UK to leave the EU. May's gov has been hacking away the best they can for the past 3 years, and they have been unable to work out a deal that is acceptble to the UK public.

The current 3 options are exactly as I have said in a previous post:

1) soft Brexit as May has negotiated
2) hard Brexit
3) stay in EU

UK can leave the EU on April 12 (hard Brexit), or they can approve May's soft Brexit and leave on May 22. Or the EU has previously indicated UK is welcomed to stay in the EU. By holding another referendum to choose between these 3 options, UK would be using a democratic process to decide whether they still want to go through with Brexit. A new referendum would also be an easy get-out-of-taking-blame card for the MPs, and thus ease the impasse that is currently happening in Parliament. Whichever option the referendum end up coming out as, they can say "Hey, the people wanted this!" and just go through with it.

The public opinion has changed regard Brexit since the original referendum. Back in 2016, it was 51.89% for Leave, and 48.11% for Remain. Current polls sugests it has shifted into 54% for Remain, and 46% for Leave.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...b_leave-nc.png

A pretty simple analogy is 2 people agreeing to get married. After they've done so, they've spent 3 years bickering and fighting to agree on how they can peacefully live together, and they can't come to an agreement. What you're saying now is -- you agreed to get married 3 yrs ago, so you are bounded by the holy matrimony to stay married now, even when you can't make it work.
FailFish

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8943834)

A pretty simple analogy is 2 people agreeing to get married. After they've done so, they've spent 3 years bickering and fighting to agree on how they can peacefully live together, and they can't come to an agreement. What you're saying now is -- you agreed to get married 3 yrs ago, so you are bounded by the holy matrimony to stay married now, even when you can't make it work.

I don't know, part of me thinks they should have thought of that before they got married...

I think that's the underlying problem here, they voted for Brexit like a couple of drunks meeting each other for the first time and getting married in Vegas.

Woo hoo!.... Wait a minute, what the fuck do we do now?

For the 3rd time ... NO.

MPs reject May's EU withdrawal agreement for the third time
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47752017

MPs reject Theresa May’s EU withdrawal agreement by 344 votes to 286, a majority of 58, throwing UK’s Brexit plans into more confusion.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news...ntl/index.html

Looks like Theresa May is going to resign wonder who is going to fix this mess now.

Long overdue. She should have resigned when her Brexit plan was rejected in parliament the 2nd time around.

At this point, I'd just say let things be. The Britons wanted this mess, and have continued to prove that they are incapable of making a rational decision. If there are dire consequences to be had, hopefully they will at least learn from it.

So they can't decided on a plan for leaving (hard/soft/or whatever) and unless another extension is given, they leave at the end of October without a plan in place?

I do see one of the points that Nigel fellow made ... imagine if being part of NAFTA (which is a trade agreement) Mexico and/or the US started imposing immigration regulations. Uh no ....

Theresa May Quits

Nigel Farage should be the PM. The dude who fucked them and then go "see ya".

The majority of UK residents want out of the EU, this is confirmed by the Brexit referendum and by recent polling showing the Brexit party overtaking the Tories.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...neral-election

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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8948915)

The express is a pro Brexit paper. It's garbage we sell it in our store. No one buys it.

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8948917)

The express is a pro Brexit paper. It's garbage we sell it in our store. No one buys it.

I can see that you are a wise businessman.

I'll offer you The Independent as a source then, an organization that was openly "remain" during the referendum.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8874361.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a7090326.html

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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 8948930)

I can see that you are a wise businessman.

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it's a guaranteed sale and is distributed by the same company that distributes the Globe and Mail.

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8948917)

No one buys it.

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8948936)

it's a guaranteed sale

:considered:

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Originally Posted by punkwax (Post 8948943)

:considered:

https://thelawdictionary.org/guaranteed-sale/

When a manufacturer takes goods back unsold after a time. Refer to consignment sale.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/de...teed-sale.html

*defend democracy :ahwow:

The irony is just too much

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/08...xit-plans/amp/

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LONDON — Crowds are gathering in London and other major British cities to protest Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s suspension of Parliament for part of the period before the Brexit deadline in two months.

Protesters gathered near 10 Downing Street in central London and in Belfast, York and others cities to show determination to block a “no deal” Brexit.

The crowds were galvanized by Johnson’s decision to shutter Parliament for several weeks when a debate about Brexit plans had been expected.

In London, they chanted: “Boris Johnson, shame on you.”

His plan is also being opposed by some in Parliament who plan to introduce legislation this week to try to prevent a disorderly departure from the European Union.

Johnson’s shutdown of Parliament is also being challenged in three separate court cases.