Burnaby was doing the work and therefore they are responsible to locate the utilities.

I agree, the city of Burnaby should have had an inspector there full time overseeing the work.

I agree, the city of Burnaby should have daylighted using a vac truck.


The investigation revealed that nobody form RF Binnie (Burnabys rep) or Cusano had formal ground disturbance training.

Yes I would agree that KMC would be responsible if they hit a Burnaby sewer line, hence why I blame the city of Burnaby for hitting KMC's line.

None of it matters anymore now, Gov of Canada just started the Bombardier-Lavalin Pipeline Company.

Was the work being physically dug out by Burnaby or the contractor?

Well it looks like the Canadian government is nationalizing the pipeline

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politi...line-1.3949663

Theres no transparency in an occupied country like Canada... if its to be "nationalized" its probably so that the tax payer is publicly billed for future spills.

The Trudeau government just spent 4.5 billion of our tax dollars to buy the Trans Mountain pipeline and all of KM's assets in Canada. As per the article, the price tag is lower than KM's stated 7.4 billion project value.

That 2.9 billion difference takes into account construction costs? :considered:

Feds to buy Trans Mountain pipeline, Kinder Morgan Canada's core assets for $4.5B - NEWS 1130

Contractor, AFAIK the City of Burnaby did not have anyone on site, RF Binnie was responsible to act as the representative for the city.

Lol they bought Line 1 and the Project for 4.5B, they will still spend at least another 10B to construct.

It's very hard to rationalize this, tax payers will suffer.

The internal communication that came in this morning:

God I hate politics.

The only people I will blame in this entire fiasco is the NDP government.
It's not the activists, it's not the American corporations funding the activists, it's not the Green Party, because at the end of the day... The NDP are the ones to blame here.

If the NDP didn't cause such a fuss over this, it would've eventually blown over and would not turn out the way it has now.

Instead of the money going to KML, it will now be owned be the government of Canada?

I recall watching on the CBC that the Canadian government did the same thing for an offshore oil rig in the 90s, which paid off handsomely. Other countries have also done the same thing before.

Yeah, dumb move, but I guess they're gambling on the fact that taxpayers are now involved and people would be more............. nah.

Or, there's something more to this.

Fuck that Ratchet, of a woman, Notley. Just because her province has little to no natural assets in the aesthetically pleasing variety, she's all up in arms. She needs to come here and appreciate what we have here. All them albertans have is Lake Louise and Banff. We have an entire coast of natural beauty and all them mountains...............

I'm no tree hugger and I totally understand the need we have for fossil fuels, but once we have a disaster, it's gonna take a long ass time for things to get back to normal.

Then again, we have allowed open pen farm fishing in our waters knowing full well how detrimental it would be to our wild stocks of salmon. Banned in all other countries......... like W - T - F ?????

Anyway, it is what it is.

Etched into my mind are the times I went up and down the west coast of Vancouver Island on my father's commercial fishing boat. The smell of fresh ocean air and the pristine waters. I imagine it's all full of garbage and toxic waste now. Sad.

Originally it wasn't a big deal. The problem came when the NDP government decided to start slow-playing, or what lots of people are calling blocking, the pipelines construction.

The pipeline was approved on every front, then our provincial government changed and they decided they didn't like the prior governments approvals. As the NDP will state, they are not blocking the pipeline, yet are slow-playing it now because the NDP needs to hand out permits as they are requested. Well as anyone who has dealt with a government project knows, they can take as much time as they want and can delay your project as much as they want, because they're the government.

This completely undermines the private sectors processes. KM went through all the legal government channels and got every bit of the project approved. The minute the NDP decided to start to fight this in court, and then black-ball on the permit side, you lose the confidence of investors. Without that confidence, they will take their money elsewhere, and it will take some time to regain that confidence and bring that money back.

Now to answer your original question. How many jobs will this provide short/long term? Well without foreign investors confidence, we won't be building any mega-projects. Which means the energy industry, which staffs tens of thousands of people won't have big projects to work on. It's not just the jobs from this pipeline.. You need to look at the industry as a whole.

It full of Japanese stuff that came from Fukushima. Only on some parts though.

Sometimes I wonder too, if the Albertan government would build a pipeline through Banff, Canmore, Bow river, or North Saskatchewan river. Then they would have an idea of what's at stake, at least a little bit.

TRIPLE IT AND WE CAN SELL ALBERTA WATER

The original pipeline runs right through Jasper Natioanl Park.

They know what’s at stake, they also know that Canada’s landscape has never before been devastated by a catastrophic pipeline failure.

That's true and a good point. I hope that Canada will never see a catastrophic pipeline failure as well.

Burnaby does not require someone on site to babysit them. If they did, we'd need a lot more employees :p

RF Binnie was also digging blind without having a worker guide him from the trench or the side of it while digging. I've operated excavators before and when you snag a rock that you can't see you don't keep jerking at it. You pull back and have it hand exposed by a worker.




Going back to Burnaby locating the utilities, I have to disagree with you there. A contractor who places a 1 call ticket is sent everything in a 60-100page pdf with measurements to everything owned underground. It's not the citys job to go to every job site and babysit and the individual services to each house. It's a free call if you want to see the info that would be given to you.
If it is the citys job then I along with many others should be fired for doing my job wrong for the past almost 15 years. I'll put in a good reference for you to replace me if you'd like. You know our policies and procedures better than I do :p

That's the part that has me the most frustrated. If you had the kind of serious capital to invest in a new project; knowing that in Canada a province can cockblock it because it's politically inconvenient that year even after it was formally approved. Why the hell would you ever want to risk your money here?

Even with the purchase of the pipeline, it would still give people a reason to think twice.

It's not the green party?

You better believe that the Greens are telling the NDP if they didn't fight this project than they can kiss their coalition government goodbye.

smh at the NDP.
Once again they have to destroy what's already in place.
Tolls, msp, an approved pipeline.
This is just wasteful tax paying bureaucracy.

But at the end of the day, it is still the NDP that made the final decision. They lose all the face, because you don't see the Greens at the podiums making these announcements. I can understand that the Greens would be whispering in the ear of the NDP, but there is no gaurentee that if they don't follow Weavers requests that they'd lose their coalition, because then the Greens lose any power they have.

Most of which is completely inaccessible and rarely seen by anyone. While I agree that we should protect the environment, massive sections of the province could be completely obliterated and almost nobody would ever see it. Every panicked about protecting the beauty of Kitimat, but how many people even go to Kitimat?

I have been to Kitimat, and putting tankers through their waters didn't make any sense.

I think this could be quite beneficial for the gov't to nationalize this project. Look at what other countries like China, and Russia are doing with their nationalized resource industries, and we could all share in the profit. Hopefully it's not a pipe dream LUL



Have no fear MG1, the coast is still beautiful.
My wife and I had our honeymoon in Clayoquot Sound, and it was amazing to see the western most coast of Canada.

Kitimat is Terrace's retarded half brother. What an absolute shithole that place is, both in the town and the people who inhabit it.

Well congrats to the NDP andall the protestors. You've now fucked us all.

A project that a private company was going to take care of, and take all the risk on, and provide benefits to all residents and tax money to the government is now just another burden on our government.

And given our government's SHIT record at capital projects, I guarantee they will fuck this shit up so badly that we are all going to bleed before the end of this bullshit.

We're all fucked.

I would suggest it’s the responsibility of the city to select and engage competent contractors - if they did that there would be no need to babysit.

In this case, had the city engaged a more competent contractor, they probably wouldn’t have grenaded the pipeline.

The fact remains that it’s the ground disturbers responsibly not to cause damage to existing utilities, I’m sure we can agree on that seeing as you’re familiar with people constantly violating the city via line strikes.