Trudeau cabinet approves Trans Mountain, Line 3 pipelines, rejects Northern Gateway
 

Surprised no thread on this yet?

Trudeau cabinet approves Trans Mountain, Line 3 pipelines, rejects Northern Gateway - Politics - CBC News

Lulz at all the anti Harper tree huggers who thought he was actually gonna change anything.

At least Harper didn't sound like he was in the pockets of big corp.

Now let's go buy some 30 year old jets and give money to some ducking African country!

With Harper, Northern Gateway would have been approved. I have no doubt.

Kinder Morgan makes more sense, since it doesn't go through extremely sensitive habitat. I believe that the line is a twinning of existing infrastructure. The only impact I see that project having is the increased tanker traffic in Vancouver.

so are we going to see "Trudeau" stickers on our stop signs now? :lawl:

Funny how quickly SJW's switch teams when they feel they are losing. JT is Harper with the good hair. :D

I still don't quite understand what the big deal is with buying the newest, latest jet is?

imagine going to war with 1983 jimmy ... most of us wouldn't even trust it to go get groceries ... anyways ...

I think trudeau made a good compromise with this announcement. This is probably his first bit of real policy he's had to do since becoming pm, and I approve.

If he didn't allow anything, what's happening in the US would be coming to Canada -- the rural/urban divide is already huge ... that would've just made it bigger.

As long as everyone is mad, it's a good decision :P

Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline
https://i.cbc.ca/1.3873696.148046562...n-pipeline.jpg

Line 3, seems like nobody really cares, there is already an existing pipeline there.
https://i.cbc.ca/1.3872817.148046144...620/line-3.jpg

Northern Gateway REJECTED
https://i.cbc.ca/1.3872820.148046141...rn-gateway.jpg

Liberals won't lose any political votes on this decision ... because Conservatives would have approved all three proposed pipelines. Well ... maybe Liberals will lose some to NDP but it's not like they will form gov't.

People need to quit with labelling anyone who isn't conservative an "SJW."
Its such a wannabe tough guy act.
Personally, I can see people switching their opinions of Trudeau considering he ran on a campaign of electoral reform, and no pipelines or increased tanker traffic.

I'm fairly "for" certain pipelines as they actually increase the safety of transport, but they need to come with very strong consequences for spills. Ones that I'm sure won't be put in place. I hope I'm proven wrong if such a thing ever happens.

Very happy to see the northern gateway denied. I think these were the right decisions, and a compromise that should make most people on each side of the environment/economy happy, however Trudeau went full retard with his campaign promises so people on both sides will go so extreme and be angry either way because everyone invested so much into their Facebook statuses that they can't bear to give any ground to what is actually smart.

Why not build a line from Bruderheim to Edmonton and pay royalties to KM to use existing infrastructure?


edit: not familiar with the contents flowing through KM and NG lines.

My guess of why they aren't using existing infrastructure is because it's already being used.

I know it sux for BC but objectively speaking, AB really needed this.

I agree completely with the decision. I just think most liberal supporters (at least the ones that thought they knew what they were doing when they voted) would have leaned towards clean energy and native lands.

Also he IS buying old jets, and the smallest squadron you can possibly buy lol..

The oil is going to be extracted anyway, so it's far better to increase pipeline capacity than to have that oil shipped by rail or truck.

Liberal voter here. Great decision by Trudeau. The KM expansion is much better, environmentally speaking anyway.

The current lines are at, or very close to their capacities. Not only that but some of these pipelines currently in use are aging infrastructure.

That's the part that kills me about the "no" campaigns, they neglect to realize the benefit from replacing older lines with newer lines utilizing the newest construction and QC standards.

But no by all means feel free to block these new lines, meanwhile they will keep pushing more product through the old infrastructure which is held together with chewing gum and duct tape. That sounds like a way better idea...

Believe me if Enbridge didn't have to spend 40 billion dollars, they wouldn't want to, the fact that they recognize the need to twin a line and upgrade it, is proof enough that it's probably a safer option than whatever other methods they would come up with if it gets rejected.

I said it before, and someone else mimicked it above, that fucking bitumen is coming out one way or another, truck, rail, or pipeline, you take your pick.

EDIT: while were at it, those natives in Standing rock will eventually extort enough money out of the Bakken people, and then after that you won't hear another peep about "their sacred land" or the "ancient burial sites". These natives have taken you all for a ride, they don't give a fuck about anything except making sure they get their cut off the top. And these stupid protesters rush to their defense as if they are standing behind someone who truly gives a fuck, hah. If you give them enough money, fuck a pipeline, most of them would be happy to let you just free flow a river of oil through their "ancestors land".

In the wise words of Wu Tang:

"Cash Rules Everything Around Me"

I have not fact checked but:
Vivian Krause?s poignant article ?The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines? is a must read | BOE Report

Because relevant.

Agreed. I align with Liberals because they're the "Center" party. This decision was a good compromise in my opinion as well.

Sounds a bit tinfoil hatty, but its certainly possible, and brilliant if true. Thats some Cobra command type evil shit.

Wrong, gateway is a sacrificial lamb of sorts, approve two and reject one, the one that doesn't matter.

Enbridge doesn't care about the approval of Gateway anymore, the company disbanded the entire project team almost a year ago - the main shipper (and fianancier) was suncor and they couldn't find a customer for the oil.

I absolutely agree with your entire post, and this part especially. It's gonna move, so people can either try to say "no" and have zero input, or try to negotiate and at least have some input into ensuring things are done to a higher standard. Their choice.

I'm sorry but how exactly? The existing pipeline is being twinned, so unless they all live immediately beside the current line I'm not sure how this will really impact them.

Why do we have so many people trying to protest against this pipeline?

I think pipeline is far better than transporting oil by trailer on highway or cargo train.

Unless you live in a fucking yurt and get your news via carrier pigeon what right do you have to protest the pipeline?

Everyone at the stupid protests filming with their iPhones and a backup DSLR wearing fucking arterryx jackets and eating McDonald's

Good think none of those products are petroleum based though

I don't think anyone expected any government to reject the pipelines? That would just be unrealistic! Hell I'm surprised the northern gateway was rejected, that's probably due to low energy prices, or a stepping stone movement, it'll likely get approved under a 'revised' proposal in several years

As for jets, the old ones are still better than that crappy raptor

Gateway is a sacrificial lamb now that it's seen all this opposition. I think they would have still built it if they were given the choice.

When oil prices rise again, they will not have a hard time finding a customer in Asia, which was the original reason why they wanted to build it.

i'll assume you're speaking of the F35 and not the F22, perhaps the greatest plane ever built? lol

expensive, short supply, not equipped with the "latest" (kinda old now) air to air missiles, unable to counter electronic attack

waste o $