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Comparing an alleged pedophile to a drug lord communist that runs over protestors is a pretty bad comparison. The dudes been in power causing Venezuela to be a shit hole for 25+ years when they have one of the largest oil reserves in the world while killing innocent people.
Anyways none of us should have an opinion on this matter other than actual citizens. People protesting free Maduro are fucked in Canada and US. What’s next? All the I stand with Ukraine folks will switch sides and scream free Putin when US takes him out? No one will be complaining if Biden or Harris took out Maduro.
What’s done is done, just laugh if Trump fucks up again behind our computer screens.
Honest question: why is it so hard for you and so many other people spouting the same things to understand that 2 things can be true at the same time?
True: Good that Marduro is out.
Also True: One country deciding they don’t like another country’s leader and abducting him is bad.
Just because someone believes it’s wrong for the USA to do what it did doesn’t mean you agree with dictators and his being in power.
Why is that so hard to understand? It’s like a constant issue with extremists, everything is black and white. A normal person balances their opinion and realizes extremes are unhealthy.
You honestly don’t see a problem with the USA being the judge jury and executioner of the world and all its countries? Seriously? What’s the mental block here?
Comparing an alleged pedophile to a drug lord communist that runs over protestors is a pretty bad comparison. The dudes been in power causing Venezuela to be a shit hole for 25+ years when they have one of the largest oil reserves in the world while killing innocent people.
Alleged? Maybe by the barest and thinnest of margins that one could claim that but the preponderance of evidence says he ABSOLUTELY raped children just like Prince Andrew did. Like Trump, Prince Andrew, by the barest and thinnest of margins, can deny he's a pedophile but there's plenty of evidence there and the actions by Prince Charles to strip him of rank speak volumes.
Not sure if everyone has seen this or heard about it? None of what happened in Venezuela should be a surprise.
Also the US between 1948- 1987 has initiated more than 60 regime changes in countries around the world. None of this is new . It goes beyond Republican/Democrat regimes. This is long term US foreign policy.
Admittedly we have seen a sharp shift since CHeeto came in for round 2 but there is no guarantee that we will get a shift back if the Dems get in next go round ( assuming there is a election). Also if we see the dems come back in its very unlikely we will go back to a tariff regime that is as it was before. If its working whoever it is in power will keep it .If it isn't they may scrap it.
Countries like China etc have 25/50 year foreign policy strategies. the idea that the US doesn't have something similar that goes beyond who is the sitting President is a little naive. Im certainly not a "Deep State truther " etc but this seems to be fairly close to standard operating procedure for the US. Perhaps a little more saying the quiet part out loud etc.
I’ve read quite a few articles on the USA acting against other countries based on protecting the USD and going after countries that don’t transact oil in their currency (Venezuela doing it in rmb) it’s quite conspiracy theory sounding but pretty interesting to read about when all the events are sequenced up jsut within our lifetimes.
If someone is going to be removed from power it should be a joint decision with a variety of input from many different countries and regions, not a decison made by an emotionally stunted, empathy lacking, racist, scamming, lying, pedophile who sexually assaulted women (convicted!)
This is not a man who who should be deciding who is good and who is bad.
In some good news journalist/hacker infiltrated a site called whitedate.net Used an AI chat bot to chat with users for weeks and downloaded all the user data. Then she went to a hacker conference dressed as a pink power ranger, got on stage and deleted the site.
Admittedly we have seen a sharp shift since CHeeto came in for round 2 but there is no guarantee that we will get a shift back if the Dems get in next go round ( assuming there is a election). Also if we see the dems come back in its very unlikely we will go back to a tariff regime that is as it was before. If its working whoever it is in power will keep it .If it isn't they may scrap it.
Countries like China etc have 25/50 year foreign policy strategies. the idea that the US doesn't have something similar that goes beyond who is the sitting President is a little naive. Im certainly not a "Deep State truther " etc but this seems to be fairly close to standard operating procedure for the US. Perhaps a little more saying the quiet part out loud etc.
During Trump's 1st term, he slapped a bunch of tariffs against Chinese goods, and it is entirely true that Biden had kept those tariffs in place during his term. I also agree with you that if the tariffs actually worked, then there is no reason why the next administration, Democrats or GOP, would abolish them.
However, I'd also say the situation with those Chinese tariffs are quite different than the blanket tariffs that Trump has applied. Legality aside -- recall that there is a pending lawsuit against Trump for his broad-based tariffs happening at the Supreme Court soon -- the tariffs are levied against traditional US allies and trade partners. While I can't make too many claims about how they affect Europe, looking at our own examples here in Canada, many of those tariffs are absolutely hurting US economic activities and people's bottom lines. How many US spirits distilleries have gone bankrupt since Trump started slapping his tariffs against us? Are those Russian and Belarusian potash really cheaper than our Canadian potash? Are the aluminum and steel tariffs really making US cars cheaper?
There are still another 3 years to go with this clown show, and that is a pretty long time. But assuming the clown show would end, I'd expect the next POTUS to adopt a shift in policies to make nice with US' former allies and partners, including Canada. I'm sure certain things would rebound by some degree -- travel to the US would definitely increase, but whether it'll return to the levels it was at before Trump #2 is a very big question that cannot be foreseen at this point. Memories last long, and habits are difficult to break once they have been changed.
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The whole world has gone down a road no one can recover from, and it's nothing to do with governments, it's because so much of the general public is so fucking stupid.
Yah i would definitely expect some shifts and i suppose most countries are just trying to weather the storm until we seem some rational actor back in the WH. All that is true about these being illegal from a US point of view ( only congress can issue new taxes).
What i think is more alarming for us ( and greenland ) is the stated foreign policy in the above link. With there actions in europe and the foreign policy statement ( Trump corollary to the Monroe Doctrine as well ) it seems that they will be turning there attention to "securing" the Western hemisphere and retreating from being a ally in Europe. He's been talking for a long time how Nato has been taking advantage of the US in not paying there dues on mutual defense .
I would not be surprised if they annex Greenland ( at the point of a proverbial gun ) . Also they have stated they want control back of the Panama Canal . Legal or not , moral or not I think thats the course we are seeing being set. Whether they blow smoke about humanitarian issues or not I'm not sure it matters. If they really want Greenland I don't think anyone is really going to be able to stop them.
Honest question: why is it so hard for you and so many other people spouting the same things to understand that 2 things can be true at the same time?
True: Good that Marduro is out.
Also True: One country deciding they don’t like another country’s leader and abducting him is bad.
Just because someone believes it’s wrong for the USA to do what it did doesn’t mean you agree with dictators and his being in power.
Why is that so hard to understand? It’s like a constant issue with extremists, everything is black and white. A normal person balances their opinion and realizes extremes are unhealthy.
You honestly don’t see a problem with the USA being the judge jury and executioner of the world and all its countries? Seriously? What’s the mental block here?
I never said it was good that US can do whatever they want. Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m definitely no extremist. Again with direct personal attacks. But the fear mongering definitely exists. Some idiots believe that Canada will be next because Carney is a dictator as well lol.
All this crap about international law is nonsense in the end. Who has military power and nukes can do whatever they want in the end. Do you think North Korea cares about international laws?
Comparing an alleged pedophile to a drug lord communist that runs over protestors is a pretty bad comparison. The dudes been in power causing Venezuela to be a shit hole for 25+ years when they have one of the largest oil reserves in the world while killing innocent people.
Anyways none of us should have an opinion on this matter other than actual citizens. People protesting free Maduro are fucked in Canada and US. What’s next? All the I stand with Ukraine folks will switch sides and scream free Putin when US takes him out? No one will be complaining if Biden or Harris took out Maduro.
What’s done is done, just laugh if Trump fucks up again behind our computer screens.
That's total bullshit, and where would you gather that argument.
If Biden, Obama or any Dem attacked Venezuela in the same manner that Trump did, I'd be absolutely pissed. If anything, more so, since such an act from either of them would be completely unexpected and completely out of character from a foreign policy perspective. Look how much flack Obama received for carrying drone attacks in Yemen? That wouldn't even make the news nowadays, look how far we've fallen.
Trump is bought and paid by the energy sector, and Marco Rubio stands to gain greatly from this whole endeavor as this will ultimately lead to Cuba's collapse (they heavily rely on cheap oil from Venezuela), something he has promised his constituents in Florida for quite some time now.
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LOOK AT ME IM MIKE AND I HAVE A BIG HOG AND I DRINK TEQULA AND WORK OUT AND LISTEN TO CHARLI XCX ON THE BEACH IN BERMUDA
Grow up fuckin Peter Pan and get a good nights rest.
Trump Says U.S. Might Pay Oil Companies To Rebuild Venezuela’s Energy Sector: ‘They’ll Get Reimbursed’
In an interview with NBC News on Monday, Trump stated that the U.S. government may pay oil companies to rebuild Venezuela’s energy industry:
“We have to fix the country first. You can’t have an election. There’s no way the people could even vote,” Trump said about the possibility of a vote in the next month. “No, it’s going to take a period of time. We have — we have to nurse the country back to health.”
Moreover, he said, the U.S. may subsidize an effort by oil companies to rebuild the country’s energy infrastructure — a project he said could take less than 18 months.
“I think we can do it in less time than that, but it’ll be a lot of money,” he said. “A tremendous amount of money will have to be spent and the oil companies will spend it, and then they’ll get reimbursed by us or through revenue.”
Could oil companies actually trust that they'll get reimbursed by the US gov?
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The whole world has gone down a road no one can recover from, and it's nothing to do with governments, it's because so much of the general public is so fucking stupid.
Nope which is why US tax payers will be on the hook.
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Trump's companies are known to not pay up on their financial obligations.
While I am aware of the fact that Trump has a tendency to not have his companies pay up on their financial obligations, I also see a differece between what Trump often does on his own (with his businesses), versus what could happen now, which is the US federal gov being the one to owe the bill.
When it is Trump's own business, paying off his creditors / suppliers would actually mean he needs to pay them with his / his company's own money. As a result, there'd be more incentive for him to avoid paying them as much as possible. But when it is the US gov that is owing these oil companies (for rebuilding that infrastructure work in Venenzuela), it would literally be a gov contract signed between the oil company(ies) and the US fed gov. It is not Trump's owe money, so what does he care about paying them? Furthermore, when it is a (US) gov contract, I just don't see how the US gov could weasel its way out of paying for it. The oil company would sue, and the US gov would lose.
Of course, that would be my logic to look at it. But am I forgetting / overlooking any particular reason on how the US gov would / could weasel out of its contractual responsibility?
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The whole world has gone down a road no one can recover from, and it's nothing to do with governments, it's because so much of the general public is so fucking stupid.
That’s your logical take on this, but when Trump is in charge of the government, all logic goes out the window…
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Trump will have personal deals with the oil companies. US Gov will foot the bill, Trump family will profit. See everything that has already been happening in the last year.
Trump will add the expenses incurred to kidnap Maduro out of Venezuela ... $1B. Oh, I guess that means Venezuela will have to pay that bill with their oil ... so the Venezuelan people don't get the money from their natural resources after all. The wealth just went from the Maduro family to the Trump family.
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